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Title: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - our survivor ALFONSIN prevails over Frondizi !
Post by: big bad fab on December 11, 2009, 06:00:05 AM
Finally, it comes !
And to be sure, it begins in 1862 !

1. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
2. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
3. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
4. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
5. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
6. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
7. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
8. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
9. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
10. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
11. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
12. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
13. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
14. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
15. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
16. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
17. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
18. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
19. Arturo Rawson (1943)
20. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
21. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
22. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
23. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
24. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
25. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
26. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
27. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
28. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
29. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
30. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
31. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
32. Héctor José Campora (1973)
33. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
34. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
35. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
36. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
37. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
38. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
39. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
40. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
41. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
42. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
43. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
44. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
45. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

In each round, you vote for the president you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes is elminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

Vote is not open.
Just use some time to discuss the list and any problem....

And please vote in the Irish leaders Survivor and the Greek Gods Survivor, now open !
:D


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - preliminary notes
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on December 11, 2009, 06:12:39 AM
Roca


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - preliminary notes
Post by: big bad fab on December 11, 2009, 06:16:47 AM

Not so fast, Gully !

Wait a bit, vote isn't open... I just want the specialists and the "fans" to take a look, in case something is bad in the list.

But you can vote in the Greek Gods Survivor (religion & philosophy board) ;)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - preliminary notes
Post by: big bad fab on December 11, 2009, 07:59:13 AM
We'll begin when Edu says the list is OK.

As for Molina Gomez, he was president, even if for a short time, so I really think he sould be included.
I have excluded the interim ones, not the "real" even if short ones.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - preliminary notes
Post by: Hash on December 11, 2009, 08:15:55 AM
Well, too bad there's no earlier leaders like Rosas, I know he only governed over Buenos Aires but he's considered an early Argentine leader and his role and philosophy in Argentine history is rather important.

I would include Rosas and maybe the people between 1853 and 1862.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - preliminary notes
Post by: big bad fab on December 11, 2009, 09:45:01 AM
1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

In each round, you vote for the president you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes is elminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

OK, guys, VOTE IS NOT OPEN.

BUT... the list is longer !
I'll just kill Hash, but, well, we must acknowledge he is damn right. It'll be better like that (I include "everything" from the 1826 constitution and onwards). I was a bit lazy in my first list...

With 56 names, I'm a bit worried about turnout. But I don't like to kill 2 unknown at once, because it's sure we won't make any effort to read a bit about them. With only one ousted at once, you're forced to read if you want to be honest in your vote.

I just wait for Edu to give me a green light and we'll be able to begin.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - preliminary notes
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on December 11, 2009, 09:52:09 AM
Rosas. The Mussolini/Franco of the 19th Century.

Then Roca. I don't really know too much about most of the other Pre-Peron guys.

Yes I know we've started fab, but I'm pre-empting.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - preliminary notes
Post by: Hash on December 11, 2009, 01:03:24 PM
It might be faster to dump two in the first rounds.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - preliminary notes
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on December 11, 2009, 01:49:54 PM
It might be faster to dump two in the first rounds.

Yeah, I think they are too many ;)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - preliminary notes
Post by: Edu on December 11, 2009, 02:59:55 PM
Oh, fab, i didn't know that you were waiting for me to start this, i would have tried to arrive home faster :( instead of keeping everybody hanging.

Anyways, i think the list is ok, but maybe you could cut some of the early names and leave the important ones, like for instance just leave Rivadavia, Rosas, Urquiza (Maybe Derqui too) and then leave all of them from Mitre on to the present. Most of the early names in the list may have been important for some time, but considering they weren't presidents and that most didn't even fully control the whole territory, it may become a boring task eliminating them (and frankly i have no idea which ones i would eliminate early or try to keep late in the game :P).
But it's just a suggestion, if everyone else wants to play with all the names then i won't really complain. I'm just concerned about the general lack of knowledge about them (including me with some of the names :P)

From Mitre onwards i don't really have a complaint, except for Molina Gómez. When i saw that name i thought: "who the f*** is that? lol. I don't think he really belongs in the list despite being president for a couple of days. And this is honestly the first time i ever heard of him :P Of course we had so many presidents, interim presidents, military juntas, etc that it's hard keeping track of them all and not become insane ;D

As i said, these are only small suggestions, whatever you decide is fine, fab :)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - preliminary notes
Post by: Edu on December 11, 2009, 03:09:50 PM
Oh by the way, Videla, Ongania, Jose Felix Uriburu and Aramburu need to go ASAP. Probably Rosas and Roca could follow swiftly. Then Sarmiento, Figueroa Alcorta, Justo, Guido, Isabel Peron and Galtieri are also good candidates for early ousting.

And now that i see him, Rawson shouldn't be here either, he was sort of a figurehead that lasted a couple of days maintaining the government house for Ramirez to take power.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - preliminary notes
Post by: big bad fab on December 11, 2009, 05:09:05 PM
Thank you, Edu.

Eventually I won't change the list again and I'll let the small ones, because... I'm tired tonight... ;)

OK, we can have ten rounds or so, with a double killing...


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 1
Post by: big bad fab on December 11, 2009, 05:11:02 PM
1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND ONE IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 1
Post by: big bad fab on December 11, 2009, 05:11:53 PM
Videla
Viola


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 1
Post by: Hash on December 11, 2009, 05:28:03 PM
Videla
Uriburu


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 1
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on December 11, 2009, 05:29:55 PM


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 1
Post by: Edu on December 11, 2009, 06:10:11 PM
Viola wasn't that bad compared to Videla or others, he in fact went against some of the harsher measures made by Videla. Yep, he was a son of a bitch, but he at least reincorporated some politicians so they could take part of the government, he also didn't enforce some of the prohibitions as hard as Videla did (or Galtieri after him for that matter). Yes the economic situation under him was bad, but if we oust argie presidents based on that we should do just 1 single huge round :P.
Still, he should be a target soon, but not now.

Rosas and Roca are early elimination candidates but despite the bad things they did, they also did some stuff right, which gives them a pass for now.


I'm going to vote for Jorge Rafael Videla, maybe there are some in the list that killed more people than him, maybe it's true that the times before the coup were f***ed up, but not only is he one of the worst here for various reasons, i also have personal reasons to hate him the most, so yeah, Videla needs to go.

Then I'll vote for José Félix Uriburu. The guy who started the nice tradition of overthrowing the government that the military and other powerful groups didn't like. Yes, Argentina up to that point didn't have the best democratic record in the world, elections were constantly rigged and the same power group ruled the country while regularly getting richer and with little to no regard for the rest of the people, but in the 10's and 20's that changed a bit, elections became freer than ever and the same people that governed for decades had decreased power.
But this guy screwed everything up, overthrew the government, torture of political opponents and suspected anarchists or communists became a normal thing, he closed newspapers, executed workers and union heads and set up a clearly fascist government (and I'm not one to throw around that word lightly) among other things :P
And after all this? electoral fraud returned and the same people that were voted out years ago returned like nothing had happened, and then it was all downhill from there. If you want to blame someone for the screwed up country we have you would probably end up pointing the finger at this guy and not Peron, like it's usually done.


In case it wasn't all that clear because of my rant: I vote to eliminate Videla and J. F. Uriburu :P


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 1
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on December 11, 2009, 07:17:56 PM
Uriburu
Aramburu


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 1
Post by: Hash on December 11, 2009, 07:41:08 PM
I changed my second vote to Uriburu. I don't know why I had forgotten that asshole, given that I almost spent a majority of my history paper ranting about how much of a piece of sh**t he was.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 1
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on December 12, 2009, 06:40:24 AM
Rosas
Videla


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 1
Post by: big bad fab on December 12, 2009, 04:42:42 PM
I'm still ill and very tired, guys.
Round 1 is still open...

Do not hesitate to argue with Edu !


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 1
Post by: Edu on December 12, 2009, 10:33:36 PM
Pity that Lewis and Al haven't voted, we need more people :P


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 1
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on December 12, 2009, 11:01:18 PM
Yay! another survivor ;D


Carlos Menem (out-of-reality piece of crap)

Jorge Videla (I don't need to explain that ;))


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 1
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on December 13, 2009, 05:03:52 AM
José Evaristo Uriburu
Jorge Rafael Videla


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 1
Post by: big bad fab on December 15, 2009, 02:57:12 AM
Sorry, guys, I'm still very ill and exhausted.
You'll have to wait.
But, don't worry, I don't forget my survivors...


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 1
Post by: Edu on December 15, 2009, 03:01:13 AM
No problem man, i'm sure everyone here is more concerned about your health than about a game ;)

Hope you get better soon :)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 1
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on December 21, 2009, 04:04:56 PM
-BUMP-


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 2
Post by: big bad fab on December 23, 2009, 05:47:55 AM
()()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND TWO IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 2 - RESTART BUTTON PRESSED !
Post by: big bad fab on December 23, 2009, 05:50:36 AM
I don't feel really better, but I can't let this stopped too long.

I hope the turnout will be good in other rounds too.

Come & vote, guys, the Argentine survivor is back !


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 2 - RESTART BUTTON PRESSED !
Post by: Edu on December 23, 2009, 07:35:47 AM
You got the wrong Uriburu out fab, I don't think that Xahar and Hash voted for the dull Jose Evaristo, but for the dictator Jose Felix :P


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 2 - RESTART BUTTON PRESSED !
Post by: Hash on December 23, 2009, 09:25:03 AM
Rosas
Aramburu


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 2 - RESTART BUTTON PRESSED !
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on December 23, 2009, 10:37:22 AM
Rosas
Viola


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 2 - RESTART BUTTON PRESSED !
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on December 23, 2009, 03:11:22 PM
Rosas
Roca


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 2 - RESTART BUTTON PRESSED !
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on December 23, 2009, 05:05:04 PM
     Juan Manuel de Rosas & Pedro Eugenio Aramburu


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 2 - RESTART BUTTON PRESSED !
Post by: Edu on December 24, 2009, 01:51:26 AM
Oh, i forgot to vote :P

Aramburu
Ongania


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 2 - RESTART BUTTON PRESSED !
Post by: big bad fab on December 24, 2009, 06:52:40 AM
You got the wrong Uriburu out fab, I don't think that Xahar and Hash voted for the dull Jose Evaristo, but for the dictator Jose Felix :P

OMG, of course.
As I said, I don't really feel better and you see the result...
I've got a big fever since 20 days, now and I'm not able to get rid of it. It's not the swine flu, just an infection, but it lasts and lasts...

Sorry, I fix all this mess...


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 2 - RESTART BUTTON PRESSED !
Post by: big bad fab on December 24, 2009, 06:56:20 AM
Oh, and I haven't voted myself:

Aramburu
Viola


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 3
Post by: big bad fab on December 24, 2009, 07:01:07 AM
()()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND THREE IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 3
Post by: Hash on December 24, 2009, 09:27:28 AM
Viola
Roca


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 3
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on December 24, 2009, 09:29:51 AM
Galtieri

Bignone


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 3
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on December 24, 2009, 09:52:04 AM


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 3
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on December 24, 2009, 09:55:45 AM
Roca
Mitre (He was the one who referred to the blood of Gauchos as fertilizer right? Or was that Sarmineto?)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 3
Post by: Edu on December 24, 2009, 12:48:03 PM
You got the wrong Uriburu out fab, I don't think that Xahar and Hash voted for the dull Jose Evaristo, but for the dictator Jose Felix :P

OMG, of course.
As I said, I don't really feel better and you see the result...
I've got a big fever since 20 days, now and I'm not able to get rid of it. It's not the swine flu, just an infection, but it lasts and lasts...

Sorry, I fix all this mess...

No problem, hope you get better soon

Roca
Mitre (He was the one who referred to the blood of Gauchos as fertilizer right? Or was that Sarmineto?)

That was Sarmiento.


I'm still baffled at people voting for Viola or Bignone who were pretty mild dictators (in Bignone's case, everybody knew that he was just a transitional president till elections were held).

Anyway, my votes

Juan Carlos Onganía

Juan Lavalle (this guy was part of the Unitarios in the civil war [people who wanted to have a centralized government in Buenos Aires which would rule the rest of the country without consulting or caring for every other province], he overthrew Dorrego, executed him and then allied with Rosas and he basically paved the way for Rosas to gain power [more power than what he already had, mind you].


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 3
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on December 24, 2009, 04:48:59 PM
     Juan Lavalle & Domingo Faustino Sarmiento


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 3
Post by: big bad fab on December 27, 2009, 12:28:46 PM
Viola (sorry, Edu)
Ongania


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 4
Post by: big bad fab on December 27, 2009, 12:34:12 PM
()()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND FOUR IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 4
Post by: Hash on December 27, 2009, 12:40:08 PM
Galtieri
Ongania


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 4
Post by: Edu on December 27, 2009, 01:27:17 PM
Lavalle
Ongania (what is he still doing here?)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 4
Post by: big bad fab on December 27, 2009, 04:34:45 PM
Ongania
Isabel Peron


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 4
Post by: Edu on December 27, 2009, 04:36:31 PM
Isabelita and Galtieri are good choices for the next round ;D


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 4
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on December 27, 2009, 05:08:31 PM
     Juan Lavalle & Domingo Faustino Sarmiento


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 4
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on December 28, 2009, 02:06:44 AM

this


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 4
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on December 28, 2009, 01:01:38 PM
Ongania
de Urquiza


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 5
Post by: big bad fab on December 29, 2009, 08:57:06 AM
()()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND FIVE IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 5
Post by: big bad fab on December 29, 2009, 09:05:28 AM
Fascist Pedro Pablo Ramirez
y
unbearable Isabel Peron


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 5
Post by: Hash on December 29, 2009, 09:53:12 AM
Isabel Perón
Pedro Pablo Ramírez


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 5
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on December 29, 2009, 10:30:03 AM

this


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 5
Post by: Edu on December 29, 2009, 01:40:47 PM
Isabel Perón
Leopoldo Galtieri

Both for obvious reasons.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 5
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on December 29, 2009, 08:11:36 PM
     Isabel Perón & Domingo Faustino Sarmiento


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 6
Post by: big bad fab on December 30, 2009, 12:42:26 PM
()()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND SIX IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 6
Post by: big bad fab on December 30, 2009, 12:47:34 PM
Farrell

Lanusse

Just to mix the periods and have some suspense with Galtieri or others ;).
And also because they were bad guys, of course.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 6
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on December 30, 2009, 01:12:44 PM
Justo José de Urquiza
Roberto Levingston

After we get rid of the military guys, we have to go after all those Oligarchial era non-entities.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 6
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on December 30, 2009, 02:36:51 PM
     Domingo Faustino Sarmiento & Leopoldo Galtieri


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 6
Post by: Edu on December 30, 2009, 05:14:16 PM
After we get rid of the military guys, we have to go after all those Oligarchial era non-entities.

