Talk Elections

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Called a convention for the purpose of editing our bylaws. A member has suggested we add something for fusion endorsements. Go go ahead and sign in then we can get started.

Signed in
 Jbrase
 Han
 SvenssonRS
 Dallas
 Dan Adams
 Useful Idiot
 AndrewCT
 RosettaStoned
 feeblepizza
 Libertas
 Yelnoc
 Zacoftheaxes
 redcommander
 ajc0918
 comeandtakeit53
 electoraljew2

x hantheguitarman

x Dallasfan65

X Daniel Adams

X useful idiot

x AndrewCT

X ajc0918

X Libertas



As I've said, I don't think we need to mess with our bylaws, however. The mechanism for endorsing candidates at our convention is already in place. No need to fix what's not broken.

x redcommander

X Zacoftheaxes.

(Note I won't be here for most of the morning.)

x RosettaStoned

ok, who would like to chair the convention? now taking nominations.

I nominate myself

I nominate Yelnoc.

Thankyou.  I guess I'll nominate me too.

So what exactly does the chairman of the convention do?

The chairman of the convention runs the convention (opens up nominations for Leadership positions, brings forth proposals for debate and a vote, closes votes, etc.) It's a procedural role.

x ComeAndTakeIt53

By the way Nick Allman, it's Rick Lazio in your signature. Just noticed that.

X electoraljew2

I nominate hantheguitarman

Wow, this might be pretty competitive. :P

Let's not get hung up on who the chair is.

So are we going to get stuck nominating people?

Patience damn it, these things usually take awhile.

I nominate myself.

Three new Hamiltons?

Yessir.

The Chairman has notified me that he may not have internet access for tomorrow/Friday - a vote will most likely take place for the Chair this Saturday.

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Can someone tell me what the point of being in this party is if Hamilton makes up half the membership?

Rigging elections, just as February NE Senate vote

(yes, Winston won due to sock votes, while Morgan's win over Andrew seems fair)

I still think we should just forget about this convention and wait 'til next month. The bylaws specify a convention once every two months, we had one in June already.

He doesn't.

But he did.

However, I wish you the best in getting standing over your own legs.

My point was more or less that this party is beyond that, though some people either can't or simply won't accept that fact.

It doesn't bother you that Hamilton has posted in this three page thread with four different personalities and has interacted with himself?

Who in this thread is Hamilton? I'm not aware of any socks of his.

I'm assuming he's referring to Yelnoc, feeblepizza, comeandtakeit, and zacoftheaxes.

In a separate post (since this isn't directed to anybody in particular),

If someone is going to allege that there's a Hamiltonian presence, can they atleast, if not substantiate it, then name a specific poster and explain why they think that to be the case? Because to do otherwise is dishonest and ill-intentioned.

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Now we're on to something.

Can I get an explanation as to why you feel these posters are Hamilton?

I highly doubt any of those guys are Hamilton. At any rate, I know for sure that Yelnoc and Zacoftheaxes are real. I don't post on www.alternatehistory.com, but I sometimes look at the discussions there, and I have seen both zacoftheaxes and Yelnoc post there. Both seem to be legitimate posters who contribute there. I really doubt that Hamilton trolls on AH.com.

Zacoftheaxes
http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/member.php?u=8673

Yelnoc
http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/member.php?u=10384

I don't have as much proof for the other two posters accused, but everybody should be considered innocent before proven guilty, and I don't think that those posters are Hamilton, and I'd like to see your reasons for why you think they are before we jump to conclusions.

Thankyou, I was just about to point out that I am myself.  Now who is Hamilton?

I didn't say they were. I was just answering your question about who useful idiot was referring to.

Feeblepizza and ComeAndTakeIt53 are on other websites.

Then who are the "Three New Hamilton's"?

That leaves:

Jbrase
Hantheguitarman
SvenssonRS
Dallasfan65
Daniel Adams
Useful Idiot
AndrewCT
RosettaStoned
Libertas
redcommander
ajc0918
electoraljew2
Mechaman

I'd like to get to the bottom of this, I'll tell you what.

The comment was in jest referring to the new members of the party.

