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Title: Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: MAS117 on March 10, 2004, 11:52:34 PM
Demrepdan-

Make final changes to your constitution (ie removing the House of Rep. part and change what we voted on in dunn's thread the initial vote for the constitution. Present the forum with a final product so we can vote on it and offically swear in the President, Vice President, and Cabinet members.


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Nym90 on March 11, 2004, 12:06:02 AM
Sounds like a good plan to me. :) I support this.


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Demrepdan on March 11, 2004, 12:57:51 AM
So far the only change that I must make to my constitution is the Legislature. I need to give ALL power to the Senate. However, the rules for impeachment may change a bit......

Everyone agreed on 5 regions....everyone agreed on governors......everyone agreed on the Supreme Court....so those aspects of my Constitution won't change. However, I want to make sure ALL lose ends are closed up. Does everyone approve of my elections rules?

51 Posts to be President.......30 Posts to be Senator...18 Posts to vote......must register 10 days before any election......all candidates must announce their candidacy 20 days before any election (Of course if you're running as a Democrat or Republican you may have to register sooner for the Primary....in which case each political party must have their nominee placed on the ballot 20 days before the election.)  If you want any change on these rules......please inform me.....

Also...what about my rules for the terms......ALL senate seats are up at the SAME time....Presidential Elections occur every 4 months. Senate elections occur every 4 months (I might change it to 2 months since we won't have a House of Representatives.) All appointed officers will be in their office at the President's will.......and how about the BIG one....that people may complain about.......my 2 consecutive term rule?

Some people have said they wish to see a ONE term rule......and you cannot run EVER again after one term (I think this is just plain stupid). Some have said....you can't serve more than ONE consecutive term....meaning after 4 months your time is up....and you must wait another 4 months to run...(more reasonable....but I still don't like it much). Some have suggested that you can't serve more than 2 terms....and then never again......

I need final approval on how long the President serves.....so everyone tell me how it should be......as you did in the other thread....

Before you vote.....keep these things in mind...

1. You may think it is fair for the President to serve and then never serve again....because then it will allow more
opportunity for people to serve as President.......but that means that sooner or later EVERYONE who wants to be President will get a shot at being President.....even if they don't deserve it......why? because everyone who was a good President has served....and can never run again due to a stupid term limit rule. Giving term limits to make it FAIR doesn't really make it FAIR. I'm all for fair elections.....everyone deserves a shot to get involved in Fantasy Politics........but how could the MAJORITY of you be against the House of Representatives (which would undoubtedly allow more opportunity for involvement in Fantasy Politics)...but you're FOR the term limits??

You're saying one thing and doing another.....you like term limits because it allows more people a shot at the Presidency and their involvement in the Fantasy Elections......but you are against the House of Representatives which would insure more chances for people to hold a position in the Fantasy Elections.


2. The reason I wrote in that the President can not serve more than two consecutive terms is because it WOULD allow (as we all want) more opportunity for people to run.....but if that President wants to run again in the future.....let it be the people who decide if he or she deserves another shot...(remember....he has to get through his political party first). Adding term limits takes away all competition.....why run for the office? You’re just gonna get to be President sooner or later....once everyone has had a shot....

Anyway....would every please state which you are for....


Plan One: President cannot serve more than 2 consecutive terms (My Current Plan)
Plan Two: President cannot serve more than 2 terms. (Can never run again after 2 terms)
Plan Three: President cannot serve more than 1 consecutive term. (President must wait 4 months to run again)
Plan Four: President cannot serve more than 1 term. (One term and you’re out forever.)
Plan Five: NO term limits whatsoever. (President can serve as many terms in a row as he wishes.)


My intension at the moment is to make the same rules apply for the Vice President as President......so if you vote for plan 4.....that’s how it will be for the Vice President too...(if you’re that staunch about allowing everyone a shot at the Presidency....you should be equally abhorred with the Vice President's term in office....)