Agreed, it's not like those guys offered free and fair elections, allowed dissent and benefited everyone thanks to the "success" the country was having. A bit better than the dictators we had afterwards (and some before) but it wasn't a democracy and they were also very corrupt.

Of course there were some worse than others, Between the period from Roca to Farrell the ones that need to go first are: Juarez Celman, Figueroa Alcorta, Justo and Farrell
The ones to keep would be Pellegrini, Roque Saenz Peña, Yrigoyen and Ortiz

Also i would suggest we get in agreement to eliminate both Rawson and Molina Gomez soon in one swift stroke. The guys were just caretakers and both "held" office for 2 days each, they shouldn't even be here to start with :P




Anyway, my votes (and it gets a little hard, there are a bunch of military dictators still in the game, but none of them were THAT bad compared to the other ones already eliminated)

Galtieri (yep, drunk piece of crap)
Jose Maria Guido (yeah, this may seem like a strange choice, but the guy was just a puppet for the military who overthrew one of our best Presidents [Frondizi], the way he came to power was a bit odd. when the military arrested Frondizi, nobody really cared to go to the "Pink House" [our government house] to actually take charge of the situation, they waited till the other morning. But meanwhile in the Pink House because Frondizi was arrested and the vicepresident had resigned, the supreme court decided to appoint the next in line to the presidency, that guy was Guido. So it was a surprise to the military heads to go into the Pink House to take office and find the office was already taken by this guy ;D. Apparently he was persuasive because the military decided to keep him as a figurehead and Guido was happy to follow those orders. The guy was useless, his time in office was marked by a mini-civil war between 2 factions of the military, the economy was crap and the guy committed the same mistake of banning the peronist party which in the end only helped Peron to get an even greater Martyr status. Plus it's always nice to set up a precedent were the civilian administration happily legitimizes the military coup and subsequent dictatorship. Maybe he doesn't really deserve to go now, but i wanted to mix it up a little bit with some unknown who was still pretty bad :P


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 6
Post by: big bad fab on January 01, 2010, 10:11:42 AM
We'll wait a bit, so that (at least) Hash can vote.

Happy new year to you all !


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 6
Post by: Hash on January 02, 2010, 03:21:07 PM
Galtieri
Farrell


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 6
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on January 03, 2010, 02:26:24 AM


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 7
Post by: big bad fab on January 04, 2010, 04:38:00 AM
()()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND SEVEN IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 7
Post by: big bad fab on January 04, 2010, 04:41:46 AM
Levingston

Lanusse

I'll vote for the 2 minor Rawson and Molina Gomez in 2 rounds.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 7
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on January 04, 2010, 05:12:21 AM
     Domingo Faustino Sarmiento & Alejandro Lanusse


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 7
Post by: Hash on January 04, 2010, 07:59:15 AM
Levingston
Lanusse


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 7
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on January 04, 2010, 08:58:12 AM


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 6
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on January 04, 2010, 10:51:44 AM
Justo José de Urquiza
Roberto Levingston


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 7
Post by: Edu on January 04, 2010, 01:16:24 PM
Alejandro Lanusse
José Maria Guido


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 8
Post by: big bad fab on January 05, 2010, 04:51:05 AM
()()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND EIGHT IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 8
Post by: big bad fab on January 05, 2010, 04:56:30 AM
Rawson

Molina Gomez

Of course, you may argue they shouldn't have been in the list, but they were REAL, even if very short, presidents.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 8
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on January 05, 2010, 07:03:52 AM
Molina Gómez
Justo José de Urquiza


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 8
Post by: Hash on January 05, 2010, 07:48:33 AM
Molina Gómez
Justo


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 8
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on January 05, 2010, 08:20:44 AM
José Maria Guido
José Domingo Molina Gómez


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 8
Post by: Edu on January 05, 2010, 11:51:56 AM
Rawson

Molina Gomez

Of course, you may argue they shouldn't have been in the list, but they were REAL, even if very short, presidents.

But i guess then you should have included Puerta and Camaño who were presidents for a day more or less :P
By the way, don't take my criticism the wrong way fab, you are doing a wonderful job, especially considering you have been ill ;)



The temptation of eliminating Guido is more powerful than the temptation of eliminating the caretakers. Let's have a compromise :P

Guido
Molina Gomez


The piece of crap of Agustín Pedro Justo should be eliminated soon too.


To be honest, before this started, i was worried that Peron was going to be ousted in the first rounds or some other crazy sh**t, cause of the bad reputation he has in the US, but i'm glad that while few, every voter here actually thinks when they vote :)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 8
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on January 05, 2010, 07:59:55 PM
     Agustín Pedro Justo & Arturo Rawson. I figure I'll lay off Sarmiento for a while.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 8
Post by: big bad fab on January 06, 2010, 05:03:39 AM
Rawson

Molina Gomez

Of course, you may argue they shouldn't have been in the list, but they were REAL, even if very short, presidents.

But i guess then you should have included Puerta and Camaño who were presidents for a day more or less :P
By the way, don't take my criticism the wrong way fab, you are doing a wonderful job, especially considering you have been ill ;)



The temptation of eliminating Guido is more powerful than the temptation of eliminating the caretakers. Let's have a compromise :P

Guido
Molina Gomez


The piece of crap of Agustín Pedro Justo should be eliminated soon too.


To be honest, before this started, i was worried that Peron was going to be ousted in the first rounds or some other crazy sh**t, cause of the bad reputation he has in the US, but i'm glad that while few, every voter here actually thinks when they vote :)

We try to ! ;)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 8
Post by: big bad fab on January 06, 2010, 05:06:01 AM
     Agustín Pedro Justo & Arturo Rawson. I figure I'll lay off Sarmiento for a while.

Not very successful, eh ?
Well, sorry, but, as for me, I don't really understand why you want to oust him so soon.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 9
Post by: big bad fab on January 06, 2010, 05:20:26 AM
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1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND NINE IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 9
Post by: big bad fab on January 06, 2010, 05:26:38 AM
It was impossible to find any photo of the great presidente Molina Gomez... So you've got Manuel Belgrano and the national flag...

A 3-way tie between Guido, Rawson and Justo, fine !

And, Edu, for Puerta and Camano, apart from the fact you didn't want them (;)), they were only acting ones. Molina Gomez and Rawson were real ones, even if short-lived.
But, sure, at a point, choices are a bit arbitrary.

For this round, I vote for
Rawson and Pedernera.

Just to have some suspense, because I acknowledge Justo should go, now or very soon.



Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 9
Post by: Hash on January 06, 2010, 07:59:50 AM
Rawson
Justo


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 9
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on January 06, 2010, 08:15:15 AM
Justo José de Urquiza
Agustín Pedro Justo


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 9
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on January 06, 2010, 12:55:53 PM
Agustín Pedro Justo
Arturo Rawson


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 9
Post by: Edu on January 06, 2010, 12:56:27 PM
And, Edu, for Puerta and Camano, apart from the fact you didn't want them (;)), they were only acting ones. Molina Gomez and Rawson were real ones, even if short-lived.
But, sure, at a point, choices are a bit arbitrary.

Well, in a way Puerta and Camaño were acting presidents because they were in office during a democracy and there was a constitutional way for power to change hands. Molina Gomez and Rawson were just "real" presidents because they were De facto presidents who in practice had no real power and they themselves acknowledged that they were in essence acting de facto presidents. Lonardi was even managing government business while Molina Gomez was still "president".
Rawson apparently will go out this round, so it's a moot point anyway ;D


Arturo Rawson
Agustín Pedro Justo (hey, if you want to blame someone for the destruction of the Argentine economy, start blaming this scumbag instead of Peron ;D)


Urquiza, Lonardi, Bignone, Juarez Celman, Figueroa Alcorta, Lastiri, Campora and even Pedernera should be going soon.



Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 9
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on January 06, 2010, 08:20:06 PM
     Agustín Pedro Justo & Arturo Rawson

     Agustín Pedro Justo & Arturo Rawson. I figure I'll lay off Sarmiento for a while.

Not very successful, eh ?
Well, sorry, but, as for me, I don't really understand why you want to oust him so soon.

     Argentinian Presidents are not something I am very knowledgeable about, so when I heard what I did about Sarmiento I decided I ought to vote against him. :-\


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 9
Post by: Edu on January 06, 2010, 09:05:18 PM
     Argentinian Presidents are not something I am very knowledgeable about, so when I heard what I did about Sarmiento I decided I ought to vote against him. :-\

Well, i don't blame you. He was a very good and prolific writer and it's no wonder that among those thousands of pages people were going to find some nasty stuff :P
He was pretty racist against the native americans, he criticised the most poor provinces and he didn't have a nice opinion (to say the least) about the gauchos. So some of the things he wrote are pretty shocking by today's standart, But at the time i wouldn't say that his views were too much out of touch with the mainstream beliefs. I sort of give him some slack cause of that.
Despite this, he was a pretty good president who modernized the country and greatly promoted education. He had other faults during his administration, but on the whole he was pretty good, especially considering that he was president during a time where the tension between Buenos Aires and the rest of the provinces was sky high.
Though as the years pass opinions about him seem to be more extreme. Some think he's one of our greatest presidents and some think he was one of the worst, the truth should be somewhere in between :P

IMHO, All the crap dictators and most of the nincompoops that succeeded Roca till Peron came along should probably go before him ;)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 10
Post by: big bad fab on January 07, 2010, 04:50:51 AM
()()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND TEN IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 10
Post by: big bad fab on January 07, 2010, 05:00:27 AM
Pedernera

Lastiri

(P2 member ! I didn't know it...)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 10
Post by: Hash on January 07, 2010, 07:51:21 AM
Lastiri
Urquiza


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 10
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on January 07, 2010, 11:52:26 AM
Justo José de Urquiza
Raúl Alberto Lastiri

Wow, Argentina has had some sucky leadership.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 10
Post by: Edu on January 07, 2010, 12:18:05 PM
Wow, Argentina has had some sucky leadership.

No sh**t ;D


Justo José de Urquiza
Eduardo Lonardi (he might have ruled for just a little while and he was certainly tamer than Aramburu. He also had the right idea in regards to Peronism [that is, don't ban the party and make Perón even more of a martyr than what he already was]. He was still a dictator who continued the nice tradition of deposing leaders when it's convenient, screw him :P


Lastiri had very close ties with José Lopez Rega, who is one of the most infamous people we ever had. Lopez Rega virtually controlled the 3rd government of Perón and fully controlled the administration of his wife Isabel. Lopez rega was a far right loon who believed in witches and some other weird sh**t and who was actually the head of the "Triple A" a far right terrorist and paramilitary group who was very much involved in all the horrible stuff that happened during the 70's.
Lastiri was an incompetent figurehead who was famous for his huge collection of ties, i'm guessing he didn't buy them with his hard earned money :P
And yeah, he was a member of the P2.
Still, i don't think he should go just now, since his tenure was so short it certainly wasn't worse than what was considered the norm those days :P


Lastiri will probably be out and Lonardi still in, i'm guessing that my next 2 votes will be something like: Lonardi and Juarez Celman, but i'll have to think about it


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 10
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on January 07, 2010, 12:34:39 PM
Justo José de Urquiza
Raúl Alberto Lastiri


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 10
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on January 07, 2010, 11:41:42 PM
     Juan Esteban Pedernera & Justo José de Urquiza


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 11
Post by: big bad fab on January 08, 2010, 04:12:30 AM
()()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND ELEVEN IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 11
Post by: big bad fab on January 08, 2010, 04:20:37 AM
Pedernera

Juarez Celman


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 11
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on January 08, 2010, 09:32:46 AM
Manuel Quintana
Reynaldo Bignone


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 11
Post by: big bad fab on January 08, 2010, 11:13:56 AM
Haha, wide open now !


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 11
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on January 08, 2010, 12:51:42 PM
Juan Esteban Pedernera
Reynaldo Bignone


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 11
Post by: Edu on January 08, 2010, 12:58:46 PM
Ok, I'm going to vote for the last military dictators of the 20Th century (Juarez Celman can wait a bit :P), after that scum is gone I'll concentrate on the pieces of crap like Quintana, Figueroa Alcorta and Juarez Celman and then the rest of the aristocratic puppets like the first Saenz Peña and the first Uriburu.

Quintana did try to make the British bomb the city of Rosario because of problems with a bank he represented, but in the end nothing happened thanks to Avellaneda and his foreign minister, and the guy still had a somewhat mediocre, somewhat decent presidency. He was interior minister for a while before becoming president though and he was pretty virulent against the revolutions at the time of the radicals who wanted reform. A good choice for some of the coming rounds.

We also shouldn't forget Pedernera (if he is not ousted this round) and Castillo (who has been flying under the radar)

Eduardo Lonardi (same reasons as before)
Reynaldo Bignone (Yep, he ruled mildly and just as a caretaker while democratic elections where prepared for 1983, However he is still a suspect in several crimes and another trial against him has already started or will start soon. He was so much of a figurehead during his last year in office that the people gave him the nickname "The Big none" an obvious pun thanks to that funny name of his, probably making him the first Argentine president to be mocked with a nickname in english ;D)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 11
Post by: Hash on January 08, 2010, 02:27:20 PM
Eduardo Lonardi
Reynaldo Bignone


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 11
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on January 08, 2010, 04:03:05 PM
     Juan Esteban Pedernera & Eduardo Lonardi


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 12
Post by: big bad fab on January 11, 2010, 03:17:02 AM
()()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND TWELVE IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 12
Post by: big bad fab on January 11, 2010, 03:21:33 AM
Sorry for the week-end interruption.
Each week-end, priority to my family, but, this one, moreover, I've got many problems of Internet connection.