The "Introduction to Atlas Fantasy Elections" says that there are 35 members of the POP....

Well, I was referring to those that signed in to the convention.

x shua

i know i haven't been active very lately, but . . . you started a convention and didn't tell me :(

Because they're new posters who almost immediately came to Atlasia and joined the Populares, while already knowing quite a bit about how things work. That's Hamilton's MO.

If these guys are on other sites, fine, but it's certainly not outside the bounds of reason to assume that new members are Hamilton. He's had tons of socks and used them in Atlasia. He still posts under several socks. It's not like I'm going out on a limb here.

Okay, I'm the new Hamilton guys, sorry.

Well, understandable, but I did my best to try and acquaint these guys with the game and get them active - if that clears up some doubt. (I apologize if I came off as a bit of a dick, earlier.)


My apologies!

Damn you!

It does, and you didn't.

but we can be friendz?

I registered back in March.

Convention chairman vote
[ ]Yelnoc
[ ]feeblepizzza
[ ]Hanthebguitarman

Voting begins now, and ends sometime in the future

[X]Yelnoc
[ ]feeblepizzza
[ ]Hanthebguitarman

[ ]Yelnoc
[ ]feeblepizzza
[ X]Hanthebguitarman

[ i ] Hantheguitarman
[ii] Yelnoc
[iii] FeeblePizza

[ ]Yelnoc
[ ]feeblepizzza
[X]Hantheguitarman

[ ]Yelnoc
[ ]feeblepizzza
[X]Hantheguitarman

[ ]Yelnoc
[ ]feeblepizzza
[X]Hantheguitarman

* Hantheguitarman

[ ]Yelnoc
[ ]feeblepizzza
[X]Hanthebguitarman

[ ] Yelnoc

• feeblepizza

[ ] Hanthebguitarman

NOTE: My name has only two Z's, guys!!!

lol, sorry about that, you'll find that the later it gets at night the more typos you'll find in my writting.

[ ]Yelnoc
[ ]feeblepizzza
[X]Hantheguitarman

[ ]Yelnoc
[ ]feeblepizzza
[X]Hantheguitarman

Vote is over
Hantheguitarman is the Convention chairman

That's great.  Now what?

Well when han gets back on, we'll start to get to party business

I only got 1 vote, and that was from myself! Darn it....

Same here, though I can't say I actually expected to win.

First off, I can't say enough how honored I am to chair this convention. I not only feel humbled, but I feel responsible, and I will put my best work into running this convention.

So let's get this party started. I believe we congregated here to edit our bylaws?

Yes - someone should bring a proposal to the table, or better yet, several proposals, so we could discuss their merits.

I'll work on something tonight.

Okay, here's a proposal - it's the Chairman's discretion what he'll do with this.


Also, for prohibiting candidates from being on the ballot line...

I like the intent of both acts. For Not Our Candidate! are you saying that their affiliations with the Populares party will not appear on the ballot (The (POP) thing after their name in the ballot), or are you saying we're taking them completely off the ballot? I don't think we have the power to do the latter and I don't we should do the latter anyway.

Does anybody else have any revisions or suggestions for either of the two laws? If not, I think we should hold a vote on them tomorrow.

Basically, they would appear as "Independent", or whatever party did decide to endorse them, if any.

Seems to work, but will this be based on a separate vote on whether we choose to endorse non-POP candidates, or just our regular endorsement votes? Will we allow party members to nominate non-POP candidates and then vote on whether they will receive our endorsement? We should make that clear.

Also, I think all party officers should be able to contact the SoFE with regard to ballot access. There are deadlines and tense negotiations always can run late. In the past we've had chairmen who were inactive in Atlasia and the whip's office has certainly been intricately involved in the party's interpartisan negotations since the party's founding, even going back to the ARC era. Party officers include the chairman, vice chairman and whip. It could potentially cripple our diplomacy efforts otherwise.

Perhaps we might also allow the conventions themselves to elect for a time someone who would be the official representative of the convention to report on endorsements and ballot access to the SoFE.

Here are my tentatively proposed amendments:




Though we'd still need to address the first issue I mentioned.