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: MAS117 on March 11, 2004, 02:41:33 AM
plan 2
everything llookds good


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Platypus on March 11, 2004, 02:45:10 AM
Not everyone agreed on a supreme court, but whatever :p

I'll give my personal follow up to your questions :)

I agree with the posts/time requirements

Senate seats need to be staggered, absolutely. If the presidential election is every four months, this is a plan that would work (although I'd prefer elections every fortnight)

Start of first Month: Presidential election
Start of second month: Senatorial regions 1,2,3 Senators "A"
Start of third month: Senatorial regions 4,5 Senator "A"; Senatorial regions 1,2 Senator "B"
Start of fourth month: Senatorial regions 3,4,5 Senator "B".

This is an election every month, with three sentors for second and fourth, and four for the third (midterm) election, one for all but 1 region.

Trust me here, 2 months with no elections will get boring very very quickly


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Demrepdan on March 11, 2004, 02:45:53 AM
I vote for Plan One.

Senate terms should be four months, with half the Senate elected every two months.
There should be 35 posts to be president., to keep with the analogy.
Impeachment should require 50% to institute and 3/4 for a conviction, as in real life, with a mock trial in between the votes.

It's actually 2/3 vote need for conviction....not 3/4....if you want to keep the analogy......


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Platypus on March 11, 2004, 02:51:25 AM
I like two consecutive term rule, but we need a limit of total possible terms.

Perhaps three, so that they can run as a VP candidate? Because they aren't allowed to be consecutive, it would make them wait for a term so there couldn't just be a ticket switch.


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Demrepdan on March 11, 2004, 03:05:22 AM
Oh yeah......one more thing in which I need everyone's opinion on.......do you think in SPECIAL cases......the public should have a say (vote)?

Like......in order for someone to be impeached.....the Chief Justice of the Forum.....OR the President Pro Tempore of the Forum must call for the impeachment of the person......and then conduct a POLL to the people......if the poll gets the majority for YES on impeachment......then the person is impeached......and then the SENATE must REMOVE the person from office......with 2/3'rds vote? How does that idea sound to you guys?

And how about in the case of Regional Redistribution......or Amendment Ratification? Should the public vote on that.....and all that be needed is a majority vote with the poll......but it does not FULLY pass unless the SENATE votes 2/3rds? But both the public and Senate must pass it....

How does that sound?

Or should the SENATE have total control of everything??

This idea of the public's involvement almost sounds like the House of Representatives.....so maybe it's not a good idea.....

Let me know what you guys think....

Keep in mind the public would only have a say (vote) in CERTAIN situations....such as the ones aforementioned.



Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: minionofmidas on March 11, 2004, 03:11:15 AM
I vote for Plan One.

Senate terms should be four months, with half the Senate elected every two months.
There should be 35 posts to be president., to keep with the analogy.
Impeachment should require 50% to institute and 3/4 for a conviction, as in real life, with a mock trial in between the votes.

It's actually 2/3 vote need for conviction....not 3/4....if you want to keep the analogy......
It's a typo...


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: dunn on March 11, 2004, 05:21:42 AM
the votes on what we want is still not over


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Emsworth on March 11, 2004, 06:48:46 AM
Before we continue, I wish to move some amendments that are merely for the sake of form - I hope that the others would pardon me for nitpicking. Firstly, Article II, Section 1, Clauses 2; Article II, Section 2, Clause 4; and Article V, Clause 1 all use the second person. I suggest that these clauses be changed into the third person as follows:

II.i.2: From "No person shall be President unless they have an avatar declaring a residency in the United States.  If you live outside of the United States this does not rule you ineligible from the office of President, however, you must first establish a residency by putting up an avatar declaring which state you are from " To "No person shall be President unless he or she has an avatar declaring a residence in the United States." I feel that the second sentence is unnecessary, as the first already states that an "avatar," not actual residence, is necessary.

II.ii.4 From "All elections must be public vote. You must also have an avatar from the United States,
and declare which state you are casting your vote from. Vote casts are official, once the ballot has been cast you may not ask for a new one. " To "All elections must be public vote. No person shall vote unless he or she shall have avatar declaring the state from which the vote is cast. All votes cast shall be deemed official and may not be amended or rescinded by the voters."