As for me:

Juarez Celman, again

and Campora: I don't vote for Péron, but I can't stand the mediocre peronists of this sort...


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 12
Post by: Hash on January 11, 2010, 07:56:07 AM
Juarez Celman
Ramón Castillo


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 12
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on January 11, 2010, 08:36:47 AM
Manuel Quintana
Eduardo Lonardi


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 12
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on January 11, 2010, 12:14:19 PM
Eduardo Lonardi
Juarez Celman


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 12
Post by: Edu on January 11, 2010, 11:00:06 PM
Lonardi
Juarez Celman (pretty authoritarian even by the standart of the oligarchy of the time, had a fight with Roca which destabilized the country, gave the lands taken from the native americans to Buenos Aires settlers, a major economic crisis took place during his term, he was an incompetent buffoon, a british puppet and a corrupt bastard. He did some stuff right, but not much, his time has come)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 12
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on January 11, 2010, 11:15:10 PM
     Miguel Juárez Celman & Eduardo Lonardi


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 13
Post by: big bad fab on January 12, 2010, 03:52:30 AM
()()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1
Round twelve: Juarez Celman 5, Lonardi 4, Quintana 1, Campora 1, Castillo 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND THIRTEEN IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 13
Post by: big bad fab on January 12, 2010, 03:56:01 AM
Time to be half nuclear...

Hector José Campora

Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner

I can't bear her (I can't say it's personal, of course, but...) and it seems to be worse and worse: every peso seems to have to be put in the "Kirchners hole" ! ;)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 13
Post by: Hash on January 12, 2010, 07:55:18 AM
Ramón Castillo
Hector José Campora


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 13
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on January 12, 2010, 08:55:54 AM
Manuel Quintana
Carlos Menem


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 13
Post by: Edu on January 12, 2010, 11:26:21 AM
Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner

I can't bear her (I can't say it's personal, of course, but...) and it seems to be worse and worse: every peso seems to have to be put in the "Kirchners hole" ! ;)

WTF? Kirchner? before Quintana, Figueroa Alcorta, Uriburu, Luis Saenz Peña, Castillo, Menem, De la Rua, Rodriguez Saa and Duhalde? Are you trying to get revenge on the eliminations of De Gaulle? ;D


Manuel Quintana (for the reasons i stated before)
Hector José Campora (I never really liked him and i think his time to go is coming soon [though not neccesarily now], but I'll throw a bone to fab and see if he lays off Kirchner for a while :P)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 13
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on January 12, 2010, 01:02:18 PM
Manuel Quintana
Hector José Campora


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 13
Post by: big bad fab on January 12, 2010, 04:08:49 PM
Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner

I can't bear her (I can't say it's personal, of course, but...) and it seems to be worse and worse: every peso seems to have to be put in the "Kirchners hole" ! ;)

WTF? Kirchner? before Quintana, Figueroa Alcorta, Uriburu, Luis Saenz Peña, Castillo, Menem, De la Rua, Rodriguez Saa and Duhalde? Are you trying to get revenge on the eliminations of De Gaulle? ;D


Manuel Quintana (for the reasons i stated before)
Hector José Campora (I never really liked him and i think his time to go is coming soon [though not neccesarily now], but I'll throw a bone to fab and see if he lays off Kirchner for a while :P)

Well, a reference to de Gaulle when talking about Cristina would make me vote for her until I die... but I've noticed the ;D ! ;)

Considering my Kirchner vote might have prompted Gully's Menem vote, I'm almost certain not to vote for her again for the next 5 rounds... I don't want to have this big fight before some rounds.
And it was a try...

And remember that I prefer real historic personalities, even if bad, than dull current ones...
I prefer Beria than Putin.
I prefer Clemenceau than Fillon.
I prefer Churchill than Kenneth Clarke.
I prefer Vargas than Lula.
I prefer Deng Xiaoping than... Wen Jiabao.
There are some limits, of course ;)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 14
Post by: big bad fab on January 13, 2010, 04:01:20 AM
()()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1
Round twelve: Juarez Celman 5, Lonardi 4, Quintana 1, Campora 1, Castillo 1
Round thirteen: Campora 4, Quintana 3, Castillo 1, C. Kirchner 1, Menem 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND FOURTEEN IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 14
Post by: big bad fab on January 13, 2010, 04:25:46 AM
Balcarce

Figueroa Alcorta


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 14
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on January 13, 2010, 07:52:28 AM
Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear
Vicente López y Planes


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 14
Post by: Hash on January 13, 2010, 08:05:13 AM
Ramón Castillo
José Evaristo Uriburu


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 14
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on January 13, 2010, 01:07:58 PM
José Evaristo Uriburu
Carlos Menem


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 13
Post by: Edu on January 13, 2010, 04:14:58 PM
Considering my Kirchner vote might have prompted Gully's Menem vote, I'm almost certain not to vote for her again for the next 5 rounds... I don't want to have this big fight before some rounds.
And it was a try...

Oh man, please don't tell me you are going to defend Menem in later stages, it's probably not his time yet, but it's getting dangerously close :P


José Figueroa Alcorta
José Evaristo Uriburu


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 13
Post by: big bad fab on January 14, 2010, 03:09:27 AM
Considering my Kirchner vote might have prompted Gully's Menem vote, I'm almost certain not to vote for her again for the next 5 rounds... I don't want to have this big fight before some rounds.
And it was a try...

Oh man, please don't tell me you are going to defend Menem in later stages, it's probably not his time yet, but it's getting dangerously close :P


José Figueroa Alcorta
José Evaristo Uriburu

I don't like Menem at all, don't worry, but I prefer him to the Kirchners, who are destroying, step by step, the recovery Argentina managed to reach.
If Menem is ousted, the Kirchners should go too.

I just don't like the bias in the US and in some of European countries against every South American politician who is or seems to be on the right and in favour of any "progressive" however inefficient, dull, corrupt, stupid, dangerous or anything else (s)he is...


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 14
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on January 14, 2010, 03:33:28 AM
     Juan Ramón Balcarce & José Evaristo Uriburu


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 15
Post by: big bad fab on January 14, 2010, 05:22:23 AM
()()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1
Round twelve: Juarez Celman 5, Lonardi 4, Quintana 1, Campora 1, Castillo 1
Round thirteen: Campora 4, Quintana 3, Castillo 1, C. Kirchner 1, Menem 1
Round fourteen: J.E. Uriburu 4, Balcarce 2 (0 in previous rounds+Caudillo's decision), Figueroa Alcorta 2 (0 in previous rounds), Castillo 1, Menem 1, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Lopez y Planes 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND FIFTEEN IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 15
Post by: big bad fab on January 14, 2010, 05:27:35 AM
I don't like it but I've used my dictatorial power to break a tie between Balcarce and Figueroa Alcorta (for both of whom I've myself voted !).

I've eliminated Balcarce to be coherent with the early elimination of Rosas in this survivor. Anyway, Figueroa Alcorta may well fall soon...

For this round, my vote is:

Figueroa Alcorta
Lopez y Planes


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 15
Post by: Hash on January 14, 2010, 07:54:15 AM
Ramón Castillo
José Figueroa Alcorta


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 15
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on January 14, 2010, 01:51:25 PM
José Figueroa Alcorta
Carlos Menem


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 15
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on January 14, 2010, 02:05:17 PM
Vicente López y Planes
Manuel Vicente Maza


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 15
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on January 14, 2010, 02:08:25 PM
     Vicente López y Planes & Ramón Castillo


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 13
Post by: Edu on January 14, 2010, 06:35:32 PM
I don't like Menem at all, don't worry, but I prefer him to the Kirchners, who are destroying, step by step, the recovery Argentina managed to reach.
If Menem is ousted, the Kirchners should go too.

I just don't like the bias in the US and in some of European countries against every South American politician who is or seems to be on the right and in favour of any "progressive" however inefficient, dull, corrupt, stupid, dangerous or anything else (s)he is...

Well, i strongly disagree, i think Menem should go way before Kirchner goes and it's got nothing to do with being "progressive" or "leftie" or whatever. Since this started i tried to be as objective as i can probably be and from that objectivity i can say that Nestor Kirchner was much better than Menem.

Should i start naming every scandal of corruption that happened under Menem? Most of the scandals in the Kirchner era are pretty tame compared to the hundreds of million corruption deals in the Menem era. the Swiftgate, the Yomagate (drug trafficking scandal), the rotten milk that the government bought from businessmen who backed Menem and then distributed the milk among poor people in some "charity" programs, the IBM-Banco Nacion scandal (one of the biggest bribery scandals in the Menem administration), The multiplication of our external debt, the record breaking levels of tax evasion, his environmental policies which were a piece of crap and his horrible environmental secretary (Maria Julia Alsogaray, famous for her corruption scandals) who did nothing when thousands of acres in the Patagonia burned, Menem's house in Anillaco (his home town) which had even a private airstrip and an artificial lake (the airstrip was as big as the one our second most important national airport has), and those are just some of the ones that come off the top of my head right now. Is the Kirchner administration corrupt? yes, but in a country were EVERY damn administration was corrupt, they are pretty mild in that aspect, Menem had a scandal every 1 or 2 weeks for christ sake.

And it's not just the extreme (even by our standarts) corruption. How about the time were Argentina was acting as a peace mediator between Ecuador and Peru in their 90's war and we illegally sold weapons to Ecuador. Not only that, but we also sold weapons to Croatia which was also illegal. And then to cover up their tracks they decided to blow up a military factory in Rio Tercero killing a few people in the process, i don't remember Kirchner being responsible for murder in these past years.

Also people like to criticize Kirchner for being authoritarian, but then forget that during the menem era TV shows (even in private stations) were cancelled because they revealed some corruption charge against menem. I remember a news show that got cancelled after they took images of the aforementioned Menem mansion in Anillaco. There are also several reports of beatings against journalists and even against some of the top political cartoonists (which were comedians, not even journalists). Does pressure over some of the media happen in the Kirchner administration? yes, but like in the corruption deals, that is pretty normal in our country where the media was always bribed or "threatened" in basically every single administration we ever had. It's when those "threats" actually become physical assaults or actual cancelling of the shows because of a whim of the president (Menem) or when they are killed (like in every military dictatorship we had) that i actually have a real problem with. Again, Kirchner is pretty mild in this aspect.

Of course then i have to talk about the media itself, which is largely a huge piece of sh**t, there are quite a few excellent journalists but those don't get that much attention. It's not easy to govern a country where the media is overwhelmingly against you like in Cristina's case, every move you make (be it a good one or a bad one) is criticized for days and months and the journalistic quality is pretty low. And the government has 1 public channel (compared to every other of the main channels here which are privately owned) and if they dare put a program in the friggin government channel praising the Kirchner administration then everyone is up in arms calling them "biased", so in the end, not even the government channel ends up being favorable to the government, LOL.
Menem's case was quite different, even if a lot of the media was against him (especially in the last years of his presidency) there were a lot of famous journalists and newsmen (most, if not all of them, right wing) who vigorously defended him. Now with Kirchner you are going to have a hard time finding media people defending them, right wing, left wing or whatever. I think i can count 1 newspaper that sometimes praises the government and then that's it. It's pretty strange that someone that has being criticized by basically the whole media for years now is accused of being authoritarian against that same media, I'm more inclined to say that the media overreact like they usually do (i remember during the Swine flu scare how the media was blaming Kirchner for it ROTFL)

Then i find your claim that the Kirchner's are destroying the recovery that Argentina managed to make a bit strange. The better part of the economic recovery happened under Kirchner, i know that you hate them but they helped a lot in that recovery that "Argentina" made. And i also disagree that they are destroying everything. I mean, it's no secret that the world is undergoing a global economic crisis, you can't really expect Argentina to continue to grow or have the same economic prosperity than what we had a few years ago, it was pretty obvious that we were going to suffer a blow, as did almost every other country in the world. If you don't want to credit Kirchner with the recovery, fine, but if you lay the blame entirely to their government because of an economic crisis during a period of worldwide economic instability, then i think you are grasping at straws.

It's no secret that in this country people like to whine about everything, it's a fact that most (if not more than 95% of our governments since Rivadavia) started with high or decent approval ratings and if they stayed long enough their rating would plummet straight to the bottom, it happens every single time (the only exception to this rule is probably Duhalde, who started with extremely low approval rating and ended up with decent ones). And lots of people like to complain about everything and a lot of the times they do it irrationally. Like for instance the Swine flu scare i mentioned earlier. I mean, there were people who were ripping Kirchner apart accusing them of the Swine flu, some even called them murderers and that wasn't a fringe group, lots and lots of people believed that, and it's basically impossible for the government to do ANYTHING without having loads and loads of irrational criticism. Again, it's not entirely easy to govern a country where everything bad that happens is considered your fault and everything good that happens is ignored or even attributed to the opposition. Even in things where government has little to do with it.

So yeah, a lot of people like to complain just because it's cool. They do forget that Pensioners are receiving more money today thanks to the government increases than they did in quite a while, they forget that the poorest elements in our country, while still not out of poverty are better off than years ago thanks to government social programs, that tax evasion is down, that corruption is nothing compared to what was before, etc. I am from the middle class and i see friends and family alike complain about how bad things are, but honestly i don't know how can they say that when their standart of living hasn't changed, people still travel abroad, people still buy expensive imported stuff, and people in general are still living quite well off and not living that much differently than years ago. I came to the conclusion that even when they are still well off, people like to act like everything is going to hell. I also have an uncle who doesn't live in the city of Buenos Aires, but in the province. He is a dentist in a pretty poor neighbourhood and he always told me (in the 90's for instance) that people were living like rats, there were no jobs and people didn't even receive help from the government. Nowadays, not only his dentist practice is doing much better but all of his regular clients are happy and tell him that they were never as well off as they are now and he deals with dozens of people a week. In general and in the opinion of someone that has lived in this country his whole life i can probably say that people (even now) are better off than years before (and by years, i mean decades).