Also, since we now control our ballot line, should we do like other parties do and automatically endorse our own party's candidates ahead of others before the convention votes?

Alright, here's some amendments that would address the other issues. What do you think?




I think we should allow a little bit of wiggle room in case, as a big tent party, one wing of the party nominates a candidate and the other wing wants to kick him off the ballot. Raising the threshold to 2/3 to lose ballot access reduces the risk of having the party torn apart over something like that.

Are you "Populares" or "Popularis"?

This is the Populares convention. What do you want?

I was asking politely which form is then official or  both are acceatable, rude little man.


Try to ask something politely...

How was I rude? I'm not quite sure what the issue is here. 'Popularis' is singular, 'Populares' is plural. Just like 'Democrat' is singular and 'Democrats' is plural.

1. My Latin is sucks
2. I was asking nicely and you started with "this is our club, what do you want"-style
3. I'm drunk

Sincerely,
The Illuminati

Just put this before all your posts.

Ok, but still I wanted to ask that question, ftr.

I imagine we'd just use our existing endorsement process (as we had so far) but with the option for our leadership to place people on our ballot (given that they get a majority/supermajority.)

Also, I accept your modifications to my own amendments, unless someone else in the party has a gripe against it - upon latter reflection, I think anybody in the Leadership should have the authority to notify the SoFE.


I'd support that, as long as there was a mechanism for our members to "anti-endorse" like it says in "Not Our Candidate!"


I've posted while imbibed quite often and it's only gotten me in trouble once or twice.

Ooh, sorry. I haven't been on a computer for the last couple of hours.

Anyway, voting will begin at 10:30 AM, and will continue for the next 72 hours. Please make it clear which bylaws you are voting for. Oh, BTW, these acts are the acts with Libertas' amendments. Please either vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

Fusion Voting [Aye]
Not Our Candidate [Aye]

Fusion Voting [Aye]
Not Our Candidate [Aye]

Fusion Voting [Aye]
Not Our Candidate [Aye]

Fusion Voting [Aye]
Not Our Candidate [Aye]

Fusion Voting [Aye]
Not Our Candidate [Aye]

Fusion Voting [Aye]
Not Our Candidate [Aye]

Fusion Voting [Aye]
Not our candidate [Nay]

Fusion Voting [Aye]
Not Our Candidate [Aye]

Fusion Voting [Aye]
Not Our Candidate [Aye]

Aye to both measures

Aye to both measures

aye to both

Voting is now closed

With twelve ayes, Fusion Voting passes.

With eleven ayes and one nay, Not Our Candidate passes.

I'll be running for re-election as Vice Chairman

I'll be running for re-election as Chairman

I guess I'll give the Whipdom (Whipship? Whipency?) another go. :P

NiK signing in, sorry about the delay.

I suppose I'll give leadership another run. I declare my candidacy for Chief Director.

I nominate NiK to Secretary.

Just a headsup to anybody:

If nominated I will flee the country.
If elected I will fight extradition.

It should be noted here that NiK technically doesn't exist in Atlasia at this point. I mean, I guess if you all wanted to be weird and awkward about it all you could elect NiK, being someone who technically doesn't exist anymore, then wait until that account actually expires in Atlasia, then have NiK's new account register, then elect him, but that's just approaching bizarre levels of oddity.

Eh, NiK might be fine if he follows this: https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Third_Amendment_to_the_Consolidated_Criminal_Justice_Act

Perhaps, I suppose.

Thank you bgwah!

Nik, please follow the instructions in bgwah's link.

Do we have a list of incumbents for those positions?

From the last Populares Convention (those bolded were the winners): 

I am announcing my candidacy for Whip

Is anybody else going to declare? We shall begin voting tomorrow, so declare before it's too late!

Of course, there's always the write in option. :P

So, just for clarification, these are the people that have declared their candidacy or have been nominated for a position.

Chairman
Jbrase

Vice-Chairman
Hantheguitarman

Whip
Libertas
Feeblepizza

Secretary
NiK [Nominated]

Chief Director
SvenssonRS

If incumbents automatically appear on the ballot then the list becomes the following.

