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Title: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (Law'd)
Post by: MasterJedi on September 21, 2009, 05:37:44 PM
Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009

Pre-amble

The Senate recognises the recent legislative changes that have taken place and the potential effects and opportunities therein.

Section 1.
a. The post of Secretary for Health and Social Affairs is therefore established to be filled in accordance with existing Senate procedure.
b. The Secretary for Health and Social Affairs shall be responsible for the following portfolios; Health, Education, Welfare and Housing and in addition any other briefs conferred upon the Secretary by the President.

Section 2.
a. The post of Secretary of the Treasury is therefore established to be filled in accordance with existing Senate procedure.
b. The Secretary of the Treasury shall be responsible for the following portfolios; Taxation, Social Security, budgetary concerns and in addition any other briefs conferred upon the Secretary by the President.
c. The Secretary of the Treasury shall, with the assistance of the Game Moderator, be required to address the Senate once each session on the state of the economy and public expenditure.

Spon: Sen. Afleitch


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (Debating)
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on September 21, 2009, 05:39:45 PM
Playable positions?


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (Debating)
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on September 21, 2009, 06:18:29 PM
This is America Atlasia; "Preamble" shouldn't have a hyphen.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (Debating)
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 21, 2009, 08:18:32 PM
I think it would be better to roll these two cabinet positions into one; something like a Secretary of the Interior (the European/Canadian definition, not the strange American one) or a Secretary of Internal Affairs (SoIA, keeping with the theme of our cabinet posts).


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (Debating)
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on September 21, 2009, 08:40:00 PM
I think it would be better to roll these two cabinet positions into one; something like a Secretary of the Interior (the European/Canadian definition, not the strange American one) or a Secretary of Internal Affairs (SoIA, keeping with the theme of our cabinet posts).

I concur. Shrinking it and keeping it in line with our other names for certain cabinet posts would make it much simpler. Plus, I don't like the idea of two new "playable" positions anyway.

I offer this as an amendment, basically combining the two positions and their respective obligations:

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Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009

Preamble:

The Senate recognizes the recent legislative changes that have taken place and the potential effects and opportunities therein.

1. The post of Secretary of Internal Affairs (SoIA) is therefore established to be filled in accordance with existing Senate procedure.

2. The Secretary of Internal Affairs shall be responsible for the following portfolios; Health, Education, Welfare, Housing, Taxation, Social Security, budgetary concerns and in addition any other briefs conferred upon the Secretary by the President.

3. The Secretary of Internal Affairs shall, with the assistance of the Game Moderator, be required to address the Senate once each session on the state of the economy and public expenditure.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (Debating)
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on September 21, 2009, 09:56:13 PM
I like Interior better than IA.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (Debating)
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 21, 2009, 10:08:51 PM

I like Secretary of Interior better than Secretary of Internal Affairs but I like SoIA better than SoI. Decisions, decisions.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (Debating)
Post by: Rowan on September 21, 2009, 10:14:01 PM
I find all of this unnecessary.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (Debating)
Post by: Vepres on September 21, 2009, 10:43:25 PM

I like Secretary of Interior better than Secretary of Internal Affairs but I like SoIA better than SoI. Decisions, decisions.

Well, because the US department of interior deals with public lands, it would be best to use a different name to avoid confusion.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (Debating)
Post by: Meeker on September 21, 2009, 11:26:13 PM
SoIA would be the best name.

If we have an SoEA we might as well have one of these as well. They're both basically identical positions in terms of power and role in the game.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (Debating)
Post by: afleitch on September 22, 2009, 03:44:18 AM
Given that their isn't much love for two posts :P. I will accept the amendment as friendly


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (Debating)
Post by: Ebowed on September 22, 2009, 09:32:35 AM

Mmm.  I say good luck filling this position and then having that person make a useful post out of it...


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (Debating)
Post by: HappyWarrior on September 22, 2009, 10:06:56 AM
Afleitchwho would you suggest for this position if it is in fact implemented.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (Debating)
Post by: Purple State on September 22, 2009, 01:40:19 PM

Mmm.  I say good luck filling this position and then having that person make a useful post out of it...

It can be done! But I am skeptical


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (Debating)
Post by: afleitch on September 22, 2009, 02:16:37 PM
Afleitchwho would you suggest for this position if it is in fact implemented.

That's up to the President.

As far as I am concerned I think we need a slight expansion in the Cabinet to reflect the wide scope of legislation we have recently passed and the Senates focus on social legislation and economic legislation too. The fact we have a GM and a regular news tracker makes a further cabinet post easier to hold and be active in.