Even some of the right stuff that menem did, wasn't because his great moral sense, it was because of scandals. menem got rid of the disgusting obligatory military service not because he didn't believe in it, but because a young soldier was murdered by his superiors and in the following investigation all kinds of horrible stuff that was done to young recruits regularly came to light and the public pressure was so strong that menem was forced not only to scrap the draft but also dismantle large portions of the army (which is probably the best thing menem ever did, ensuring that the military would never (or at least for some time) be in any position of taking over the country, which is a huge relief.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 15
Post by: Edu on January 14, 2010, 06:36:17 PM
Oh wow, this is my first post i actually have to cut in half ;D


On the other hand Menem did one of the most disgusting things in our recent history which is to pardon major criminals from the 70's including military heads of government of the dictatorships, mass murderers and right wing and left wing guerrillas members. That was a supposed move to pacify the country but in reality it was rightfully seen as a slap to everyone that knew someone who had perished thanks to these guys. Nowadays you could argue that the Kirchner's are more biased to left wingers, but even if it's just the right wing military heads that are put on trial again it's a step forward in my opinion because no one can actually deny that these people belong behind bars for the rest of their lives (and not in those private prisons or whatever, but among the gen pop of some scummy prison).

Also, one of the best things that Kirchner ever did was the reorganization of the Argentina supreme court.
Menem virtually controlled justice in this country by making the supreme court a puppet controlled by himself, he expanded the number of judges in the supreme court and filled every new seat with absolutely incompetent judges who only said, yes, Mr president, yes, Mr president, yes, Mr president and not much more. The head of the tribunal during the menem years, Julio Nazareno was even suspected of not even being a friggin lawyer because his knowledge of law was so slim it actually embarrassed even the first year law students. The Supreme court was a circus full of clowns with only 2 or 3 judges who actually knew what they were doing, and probably the best and most impartial judge during that era was fayt (who is still in the court by the way).
Kirchner actually proposed modifications to the court and Congress began impeachment trials against the menem puppets from the court (finally!) and one by one they started to resign or got ousted. many thought that Kirchner was going to do the same as menem, except put puppets of his own. But he actually put on the court capable, well respected and independent judges that are a lot of things, but puppets of Kirchner they are not. Sometimes they rule in favor of the government, sometimes they rule in favor of the opposition, and have proved time and time again that they became an independent body and probably the best Supreme court we had in a long, loooong time. Of course the Kirchner haters still call them puppets if they rule in favor of the government and say nothing when they rule against it, disgusting hypocrites.

Then i also reserve some lines for the opposition. People that vote against Kirchner don't actually realise the the opposition in general is much, much worse. menem? Reutemann? the incompetent ex Formula 1 pilot who was Santa Fe province governor twice and stood idle while the province was flooded by water...twice? Macri? the corrupt businessman, car smuggling, IMF lover, daddy's parasite good for nothing? Solá? the guy who was a Menem supporter, a Ruckauf supporter, a Duhalde supporter, a Kirchner supporter (he was actually a pretty huge Kirchner fan while governor of the Buenos Aires province) and now a Kirchner critic and major opposition leader? Carrio? Who has proven time and time again that she is even more authoritarian with her party than anything Kirchner ever did? Or maybe Cobos? The "honorable" vice president who fully supported Cristina when he was in the ticket that is now a major opposition figure and who votes against the government and actually campaign against it while STILL being in the vice president's office?

Seriously, when was the last time in the world that a vice president of the same party of the president in a democratic country actually campaigns against the government and even votes in the senate against it? If Biden voted against the healthcare plan or the stimulus that Obama proposed and then stayed in office i think that everyone would be up in arms calling him a traitor and he would be hanged by the balls. In this country, that guy could become head of the opposition LOL.
And i hope no one tries to argue that Cobos is from the Radical Civic Union and Kirchner is a peronist, because: 1) Being a member of a party doesn't mean much nowadays, people are judged more by who they support and less by party affiliation 2) Cobos was one of the Radicals that started supporting Kirchner fully while they were governors and Cobos was actually expelled from the party once he pledge vicepresidential support to Cristina. Now of course the radicals want him back and he is happy to oblige.

There is even more i want to write, but I'm pretty tired and i don't even know if anyone will read this huge message i wrote as it is (I'll be lucky if at least fab reads it :P), so i better stop, but this are basically some of my arguments about why Menem is worse than Kirchner and why Nestor Kirchner (Cristina can go out earlier if you want) deserves to be among the top 10 without even a remote hint of a doubt.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 15
Post by: Edu on January 14, 2010, 06:51:32 PM
Damn, i forgot to vote ;D

Vicente López y Planes
José Figueroa Alcorta


Wow, there are still a lot of irrelevant guys that need to be ousted soon before we start witht he big ones.

Castillo and Luis Saenz Peña are good candidates for the few next rounds.
And WTF is Rodriguez saá still doing here? the guy was president for 1 week and was as irrelevant as they come, plus he is a corrupt bastard who ruled the San Luis province for 18 years like a feudal king (and now the province is ruled by his brother since 2003 :P)
Arguments can be made for Pellegrini and de la Rua (who is one fo the most incompetent presidents we ever had and that's saying a lot).

Also, can we start to get rid soon of guys like Viamonte and maza? who were just guys that governed the province of Buenos Aires for a short while and where just minor historical notes compared to Rosas (they might have been more important during the early days of our independence but not anymore when they actually had the power).
Also, maybe Derqui can go his merry way soon.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 15
Post by: big bad fab on January 15, 2010, 03:20:57 AM
Well, who says the survivors aren't interesting ? :D

Thanks, Edu, for all those information.
I must say that your "everyday" examples of Argentina's political (and general) life are really interesting and useful.

Let's say that, of course, my knowledge of Argentina's politics reaches very quickly its limits.
Let's says also that Menem has already faded a bit in outside memories and one tends to judge more kindly the past... You remind us of many misdeeds I must acknowledge I haven't in memory any longer... Good point, in general and for this survivor !
Let's say that, as I've said, I prefer Beria than Putin, which says something of what I think about Menem.
Let's say that, of course, Nestor deserves to stay longer than Cristina.
Let's say that, when talking about "progressive" bias, I wasn't referring to you, as I've always noticed your sense of moderateness and fairness. I was mostly referring to French medias (and French vulgate), which are so biased and stupid on many foreign countries, but especially on South American ones.

Let's say that Menem is interesting "historically", as an object of history if you want, as he put (or tried to put) the old Peronism to the dustbin... that's because I'm more interested in him than in the Kirchners.
A bit like Andropov was more interesting than, say, Eltsin (although Eltsin was roughly democratic and Andropov remained an old style apparatchik despite some "reformist" ideas).

Oh, and I've read ALL your post ;)
I urge everybody to read it: it's in better English than my own posts, so very easy to read... ;)

BTW, I'm proud that this survivor is the first opportunity for you to cut a post ! :)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 16
Post by: big bad fab on January 15, 2010, 03:36:59 AM
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1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1
Round twelve: Juarez Celman 5, Lonardi 4, Quintana 1, Campora 1, Castillo 1
Round thirteen: Campora 4, Quintana 3, Castillo 1, C. Kirchner 1, Menem 1
Round fourteen: J.E. Uriburu 4, Balcarce 2 (0 in previous rounds+Caudillo's decision), Figueroa Alcorta 2 (0 in previous rounds), Castillo 1, Menem 1, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Lopez y Planes 1
Round fifteen: Figueroa Alcorta 4, Lopez y Planes 4, Castillo 2, Menem 1, Maza 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND SIXTEEN IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 16
Post by: big bad fab on January 15, 2010, 03:41:44 AM
Manuel Vicente Maza

Adolfo Rodriguez Saa


Why Ramon Castillo should go now? Granted, we're already in round 16, but I'm not sure.

And, guys, don't forget to read Edu's big posts, before the post on results of round 15.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 16
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on January 15, 2010, 07:20:41 AM
Manuel Vicente Maza
Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear

Good post Edu. I read all of it.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 16
Post by: Hash on January 15, 2010, 07:42:40 AM
Ramón Castillo
Manuel Vicente Maza


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 16
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on January 15, 2010, 01:08:53 PM
Manuel Vicente Maza
Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 16
Post by: Edu on January 16, 2010, 12:52:40 AM
Well, who says the survivors aren't interesting ? :D

Thanks, Edu, for all those information.
I must say that your "everyday" examples of Argentina's political (and general) life are really interesting and useful.

Let's say that, of course, my knowledge of Argentina's politics reaches very quickly its limits.
Let's says also that Menem has already faded a bit in outside memories and one tends to judge more kindly the past... You remind us of many misdeeds I must acknowledge I haven't in memory any longer... Good point, in general and for this survivor !
Let's say that, as I've said, I prefer Beria than Putin, which says something of what I think about Menem.
Let's say that, of course, Nestor deserves to stay longer than Cristina.
Let's say that, when talking about "progressive" bias, I wasn't referring to you, as I've always noticed your sense of moderateness and fairness. I was mostly referring to French medias (and French vulgate), which are so biased and stupid on many foreign countries, but especially on South American ones.

Let's say that Menem is interesting "historically", as an object of history if you want, as he put (or tried to put) the old Peronism to the dustbin... that's because I'm more interested in him than in the Kirchners.
A bit like Andropov was more interesting than, say, Eltsin (although Eltsin was roughly democratic and Andropov remained an old style apparatchik despite some "reformist" ideas).

Oh, and I've read ALL your post ;)
I urge everybody to read it: it's in better English than my own posts, so very easy to read... ;)

BTW, I'm proud that this survivor is the first opportunity for you to cut a post ! :)

The amount of scandals during the menem era were so many that it's inevitable to still remember some of those, if you look him up you'll find a lot of stuff i didn't mention ;D

I mainly post in the survivor threads and not in other sectors of the forum because I'm not really an expert in US politics (that's why I'm here :P), i like to read about it but most of the serious posters around here would probably wipe the floor with me. I don't have a lot of stuff to contribute and that's one of the reasons i like the survivor threads, especially this one where i can at last talk about something in depth instead of just reading other people thoughts on the matter

Thanks for your kind words ;)



Why Ramon Castillo should go now? Granted, we're already in round 16, but I'm not sure.

He wasn't THAT bad, but as you say we are in round 16 and this guy is living on borrowed time.
The guy was one of the "old" conservative politicians, he was elected as Ortiz Vice president (with electoral fraud obviously), but Castillo didn't favor the proposed political reforms of president Ortiz and instead of being a mediator between the government and the "oligarchs" who still wanted to run the show, he was more of an irrelevant figure who did little to support Ortiz. Ortiz was very ill and by 1940 he was basically on medical leave all the time and Castillo became de facto president and slipped Ortiz reforms under the rug. He had to balance during his term the 2 factions of the army (the pro-allies and the pro-axis) so I'm going to cut him some slack since it was a very delicate situation. He made some good decisions, but overall he represented the political dinosaurs of the past 60 years or so who still wanted to cling to power using fraud or whatever was deemed necessary. Plus he is known for his relative inaction in times where a more pro-active president was needed.
And he was also interventor of the Tucuman province under Jose Felix Uriburu, not the nicest of jobs :P (for those of you who don't know, the federal interventor of a province was the guy appointed by the president and Congress to rule a province that was deemed unstable or was threatened by an external power. More often than not though, these interventions were just ways for the government to controll the provinces using authoritarian methods that are justified as constitutional)


Thanks, at least now i know 2 guys read them for sure ;) ;D




This round i'll vote for
Manuel Vicente Maza
Ramón Castillo


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 16
Post by: Edu on January 16, 2010, 01:02:41 AM
By the way fab, i have a request for you.
After this round, could you postpone round 17 till Monday? The thing is that I'll be travelling most of the time of saturday and sunday and I'm afraid i won't be able to come around here to vote till i get settled and i know that on sunday afternoon I'm going to be completely tired and go to bed early.
So if you could skip saturday and sunday that would be greatly appreciated :)

Of course, this can happen if every regular voter here accepts and agrees to it ;)

If someone doesn't want to have a voting break then the worst thing that can happen is that i miss a couple of votes, no biggie ;)

If I'm not here by monday then by all means continue with the game.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 17
Post by: big bad fab on January 17, 2010, 10:55:08 AM
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1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1
Round twelve: Juarez Celman 5, Lonardi 4, Quintana 1, Campora 1, Castillo 1
Round thirteen: Campora 4, Quintana 3, Castillo 1, C. Kirchner 1, Menem 1
Round fourteen: J.E. Uriburu 4, Balcarce 2 (0 in previous rounds+Caudillo's decision), Figueroa Alcorta 2 (0 in previous rounds), Castillo 1, Menem 1, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Lopez y Planes 1
Round fifteen: Figueroa Alcorta 4, Lopez y Planes 4, Castillo 2, Menem 1, Maza 1
Round sixteen: Maza 5, Castillo 2 (5 in previous rounds), Torcuato de Alvear 2 (1 in previous rounds)

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND SEVENTEEN IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 17
Post by: big bad fab on January 17, 2010, 10:58:06 AM
So long as Edu hasn't voted, this round will remain open, of course.

Adolfo Rodriguez Saa
Fernando de la Rua

(far from sure I'll "win" with these 2, but I also want to target some recent ones...)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 17
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on January 17, 2010, 11:00:09 AM
Manuel Dorrego
Adolfo Rodríguez Saá

Just to get rid of irrelevant people.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 17
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on January 17, 2010, 01:20:01 PM
Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear
Carlos Menem


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 17
Post by: Hash on January 17, 2010, 05:05:27 PM
Carlos Pellegrini
Fernando de la Rúa


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 17
Post by: Edu on January 18, 2010, 07:40:51 AM
Well, i am here now, thanks fab for extending the round. Unfortunately i might only get internet access every 2 or 3 days, i will not be able to get here daily :( i do not want to be a nuisance, but these extended rounds of voting would  be great for me. At least for a couple of week until i get back to Buenos Aires.