V.1 From "No person shall ever hold duel [sic] offices at the forum. If you desire to hold a new position you must first resign from your old position before taking office. All elected and appointed
officials must be sworn in before they can exercise any of their duties. The oath they must take is as follows; I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of (office name), and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the Atlas Forum, so help me Dave." To "No person shall ever hold two offices at the forum, save that an member of the Senate shall serve as its President [pro tempore]. Any person desiring to take a new position shall first resign from their previous position before taking office. All elected and appointed officials shall take an oath or make an affirmation before taking office, the said oath or affirmation being: [...]"


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: dunn on March 11, 2004, 07:01:19 AM
with changes from uni-cahmber to 'so help me dave' it is a mix of the progressive party's draft ans Demrepdan.

as fot president's term I vot prop.1 which is the one on both drafts.



Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: YRABNNRM on March 11, 2004, 12:08:43 PM
So far the only change that I must make to my constitution is the Legislature. I need to give ALL power to the Senate. However, the rules for impeachment may change a bit......

Everyone agreed on 5 regions....everyone agreed on governors......everyone agreed on the Supreme Court....so those aspects of my Constitution won't change. However, I want to make sure ALL lose ends are closed up. Does everyone approve of my elections rules?

51 Posts to be President.......30 Posts to be Senator...18 Posts to vote......must register 10 days before any election......all candidates must announce their candidacy 20 days before any election (Of course if you're running as a Democrat or Republican you may have to register sooner for the Primary....in which case each political party must have their nominee placed on the ballot 20 days before the election.)  If you want any change on these rules......please inform me.....

Also...what about my rules for the terms......ALL senate seats are up at the SAME time....Presidential Elections occur every 4 months. Senate elections occur every 4 months (I might change it to 2 months since we won't have a House of Representatives.) All appointed officers will be in their office at the President's will.......and how about the BIG one....that people may complain about.......my 2 consecutive term rule?

Some people have said they wish to see a ONE term rule......and you cannot run EVER again after one term (I think this is just plain stupid). Some have said....you can't serve more than ONE consecutive term....meaning after 4 months your time is up....and you must wait another 4 months to run...(more reasonable....but I still don't like it much). Some have suggested that you can't serve more than 2 terms....and then never again......

I need final approval on how long the President serves.....so everyone tell me how it should be......as you did in the other thread....

Before you vote.....keep these things in mind...

1. You may think it is fair for the President to serve and then never serve again....because then it will allow more
opportunity for people to serve as President.......but that means that sooner or later EVERYONE who wants to be President will get a shot at being President.....even if they don't deserve it......why? because everyone who was a good President has served....and can never run again due to a stupid term limit rule. Giving term limits to make it FAIR doesn't really make it FAIR. I'm all for fair elections.....everyone deserves a shot to get involved in Fantasy Politics........but how could the MAJORITY of you be against the House of Representatives (which would undoubtedly allow more opportunity for involvement in Fantasy Politics)...but you're FOR the term limits??

You're saying one thing and doing another.....you like term limits because it allows more people a shot at the Presidency and their involvement in the Fantasy Elections......but you are against the House of Representatives which would insure more chances for people to hold a position in the Fantasy Elections.


2. The reason I wrote in that the President can not serve more than two consecutive terms is because it WOULD allow (as we all want) more opportunity for people to run.....but if that President wants to run again in the future.....let it be the people who decide if he or she deserves another shot...(remember....he has to get through his political party first). Adding term limits takes away all competition.....why run for the office? You’re just gonna get to be President sooner or later....once everyone has had a shot....

Anyway....would every please state which you are for....


Plan One: President cannot serve more than 2 consecutive terms (My Current Plan)
Plan Two: President cannot serve more than 2 terms. (Can never run again after 2 terms)
Plan Three: President cannot serve more than 1 consecutive term. (President must wait 4 months to run again)
Plan Four: President cannot serve more than 1 term. (One term and you’re out forever.)
Plan Five: NO term limits whatsoever. (President can serve as many terms in a row as he wishes.)


