Talk Elections

If George W. Bush would have lost Florida in the recount, he could have contested Oregon which he lost by 0.44%, Wisconsin 0.22%, Iowa 0.31%, and New Mexico 0.06%.

I believe that we might have been recounting for quite some time if Florida hadn't gone W's way.

Would this scenario have been possible?

Theoretically, it would have been possible, but if the SC would have allowed the Florida recount to proceede, by the time it would have been finished, it would have been very close to the Presidential inauguration. By that time the electors for all the other states would have been certified and thus if Bush would then contest several other states, his challenges would likely be quickly disqualified (due to lack of time and evidence). Even though I do think that if Gore won Florida through a recount, the GOP would be extrmeley energized to defeat him in 2004 since many of them would feel that the election was stolen and that Gore recounted enough votes to give him the win.

Wasn't Bush's team considering a recount in Iowa for a few days? This was early in the Florida chaos though.

I think it was considering recounts in several close states that went for Gore. However, then Bush's team became more confident of keeping their Florida lead, and decided not to pursue any legal challenges elsewhere. However, if Bush lost his Florida lead in December after the SC ruling (if the SC would ahve allowed the recount to continue), then it would have been too late for Bush to sue for recounts in other close states, I believe.

Those were close states. If the recount would've gone to Gore after 122 times of counting the votes, then the twin towers might as well have fallen over right then and there.

They fell under Bush's watch. not Clintons!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They fell because of Clinton's failed policies regarding our intelligence. It was to the point where the CIA and FBI wouldn't even talk to each other. Bush didn't have the years it would've taken to build it back up. If not for 9/11 we may still not be back on track.

Bush would have officially won New Mexico if they hadn't found a tabulation error of 500 Gore votes in the recount there.

Really? What's the source of that?

Here, Bush was leading by 4 votes when they discovered the mistake . Statewide recounts are fine unless they result in Al Gore becoming President, so no one cared about the New Mexico recount.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/13/votes.elsewhere/index.html

Even Gore wasn't asking for a statewide recount.

He was asking for one later, but not initially.

Gore wasn't trying to steal the White House. He just wanted to make sure all votes were counted properly so that Bush wouldn't steal the White House and wreck our country.

He led in the raw vote count, but the recount was never finished. Thus, we don't know who really won Florida. And what about all those minorities who were purged from the voter rolls?

Gore won Florida.

http://www.nytimes.com/images/2001/11/12/politics/recount/

There you go with the most leftwing newspaper in America. I don't know a single serious person who takes the NY Times seriously.

The thug vote? Oh yea that's who we want to decide our elections. They couldn't vote due to their criminal background.

The Democrats controlled the election apparatus in most of the counties where the Gore campaign was seeking recounts, notably Dade.  The Republicans cannot be blamed for the inept manner in which the Democrats organized the election in these counties.  

Early on, the Gore campaign rejected having a statewide recount, believing there were not enough votes for them in most counties, deciding instead to go trolling for votes in heavily Democratic counties.

Besides, the liberal media made a biased, incorrect and premature call, calling Florida for Gore even before the entire state was finished voting.  The Florida panhandle, in a different time zone, was voting heavily for Bush, and the polls were still open there when the premature call was made.  Upon hearing in the media that Gore had won Florida, thousands of Bush voters simply decided not to vote at all, thus costing Bush thousands of votes he would otherwise have received in Florida.

This biased, premature call as well cost Bush who knows how many hundreds of thousands of votes in other parts of the country by people intending to vote for Bush not voting because they knew Bush needed Florida to win the election.

This biased premature call by the liberal media had far reaching implications in the 2000 election.

Bush won Florida.  

Bush won Florida under the election laws of the state of Florida.

Gore would have won a fair election, though.

Most of the minorities that were removed from the voter rolls (alledgedly by accident, or at least that's what Jeb Bush says) were not felons.

If those people are so easily deterred by something on the TV, they weren't very dead set on voting in the first place.

Governor Bush, and thats how I will refer to him because thats the only office he legally won, stole both elections.

Jeb Bush wasn't the one who said they couldn't vote. It's 2010.

So the Democrats who controlled the recount process couldn't even rig an election right. Gore couldn't win a rigged election in his favor.

They are nothing more than over educated elitists from Ivy League schools who think they own everything including the minority vote. Gore acted like a spoiled rich kid born with a silver spoon in his hand who was ENTITLED to the minority vote. If you ASSUME Gore would've won the minority vote based on what minorities do and how they APPEAR to vote, then you are nothing more than a worthless racist.