For the record I was one of the, then, politicos who called for the Cabinet to be reduced last time. I will happily acknowledge that but I really do feel times have changed.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (Debating)
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 22, 2009, 02:37:30 PM
It seems like a pretty good office, and I'll probably vote for this bill, but I have a feeling unless we get someone extremely committed to this, it will be an inactive post.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (Debating)
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on September 22, 2009, 02:38:23 PM
It seems like a pretty good office, and I'll probably vote for this bill, but I have a feeling unless we get someone extremely committed to this, it will be an inactive post.

Hopefully there are some out there who would be committed to the position, and working in concert with the GM. But I think it's worth a trial run.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (Debating)
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 22, 2009, 02:39:45 PM
It seems like a pretty good office, and I'll probably vote for this bill, but I have a feeling unless we get someone extremely committed to this, it will be an inactive post.

Hopefully there are some out there who would be committed to the position, and working in concert with the GM. But I think it's worth a trial run.
Yep. Hopefully the President has someone in mind. The only person who is coming to my mind is a popular Senator who probably wouldn't want to take this over being a Senator.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (Debating)
Post by: MasterJedi on September 25, 2009, 08:37:04 AM
I hereby open up a final vote on this bill. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

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Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009

Preamble:

The Senate recognizes the recent legislative changes that have taken place and the potential effects and opportunities therein.

1. The post of Secretary of Internal Affairs (SoIA) is therefore established to be filled in accordance with existing Senate procedure.

2. The Secretary of Internal Affairs shall be responsible for the following portfolios; Health, Education, Welfare, Housing, Taxation, Social Security, budgetary concerns and in addition any other briefs conferred upon the Secretary by the President.

3. The Secretary of Internal Affairs shall, with the assistance of the Game Moderator, be required to address the Senate once each session on the state of the economy and public expenditure.


I wasn't able to debate this since I've been busy but I support this. It was going to be one of my campaign platforms but you introduced it and it's better to hopefully get it passed now. Anyways, I vote Aye.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (At Final Vote)
Post by: Franzl on September 25, 2009, 08:38:22 AM
Abstain for now


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (At Final Vote)
Post by: Rowan on September 25, 2009, 08:38:44 AM
NAY....insanely stupid(which is not much different than everything else that goes on here :) )


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (At Final Vote)
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on September 25, 2009, 08:52:58 AM
Aye, It's a great idea, I love the nuts and bolts of policy, and it deserves it's trial run.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (At Final Vote)
Post by: afleitch on September 25, 2009, 12:38:44 PM
Aye


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (At Final Vote)
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 25, 2009, 02:55:14 PM
Aye
Basically everything Marokai said. It deserves a chance.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (At Final Vote)
Post by: Hash on September 25, 2009, 03:06:15 PM
Aye.

Benefit of the doubt. If we gets clowns, incompetents in there or if they're woefully inactive, I'll introduce legislation to remove those offices.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (At Final Vote)
Post by: MasterJedi on September 25, 2009, 03:07:22 PM
This bill has enough votes to pass. Senators now have 24 hours to change their votes.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (At Final Vote)
Post by: Fritz on September 26, 2009, 01:24:55 AM
Aye


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (At Final Vote)
Post by: Franzl on September 26, 2009, 05:00:50 AM
I change my vote to AYE.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (At Final Vote)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 26, 2009, 03:32:16 PM
Aye


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (At Final Vote)
Post by: MasterJedi on September 26, 2009, 08:21:14 PM
With 8 Ayes, 1 Nay and 0 Abstentions this bill has passed. I hereby present it to the President for his signature.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 29, 2009, 10:01:38 PM
Um, I guess I'll sign this. But please don't get mad at me if I can't find someone active to do this.

X Lief


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on September 29, 2009, 10:03:45 PM
Um, I guess I'll sign this. But please don't get mad at me if I can't find someone active to do this.

X Lief

There are plenty of people active enough.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Ebowed on September 29, 2009, 10:05:34 PM

HEY WHAT ABOUT YOU!!!!


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on September 29, 2009, 10:07:24 PM

As Alexander Hamilton, I'd probably be ideal. But I am happy in my current office. In all honesty, I was actually going to suggest you if Lief wanted to know who was on my mind.

Either you or PiT.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Ebowed on September 29, 2009, 10:10:31 PM

As Alexander Hamilton, I'd probably be ideal. But I am happy in my current office. In all honesty, I was actually going to suggest you if Lief wanted to know who was on my mind.

Either you or PiT.

Based on the job description outlined in this bill, it looks like pretty much the most thankless job in the game (except perhaps GM).