This round i will agree with fab

Adolfo Rodriguez Saa (for all the reasons i talked about last time)
Fernando de la Rua (Well, he was an incompetent buffoon who actually puts Bush to shame in terms of who can act more like an idiot in public. De la Rua actually went to one of the most important TV shows here and when he was appearing live he didn't even got the name of the show right. Of course the peronist opposition was pretty fierce, but De la Rua was far away from reality and instead of changing the economic model, he tried to cling to it until all hell broke lose, again, he was an incompetent idiot. One of the worst aspects of his presidency was that he  [like Obama] won the election on a message of "change" and as a guy who was the opposite of Menem, most of the country was very excited about having an honest politician who would represent a new Argentina. Unfortunately he was more of the same, except more boring and more useless, he was a BIG dissapointment. Oh, and the day he resigned more than 30 people were killed in the riots of that day and the day before, not a good way to end things. I don't know if it's his time or not, but what the hell, we can eliminate more irrelevant guys later)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 17
Post by: big bad fab on January 18, 2010, 08:21:26 AM
Well, i am here now, thanks fab for extending the round. Unfortunately i might only get internet access every 2 or 3 days, i will not be able to get here daily :( i do not want to be a nuisance, but these extended rounds of voting would  be great for me. At least for a couple of week until i get back to Buenos Aires.


No problem, we'll wait for you each time.
We need your vote and we need your posts !
And that wouldn't be kind not to let you vote.

I've myself asked for some delays in Hash's French survivor.
Every "national" voter in a survivor has this right ! ;)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 18
Post by: big bad fab on January 18, 2010, 10:41:44 AM
()()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1
Round twelve: Juarez Celman 5, Lonardi 4, Quintana 1, Campora 1, Castillo 1
Round thirteen: Campora 4, Quintana 3, Castillo 1, C. Kirchner 1, Menem 1
Round fourteen: J.E. Uriburu 4, Balcarce 2 (0 in previous rounds+Caudillo's decision), Figueroa Alcorta 2 (0 in previous rounds), Castillo 1, Menem 1, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Lopez y Planes 1
Round fifteen: Figueroa Alcorta 4, Lopez y Planes 4, Castillo 2, Menem 1, Maza 1
Round sixteen: Maza 5, Castillo 2 (5 in previous rounds), Torcuato de Alvear 2 (1 in previous rounds), Rodriguez Saa 1
Round seventeen: Rodriguez Saa 3, de la Rua 3, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Menem 1, Pellegrini 1, Dorrego 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND EIGHTEEN IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 18
Post by: big bad fab on January 18, 2010, 11:00:52 AM
Wow, I didn't think my double strike would work...

Back to the past...

Juan José Viamonte
Luis Saenz Pena


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 18
Post by: Hash on January 18, 2010, 12:50:17 PM
Luis Sáenz Peña
Carlos Pellegrini


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 18
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on January 18, 2010, 01:39:06 PM
Manuel Dorrego
Santiago Derqui


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 18
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on January 18, 2010, 07:36:00 PM
     Manuel Dorrego & Luis Sáenz Peña


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 18
Post by: Edu on January 18, 2010, 10:10:59 PM
Well, i don't have much time, but at least i can be here now (though not anymore for a couple of days)

Juan Jose Viamonte
Manuel Dorrego


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 19
Post by: big bad fab on January 19, 2010, 12:16:07 PM
()()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1
Round twelve: Juarez Celman 5, Lonardi 4, Quintana 1, Campora 1, Castillo 1
Round thirteen: Campora 4, Quintana 3, Castillo 1, C. Kirchner 1, Menem 1
Round fourteen: J.E. Uriburu 4, Balcarce 2 (0 in previous rounds+Caudillo's decision), Figueroa Alcorta 2 (0 in previous rounds), Castillo 1, Menem 1, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Lopez y Planes 1
Round fifteen: Figueroa Alcorta 4, Lopez y Planes 4, Castillo 2, Menem 1, Maza 1
Round sixteen: Maza 5, Castillo 2 (5 in previous rounds), Torcuato de Alvear 2 (1 in previous rounds), Rodriguez Saa 1
Round seventeen: Rodriguez Saa 3, de la Rua 3, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Menem 1, Pellegrini 1, Dorrego 1
Round eighteen: Luis Saenz Pena 3, Dorrego 3, Viamonte 2, Pellegrini 1, Derqui 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND NINETEEN IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 19
Post by: big bad fab on January 19, 2010, 12:17:58 PM
Juan José Viamonte
Carlos Pellegrini


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 19
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on January 19, 2010, 12:28:22 PM
Juan José Viamonte
Carlos Menem


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 19
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on January 19, 2010, 12:43:01 PM
Menem
Viamonte


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 19
Post by: Hash on January 19, 2010, 04:37:47 PM
Carlos Pellegrini
Carlos Menem


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 19
Post by: Platypus on January 20, 2010, 09:16:09 AM
Pellegrini and Viamonte - it isn't quite Menem's time yet.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 19
Post by: Edu on January 21, 2010, 05:22:42 AM
Juan Jose Viamonte
Carlos pellegrini (he was one of the better presidents in a complicated era to find good presidents, so it's appropriate that Pellegrini goes now)

I'm going to be honest here, for all the reasons i stated before and looking at the list i think Menem should go out next round or the round after that one. As i said before, Menem did some good things but most of them were either for personal gain or because a scandal forced him to do it (Like eliminating the obligatory military service). Maybe you can say that a lot of the presidents still remaining were also like that, but i feel that in Menem's case everything he did was extreme in comparison. Plus he was one of the presidents who had the least amount of credible opposition during his 10 years in office. He did have maybe some relative hard times during his first 2 and his last 2 years in office but he never really faced the issue of having all media against him, the threat of military coups or an irrational opposition that blocked everything he did. Granted a lot of that has to do with him being a charismatic and skillful leader and with the bad taste the radicals left with the economic crisis but a lot of that also had to do with bribes, corruption deals, becoming a puppet of the IMF and the US, etc.

Maybe I'm biased and we'll see what happens next round, but i honestly feel that Menem should go out very soon. I'll consider eliminating Cristina after that :P


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 20
Post by: big bad fab on January 21, 2010, 09:31:12 AM
()()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1
Round twelve: Juarez Celman 5, Lonardi 4, Quintana 1, Campora 1, Castillo 1
Round thirteen: Campora 4, Quintana 3, Castillo 1, C. Kirchner 1, Menem 1
Round fourteen: J.E. Uriburu 4, Balcarce 2 (0 in previous rounds+Caudillo's decision), Figueroa Alcorta 2 (0 in previous rounds), Castillo 1, Menem 1, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Lopez y Planes 1
Round fifteen: Figueroa Alcorta 4, Lopez y Planes 4, Castillo 2, Menem 1, Maza 1
Round sixteen: Maza 5, Castillo 2 (5 in previous rounds), Torcuato de Alvear 2 (1 in previous rounds), Rodriguez Saa 1
Round seventeen: Rodriguez Saa 3, de la Rua 3, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Menem 1, Pellegrini 1, Dorrego 1
Round eighteen: Luis Saenz Pena 3, Dorrego 3, Viamonte 2, Pellegrini 1, Derqui 1
Round nineteen: Viamonte 5, Pellegrini 4, Menem 3

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND TWENTY IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 20
Post by: big bad fab on January 21, 2010, 09:43:11 AM
Santiago Derqui

Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner

and, if Menem is still here in the next round, I'll vote for him ;): considering all the other choices, his time has indeed come.
But Cristina's time has also come, I think ! ;D

And, of course, there is Péron: could you imagine, when this survivor started that he would have been in the top 18 (and probably in the top 12, as it goes) without having received ANY vote, even in the first round where, traditionally, we have many voters of any sort ?
That's a bit amazing. And that's a proof of seriousness, I think.
Congratulations to you !

BTW, when we have only 10 presidents left, I'll go back to an elimination of only one by round: that'll be fairer.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 20
Post by: Hash on January 21, 2010, 09:46:45 AM
Carlos Menem
Cristina Fernández de Kirchner


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 20
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on January 21, 2010, 10:24:11 AM


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 20
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on January 21, 2010, 04:19:21 PM
Menem
Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 20
Post by: Platypus on January 21, 2010, 07:15:30 PM
Interesting that we like both Mitre and Avellaneda.

I vote for Derqui, who Wikipedia tells me had to flee the country after a year and a half in office, and Cristina FdeK.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 20
Post by: Edu on January 21, 2010, 11:06:10 PM
I personally still think that Menem should go earlier than Cristina, but in the sake of compromise i'l vote:
Carlos Menem
Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner

Derqui should go out next round but i still don't know who to vote to go with him :P


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 21
Post by: big bad fab on January 22, 2010, 04:08:30 AM
Sort of "special" round for photos:

()()
Very funny in ther official portrait. And very funny to see her without make-up.

()()
Very funny in 1973 and very funny children...

Carlos Pellegrini's photo in previous round was really, really fine. But here...

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1
Round twelve: Juarez Celman 5, Lonardi 4, Quintana 1, Campora 1, Castillo 1
Round thirteen: Campora 4, Quintana 3, Castillo 1, C. Kirchner 1, Menem 1
Round fourteen: J.E. Uriburu 4, Balcarce 2 (0 in previous rounds+Caudillo's decision), Figueroa Alcorta 2 (0 in previous rounds), Castillo 1, Menem 1, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Lopez y Planes 1
Round fifteen: Figueroa Alcorta 4, Lopez y Planes 4, Castillo 2, Menem 1, Maza 1
Round sixteen: Maza 5, Castillo 2 (5 in previous rounds), Torcuato de Alvear 2 (1 in previous rounds), Rodriguez Saa 1
Round seventeen: Rodriguez Saa 3, de la Rua 3, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Menem 1, Pellegrini 1, Dorrego 1
Round eighteen: Luis Saenz Pena 3, Dorrego 3, Viamonte 2, Pellegrini 1, Derqui 1
Round nineteen: Viamonte 5, Pellegrini 4, Menem 3
Round twenty: C. Kirchner 5, Menem 4, Derqui 2, Torcuato de Alvear 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND TWENTY-ONE IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 21
Post by: big bad fab on January 22, 2010, 04:19:41 AM
It's indeed beginning to be difficult to choose.
I'm a bit tempted by a Péron vote, as it should come, at one moment. But...

Santiago Derqui

Bartolomé Mitre


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 21
Post by: Hash on January 22, 2010, 07:56:13 AM
Santiago Derqui
Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 21
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on January 22, 2010, 08:50:02 AM

Menem's sideburns are awesome btw.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 21
Post by: Platypus on January 22, 2010, 10:59:45 AM
Duhalde, Derqui


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 21
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on January 22, 2010, 12:54:51 PM


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 21
Post by: Edu on January 24, 2010, 11:34:06 AM
Menem was cool, no doubt about it ;D

Santiago Derqui
Nicolas Avellaneda

Yep, it is getting harder to choose. Probably Alvear (or Avellaneda if he stays) and Mitre next round.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 22
Post by: big bad fab on January 25, 2010, 03:20:33 AM
()()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1
Round twelve: Juarez Celman 5, Lonardi 4, Quintana 1, Campora 1, Castillo 1
Round thirteen: Campora 4, Quintana 3, Castillo 1, C. Kirchner 1, Menem 1
Round fourteen: J.E. Uriburu 4, Balcarce 2 (0 in previous rounds+Caudillo's decision), Figueroa Alcorta 2 (0 in previous rounds), Castillo 1, Menem 1, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Lopez y Planes 1
Round fifteen: Figueroa Alcorta 4, Lopez y Planes 4, Castillo 2, Menem 1, Maza 1
Round sixteen: Maza 5, Castillo 2 (5 in previous rounds), Torcuato de Alvear 2 (1 in previous rounds), Rodriguez Saa 1
Round seventeen: Rodriguez Saa 3, de la Rua 3, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Menem 1, Pellegrini 1, Dorrego 1
Round eighteen: Luis Saenz Pena 3, Dorrego 3, Viamonte 2, Pellegrini 1, Derqui 1
Round nineteen: Viamonte 5, Pellegrini 4, Menem 3
Round twenty: C. Kirchner 5, Menem 4, Derqui 2, Torcuato de Alvear 1
Round twenty-one: Derqui 6, Torcuato de Alvear 3, Mitre 1, Avellaneda 1, Duhalde 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND TWENTY-TWO IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 22
Post by: big bad fab on January 25, 2010, 03:26:18 AM
Poor Derqui, 6 votes, almost as many votes as Videla !

Bartolomé Mitre
Nestor Kirchner


Sorry, Edu, but, if I don't vote for Kirchner, I'd vote against Frondizi or Péron... and it's a bit too early for them.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 22
Post by: Platypus on January 25, 2010, 04:49:25 AM
Duhalde, de la Plaza


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 22
Post by: Hash on January 25, 2010, 07:54:54 AM
Eduardo Duhalde
Victorino de la Plaza


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 22
Post by: big bad fab on January 25, 2010, 08:37:21 AM
Duhalde ?!?
Wasn't he the best of the modern times ?
(Alfonsin is more a symbol and wasn't perfect)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 22
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on January 25, 2010, 09:47:34 AM
Victorino de la Plaza
Néstor Kirchner


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 22
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on January 25, 2010, 12:50:53 PM
Roque Sáenz Peña
Nicolás Avellaneda


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 22
Post by: Edu on January 26, 2010, 12:35:36 PM
Fab, Duhalde was a good president, he managed to sort of stabilize the country after the 2001 crisis and i agree that he should probably stay longer, but i wouldn't call him the best of the modern times. Not everything about his presidency were roses and his past as vicepresident and governor of the Buenos Aires province tarnish his image.

Kirchner in my opinion was the best president since the return of democracy. He should reach the top 10 at least.

Kirchner is in danger, but i think (and hope i'm right) he hasn't goten any votes yet, so i'll vote as i said before.