My intension at the moment is to make the same rules apply for the Vice President as President......so if you vote for plan 4.....that’s how it will be for the Vice President too...(if you’re that staunch about allowing everyone a shot at the Presidency....you should be equally abhorred with the Vice President's term in office....)

Plan One


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: ilikeverin on March 11, 2004, 12:15:30 PM
I too vote Plan 1


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Nation on March 11, 2004, 01:05:38 PM
I support plan one, I guess.

I also like your method impeachment, Dan. I think most people would agree that that is fair.

Once the Constitution is finally figured out, I think we should talk about an 'event writer' of some sort to come up with scenarios and events, etc, for the the Atlas Administration.


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Gustaf on March 11, 2004, 03:41:49 PM
I, after some hesitation, vote plan 1. I oppose the state avatar requirement, we didn't have that for the last election, no need to change it.


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Huckleberry Finn on March 11, 2004, 04:13:07 PM
I vote for plan 2
 
I also would suggest following

200 posts to be President or Judge of Supreme Court
100 posts to be Senator or Governor
50 posts to vote

Why? You can make 35 posts in day. But it takes more time to get really into the Fantasy Election.


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: MAS117 on March 11, 2004, 05:19:53 PM
I vote for plan 2
 
I also would suggest following

200 posts to be President or Judge of Supreme Court
100 posts to be Senator or Governor
50 posts to vote

Why? You can make 35 posts in day. But it takes more time to get really into the Fantasy Election.

I agree with everything besides 50 votes to post, if you are resigestered and you have lik 30 thats ok...


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Demrepdan on March 11, 2004, 10:03:42 PM
I never wanted to have the 35 posts to keep the analogy to real life. 35 posts would make you a Newbie....and I don't think ANY newbie should have the chance at the Presidency....

So how about this..... 101 Posts to be President or Supreme Court Justice.....(that would make you a Full Member) ....51 Posts to be in the Senate....(that would make you a Junior Member).......and 18 to 20 posts to vote.


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: MAS117 on March 11, 2004, 10:06:21 PM
I never wanted to have the 35 posts to keep the analogy to real life. 35 posts would make you a Newbie....and I don't think ANY newbie should have the chance at the Presidency....

So how about this..... 101 Posts to be President or Supreme Court Justice.....(that would make you a Full Member) ....51 Posts to be in the Senate....(that would make you a Junior Member).......and 18 to 20 posts to vote.

sounds good


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Demrepdan on March 11, 2004, 10:20:12 PM
Here's another thing I forgot to ask you guys........who should be the leader of the Senate in the absences of the VP.......the President Pro Tempore of the Senate.......or should we have a Speaker of the Senate...or perhaps BOTH......or maybe a President Pro Tem of the Senate and a Speaker of the Forum? Or.....what....??


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Demrepdan on March 11, 2004, 10:43:25 PM
Another thing.........*sigh*.......since you guys voted against the creation of the House of Representatives....I was thinking of boosting up the number of the Senate.......instead of 2 Senators per region......(making it 10 Senators in all)........I was thinking of making it FOUR Senators per region (making it 20 Senators in all)...which would allow more people to have a Senate seat.....and also have more voices in the Legislative body. Because lets face it......a 10 member Senate is more like a council....and not a legislative body.....

And if you don't like 4 Senators per region...how about at least 3? However, with 3 Senators that would make it 15 total Senators...which would mean we would NEVER need the VP to break a tie.....unless some Senators don't vote on a bill or something.....

But again...I strongly support 4 Senators per regions (20 total Senators)....the less Senators we have.......the more of a council it looks like.....


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: 12th Doctor on March 11, 2004, 10:52:03 PM
Another thing.........*sigh*.......since you guys voted against the creation of the House of Representatives....I was thinking of boosting up the number of the Senate.......instead of 2 Senators per region......(making it 10 Senators in all)........I was thinking of making it FOUR Senators per region (making it 20 Senators in all)...which would allow more people to have a Senate seat.....and also have more voices in the Legislative body. Because lets face it......a 10 member Senate is more like a council....and not a legislative body.....

