Talk Elections

I had Chemistry today, just got back. My lab partner noticed my Kerry/Edwards button on my backpack. He said "so you're voting Kerry too huh?"

I replied yes of course and he said "yeah, I am, I just registered, I normally don't care about voting but I heard rumors about Bush wanting to reinstate the draft, so I'm not taking any chances."

I smiled.

Goebbels would be proud.

Both sides pick up votes by lying. The GOP, a few. The Dems, most.

The moral of the story?  WHen stupid people vote democrats win.

If we win, we should actually do all this stuff they say we're going to

you want to be drafted Philip?

My eye sight sucks too much to be drafted

GIGO.  Same crap, different smell.  You Demwits think that the more you tell the lie, the more it becomes the truth.  Keep it up...it sounds so pitiful.

Doesn't always work. Ask Tom Daschle come the morning of November 3rd.

I am quite well aware that John Kerry would be more likely to start a draft than GWB, because there are certain amounts of the military that won't work under him.

Unless he doesn't want a military, of course.

Shankbear, keep up the good work with the generalizations. After all, being from Texas, you must be a gun-toting hick with no brain much like I am a fool for being a Democrat. Please.

This is dumb. There are 1,000 better reasons to dump Bush than this. And for the record, my eyesight sucks, too.

Last I checked, most college educated voters were polling towards Kerry

I wouldn't even bother.  I don't use the word lightly, but I can confidently say that shankbear is a troll; approximately 90% of his posts are nothing but inflammatory posts talking about either the evil "LIBS" or how horrible "sKerry" is, and at least a third to half of them are only one line long.  I checked, just to make sure I wasn't overestimating things.

And most are educated beyond their intelligence.

Lets see how this works. You're in the army, serving the people of your nation. Those people elect Kerry. You leave the army.

Que?

Why would you even think of making that comparison?

There won't be a draft. The bill by Hagel was defeated 402-2 in the the House. That'll happen to any other bill on a draft that comes up.

Happened after GHWB lost his re-election bid.  A stop loss had to be put in place since so many people that were close to retiring wanted out early just so Clinton's name wouldn't appear on their discharge paperwork.

Just be glad there are uneducated and easily indoctrinated kids. Which is what's next - he'll be assimilated easily by the professors and leftist academics who attempt to do so.

Having been there, it's amazing to watch this process work. I always applauded the ones who resisted it.

Is this the University of Minnesota? The hotbed of a field of inquiry which employs Marxism, feminism, new historicism, revisionist history, etc., all under the umbrella of "critical theory." If so, he doesn't have a chance.

hehehe . . . possibly.

It just saddens me that the new generation voters haven't learned from our past, and bothered to do the research into the issues in this election, like the draft.  It was the Democrats who drafted the new draft resolution and brought it up for a vote, and then voted against it, and then accused the President of trying to reinstate the draft.  I think just hearing Kerry mention that word would push people away from him since it is such an obvious ploy.

I agree. They're impressionable at an early college age too, so it's too bad. Rangel started talking about a draft as early as late 2002, if I recall. All a person had to have been doing was paying attention.

I think, though, higher ed is changing a bit in that it's becoming more business and task oriented and less about the arts - it's unfortunate to lose that or any facets of education, but if Marx and so forth go with it it's not all bad.

Goebbels created the big lie theory of propaganda.  Tell a lie, make it huge.  Then keep telling it over and over despite all evidence to the contrary.  People will start believing the lie because it does not go away. 

It works because, as Hitler put it, "How fortunate for those in power that people do not think."

Did you get beat-up on the playground, Philip?

You're full of sh**t and you know it.

Did electing Clinton result in an exodus from the military?

If replacing a WWII vet who had successfully commanded the Gulf War with Clinton wasn't a problem, replacing an incompetent draft dodger with a war hero with significant Senate experience isn't going to be a problem.

Ironic, ain't it?  Democrats gaining advantage from false draft paranoia, that is.

After all, it was U.S. congressman Chuck Rangel (democrat) who called for congress to reinstate the draft.  And when he did so, it was not only the republicans in congress, but also their minions on FOX, CNN, and other news outlets that were so dead set against it.  Rangel called it "shared sacrifice" and pushed it hard.  Luckily it was voted down, by over 400 congressman.  Over 400!  Does your buddy seriously think a draft is likely?  Would you prefer to let him?

