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General Discussion => Alternative History => Topic started by: rebelcry on April 20, 2010, 08:52:39 AM



Title: The fate of human bondage in a post-1865 CSA
Post by: rebelcry on April 20, 2010, 08:52:39 AM
The majority of Confederate alternative history is flawed and misleading.  Alternative history on any period requires a good understanding of the period.  For example CNN & their hateful Mr. Roland Martin projected the commonly ignorant assumption that had the Confederacy won the War against the States slavery would still exist.
However the most likely outcome of 6% slaveocracy minority in the South should be based on historical events and characters.  Consider:

*By 1865 more than 90,000 blacks were serving in the Confederate military as freemen. 
*The unpopularity of slavery influencing the Confederacy's diplomatic and economic relations with nations that Southern state markets relied on (ie, UK, France, & if the Confederacy was victorious the U.S.)
*The role and security of slavery in the South was forever broken (one way or another).
*Citizens, officers, and soldiers in the Confederacy like Jefferson Davis, his cabinet, Lee, and Johnston expressed that slavery would be a necessary loss for victory.
*The majority of Southerners from the period rejected slavery as a cause (though the abolition of it was 1 Federal measure to restructure the South by force)
*The Confederate States rejected the deal that would achieve a slavery amendment (the original 13th) if they reunited peacefully with Lincoln.
*The Confederate States rejected the deal in the Emancipation Proclamation which offered that any territory not in rebellion by Jan 1, 1863 slavery would not be intefered with. 
*The Confederate States Constitution forbade the international slave trade.
*Every nation in the Western Hemisphere with 1 exception abolished slavery peacefully.
*The industrial revolution which influenced all parts of the globe made crop harvesting more profitable by machine than man. 
*The widely changing views towards human bondage in the 20th century would surely have affected the Confederacy as it did with the majorities in the majority of civilized nations.

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Title: Re: The fate of human bondage in a post-1865 CSA
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on April 20, 2010, 08:40:24 PM
Welcome to the Forum :)  You and States will get along swell :)


Title: Re: The fate of human bondage in a post-1865 CSA
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on April 21, 2010, 03:49:52 PM

States has a firmer grasp on reality and history than this guy.


Title: Re: The fate of human bondage in a post-1865 CSA
Post by: cpeeks on May 10, 2010, 12:27:59 PM
Slavery ends in the 1880's.


Title: Re: The fate of human bondage in a post-1865 CSA
Post by: ag on May 11, 2010, 08:25:40 AM

I'd think a bit later: precisely, because a war would have been fought over it.  But it would be gone by the end of WWI. Of course, it would be replaced by pretty much apartheid. I strongly doubt, blacks would have gotten citizenship till well past WWII, if ever.