And if you don't like 4 Senators per region...how about at least 3? However, with 3 Senators that would make it 15 total Senators...which would mean we would NEVER need the VP to break a tie.....unless some Senators don't vote on a bill or something.....

But again...I strongly support 4 Senators per regions (20 total Senators)....the less Senators we have.......the more of a council it looks like.....

I wish to stick with two.


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Peter on March 11, 2004, 10:55:18 PM
If we do four we could stagger them at one election a month.


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Beet on March 11, 2004, 10:57:01 PM
I support staying with 2.


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Demrepdan on March 11, 2004, 11:16:14 PM
If we do four we could stagger them at one election a month.

That's what I was thinking....if Senators serve 2 month terms......then we need to stagger them where we have Senatorial Elections each month.......with half of the Senate seats up for grabs.......but as it looks now.....we will have 2 Senators per region....and if that's the case I will NOT stagger the elections for a measly 10 Senators.......


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Demrepdan on March 11, 2004, 11:26:11 PM
Which makes me think of something else......should we have 4 month terms for Senators or 2 month? Because if we have 4 month that means that EVERY elected postition at the forum is 4 months in length....which would mean that everyone would have to wait 4 months to get involved in the next election......people don't like to wait......

Of course.....perhaps Gubernatorial elections can be held every 2 months or even every month...or every 6 months...or 9 months....or year....or whatever........because it's up to the regions how long their Governor serves.......

UNLESS.....you guys want me to strip that right from the regions....and dictate to them that they must hold Gubernatorial elections every 2 months or something....which I would write in......again.....I need all of your feedback.....


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: 12th Doctor on March 11, 2004, 11:27:22 PM
If we do four we could stagger them at one election a month.

That's what I was thinking....if Senators serve 2 month terms......then we need to stagger them where we have Senatorial Elections each month.......with half of the Senate seats up for grabs.......but as it looks now.....we will have 2 Senators per region....and if that's the case I will NOT stagger the elections for a measly 10 Senators.......

But we don't want to have election too often or else there would be NO stability at all.


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: 12th Doctor on March 11, 2004, 11:28:01 PM
If we do four we could stagger them at one election a month.

That's what I was thinking....if Senators serve 2 month terms......then we need to stagger them where we have Senatorial Elections each month.......with half of the Senate seats up for grabs.......but as it looks now.....we will have 2 Senators per region....and if that's the case I will NOT stagger the elections for a measly 10 Senators.......

But we don't want to have election too often or else there would be NO stability at all.

And after a while it would just get confusing and over done.


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Platypus on March 12, 2004, 12:11:56 AM
Has anyone actually read my proposal? It would give every region an election every two months or so; meaning that people wouldnt have to wait all that long for an election they can contest, plus it also means that senators do serve for four months.


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Demrepdan on March 12, 2004, 12:18:04 AM
Has anyone actually read my proposal? It would give every region an election every two months or so; meaning that people wouldnt have to wait all that long for an election they can contest, plus it also means that senators do serve for four months.

Could you post a link to your proposal here?.....so everyone can read it again....and people can express their opinons on it right here on this thread which will finalize the constitution.


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Platypus on March 12, 2004, 12:25:52 AM
It's on page one of this thread, and I've probably presented it five times by now in various places :p


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: minionofmidas on March 12, 2004, 01:04:48 AM
Four months terms for Senators please.
Having for Senators per region and an election every months doens't sound too bad...Although in that case four regions are enough. Which means we could use the official regions.


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: dunn on March 12, 2004, 04:15:48 AM
It's on page one of this thread, and I've probably presented it five times by now in various places :p

some of them my friend do not bother to read


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: dunn on March 12, 2004, 04:19:41 AM
a prez+vp
5 cabinet members
5 governors
3 sc judges
10 senators

is already more then half of registered voters. more senators is insane.

If it just for job seeking everyone can declared himself the president of Earth/Mars/Venus/Gaalxy76879-024


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: minionofmidas on March 12, 2004, 04:22:08 AM
I'll be dictator-for-life of the Solar System! :)


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: dunn on March 12, 2004, 04:27:49 AM
I'll be dictator-for-life of the Solar System! :)

I will be Ceaser of the Milky way, ypu will be under my rule!