He never stole an election. Gore thought he was ENTITLED to the minority vote and Kerry stole honor in Vietnam by betraying us. Stop being jealous. I just looked at my computer time and it says it's 2010.

Ya and  Bush served so honorably in Vietnam, oh ya thats right he dodged the draft and got into the guard and never went to drill, how could I forget that about Governor Bush.

He went to drill. That was a fake document that cost Dan Rather his career and CBS any credibility anyone pretended they ever had.

Not when he was in alabama, his commander here said he never seen Bush the two years he was supposed to be drilling here.

That was another false document. When did he say that and who was it?

We're still doing this? Seriously?

I agree it's 2010. Besides, let's say Bush does lose the recount. It would be his own fault for agreeing to it. I mean the guy was more than generous to the point of being naive if he thought Gore was being honest and sincere. The recount was an attempt for the democrats to steal the election. If they can't win, they run to the courts to get extra votes or disallow votes against them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xyb-WoQHbc&feature=related

Here is what really happened in Florida.

What?

That statement is hackish in the extreme.

2000 was controversial, no doubt, however, the results of the 2004 Presidential election were clear and were an undisputed win for Bush (except in the minds of conspiracy theory Democratic hacks).

Bush won 2004 with a close, yet clear win in the electoral vote and with a majority in the popular vote.

To say that Bush stole 2004 is nothing more than Democratic hackery gone wild.

And why precisely are we still arguing about this?

My sentiments indeed. ^^ It's 2010.

It wasnt a false document it was the commander of the air guard base here at the time, and he said it about Governor Bush in 2004.

It was a false document and it cost Dan Rather his career. It was written in Microsoft which didn't exist until 1975. The document was dated 1972. Bush served well as a part time pilot in the Texas Air National Guard. He stuck by his home state of Texas just like he stuck by the United States to protect us from further attacks after 9/11. He didn't abandon us for a pack of oriental foreigners or fly around Vietnam with Hanoi Jane. It was a false document and did you watch the clip I posted about the Florida recount. That will speak for itself.

The photo of Kerry with Jane Fonda was fabricated.

Im not talking about the document, im talking about his commander.

When was that ever said? Who could his dad have possibly known to get him out of going to war. Let's PRETEND that did happen. Aren't you glad that Bush is still with us?

What?

You sound like you wish Bush would've gone to Vietnam and had something happen.

No but I have a problem with people like you and him. Your war mongers who are nothing but cheerleaders, all about sending us to war, but you never HAD THE GUTS to put on a uniform.

I feel like you're wearing your service on your sleeve. I do thank you for serving don't get me wrong, but we're allowed to have views on the war too. How am I supposed to see it from your view or you see it from mine? I mean seriously. The same can be said for Kerry in regards to Vietnam. He had a biased view because he was there.

It just angers me when you neo-cons are all about war as long as your not fighting it.

I've supported just about every war this country has been in except for when Clinton did it without congressional approval.

We were not in a war with Clinton Jesus Christ do you even know what a war is, and as far as that goes Reagan didnt ask for permission for Grenada, and Bush didnt ask for permission for Panama, WHY ARNT YOU SCREAMING ABOUT THAT?

So you supported Vietnam?

Yes but not how it was fought. We need to fight wars the way we know how to win with intelligence and technology. I supported Iraq but between 2004 and 2006 I thought we could've done better from the top. I think it was the summer of 2007 when we sent more troops as part of a new strategy.

Ironically, had he, I would have supported that.

Look genius no technology out there helps against ied's and people taking pot shots at you. You know nothing about war so stop acting like you do.

Whoa are you angry?

He did want to do that at the end, but not initially.

Gore was a wanna be thief who felt he was entitled to the votes of minorities as if he were born with a silver spoon in hand.

Minorities did vote for him.

Yes and he wanted even more.

Gore was born with a silver spoon in his mouth? Bush wasnt? God your double standards just amaze me.

I'm pointing out that you only look at the situation from the anti-Bush point of view when the same things can be said about Gore.

Probably your right because of the strong feeling I have towards him for what he did to this great nation. He set us back 20 years.

It's 2010.

I knew that for six months now.

Some of the people here act like it's 2000 still.

No, they don't. They're just really angry at Bush and the SC for stopping that recount without ordering a new one.

They would probably be saying that Gore stole the election by refusing to count all the ballots and hear the will of the people of Florida.