Bartolome Mitre
Nicolas Avellaneda


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 23
Post by: big bad fab on January 27, 2010, 04:26:02 AM
()()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1
Round twelve: Juarez Celman 5, Lonardi 4, Quintana 1, Campora 1, Castillo 1
Round thirteen: Campora 4, Quintana 3, Castillo 1, C. Kirchner 1, Menem 1
Round fourteen: J.E. Uriburu 4, Balcarce 2 (0 in previous rounds+Caudillo's decision), Figueroa Alcorta 2 (0 in previous rounds), Castillo 1, Menem 1, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Lopez y Planes 1
Round fifteen: Figueroa Alcorta 4, Lopez y Planes 4, Castillo 2, Menem 1, Maza 1
Round sixteen: Maza 5, Castillo 2 (5 in previous rounds), Torcuato de Alvear 2 (1 in previous rounds), Rodriguez Saa 1
Round seventeen: Rodriguez Saa 3, de la Rua 3, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Menem 1, Pellegrini 1, Dorrego 1
Round eighteen: Luis Saenz Pena 3, Dorrego 3, Viamonte 2, Pellegrini 1, Derqui 1
Round nineteen: Viamonte 5, Pellegrini 4, Menem 3
Round twenty: C. Kirchner 5, Menem 4, Derqui 2, Torcuato de Alvear 1
Round twenty-one: Derqui 6, Torcuato de Alvear 3, Mitre 1, Avellaneda 1, Duhalde 1
Round twenty-two: de la Plaza 3, Mitre 2 (2 in previous rounds), Avellaneda 2 (1 in previous rounds), Duhalde 2 (1 in previous rounds), N. Kirchner 2 (0 in previous rounds), R. Saenz Pena 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND TWENTY-THREE IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 23
Post by: big bad fab on January 27, 2010, 04:32:43 AM
Wow, a 4-way tie, thankfully broken by my rule.

This is the last round in which we'll eliminate 2 names.

As for me:
Nestor Kirchner
Nicolas Avellaneda


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 23
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on January 27, 2010, 01:24:40 PM
Nestor Kirchner
Nicolas Avellaneda


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 23
Post by: Platypus on January 27, 2010, 01:31:21 PM
Avallenda
Saenz Pe[n]a


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 23
Post by: Hash on January 27, 2010, 09:31:17 PM
Nicolas Avellaneda
Néstor Kirchner


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 23
Post by: big bad fab on January 28, 2010, 03:18:45 AM
It seems as if Nestor will be ousted with Avellaneda.
I wait for Edu's vote, of course (sorry, Gully, you're not a "special" voter in this survivor, we are no longer in the Irish one: but, of course, your vote is welcome ! ;)).
But, even with Gully and Edu voting for Saenz Pena, Kirchner would "win" with the tie-breaking rule.
BUT, of course, a third voter could change all this speculation...

(and you've understood that this post has only one aim: to bump the topic !)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 23
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on January 28, 2010, 11:12:13 AM
Nicolás Avellaneda
Juan Domingo Perón


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 23
Post by: Edu on January 29, 2010, 01:17:11 PM
Ok, Kirchner will apparently be ousted after all. Well, it could have been worse :P

Nicolas Avellaneda
Roque Saenz Pena (damn keyboard :P)

Well, the top 10 is looking good, there are representatives from every era and all of them with their pecularities. I think I am proud of this survivor ;D



By the way, i will not be able to appear till monday when i am back in Buenos Aires. Hope im not too annoying :P


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 24
Post by: big bad fab on January 30, 2010, 04:58:06 AM
()()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1
Round twelve: Juarez Celman 5, Lonardi 4, Quintana 1, Campora 1, Castillo 1
Round thirteen: Campora 4, Quintana 3, Castillo 1, C. Kirchner 1, Menem 1
Round fourteen: J.E. Uriburu 4, Balcarce 2 (0 in previous rounds+Caudillo's decision), Figueroa Alcorta 2 (0 in previous rounds), Castillo 1, Menem 1, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Lopez y Planes 1
Round fifteen: Figueroa Alcorta 4, Lopez y Planes 4, Castillo 2, Menem 1, Maza 1
Round sixteen: Maza 5, Castillo 2 (5 in previous rounds), Torcuato de Alvear 2 (1 in previous rounds), Rodriguez Saa 1
Round seventeen: Rodriguez Saa 3, de la Rua 3, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Menem 1, Pellegrini 1, Dorrego 1
Round eighteen: Luis Saenz Pena 3, Dorrego 3, Viamonte 2, Pellegrini 1, Derqui 1
Round nineteen: Viamonte 5, Pellegrini 4, Menem 3
Round twenty: C. Kirchner 5, Menem 4, Derqui 2, Torcuato de Alvear 1
Round twenty-one: Derqui 6, Torcuato de Alvear 3, Mitre 1, Avellaneda 1, Duhalde 1
Round twenty-two: de la Plaza 3, Mitre 2 (2 in previous rounds), Avellaneda 2 (1 in previous rounds), Duhalde 2 (1 in previous rounds), N. Kirchner 2 (0 in previous rounds), R. Saenz Pena 1
Round twenty-three: Avellaneda 6, N. Kirchner 3, R. Saenz Pena 2, J. Peron 1

In each round, you vote for the presidents or head of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND TWENTY-FOUR IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Beware ! Now you've got only 1 vote !


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 23
Post by: Platypus on January 30, 2010, 04:59:27 AM
Could you have chosen a worse photo of Nestor?

Anyway, Saenz Pe[n]a.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 24
Post by: big bad fab on January 30, 2010, 05:01:32 AM
Rivadavia

Sorry for Nestor's photo, but it's difficult to find funny photos for old presidents...


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 24
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on January 30, 2010, 09:36:45 AM
Juan Domingo Perón


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 24
Post by: Hash on January 30, 2010, 09:52:42 AM
Rivadavia


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 24
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on January 30, 2010, 10:21:12 AM


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 24
Post by: Edu on February 01, 2010, 10:36:42 PM
Roque Saenz Peña


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 25
Post by: big bad fab on February 02, 2010, 03:05:32 AM
()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1
Round twelve: Juarez Celman 5, Lonardi 4, Quintana 1, Campora 1, Castillo 1
Round thirteen: Campora 4, Quintana 3, Castillo 1, C. Kirchner 1, Menem 1
Round fourteen: J.E. Uriburu 4, Balcarce 2 (0 in previous rounds+Caudillo's decision), Figueroa Alcorta 2 (0 in previous rounds), Castillo 1, Menem 1, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Lopez y Planes 1
Round fifteen: Figueroa Alcorta 4, Lopez y Planes 4, Castillo 2, Menem 1, Maza 1
Round sixteen: Maza 5, Castillo 2 (5 in previous rounds), Torcuato de Alvear 2 (1 in previous rounds), Rodriguez Saa 1
Round seventeen: Rodriguez Saa 3, de la Rua 3, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Menem 1, Pellegrini 1, Dorrego 1
Round eighteen: Luis Saenz Pena 3, Dorrego 3, Viamonte 2, Pellegrini 1, Derqui 1
Round nineteen: Viamonte 5, Pellegrini 4, Menem 3
Round twenty: C. Kirchner 5, Menem 4, Derqui 2, Torcuato de Alvear 1
Round twenty-one: Derqui 6, Torcuato de Alvear 3, Mitre 1, Avellaneda 1, Duhalde 1
Round twenty-two: de la Plaza 3, Mitre 2 (2 in previous rounds), Avellaneda 2 (1 in previous rounds), Duhalde 2 (1 in previous rounds), N. Kirchner 2 (0 in previous rounds), R. Saenz Pena 1
Round twenty-three: Avellaneda 6, N. Kirchner 3, R. Saenz Pena 2, J. Peron 1
Round twenty-four: Roque Saenz Pena 2 (3 in previous rounds), J. Peron 2 (1 in previous rounds), Rivadavia 2 (0 in previous rounds)

In each round, you vote for the presidents or head of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND TWENTY-FIVE IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Beware ! Now you've got only 1 vote !


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 25
Post by: big bad fab on February 02, 2010, 03:08:01 AM
Rivadavia


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 25
Post by: Platypus on February 02, 2010, 04:39:40 AM
Rivadavia


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 25
Post by: Hash on February 02, 2010, 08:09:54 AM
Bernardino Rivadavia


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 25
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on February 02, 2010, 10:40:19 AM
Peron


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 25
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on February 02, 2010, 02:02:29 PM


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 25
Post by: Edu on February 03, 2010, 02:25:04 PM


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 26
Post by: big bad fab on February 04, 2010, 03:47:26 AM
()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1
Round twelve: Juarez Celman 5, Lonardi 4, Quintana 1, Campora 1, Castillo 1
Round thirteen: Campora 4, Quintana 3, Castillo 1, C. Kirchner 1, Menem 1
Round fourteen: J.E. Uriburu 4, Balcarce 2 (0 in previous rounds+Caudillo's decision), Figueroa Alcorta 2 (0 in previous rounds), Castillo 1, Menem 1, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Lopez y Planes 1
Round fifteen: Figueroa Alcorta 4, Lopez y Planes 4, Castillo 2, Menem 1, Maza 1
Round sixteen: Maza 5, Castillo 2 (5 in previous rounds), Torcuato de Alvear 2 (1 in previous rounds), Rodriguez Saa 1
Round seventeen: Rodriguez Saa 3, de la Rua 3, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Menem 1, Pellegrini 1, Dorrego 1
Round eighteen: Luis Saenz Pena 3, Dorrego 3, Viamonte 2, Pellegrini 1, Derqui 1
Round nineteen: Viamonte 5, Pellegrini 4, Menem 3
Round twenty: C. Kirchner 5, Menem 4, Derqui 2, Torcuato de Alvear 1
Round twenty-one: Derqui 6, Torcuato de Alvear 3, Mitre 1, Avellaneda 1, Duhalde 1
Round twenty-two: de la Plaza 3, Mitre 2 (2 in previous rounds), Avellaneda 2 (1 in previous rounds), Duhalde 2 (1 in previous rounds), N. Kirchner 2 (0 in previous rounds), R. Saenz Pena 1
Round twenty-three: Avellaneda 6, N. Kirchner 3, R. Saenz Pena 2, J. Peron 1
Round twenty-four: Roque Saenz Pena 2 (3 in previous rounds), J. Peron 2 (1 in previous rounds), Rivadavia 2 (0 in previous rounds)
Round twenty-five: Rivadavia 4, J. Peron 2

In each round, you vote for the presidents or head of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND TWENTY-SIX IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Beware ! Now you've got only 1 vote !


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 26
Post by: big bad fab on February 04, 2010, 04:02:07 AM
Peron has deserved to be eliminated for some rounds now, but I don't want to vote for him: it's a game, after all ;).

Roberto Maria Ortiz


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 26
Post by: Platypus on February 04, 2010, 04:52:56 AM
Ortiz


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 26
Post by: Hash on February 04, 2010, 08:05:14 AM
Roberto Maria Ortiz


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 26
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on February 04, 2010, 10:28:15 AM
Peron

*Sigh* Both Peron and Sarmiento in the final five?


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 26
Post by: big bad fab on February 04, 2010, 10:54:14 AM
Peron

*Sigh* Both Peron and Sarmiento in the final five?

I can speak only for me: Sarmiento will come soon.
Peron, well, is good to be "used" at any time ;). If I want my... "favourites" (I don't have real ones, in fact...) to win.

But I don't know what Edu will do (Hash, Hughento and me are the "old school" Peronistats ;D, but Edu has hidden his real choice for the moment... and that's a good thing !).
So, you may have an opportunity to oust Peron before the top 5.

Oh, I'm writing all those tactics whereas, in fact, I don't think like this when voting...



BTW, even if it's not very kind to other voters and may lead to a small revolt, what would you think, Gully, Hash, Hans, Edu, Hughento (PiT has dropped of the survivors), of a "special" rule that would prevent other voters from taking part in this survivor in the last 5 rounds ?

After all, you are the regular voters and maybe you wouldn't want "outsiders" to put the mess in the final rounds, after so many fine votes ?

Just an idea, just a question.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 26
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on February 04, 2010, 01:25:09 PM
Juan Domingo Perón


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 26
Post by: big bad fab on February 04, 2010, 04:10:13 PM
Same situation as in the previous round: Edu will decide: Peron is ousted in a tie with Ortiz; Peron is safe if Edu votes Ortiz.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 26
Post by: Edu on February 04, 2010, 09:54:29 PM
Roberto M Ortiz

I think Peron was a better president than a lot of people give him credit (and there are also a lot of misconceptions about him) but the real problem was when he was out of power (for instance his support of both the far left and far right wings of the party which contributed a lot to the political instability of the 60's and 70's) and his disastrous third term (especially his entourage :P). I like that he got this far because i think his first 2 terms (well, 1 and a half) were pretty good, especially the first, and because he was hugely influential on our politics since the 40's, but he shouldn't really stay much longer thanks to a lot of the other things he did after he was thrown out. I'm strongly considering eliminating him next round.

And about fab suggestion i must say that i don't think "outsiders" will start voting in the final rounds if they haven't started doing it by now :P

After Ortiz goes i reckon that in the next 2 rounds I'll vote for Peron and either Sarmiento or Duhalde.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 27
Post by: big bad fab on February 05, 2010, 02:43:01 AM
()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1
Round twelve: Juarez Celman 5, Lonardi 4, Quintana 1, Campora 1, Castillo 1
Round thirteen: Campora 4, Quintana 3, Castillo 1, C. Kirchner 1, Menem 1
Round fourteen: J.E. Uriburu 4, Balcarce 2 (0 in previous rounds+Caudillo's decision), Figueroa Alcorta 2 (0 in previous rounds), Castillo 1, Menem 1, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Lopez y Planes 1
Round fifteen: Figueroa Alcorta 4, Lopez y Planes 4, Castillo 2, Menem 1, Maza 1
Round sixteen: Maza 5, Castillo 2 (5 in previous rounds), Torcuato de Alvear 2 (1 in previous rounds), Rodriguez Saa 1
Round seventeen: Rodriguez Saa 3, de la Rua 3, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Menem 1, Pellegrini 1, Dorrego 1
Round eighteen: Luis Saenz Pena 3, Dorrego 3, Viamonte 2, Pellegrini 1, Derqui 1
Round nineteen: Viamonte 5, Pellegrini 4, Menem 3
Round twenty: C. Kirchner 5, Menem 4, Derqui 2, Torcuato de Alvear 1
Round twenty-one: Derqui 6, Torcuato de Alvear 3, Mitre 1, Avellaneda 1, Duhalde 1
Round twenty-two: de la Plaza 3, Mitre 2 (2 in previous rounds), Avellaneda 2 (1 in previous rounds), Duhalde 2 (1 in previous rounds), N. Kirchner 2 (0 in previous rounds), R. Saenz Pena 1
Round twenty-three: Avellaneda 6, N. Kirchner 3, R. Saenz Pena 2, J. Peron 1
Round twenty-four: Roque Saenz Pena 2 (3 in previous rounds), J. Peron 2 (1 in previous rounds), Rivadavia 2 (0 in previous rounds)
Round twenty-five: Rivadavia 4, J. Peron 2
Round twenty-six: Ortiz 4, J. Peron 2

In each round, you vote for the presidents or head of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND TWENTY-SEVEN IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Beware ! Now you've got only 1 vote !