:)

you never fail to see my point.
 


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Emsworth on March 12, 2004, 05:12:37 PM
My proposal is as follows:

1. "General elections" held every fourth month, with "midterm elections" also held every fourth month, between general elections.
2. President, Vice President, one Senator from each region, Governors from Regions A, B elected at each general election.
3. One Senator from each region, Governors from Regions C, D, E elected at each midterm election.
4. One of the three seats on the court becomes vacant one month following each general election.


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: dunn on March 12, 2004, 05:16:53 PM
My proposal is as follows:

1. "General elections" held every fourth month, with "midterm elections" also held every fourth month, between general elections.
2. President, Vice President, one Senator from each region, Governors from Regions A, B elected at each general election.
3. One Senator from each region, Governors from Regions C, D, E elected at each midterm election.
4. One of the three seats on the court becomes vacant one month following each general election.
sounds right


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Platypus on March 12, 2004, 05:18:56 PM
The supreme court should have three members appointed in this way:

1. Should be the second-highest placing Presidential candidate, or a representative of them
2. Should be appointed by the President
3. Should be the ame Moderator.

This basically means there will be a 2-1 split on most things, with the independent having the casting vote.


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Nation on March 12, 2004, 05:49:39 PM
If we have the SC members appointed by the forum (logical) then wouldn't we need the senate to confirm them?

If so, then perhaps we should have ALL the senate elections 2 months before the presidential elections, so we could get the ball rolling.


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Demrepdan on March 12, 2004, 06:59:18 PM
I can tell this is going to be HELL on finding a basic ground to finish the Constitution.

I don't like the idea of one of the three Supreme Court Justices must resign after one month...and be replaced or whatever.....it just seems...stupid.

And as far as the Senate seats....it sounds as if some of you wish to have both Senate seats up for re-election from the region....like......Region 1 2 and 3 have there's up during the mid-term....and Region 4 and 5 have there's up during the Presidential elections.

It doesn't work like this in real life.....no TWO Senators from any STATE have their seat up for election at the same time. If you MUST stagger the elections......I suggest that we simply have ONE of the Senators from each region have their seat up for election...which would mean 5 of the 10 Senators (1 Senator from every region) would have their seats up for election....at any given time.....


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Emsworth on March 12, 2004, 07:09:33 PM
Quote
I don't like the idea of one of the three Supreme Court Justices must resign after one month...and be replaced or whatever.....it just seems...stupid.
They need not resign. Supreme Court Justices would have staggered terms, so that each President would have the opportunity to appoint 1 Justice one month into his term.

Quote
And as far as the Senate seats....it sounds as if some of you wish to have both Senate seats up for re-election from the region....like......Region 1 2 and 3 have there's up during the mid-term....and Region 4 and 5 have there's up during the Presidential elections.
If you are referring to my proposal, the facts are not as you have put them. Under my proposal, one Senate seat from each region would be up every election. It is the Gubernatorial situation to which you might be referring. Three Gubernatorial elections occur at midters, and two at general elections.


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Demrepdan on March 12, 2004, 07:15:19 PM
If you are referring to my proposal, the facts are not as you have put them. Under my proposal, one Senate seat from each region would be up every election. It is the Gubernatorial situation to which you might be referring. Three Gubernatorial elections occur at midters, and two at general elections.

I wasn't referring to yours....I was referring to the people who wanted to have it like that......I have heard talk of it somewhere....even in another thread I believe.....

And it still my belief.....that we should grant regional rights....and not dictate to the regions when to hold their Gubernatorial elections.....


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Emsworth on March 12, 2004, 07:16:38 PM
And it still my belief.....that we should grant regional rights....and not dictate to the regions when to hold their Gubernatorial elections.....
This proposal also seems acceptable to me.


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Reaganfan on March 12, 2004, 08:33:22 PM
Plan one. A question though, Is NYM PRESIDENT OR PRESIDENT-ELECT?


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Emsworth on March 12, 2004, 09:23:32 PM
Demrepdan,

Have you read my earlier post on changing some of the wording in the Constitution? If so, what is your verdict on the same proposal?

