Talk Elections

Lincoln Chafee said he wouldn't vote for Bush. Bob Barr hinted at it.

Dick Lugar? Doug Bereuter? Chuck Hagel? John McCain? Bill Janklow? Tom Campbell? Gary Johnson? John Eisenhower?

I would have to say McCain is voting for Bush based on all the stumping he has done for him.

Yes, I think Bush can count on the loyalty of John McCain.

Dave

Other names?

Think you could probably add Lincoln Chaffee to any possible list...

This is speculation, but I'd think Colin Powell will not vote for the President.

Possible, but I think it's a stretch.

John Eisenhower has already endorsed Kerry so you can add him.

A former Republican governor of Minnesota has also endorsed Kerry as you can see by my post below.

Another Minnesota Republican supporting Kerry is Bush I advisor Ed Stringer.

Please post their addresses as well.

Dick, whose addresses do you want? What do you want them for?

I would like the exact addresses of any Republicans not voting for Bush. Thanks.

There is practically no dissention in the GOP. Just a few old guys that were far-leftist Republicans back in the day... or are still leftist (Chafee).

Democrats, on the other hand...

Hmmm... Care to test this theory?

Why don't you go over to the mock election page? Are there more Dems crossing over for Bush? Or Republicans crossing over for Kerry? Do the Dems or GOP have more people voting minor party?

Umm ... Zell Miller.  That's it.  And let's be honest about Zell, he's crazy.

Bullmoose, Opebo.
Of course Bull already voted against Bush 4 years ago.

I had a thread a long time ago about Democrats who are supporting Bush.  It's lost somewhere in this mess of forums.  If you want to go hunt for it, feel free.  I think it had 5 current politicians who are backing Bush (Miller being on), and other former politicians who are backing Bush.

I trhink all these guys have plegded their loyalty.  Certainly Hagel has.

A similar question: who are the Republicans who will leave the party if Bush wins and Congress remains in Republican hands?  Unfortunately, success tends to breed fragmentation.

...On both sides.  Certainly some Democrats will also leave their party and join us.

Surprised to see Opebo use the red avatar.

Doesn't make Lewis' statement any less true though.

The funny thing about the Senate is that it is far from reflecting the polarization in the country.  The media's theory of Red/Blue states breaks down when you look at the Senate.  Republican senators will win re-election is solid Kerry states and visa-versa.

I think there is a strong probability of a senate party switch in the next two years.  I think the probability of a Republican switching is slightly higher than a Democrat, but we could see both.

The only Democrat I can possibly see switching is Ben Nelson. And I heard odds are he won't since he really hates Hagel and the Nebraska GOP.

Glad to see you. Haven't seen you around in a while.

lol, you're trying to take basically an Internet poll to mean it's fact....

I'm afraid I'm giving up on the GOP for now.  Explained it in the Individual Politics section.

And I would think Snowe and Collins would have a hard time voting for Bush. 

Do I think it's representative of the whole nation? No. It obviously has way more members of the Libs and Constitution Party participating.

Is there any reason to believe the observation I made isn't true? This year more self-ID Republicans will vote Kerry than self-ID Dems will vote Bush.

Yeah. Because real polls show the opposite.

Got a link?

http://rasmussenreports.com/

I don't see it. What's it say?

Great! The next step is have him actively campaign for Kerry, write a book smearing the Republican party, make a big speech at the DNC, etc. etc. etc.

Didn't some name Bluegrass State Republican just endorse Kerry?

Add Brent Scowcroft to the list.

See a list of 'em at the dkosopedia, http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Republicans_for_Kerry_2004

US Senator Marlow Cook (R-KY)

For republicans who aren't voting for Bush. Can I have their addresses and names?

That's former Senator Cook. She hasn't been a Senator since 1974.

Do you know how to use Google?

