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Title: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: Rowan on October 14, 2009, 04:13:30 PM Rasmussen PA Senate
Toomey 45% Specter 40% Sestak 38% Toomey 37% http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/pennsylvania/2010_senate_election/election_2010_pennsylvania_senate_election Sestak-Specter numbers out at 7 AM tomorrow. Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: Tender Branson on October 15, 2009, 12:13:16 AM DEM Primary:
Specter: 46% Sestak: 42% http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/politics/local_politics/101409_Poll_Shows_Sestak_Within_4_Points_Of_Specter Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: 12th Doctor on October 15, 2009, 12:24:05 AM As I have said from the beginning, I would much rather take on Specter. People know Specter. They hate Specter. End of story.
Sestak is all potential. Yes, his numbers aren't good now, but that is because no one knows who he is. He is basically getting the votes of all people committed not to vote for a Republican. Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: 12th Doctor on October 15, 2009, 12:28:02 AM Plus, Specter leaves any primary mortally wounded from having to fight the Democrat base, while anyone who votes for him will only be doing so because they want to back the big name, who they think really has the better shot to win the general.
Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: Holmes on October 15, 2009, 08:10:54 AM There is hope.
Normally I wouldn't care about a Pennsylvania senate race, but Sestak would make an awesome senator. Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: Eraserhead on October 15, 2009, 10:11:38 AM Specter has become a complete joke.
Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: ChrisJG777 on October 15, 2009, 11:01:13 AM Specter has :P Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: Aizen on October 15, 2009, 01:44:05 PM Wow, Sestak is close to Specter now in the Dem primary. Wasn't Specter beating Sestak like 37-11 in the last poll?
Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: You kip if you want to... on October 15, 2009, 03:09:51 PM Specter has lost this seat by himself, nobody else is to blame. Hopefully Sestak can help the Dems hold onto the seat.
Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: Lief 🗽 on October 15, 2009, 03:16:11 PM DEM Primary: Specter: 46% Sestak: 42% http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/politics/local_politics/101409_Poll_Shows_Sestak_Within_4_Points_Of_Specter Specter is toast. Maybe if the polls were like this with a few months to go Specter would have a 50-50 shot, but Sestak has more than another half a year to continue making himself known. Unless he screws up big, I don't see Sestak losing the primary. Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: ChrisJG777 on October 15, 2009, 04:46:20 PM Specter, doesn't stand a ghost of chance if his slipping poll figures hold true on election day. (Ok, so I really wanted to use that pun.)
Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on October 16, 2009, 09:39:41 AM Sestak will win the primary and we will have a fair shot at winning this thing. Now, I think Toomey has not a fair shot if Sestak is the primary victor.
Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on October 16, 2009, 09:58:11 PM Sestak probably beats Toomey by a couple points; Toomey probably thumps Specter by 5 or more. I know all you Democrats think Toomey to be a nut, but as someone who actually lived in his district for a handful of years, he comes across a lot better and a lot more electable than you think...
Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon on October 16, 2009, 11:01:12 PM Though I hold substantially less esteem for Senator Spector since he left the GOP, it must be said that being a moderate ain't much fun these days.
As difficult as it is to be a moderate Republican, the gods of politics do not look favorably upon party-switchers. He would have been better off fighting to the bitter end in the GOP primary and at least being a standard-bearer for the dwindling numbers of voters who long for statesmenship and virtue instead of ideological madness and vitriol. Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: Padfoot on October 17, 2009, 12:19:23 AM Though I hold substantially less esteem for Senator Spector since he left the GOP, it must be said that being a moderate ain't much fun these days. As difficult as it is to be a moderate Republican, the gods of politics do not look favorably upon party-switchers. He would have been better off fighting to the bitter end in the GOP primary and at least being a standard-bearer for the dwindling numbers of voters who long for statesmenship and virtue instead of ideological madness and vitriol. I think his chances would have been better if he'd just gone indy and then caucused with the Democrats instead of a full blown party switch. Switching parties opens you up to more accusations of hypocrisy than going indy does. Granted, Pennsylvania is probably a hard state to run in without a party but I think Specter could have pulled it off. Actually, come to think of it, this is what the moderates should have done from the beginning. Specter, Collins, and Snowe should have all left the GOP simultaneously and created their own party. I'm sure they could have gotten some house members to join them as well. Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: Smash255 on October 17, 2009, 12:23:52 AM Sestak probably beats Toomey by a couple points; Toomey probably thumps Specter by 5 or more. I know all you Democrats think Toomey to be a nut, but as someone who actually lived in his district for a handful of years, he comes across a lot better and a lot more electable than you think... Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: © tweed on October 17, 2009, 01:08:04 AM Specter done? hard to imagine something that causes his popularity to be boosted.
Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon on October 17, 2009, 11:51:00 AM Though I hold substantially less esteem for Senator Spector since he left the GOP, it must be said that being a moderate ain't much fun these days. As difficult as it is to be a moderate Republican, the gods of politics do not look favorably upon party-switchers. He would have been better off fighting to the bitter end in the GOP primary and at least being a standard-bearer for the dwindling numbers of voters who long for statesmenship and virtue instead of ideological madness and vitriol. I think his chances would have been better if he'd just gone indy and then caucused with the Democrats instead of a full blown party switch. Switching parties opens you up to more accusations of hypocrisy than going indy does. Granted, Pennsylvania is probably a hard state to run in without a party but I think Specter could have pulled it off. Actually, come to think of it, this is what the moderates should have done from the beginning. Specter, Collins, and Snowe should have all left the GOP simultaneously and created their own party. I'm sure they could have gotten some house members to join them as well. BAD IDEA. Well good for them personally so that they can sleep at night, but bad for America in general. Every moderate that leaves the Republican Party causes said Party to move towards its extremist wing - same is true of Democrats. Too many self-described centrists and moderates choose to be "Independent" or "Vote for the man and not the Party" etc. Many times these voters hold the cards in the general election, but these attitudes cause them to only have a choice between a tweedle-dum right-winger and a tweedle-dee left-winger. Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 17, 2009, 12:15:19 PM Sestak probably beats Toomey by a couple points; Toomey probably thumps Specter by 5 or more. I know all you Democrats think Toomey to be a nut, but as someone who actually lived in his district for a handful of years, he comes across a lot better and a lot more electable than you think... I've lived in PA 15 for a while as well. I didn't exactly think that was a conservative enclave, but Toomey managed to win tha area for years and that says something. Union Dems are tired of Specter's sh**t and may revert to Toomey by default or not vote at all. Sestak OTOH is more electable upstate and out West due to his background. Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: SamInTheSouth on October 17, 2009, 05:39:34 PM Though I hold substantially less esteem for Senator Spector since he left the GOP, it must be said that being a moderate ain't much fun these days. As difficult as it is to be a moderate Republican, the gods of politics do not look favorably upon party-switchers. He would have been better off fighting to the bitter end in the GOP primary and at least being a standard-bearer for the dwindling numbers of voters who long for statesmenship and virtue instead of ideological madness and vitriol. He probably should have just switched to Independent. He would have had a better chance in a three way race. Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: Eraserhead on October 18, 2009, 12:22:53 AM Sestak or whoever won the Democratic Primary would have laced Toomey if they would have just left him to be the "moderate slayer" in the GOP Primary. As it stands now, the race will be competitive, especially if the national atmosphere is bad for Democrats in '10. Christ, this is a state that managed to elect Crypto-Fascist Santorum a few times before finally tossing him out on his ass. I'm a bit concerned.
Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: Smash255 on October 18, 2009, 12:38:10 AM Sestak or whoever won the Democratic Primary would have laced Toomey if they would have just left him to be the "moderate slayer" in the GOP Primary. As it stands now, the race will be competitive, especially if the national atmosphere is bad for Democrats in '10. Christ, this is a state that managed to elect Crypto-Fascist Santorum a few times before finally tossing him out on his ass. I'm a bit concerned. Granted, but that was during a time when Republicans were still competitive in suburban Philly. Now only moderate Republicans are competitive in suburban Philly, conservatives aren't. Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 18, 2009, 11:57:32 AM Sestak or whoever won the Democratic Primary would have laced Toomey if they would have just left him to be the "moderate slayer" in the GOP Primary. As it stands now, the race will be competitive, especially if the national atmosphere is bad for Democrats in '10. Christ, this is a state that managed to elect Crypto-Fascist Santorum a few times before finally tossing him out on his ass. I'm a bit concerned. Granted, but that was during a time when Republicans were still competitive in suburban Philly. Now only moderate Republicans are competitive in suburban Philly, conservatives aren't. BUT Republicans are succeeding in getting union, Bob Casey Democrats. I know Pat Toomey would have about a 20% chance of winning Bucks County at best, Chester 10%, Montgomery/Delaware about 2%, but Santoomeyites have been successful in Jack Murtha-land if you know what I mean. That could be dangerous. Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: Rowan on October 18, 2009, 11:59:43 AM I like how people underestimate Toomey. This election should be fun.
Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 20, 2009, 12:36:23 AM I like how people underestimate Toomey. This election should be fun. Only with Specter. He no longer appeals to union Dems and most polls show the going for Toomey and not voting out of protest. Sestak OTOH has much room to improve. PA is just not that conservative, BUT if a Dem pisses off a portion of their base, they could have issues. Specter did with dilly-dallying with EFCA and it will cost him. Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: Padfoot on October 20, 2009, 01:46:51 AM Though I hold substantially less esteem for Senator Spector since he left the GOP, it must be said that being a moderate ain't much fun these days. As difficult as it is to be a moderate Republican, the gods of politics do not look favorably upon party-switchers. He would have been better off fighting to the bitter end in the GOP primary and at least being a standard-bearer for the dwindling numbers of voters who long for statesmenship and virtue instead of ideological madness and vitriol. I think his chances would have been better if he'd just gone indy and then caucused with the Democrats instead of a full blown party switch. Switching parties opens you up to more accusations of hypocrisy than going indy does. Granted, Pennsylvania is probably a hard state to run in without a party but I think Specter could have pulled it off. Actually, come to think of it, this is what the moderates should have done from the beginning. Specter, Collins, and Snowe should have all left the GOP simultaneously and created their own party. I'm sure they could have gotten some house members to join them as well. BAD IDEA. Well good for them personally so that they can sleep at night, but bad for America in general. Every moderate that leaves the Republican Party causes said Party to move towards its extremist wing - same is true of Democrats. Too many self-described centrists and moderates choose to be "Independent" or "Vote for the man and not the Party" etc. Many times these voters hold the cards in the general election, but these attitudes cause them to only have a choice between a tweedle-dum right-winger and a tweedle-dee left-winger. Not if they form their own party though. If there is a viable third option to tweedle-dum and tweedle-dee, as you so aptly named them, then sanity can prevail. The two-party oligarchy will continue to produce extremists as long as it is allowed to continue existing. Neither party will ever self-moderate even if the moderates stay. They will just continue to toss the middle back and forth between themselves. But if the middle were to become its own party then we could finally stop this endless merry-go-round. Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: biggzcorey on November 11, 2009, 12:51:53 PM Toomey is another Santorum, Sestak will probably win the primary and crush him by 10-15 points. If Spector win the primary (which I don't see happening), it might get a little closer.
Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: bullmoose88 on November 12, 2009, 01:54:12 AM Toomey is another Santorum. Not quite. I spent 4 years in PA-15...I've seen Toomey debate etc. Toomey and Santorum are similar (Both are pretty intelligent, well spoken guys-make no mistake)...but its gonna be harder than you'd think running the santorum playbook on Toomey. You had a lot of easy things to attack with Santorum (Man on Dog for starters)...I dont think you have as many of these "holy sh**t he said that" quotes with Toomey (Toomey is at least more careful if not smarter than santorum.) I'm still pro-specter...no idea how I'd go on Sestak-Toomey Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: Alexander Hamilton on November 12, 2009, 04:48:58 AM Toomey is another Santorum. I'm still pro-specter...no idea how I'd go on Sestak-Toomey I would suggest Toomey ;) Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: ajc0918 on November 12, 2009, 05:45:22 AM Toomey is another Santorum. Not quite. I spent 4 years in PA-15...I've seen Toomey debate etc. Toomey and Santorum are similar (Both are pretty intelligent, well spoken guys-make no mistake)...but its gonna be harder than you'd think running the santorum playbook on Toomey. You had a lot of easy things to attack with Santorum (Man on Dog for starters)...I dont think you have as many of these "holy sh**t he said that" quotes with Toomey (Toomey is at least more careful if not smarter than santorum.) I'm still pro-specter...no idea how I'd go on Sestak-Toomey Is Specter for or against the healthcare bill? Title: Re: PA: Rasmussen: Toomey leads Specter, Sestak leads Toomey Post by: The Age Wave on December 04, 2009, 01:44:39 PM Undecided between Sestak and Toomey. Used to be a strong Sestak supporter so he might be losing support with others as well.
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