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 27
Post by: Platypus on February 05, 2010, 02:59:08 AM
Duhalde


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 27
Post by: big bad fab on February 05, 2010, 03:10:31 AM
Eduardo Duhalde


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 27
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on February 05, 2010, 03:18:52 AM


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 27
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on February 05, 2010, 03:21:57 AM
Duhalde


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 27
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on February 05, 2010, 05:03:22 AM
Peron


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 27
Post by: big bad fab on February 05, 2010, 05:30:44 AM
See, Edu ?
When the survivor nears its end, there is always a bigger turnout.

I warn everybody that I keep the right to give more votes to the 6 regular voters.
I know, it's unfair, but every survivor manager can do what he wants in his survivor (in game rules, I mean).
Fortunately, all the "modern" debates are behind us now (Menem, Kirchners), so I think it will keep on being smooth.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 27
Post by: Hash on February 05, 2010, 07:54:14 AM
 Eduardo Duhalde


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 27
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on February 05, 2010, 12:55:39 PM
 Juan Domingo Perón


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 27
Post by: Edu on February 06, 2010, 07:26:31 AM
Juan Domingo Peron

He is not going out this round, but it's better to give him votes to be prepared in case of a tie :P

Yeah, Peron was hugely important in our history and i quite like him, but he should get kicked off next round.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 27
Post by: Hash on February 06, 2010, 07:39:50 AM
Nooooooooooooo :( :(


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 27
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on February 06, 2010, 08:54:10 AM


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 28
Post by: big bad fab on February 06, 2010, 09:41:31 AM
()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1
Round twelve: Juarez Celman 5, Lonardi 4, Quintana 1, Campora 1, Castillo 1
Round thirteen: Campora 4, Quintana 3, Castillo 1, C. Kirchner 1, Menem 1
Round fourteen: J.E. Uriburu 4, Balcarce 2 (0 in previous rounds+Caudillo's decision), Figueroa Alcorta 2 (0 in previous rounds), Castillo 1, Menem 1, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Lopez y Planes 1
Round fifteen: Figueroa Alcorta 4, Lopez y Planes 4, Castillo 2, Menem 1, Maza 1
Round sixteen: Maza 5, Castillo 2 (5 in previous rounds), Torcuato de Alvear 2 (1 in previous rounds), Rodriguez Saa 1
Round seventeen: Rodriguez Saa 3, de la Rua 3, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Menem 1, Pellegrini 1, Dorrego 1
Round eighteen: Luis Saenz Pena 3, Dorrego 3, Viamonte 2, Pellegrini 1, Derqui 1
Round nineteen: Viamonte 5, Pellegrini 4, Menem 3
Round twenty: C. Kirchner 5, Menem 4, Derqui 2, Torcuato de Alvear 1
Round twenty-one: Derqui 6, Torcuato de Alvear 3, Mitre 1, Avellaneda 1, Duhalde 1
Round twenty-two: de la Plaza 3, Mitre 2 (2 in previous rounds), Avellaneda 2 (1 in previous rounds), Duhalde 2 (1 in previous rounds), N. Kirchner 2 (0 in previous rounds), R. Saenz Pena 1
Round twenty-three: Avellaneda 6, N. Kirchner 3, R. Saenz Pena 2, J. Peron 1
Round twenty-four: Roque Saenz Pena 2 (3 in previous rounds), J. Peron 2 (1 in previous rounds), Rivadavia 2 (0 in previous rounds)
Round twenty-five: Rivadavia 4, J. Peron 2
Round twenty-six: Ortiz 4, J. Peron 2
Round twenty-seven: Duhalde 5, J. Peron 3

In each round, you vote for the presidents or head of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND TWENTY-EIGHT IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Beware ! Now you've got only 1 vote !


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 28
Post by: big bad fab on February 06, 2010, 09:46:27 AM
It's not very readable any longer...

We've got 6 left:
Sarmiento
Yrigoyen
Peron
Frondizi
Illia
Alfonsin

Will Peron make it to the top 5 ?

As for me, I vote for
Sarmiento

Even though I'm myself tempted to kick Peron out ;D
(a pity PiT doesn't vote any more, here: he has already voted a lot for Sarmiento)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 28
Post by: Hash on February 06, 2010, 11:17:04 AM
Hipólito Yrigoyen

Good in the context of things (when compared to the Conservative oligarchy), but at this point he was very incompetent and his failed policies only encouraged the rise of people like Uriburu and so forth. His experiment at middle-class government was a failure.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 28
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on February 06, 2010, 12:13:30 PM
Sarmiento

He isn't Perón, and we've been reading Martín Fierro in class, so...


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 28
Post by: Platypus on February 06, 2010, 01:32:41 PM
OK, time for Peron to go.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 28
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on February 06, 2010, 01:35:46 PM
Juan Domingo Perón


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 28
Post by: big bad fab on February 07, 2010, 12:11:53 PM
Mmmm... with Gully and Edu, even with Kal voting otherwise, Peron seems to be doomed... :(


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 28
Post by: big bad fab on February 08, 2010, 03:41:19 AM
No Edu ? No Gully ? No Kal ?


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 28
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on February 08, 2010, 05:34:16 AM
Busy Weekend.

Juan Domingo.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 28
Post by: Hash on February 08, 2010, 08:08:29 AM
Changing my vote to Sarmiento


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 28
Post by: big bad fab on February 08, 2010, 10:50:47 AM

No problem. I haven't put a delay for changing a vote, so it's OK.

(I doubt it will be enough, though, because I won't close the round until Edu has voted; even if Kal votes for Sarmiento, a tie will boot Peron out... :( But he really deserves to go, you know ;))


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 28
Post by: Edu on February 08, 2010, 11:49:52 AM
As i said before, Peron did a lot of good things (more than what he is usually given credit for) but he also had his flaws and did a lot of sh**t (more than what his ardent supporters would like to believe ;D)

I think this final position in the game is adequate for him

Juan Domingo Peron


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 29
Post by: big bad fab on February 09, 2010, 04:01:46 AM
()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1
Round twelve: Juarez Celman 5, Lonardi 4, Quintana 1, Campora 1, Castillo 1
Round thirteen: Campora 4, Quintana 3, Castillo 1, C. Kirchner 1, Menem 1
Round fourteen: J.E. Uriburu 4, Balcarce 2 (0 in previous rounds+Caudillo's decision), Figueroa Alcorta 2 (0 in previous rounds), Castillo 1, Menem 1, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Lopez y Planes 1
Round fifteen: Figueroa Alcorta 4, Lopez y Planes 4, Castillo 2, Menem 1, Maza 1
Round sixteen: Maza 5, Castillo 2 (5 in previous rounds), Torcuato de Alvear 2 (1 in previous rounds), Rodriguez Saa 1
Round seventeen: Rodriguez Saa 3, de la Rua 3, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Menem 1, Pellegrini 1, Dorrego 1
Round eighteen: Luis Saenz Pena 3, Dorrego 3, Viamonte 2, Pellegrini 1, Derqui 1
Round nineteen: Viamonte 5, Pellegrini 4, Menem 3
Round twenty: C. Kirchner 5, Menem 4, Derqui 2, Torcuato de Alvear 1
Round twenty-one: Derqui 6, Torcuato de Alvear 3, Mitre 1, Avellaneda 1, Duhalde 1
Round twenty-two: de la Plaza 3, Mitre 2 (2 in previous rounds), Avellaneda 2 (1 in previous rounds), Duhalde 2 (1 in previous rounds), N. Kirchner 2 (0 in previous rounds), R. Saenz Pena 1
Round twenty-three: Avellaneda 6, N. Kirchner 3, R. Saenz Pena 2, J. Peron 1
Round twenty-four: Roque Saenz Pena 2 (3 in previous rounds), J. Peron 2 (1 in previous rounds), Rivadavia 2 (0 in previous rounds)
Round twenty-five: Rivadavia 4, J. Peron 2
Round twenty-six: Ortiz 4, J. Peron 2
Round twenty-seven: Duhalde 5, J. Peron 3
Round twenty-eight: J. Peron 4, Sarmiento 3

In each round, you vote for the presidents or head of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND TWENTY-NINE IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Beware ! Now you've got only 1 vote !


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 29
Post by: big bad fab on February 09, 2010, 04:03:25 AM
So... he is out...

Sarmiento again.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 29
Post by: Hash on February 09, 2010, 08:02:15 AM
:(

Hipólito Yrigoyen


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 29
Post by: Platypus on February 09, 2010, 10:08:28 AM
Illia


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 29
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on February 09, 2010, 10:45:16 AM


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 29
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on February 09, 2010, 12:53:19 PM
Hipólito Yrigoyen


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 29
Post by: big bad fab on February 10, 2010, 03:23:53 AM
Even if we know the loser, we wait for Edu.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 29
Post by: Edu on February 10, 2010, 12:36:47 PM
Domingo Faustino Sarmiento


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 30
Post by: big bad fab on February 11, 2010, 04:36:13 AM
()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1
Round twelve: Juarez Celman 5, Lonardi 4, Quintana 1, Campora 1, Castillo 1
Round thirteen: Campora 4, Quintana 3, Castillo 1, C. Kirchner 1, Menem 1
Round fourteen: J.E. Uriburu 4, Balcarce 2 (0 in previous rounds+Caudillo's decision), Figueroa Alcorta 2 (0 in previous rounds), Castillo 1, Menem 1, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Lopez y Planes 1
Round fifteen: Figueroa Alcorta 4, Lopez y Planes 4, Castillo 2, Menem 1, Maza 1
Round sixteen: Maza 5, Castillo 2 (5 in previous rounds), Torcuato de Alvear 2 (1 in previous rounds), Rodriguez Saa 1
Round seventeen: Rodriguez Saa 3, de la Rua 3, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Menem 1, Pellegrini 1, Dorrego 1
Round eighteen: Luis Saenz Pena 3, Dorrego 3, Viamonte 2, Pellegrini 1, Derqui 1
Round nineteen: Viamonte 5, Pellegrini 4, Menem 3
Round twenty: C. Kirchner 5, Menem 4, Derqui 2, Torcuato de Alvear 1
Round twenty-one: Derqui 6, Torcuato de Alvear 3, Mitre 1, Avellaneda 1, Duhalde 1
Round twenty-two: de la Plaza 3, Mitre 2 (2 in previous rounds), Avellaneda 2 (1 in previous rounds), Duhalde 2 (1 in previous rounds), N. Kirchner 2 (0 in previous rounds), R. Saenz Pena 1
Round twenty-three: Avellaneda 6, N. Kirchner 3, R. Saenz Pena 2, J. Peron 1
Round twenty-four: Roque Saenz Pena 2 (3 in previous rounds), J. Peron 2 (1 in previous rounds), Rivadavia 2 (0 in previous rounds)
Round twenty-five: Rivadavia 4, J. Peron 2
Round twenty-six: Ortiz 4, J. Peron 2
Round twenty-seven: Duhalde 5, J. Peron 3
Round twenty-eight: J. Peron 4, Sarmiento 3
Round twenty-nine: Yrigoyen 3, Sarmiento 2, Illia 1

In each round, you vote for the presidents or head of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND THIRTY IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Beware ! Now you've got only 1 vote !


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 30 - top 4
Post by: big bad fab on February 11, 2010, 04:38:33 AM
I'm a bit sad Yrigoyen has gone. Argentina in the 1910s-1920s is a bit mythical for me. :(

Anyway,

Sarmiento should really go, now.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 30 - top 4
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on February 11, 2010, 05:10:12 AM
Sarmiento


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 30 - top 4
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on February 11, 2010, 05:29:38 AM
Sarmiento


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 30 - top 4
Post by: Platypus on February 11, 2010, 05:30:16 AM
There are two reasonable choices here, because there is a clear winner ;)

I'll vote for the other runner-up, Illia.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 30 - top 4
Post by: Edu on February 11, 2010, 11:49:12 AM
Domingo Faustino Sarmiento

I already chose the guy i want to win like 20 rounds ago ;D
Glad he is still around :)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 30 - top 4
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on February 11, 2010, 02:34:18 PM
Arturo Umberto Illia


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 30 - top 4
Post by: Hash on February 11, 2010, 03:13:12 PM
Arturo Umberto Illia


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 31
Post by: big bad fab on February 12, 2010, 04:44:42 AM
()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1
Round twelve: Juarez Celman 5, Lonardi 4, Quintana 1, Campora 1, Castillo 1
Round thirteen: Campora 4, Quintana 3, Castillo 1, C. Kirchner 1, Menem 1
Round fourteen: J.E. Uriburu 4, Balcarce 2 (0 in previous rounds+Caudillo's decision), Figueroa Alcorta 2 (0 in previous rounds), Castillo 1, Menem 1, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Lopez y Planes 1
Round fifteen: Figueroa Alcorta 4, Lopez y Planes 4, Castillo 2, Menem 1, Maza 1
Round sixteen: Maza 5, Castillo 2 (5 in previous rounds), Torcuato de Alvear 2 (1 in previous rounds), Rodriguez Saa 1
Round seventeen: Rodriguez Saa 3, de la Rua 3, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Menem 1, Pellegrini 1, Dorrego 1
Round eighteen: Luis Saenz Pena 3, Dorrego 3, Viamonte 2, Pellegrini 1, Derqui 1
Round nineteen: Viamonte 5, Pellegrini 4, Menem 3
Round twenty: C. Kirchner 5, Menem 4, Derqui 2, Torcuato de Alvear 1
Round twenty-one: Derqui 6, Torcuato de Alvear 3, Mitre 1, Avellaneda 1, Duhalde 1
Round twenty-two: de la Plaza 3, Mitre 2 (2 in previous rounds), Avellaneda 2 (1 in previous rounds), Duhalde 2 (1 in previous rounds), N. Kirchner 2 (0 in previous rounds), R. Saenz Pena 1
Round twenty-three: Avellaneda 6, N. Kirchner 3, R. Saenz Pena 2, J. Peron 1
Round twenty-four: Roque Saenz Pena 2 (3 in previous rounds), J. Peron 2 (1 in previous rounds), Rivadavia 2 (0 in previous rounds)
Round twenty-five: Rivadavia 4, J. Peron 2
Round twenty-six: Ortiz 4, J. Peron 2
Round twenty-seven: Duhalde 5, J. Peron 3
Round twenty-eight: J. Peron 4, Sarmiento 3
Round twenty-nine: Yrigoyen 3, Sarmiento 2, Illia 1
Round thirty: Sarmiento 4, Illia 3

In each round, you vote for the presidents or head of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND THIRTY-ONE IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Beware ! Now you've got only 1 vote !