Charley Reese, conservative columnist/journalist, Orlando Sentinel (1971-2001) -- May 17
Lee Iacocca, former Chrysler Chairman -- June 25
Russell E. Train, EPA chief under Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford -- Jul. '04
Various Republican Business Leaders -- Aug. 5
Gail Slocum, former Republican Mayor of Menlo Park, California -- Sept. '04
Clay Myers, Republican Secretary of State (1967-77) and State Treasurer (1977-84) for Oregon -- Sept. 1
Bill Rutherford, former Treasurer of Oregon and Chair of the Oregon Investment Council -- Sept. 1
George Comstock, Mayor of Portola Valley, California -- Sept. 1
Mike Cobb, former Republican Mayor of Palo Alto, California -- Sept. 8
Pete McCloskey (editorial here), former Republican Representative from California -- Sept. 8
John Eisenhower, son of former Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower -- Sept. 9
Jon Silver, former Republican Mayor of Portola Valley, California -- Sept. 24
John A. Galbraith, former Republican Ohio General Assemblyman -- Sept. 28
David Catania, Republican (now Independent) Councilman from Washington, D.C. -- Sept. 29
Clyde Prestowitz, counselor to Ronald Reagan's Secretary of Commerce -- Oct. 6
Rick Russman, former Republican State Senator from New Hampshire -- Oct. 7
Marshall Wittmann, former communications director and advisor to Arizona Republican Senator John McCain -- Oct. 7
Elmer L. Andersen, former Republican Governor of Minnesota (1961-63) -- Oct. 13
Ballard Morton, son of Thurston Morton, former Republican Senator from Kentucky -- Oct. 14
Anne Morton Kimberly, widow of Roger C.B. Morton, former Republican Representative from Maryland -- Oct. 14
William Milliken, former Republican Governor of Michigan (1969-82) -- Oct. 18
Marlow Cook, former Republican Senator from Kentucky (1968-74) -- Oct. 20
Peter Gillette, former Republican Commissioner of Trade & Economic Development for Minnesota (1991-95) -- Oct. 20

Republicans Who Will Not Vote For George W. Bush


Paul Findley, former Republican Representative from Illinois -- Apr. '04
Richie Robb, mayor of South Charleston, WV (and 2004 WV Republican elector) -- Sep. '04
William Saletan, "liberal Republican" columnist for Slate -- Sept. 1
Andrew Sullivan, conservative columnist, former editor of The New Republic -- Jul. 25
Log Cabin Republicans -- Sept. 8
Lincoln Chafee, Republican Senator from Rhode Island -- Oct. 4
Robert L. Black, retired Republican judge of the Hamilton County Common Pleas Court and the Ohio First District Court of Appeals -- Oct. 13
Bob Barr, former Republican Representative from Georgia (1995-2003) -- Oct. 14

I trust you can find their contact information yourself

Will Saletan? Saletan called Bush 'toast' in August 2000. He's been going on about Bush on Slate for close a year plus now.

Most of these are former office holders.

http://www.bushrelativesforkerry.com/pages/1/index.htm

Bush Relatives for Kerry

(the bi-line is funny)

Because Blood is Thinner than Oil

There's no obvious linking person on the site. I've never heard of any of these people.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/democracy/bush/stories/family.tree/

http://www.ancestry.com/landing/famoustrees/gwbush/bush_tree.htm

http://www.sitepalace.com/bush/index3.htm

Well I can't find it but it's kind of a joke anyway.  As far as I can see the House' are George Herbert Walker Bush's first cousins.  So it is either Prescott Sheldon Bush's or Dorothy (Walker) Bush's brother and sister.

Gary Coleman (of Diff'rent Strokes fame) and CA gubernatorial candidate in the special election of October 2003 is another.

Don't know about the 17 people who voted for him as governor, though.

Most of these are former office holders who I've never heard of.

A few more Republicans against Bush ...

*Paul O'Neill, former Bush Sec of the Treasury

*Richard Clarke, former Terrorism Czar (yes, Clarke is a Republican)

*John DiIulio, former Bush director of the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives

*Kristen Breitweiser, 9/11 widow who was one of the driving forces behind the creation of the 9/11 commission (and she even voted for W in 2000)

*My girlfriend's parents

Actually, a big speech endorsing Kerry at the RNC would have been a thousand percent better. :)

I'm a Republican who won't vote for Bush

That's because you're not yet 18, correct?

Trondheim, do endorsements really matter in your country?  If Angela were to suddenly endorse a socialist, would you give a rat's ass?  Would any German? 

Does all this seem silly to you?  Is the impression among German Leftists that endorsements go a long way in the USA?  I ask because, among other reasons, I do not believe that they do, although they do make for job security for the talking heads.  What are your impressions? 

Yeah :)

http://badnarik.org/newsfromthetrail.php?p=1478

It's been a long time since I've posted in this forum, but I always use this site to look up election info, and thought I could share something here.
I spent the last three months canvassing 5 days a week neighborhoods in and around Seattle, Washington for the DNC.  I talked to thousands of people about politics: democrats, republicans, undecideds.
Every day, I would meet a republican or two who told me that they weren't supporting Bush this year...sometimes they'd say they were supporting Kerry.
These republicans tended to have the following characteristics: 
1.  They were middle-aged
2. They tended to be upper middle class
3. Their biggest concerns were the erosion of America's image around the world and the administration's lack of fiscal discipline.