I have further proposals for rewording, mostly in order to eliminate redundancies, and also to remove archaic terminology ("chuse," for instance), and for other purposes:

Firstly, for Article I, I humbly propose that the following be the Article:

Section 1 (Legislative Powers)

All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in the Congress of the Atlas Forum, which shall consist of a Senate.

Section 2 (The Senate)

Clause 1. The United States shall be divided into five regions, each of which shall be represented by two Senators.

Clause 2. The Senators shall be elected by the voters of the region from amongst those inhabitants of the region who have attained at least thirty posts and have declared within twenty days of the election their candidacy. But if there shall be only one person who shall announce his or her candidacy, then no election shall be held, and that person shall be deemed elected.

Clause 3. The Vice President of the Forum shall be the President of the Senate, but shall have no vote, except when the Senate is equally divided.

Clause 4. The Senate shall choose their other officers, and also a President pro tempore, who shall preside over the Senate in the absence of the Vice President.

Section 3. (Impeachment)

[To Be Determined]

Section 4. (Expulsion)

The Senate may, two-thirds of the total number of Senators concurring, expel a Senator from office.

Section 5. (Congress’s Vote)

The Congress may pass a bill for the purpose of making laws, or a resolution for the purpose of declaring war, a majority of the Senators voting concurring. But all such bills and resolutions shall first be submitted to the President before taking effect; and the President may either declare his or her approval or veto it. If the President approves, or if he or she neither approves nor vetos the bill or resolution within seven days, the bill or resolution shall take effect. But if he shall veto it, the bill or resolution shall be of no effect unless the Congress shall vote, two-thirds of the Senators concurring, to override the President's veto.

Section 6. (Congressional Elections)

[To Be Determined; Probably could combine this Section and the Section on Presidential elections, as well as those on voters' qualifications, into a new Article on Elections]



Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: minionofmidas on March 13, 2004, 02:19:10 AM
At the first-ever senate election, we might elect five for 4-month and five for two-month terms, just so we have a working senate quickly.


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: dunn on March 13, 2004, 02:22:49 AM
At the first-ever senate election, we might elect five for 4-month and five for two-month terms, just so we have a working senate quickly.


yeah, good point


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Demrepdan on March 13, 2004, 03:40:53 AM
At the first-ever senate election, we might elect five for 4-month and five for two-month terms, just so we have a working senate quickly.


I agree with that plan.....I think we should hold Senate elections for ALL Senators in late April (I hope the Constitution will be finished in time)......and then we would hold ANOTHER Senate election during the Presidential election in late June...in which 5 of the 10 would have their seat up for re-election. This would only happen this one time...because all Senators will serve 4 month terms.


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Demrepdan on March 13, 2004, 03:48:56 AM
Demrepdan,

Have you read my earlier post on changing some of the wording in the Constitution? If so, what is your verdict on the same proposal?

I have further proposals for rewording, mostly in order to eliminate redundancies, and also to remove archaic terminology ("chuse," for instance), and for other purposes:

I saw your post earlier......and I will make the changes when we have decided on these issues. If you have any other suggestions for me on how to reword the Constitution to eliminate redundancies....or to make it more clear and understandable to the reader.....please let me know....because I wrote the Constitution and never really re-read it to improve the wording. It’s fine if you wish to give suggestions on the rewording...but I hope you don’t change the overall message of the Constitution in the process.

P.S. I must point out that I put the word CHUSE in there on purpose.....just for fun....to keep the analogy to the U.S. Constitution.....if it bugs people that much though I'll remove it.....


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Huckleberry Finn on March 14, 2004, 10:22:39 AM
I favour:

5 cabinet member
10 senators with four month term
5 judges of Supreme Court
5 governors


Title: Re:Demrepdan's final changes
Post by: Demrepdan on March 14, 2004, 02:29:49 PM
I favour:

5 cabinet member
10 senators with four month term
5 judges of Supreme Court
5 governors

It looks like that will happen.....except the 5 judges....most people want a 3 judge Supreme Court......