Why should anyone think for himself anyway?  What advantage could there possibly be in that, when to do so would only force one into the awkward situation of the unprejudiced little boy in the tale of the emperor's new clothes? 

Minnesota State University, but almost as liberal. Your description fits here too. Plus my campus is involved in a "non-partisan" effort encouraging kids to vote by handing out "voter guides" which are put out by a pro-Communist organization, had a bunch of free showings of Fahrenheit 9/11, and lets the Kessel Peace Institute give weekly talks near the center of campus about how the war in Iraq is a corporate funded imperialism venture to benefit the military-industrial complex.

All you have to do is scroll up to see my post regarding this.  In fact, yes, there was an exodus of the military requiring selected stop losses to be put in place in key positions.

http://personal.sdf.bellsouth.net/b/o/bondibox/Tim_Ryan_Redux.mp3

It cuts both ways. How many Bush voters sincerely believe that Kerry will ban all guns if elected? Or that he supports tax increases for everyone? Or that he supports nationalizing the health care industry and banning all private hospitals? Or any other such. Both sides benefit from this and encourage it when it helps them, if only tacitly.

Powell, and a few others did.

Once again a Bush supporter is wrong on the facts. Powell completed his tour as chairman of the JCS and retired like all past chairmen.

The choice:

Join the Bushies and vote for more faith-based policy.
Or vote for reality-based policy and vote for change.

Well, we weren't at war then, were we?  This situation is a tad different now.

Rangel not Hagel

Pretty bad when the dems have to spread a totally false rumor. 

If a draft is completely out of the question, why hasn't Bush cut the Selective Service registration system? Save millions that is spend in Democratic Maryland.

Has Bush's foreign policy made a draft more likely?

He didn't stay, and he could have.

I guess it was the same reason Jimmy Carter started the system.  To provide a pool and that is why it has been maintained by Carter, Reagan, GHW Bush, and Clinton.  Are you suggesting that Jimmy Carter favored the draft, and all have favored a draft?  Or is it just defective interest?

CI is a troll.

Anyone that claims W supports the draft because he hasn't gotten rid of the Selective Service simply is not a credible person. They are a liar misrepresenting themselves, in all likelihood, to be so ignorant of reality.

Because nobody really cares just how much you and your kind hate Kerry.

I wish he would answer my question.  Does he thind that all presidents since Carter favored restarting the draft.

troll of the day.....Kerry is a feckless crapweasel

nah, he just wants to pick a fight.  I like to read his posts, generally.  Spunky.  And unorthodox.  But of course he's misinterpreting the draft rumors, as in, taking them too seriously.  As are many folks.  But then that was the whole point of the propaganda.   Propaganda need not be true, just effective, right?  As Ed Rollins, Republican spinmeister extraordinaire, said, "The object is simply to win."  Republicans play that game pretty well to, just like the Dems do.  Best not to get one's panties all knotted up over these things.   Anyway, it's hard to call a Navy man a coward.  I'd say the same thing about John Kerry.  Questioning US foreign policy is not unpatriotic.  CI is dead wrong, and doesn't take the terrorism threat seriously perhaps, and maybe even enjoys playing you just a bit more than is proper, but he's not a troll.

Collective is da man.  He has consistently had the best predictions in Atlasia.

Yes, I went to the U of M for a short time.  Everybody I knew who went there dropped out.  The teachers have a my-way-or-the-highway mentality about teaching and yes, every one is a leftist.  Especially those that teach politics, but even Wellstone was far too left for some students which gave me some hope.  Still, it was a horrible college and I was glad to leave.

A few of my friends ended up going to MSU-Mankato, which is not as left but through my talks with them over the years, the ones that vote vote Libertarian.  MSU-Mankato is the cheapest college in the state, heavily subsidized, but still when government tightened the belt on the fatcats in the MnSCU system and the University of Minnesota; that did not prevent those colleges passing the buck onto the student.   Then the fatcats could keep their coushy, worthless positions, and students would get screwed. 

Everything I have experienced with these colleges has just made me more libertarian.  Private institutions are the only safeguard because it puts the choices back in the hands of students and parents.   Think, when a college or school pays it's worthless board members too much and the cost is passed onto the student, you can choose one that doesn't do that.  Sure you can choose a different college now but you sacrifice quality.  Competition encourages more efficency, which gives you better quality for less.