Younger republicans, esp. those with young children, seemed very supportive of Bush.   Older, very wealthy republicans were the same way.  (my judge of wealth was simply their home and automobiles).  But the middle aged group, perhaps those without kids or with grown up kids, seemed more likely to be critical. 

WOOO!

Barr's voting Libertarian!

I guess he knows a true Republican when he sees one!

Ron Reagan, Jr.  I'm not sure if he'll vote for Kerry.  Every time I see him on TV I am impressed. 

Although I'm not sure where I stand on stem-cell research, I admired him for speaking at the Democratic convention.  Most people in the political class wouldn't have the guts to do something so independently minded.  And the other night on MSNBC he mentioned the April Glaspie diplomatic debacle as a prelude to the 1991 Iraq war, the first person I've ever seen on any pundit show mention this.  Larry Kudlow was shocked and indignant, but too bad. 

Then again, we shouldn't be surprised.  He comes from good stock.  Even his mannerisms are similar to his Dad.  He's certainly more impressive then the son of his father's vice-president.

Oh good, we have a new Democratic operative playing as a Republican.

"new"?

Actually, no.  I've read some of your posts and I agree with just about all of them, particularly in regards to secession and immigration.  I disagree with the Leftist foreign policy advocated by Bush and the neocons.  Someday the Right will wake up.

Ron Reagan Jr. is not and never has been a Republican.  He has been a Democrat, leftist since his days doing pirouette's for the Joffrey.

Ron Reagan Jr. is not and never has been a Republican.  He has been a Democrat, leftist since his days doing pirouette's for the Joffrey.
He is?  Hmm.  That's a shame.  Well, his father started out as a Democrat.

Oh my god - have they been cloning Opebo!?

Do you think Kerry will really solve Iraq when he can't even find a position to settle on.

In TN district 5, the Republican challenger to Rep. Jim Cooper(D) had a letter to the editor in a local paper saying he wouldn't vote for Bush. He thinks Bush has screwed uup just about everything about Iraq and the budget. He has no chance of even doing well against Cooper, but still the letter caught media attention.

Do you think Kerry will really solve Iraq when he can't even find a position to settle on.
I don't know if anyone can make the situation in Iraq better, let alone solve it.  But our imperfect system has given us a choice between these two individuals, from among which I want Kerry.

I hope you're over 26! Or get in shape.

Ron Paul?

Here's another one: Jude Wanniski, one of the most important intellectual architects of supply side economics and an advisor to Reagan.  He explains why at his website.

http://www.wanniski.com/

I hope you're over 26! Or get in shape.

A draft will only come into being if we continue our invasions of Middle Eastern countries.  And if that happens, I will refuse to go, regardless of who is president.

Here are a bunch of Republicans voting for Kerry.
I dare you to watch some of these.
I think they are very well done.

http://www.errolmorris.com/html/election04/election04_main.html

Janklow isn't eligible to vote.  I'm sure he'd vote for Bush if he could :).

I didn't predict this one: Bob Smith. Former Republican US Senator from the Granite State. See http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/102904_smith_letter.pdf

good question.  don't know...

On the one hand, he's been a solidly conservative republican committed to smaller government.  (but then, that's exactly what might make him vote for some rightist candidate)  Here's an exerpt from one of his press releases:

"Ultimately, debt is slavery. Every dollar the federal government borrows makes us less secure as a nation, by making America beholden to interests outside our borders. So when you hear a politician saying America will do “whatever it takes” to fight terrorism or rebuild Iraq or end poverty or provide health care for all, what they really mean is they are willing to sink America even deeper into debt. We’re told that foreign wars and expanded entitlements will somehow make America more secure, but insolvency is hardly the foundation for security. Only when we stop trying to remake the world in our image, and reject the entitlement state at home, will we begin to create a more secure America that is not a financial slave to foreign creditors. "


Hard to imagine how that squares with the current GOP big spenders.  So, will Ron Paul be voting for George Bush?

He also got crushed in a PRIMARY election in 2002 and briefly ran for President as an independent.  No effect from this.

Hey, Bob Smith may be a critical vote if Florida is close.