I'm quite happy serving the people of the Pacific, regardless. :)


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on September 29, 2009, 10:11:20 PM

As Alexander Hamilton, I'd probably be ideal. But I am happy in my current office. In all honesty, I was actually going to suggest you if Lief wanted to know who was on my mind.

Either you or PiT.

Based on the job description outlined in this bill, it looks like pretty much the most thankless job in the game (except perhaps GM).

I'm quite happy serving the people of the Pacific, regardless. :)

How have you served them?


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Ebowed on September 29, 2009, 10:12:29 PM

Well, if you're going to go that route, I'd question your motives in recommending me for Secretary of Internal Affairs. :)


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on September 29, 2009, 10:30:34 PM

Well, if you're going to go that route, I'd question your motives in recommending me for Secretary of Internal Affairs. :)

He said no experience necessary. :P


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Meeker on September 29, 2009, 11:13:36 PM
I might be interested in it if Ebowed doesn't mind taking over as Governor.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Meeker on September 29, 2009, 11:59:13 PM
I might be interested in it if Ebowed doesn't mind taking over as Governor.

Boss says I can't do this, so never mind.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Purple State on September 30, 2009, 12:03:48 AM
I might be interested in it if Ebowed doesn't mind taking over as Governor.

Boss says I can't do this, so never mind.

Boom goes the dynamite!

But really, this may be the only time I've seen bgwah's might exerted in a public way. It is pretty interesting.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on September 30, 2009, 12:04:59 AM
I might be interested in it if Ebowed doesn't mind taking over as Governor.

Boss says I can't do this, so never mind.

Boom goes the dynamite!

But really, this may be the only time I've seen bgwah's might exerted in a public way. It is pretty interesting.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=101267.0 (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=101267.0)

:'(


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Purple State on September 30, 2009, 12:11:17 AM
I might be interested in it if Ebowed doesn't mind taking over as Governor.

Boss says I can't do this, so never mind.

Boom goes the dynamite!

But really, this may be the only time I've seen bgwah's might exerted in a public way. It is pretty interesting.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=101267.0 (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=101267.0)

:'(

That was more JCP solidarity than bgwah overruling a party member. Still, both are fine examples of why the JCP is such a powerful force and so difficult to defeat.

I will admit, I still have never had a discussion with bgwah. Although I hear he has some colorful nicknames for me.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Ebowed on September 30, 2009, 12:15:25 AM
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=101267.0 (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=101267.0)

:'(

I would attribute the result to my cutting edge campaign tactics. ;D


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on September 30, 2009, 12:30:20 AM
I might be interested in it if Ebowed doesn't mind taking over as Governor.

Boss says I can't do this, so never mind.

Boom goes the dynamite!

But really, this may be the only time I've seen bgwah's might exerted in a public way. It is pretty interesting.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=101267.0 (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=101267.0)

:'(

That was more JCP solidarity than bgwah overruling a party member. Still, both are fine examples of why the JCP is such a powerful force and so difficult to defeat.

I will admit, I still have never had a discussion with bgwah. Although I hear he has some colorful nicknames for me.

Your name isn't colorful enough? :P


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on September 30, 2009, 12:49:49 AM
Me! Me!


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on September 30, 2009, 04:14:28 AM
He has colorful nicknames for all of us.

For instance, he called me "Mary." :P


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on September 30, 2009, 05:20:28 AM
He has colorful nicknames for all of us.

For instance, he called me "Mary." :P

I was referring to his "actual" name being Purple (State).


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Meeker on September 30, 2009, 09:17:07 AM
For the record that was more humorous playing on the JCP stereotype that bgwah controls everything. :P

I just asked Boss for advice. If I really wanted to do it I'd do it. But I don't really want to. So all is good.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Bacon King on September 30, 2009, 01:36:36 PM
I might be interested in it if Ebowed doesn't mind taking over as Governor.

Boss says I can't do this, so never mind.

Boom goes the dynamite!

But really, this may be the only time I've seen bgwah's might exerted in a public way. It is pretty interesting.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=101267.0 (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=101267.0)

:'(

That was more JCP solidarity than bgwah overruling a party member. Still, both are fine examples of why the JCP is such a powerful force and so difficult to defeat.

I will admit, I still have never had a discussion with bgwah. Although I hear he has some colorful nicknames for me.

<3 bgwah's nicknames


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 30, 2009, 02:09:53 PM

Are you even allowed to hold a cabinet post?


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Psychic Octopus on September 30, 2009, 07:31:31 PM
I'm interested in the post, Mr. President. I have sent you my application, and I hope for the best.


Title: Re: Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 30, 2009, 07:45:50 PM
I have received a number of offers already. If anyone else is interested, please PM me. I'll try and make a decision this weekend.