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 31 - top 3 !
Post by: big bad fab on February 12, 2010, 04:58:26 AM
I think Illia was personally cleaner than Frondizi.
Illia finished "well", contrary to Frondizi.
And by being moderate and more pragmatic, he has opposed to many stupid things. He probably made it possible for democracy to last a bit longer.
Historically, what were Frondizi's real results and effective legacy ?

Therefore, I vote for

Frondizi

Illia should make it to the final.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 31 - top 3 !
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on February 12, 2010, 05:46:08 AM
Arturo Umberto Illia


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 31 - top 3 !
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on February 12, 2010, 10:36:22 AM


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 31 - top 3 !
Post by: big bad fab on February 12, 2010, 10:44:14 AM
Apart from the "Communist" survivors (Bulganin, Nagy), I "lose" every other one ! ;)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 31 - top 3 !
Post by: Hash on February 12, 2010, 11:54:33 AM
Arturo Umberto Illia


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 31 - top 3 !
Post by: Edu on February 12, 2010, 12:35:41 PM
WTF guys? You are ousting the guy i wanted to win this thing :(

I would have liked an Illia - Frondizi final, so i would have voted for Alfonsin this round, who was demonized when he was president, then during the 90's and early 2000's but wasn't really that bad. Alfonsin had some good ideas (like moving the capital of the country from Buenos Aires to Viedma) and he did some good things (maintain a relatively stable democracy still during a time where the military had quite a lot of power) but he also appointed quite a few of incompetent ministers, during his time we had our worst case of hyperinflation and congress did pass the pretty horrible "Obediencia debida" and "Punto Final" laws. He also helped to pave the way for a Menem reelection in 1995 and was widely criticized for ignoring Menem's corruption. He also wasn't a very good party leader (especially after he became president).

I don't get why you would oust what was probably the most honest politician we ever had. Illia was a good and kind man who was a doctor and helped a lot of people that couldn't afford medication or diagnosis. When he became president he lifted the restrictions against the peronists and several other parties, he increased funding for education, raised the minimun wage, made several laws protecting the workers, unemployment decreased, the economy grew, the external debt was reduced and he was overthrown by one of the worst scumbags in our history. Not to mention that there was a great media campaign focalized on ripping apart his government in every single way and openly promoting a coup, let's see how you would all deal with that :P. And when the military tried to kick him out, he refused to go and only after the army surrounded the government house did he finally accept to go.

He was criticized for winning an election with 25% of the vote when the peronist party was banned from taking part in politics, but that was the system available at the time, Illia didn't create the system, he run, won and then lifted those restrictions. Ortiz won with fraud in 1938 but IMHO he was a very good president because once in power he tried to make reform so that fraud never occurred again.
Illia was also criticized for going against the unions in some cases, but the peronist union leaders weren't exactly angels and since Peron was ousted they were not much more than thugs with a huge army of workers who followed them no matter what (and a lot of times just because Peron told them so and not because those union leaders were good :P)

I mean, i don't know if he was perfect and depending on your views you either loved the economic measures he took or hated them (i personally think he had the right idea), but in my view he was surely a lot better than every president we had. Oh and he died basically poor, that is something extremely rare here.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 31 - top 3 !
Post by: Edu on February 12, 2010, 08:53:41 PM
ROTFL i forgot to vote :P

Arturo Frondizi (not because i think he should go now, but it's a strategic vote to try to save Illia, though it's not looking good)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 31 - top 3 !
Post by: Platypus on February 13, 2010, 02:35:36 AM
I can embrace an impassioned plea, but my vote is reluctant.

Frondizi, and it's tied up :)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 31 - top 3 !
Post by: big bad fab on February 13, 2010, 06:18:20 AM
I can embrace an impassioned plea, but my vote is reluctant.

Frondizi, and it's tied up :)

The problem is that with my tie-breaking rule, Illia is out... :(

But I have one more possibility: let this open a little more and maybe Xahar or Kal will vote (even though I'm afraid Illia wouldn't be better)...

I'm very happy to agree with Edu on this: initially, I wanted Alfonsin (or Peron to be fun...) to win, but, quickly, I turned to Illia.

Let's wait a bit and come & vote guys !


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 31 - top 3 !
Post by: big bad fab on February 14, 2010, 09:07:45 AM
BUMP

Please read Edu's humble praise of Illia, who should be our survivor...
;)
Tomorrow morning (French time), it will be too late...


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 32
Post by: big bad fab on February 15, 2010, 04:21:11 AM
()()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1
Round twelve: Juarez Celman 5, Lonardi 4, Quintana 1, Campora 1, Castillo 1
Round thirteen: Campora 4, Quintana 3, Castillo 1, C. Kirchner 1, Menem 1
Round fourteen: J.E. Uriburu 4, Balcarce 2 (0 in previous rounds+Caudillo's decision), Figueroa Alcorta 2 (0 in previous rounds), Castillo 1, Menem 1, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Lopez y Planes 1
Round fifteen: Figueroa Alcorta 4, Lopez y Planes 4, Castillo 2, Menem 1, Maza 1
Round sixteen: Maza 5, Castillo 2 (5 in previous rounds), Torcuato de Alvear 2 (1 in previous rounds), Rodriguez Saa 1
Round seventeen: Rodriguez Saa 3, de la Rua 3, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Menem 1, Pellegrini 1, Dorrego 1
Round eighteen: Luis Saenz Pena 3, Dorrego 3, Viamonte 2, Pellegrini 1, Derqui 1
Round nineteen: Viamonte 5, Pellegrini 4, Menem 3
Round twenty: C. Kirchner 5, Menem 4, Derqui 2, Torcuato de Alvear 1
Round twenty-one: Derqui 6, Torcuato de Alvear 3, Mitre 1, Avellaneda 1, Duhalde 1
Round twenty-two: de la Plaza 3, Mitre 2 (2 in previous rounds), Avellaneda 2 (1 in previous rounds), Duhalde 2 (1 in previous rounds), N. Kirchner 2 (0 in previous rounds), R. Saenz Pena 1
Round twenty-three: Avellaneda 6, N. Kirchner 3, R. Saenz Pena 2, J. Peron 1
Round twenty-four: Roque Saenz Pena 2 (3 in previous rounds), J. Peron 2 (1 in previous rounds), Rivadavia 2 (0 in previous rounds)
Round twenty-five: Rivadavia 4, J. Peron 2
Round twenty-six: Ortiz 4, J. Peron 2
Round twenty-seven: Duhalde 5, J. Peron 3
Round twenty-eight: J. Peron 4, Sarmiento 3
Round twenty-nine: Yrigoyen 3, Sarmiento 2, Illia 1
Round thirty: Sarmiento 4, Illia 3
Round thirty-one: Illia 3 (4 in previous rounds), Frondizi 3 (0 in previous rounds)

In each round, you vote for the presidents or head of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND THIRTY-TWO IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Beware ! You vote for the president you want to ELIMINATE !


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 32 - finale ALFONSIN vs FRONDIZI
Post by: big bad fab on February 15, 2010, 04:26:36 AM
:( :( :(
He was a rather good man, I think.
Anyway, only our regular voters have voted and the rule was clear from the beginning. Despite letting this round open a bit more, Illia is out in a fair fight.

So let's turn to our finale. Without any surprise, I wish my other favourite to win, so

Eliminate Frondizi


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 32 - finale ALFONSIN vs FRONDIZI
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on February 15, 2010, 05:38:04 AM
Eliminate Alfonsin


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 32 - finale ALFONSIN vs FRONDIZI
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on February 15, 2010, 06:50:08 AM
Eliminate Frondizi


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 32 - finale ALFONSIN vs FRONDIZI
Post by: Hash on February 15, 2010, 08:50:31 AM
Eliminate Frondizi


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 32 - finale ALFONSIN vs FRONDIZI
Post by: Hans-im-Glück on February 15, 2010, 10:32:36 AM


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 32 - finale ALFONSIN vs FRONDIZI
Post by: big bad fab on February 15, 2010, 11:41:18 AM
It seems better than I expected ;)


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 32 - finale ALFONSIN vs FRONDIZI
Post by: Edu on February 15, 2010, 12:06:28 PM
Bah, i still don't get why you people eliminated Illia :P

As i said before, Alfonsín was a better president than what his reputation through the 90's and 2000's suggested, but i don't see him as the "best" we had. He was very good and with hindsight i would rank him highly, but even now i still think that Kirchner was (or is :P) better than him. I was ready to oust Frondizi in favor of Illia, but it didn't work, so I'll stick with what i originally planned to vote last round.

Eliminate Alfonsín.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - round 32 - finale ALFONSIN vs FRONDIZI
Post by: big bad fab on February 16, 2010, 03:57:55 AM
Good heavens !

You can't do this, guys ?!?
A tie ?!?

Well, I don't even know what to do:
the rule is the rule, but still...
and if the tie is broken by a non-regular voter, that's not really fair either...



Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor -
Post by: big bad fab on February 16, 2010, 04:22:47 AM
()

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
SURVIVOR
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
SURVIVOR
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1
Round twelve: Juarez Celman 5, Lonardi 4, Quintana 1, Campora 1, Castillo 1
Round thirteen: Campora 4, Quintana 3, Castillo 1, C. Kirchner 1, Menem 1
Round fourteen: J.E. Uriburu 4, Balcarce 2 (0 in previous rounds+Caudillo's decision), Figueroa Alcorta 2 (0 in previous rounds), Castillo 1, Menem 1, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Lopez y Planes 1
Round fifteen: Figueroa Alcorta 4, Lopez y Planes 4, Castillo 2, Menem 1, Maza 1
Round sixteen: Maza 5, Castillo 2 (5 in previous rounds), Torcuato de Alvear 2 (1 in previous rounds), Rodriguez Saa 1
Round seventeen: Rodriguez Saa 3, de la Rua 3, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Menem 1, Pellegrini 1, Dorrego 1
Round eighteen: Luis Saenz Pena 3, Dorrego 3, Viamonte 2, Pellegrini 1, Derqui 1
Round nineteen: Viamonte 5, Pellegrini 4, Menem 3
Round twenty: C. Kirchner 5, Menem 4, Derqui 2, Torcuato de Alvear 1
Round twenty-one: Derqui 6, Torcuato de Alvear 3, Mitre 1, Avellaneda 1, Duhalde 1
Round twenty-two: de la Plaza 3, Mitre 2 (2 in previous rounds), Avellaneda 2 (1 in previous rounds), Duhalde 2 (1 in previous rounds), N. Kirchner 2 (0 in previous rounds), R. Saenz Pena 1
Round twenty-three: Avellaneda 6, N. Kirchner 3, R. Saenz Pena 2, J. Peron 1
Round twenty-four: Roque Saenz Pena 2 (3 in previous rounds), J. Peron 2 (1 in previous rounds), Rivadavia 2 (0 in previous rounds)
Round twenty-five: Rivadavia 4, J. Peron 2
Round twenty-six: Ortiz 4, J. Peron 2
Round twenty-seven: Duhalde 5, J. Peron 3
Round twenty-eight: J. Peron 4, Sarmiento 3
Round twenty-nine: Yrigoyen 3, Sarmiento 2, Illia 1
Round thirty: Sarmiento 4, Illia 3
Round thirty-one: Illia 3 (4 in previous rounds), Frondizi 3 (0 in previous rounds)
Round thirty-two: Frondizi 3 (3 in previous rounds), Alfonsin 3 (0 in previous rounds)

Hail for the Survivor !

()

Power is a heavy task...

Eventually, Frondizi made it to the final round after a tie, but he lost after a tie: maybe that's a fair result among the top 3, who weren't so far away one from another.

Big thanks to our 7 regular voters (I don't forget PiT) and to Edu.
It was a fine and respectful survivor, with mostly fair and "clever" results.
I enjoyed it a lot.


Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - our survivor ALFONSIN prevails over Frondizi !
Post by: Edu on February 17, 2010, 08:33:25 AM
Not my favorite, but the guy who won was decent enough ;)

Thanks fab for running this survivor, i enjoyed it a lot and it gave me the chance to speak about something i know a bit about. You did a great job and thanks for accepting my annoying dissapearings.



Title: Re: Argentina's Presidents Survivor - our survivor ALFONSIN prevails over Frondizi !
Post by: big bad fab on February 17, 2010, 10:30:58 AM
Not my favorite, but the guy who won was decent enough ;)

Thanks fab for running this survivor, i enjoyed it a lot and it gave me the chance to speak about something i know a bit about. You did a great job and thanks for accepting my annoying dissapearings.



You're welcome.
Thanks for your comments and "enlightenment" on Argentina's presidents.
This survivor hasn't reached a very big turnout, but was followed by very regular voters and hasn't been disturbed by partisan votes. That's really fine.

If you want to manage one on Mexican presidents, for example (see the stickied topic of this board...), do not hesitate ;D