Chairman
Jbrase

Vice-Chairman
Hantheguitarman

Whip
Libertas
Feeblepizza

Secretary
RosettaStoned
NiK [Nominated]

Chief Director
redcommander
SvenssonRS

As far as I know, incumbents don't automatically appear.

Just for the record, Yelnoc, Libertas announced that he's running for election again, if I'm not mistaken.

He has and will be on the ballot.

Fixed.

I accept my nomination as Secretary. I am truly honored.

Voting shall begin at 2:00 PM EST, and shall continue for 72 hours.


Chairman
[] Jbrase
[] Write In: _____________

Vice-Chairman
[] hantheguitarman
[] Write In: _____________

Whip
[] Libertas
[] feeblepizza
[] Write In: _____________

Secretary
[] NiK (Psychic Octopus)
[] Write In: _____________

Chief Director
[] SvenssonRS
[] Write In: _____________

Chairman

• Jbrase

[] Write In: _____________

Vice-Chairman

• hantheguitarman

[] Write In: _____________

Whip

• Libertas

[] feeblepizza
[] Write In: _____________

Secretary

• NiK (Psychic Octopus)

[] Write In: _____________

Chief Director

• SvenssonRS

[] Write In: _____________

Chairman

• Jbrase

[] Write In: _____________

Vice-Chairman

• hantheguitarman

[] Write In: _____________

Whip

• Libertas

[] feeblepizza
[] Write In: _____________

Secretary

• NiK (Psychic Octopus)

[] Write In: _____________

Chief Director

• SvenssonRS

[] Write In: _____________

Chairman

• Jbrase

[] Write In: _____________

Vice-Chairman

• hantheguitarman

[] Write In: _____________

Whip

• Libertas

[] feeblepizza
[] Write In: _____________

Secretary

• NiK (Psychic Octopus)

[] Write In: _____________

Chief Director

• SvenssonRS

[] Write In: _____________

Chairman

• Jbrase

[] Write In: _____________

Vice-Chairman

• hantheguitarman

[] Write In: _____________

Whip

• Libertas

[] feeblepizza
[] Write In: _____________

Secretary

• NiK (Psychic Octopus)

[] Write In: _____________

Chief Director

• SvenssonRS

[] Write In: _____________

Official Ballot of the Populares Convention

Chairman

• Jbrase

[] Write In: _____________

Vice-Chairman

• hantheguitarman

[] Write In: _____________

Whip
[] Libertas

• feeblepizza

[] Write In: _____________

Secretary

• NiK (Psychic Octopus)

[] Write In: _____________

Chief Director

• SvenssonRS

[] Write In: _____________

Chairman

    * Jbrase

[] Write In: _____________

Vice-Chairman

    * hantheguitarman

[] Write In: _____________

Whip

    * Libertas

[] feeblepizza
[] Write In: _____________

Secretary

    * NiK (Psychic Octopus)

[] Write In: _____________

Chief Director

    * SvenssonRS

[] Write In: _____________

Chairman

• Jbrase

[] Write In: _____________

Vice-Chairman

• hantheguitarman

[] Write In: _____________

Whip

• Libertas

[] feeblepizza
[] Write In: _____________

Secretary

• NiK (Psychic Octopus)

[] Write In: _____________

Chief Director

• SvenssonRS

[] Write In: _____________

Chairman
[X] Jbrase
[] Write In: _____________

Vice-Chairman
[X] hantheguitarman
[] Write In: _____________

Whip
[X] Libertas
[] feeblepizza
[] Write In: _____________

Secretary
[X] NiK (Psychic Octopus)
[] Write In: _____________

Chief Director
[X] SvenssonRS
[] Write In: _____________

Chairman

• Jbrase

[] Write In: _____________

Vice-Chairman

• hantheguitarman

[] Write In: _____________

Whip

• Libertas

[] feeblepizza
[] Write In: _____________

Secretary

• NiK (Psychic Octopus)

[] Write In: _____________

Chief Director

• SvenssonRS

[] Write In: ___________

Chairman

• Jbrase

[] Write In: _____________

Vice-Chairman

• hantheguitarman

[] Write In: _____________

Whip

• Libertas

[] feeblepizza
[] Write In: _____________

Secretary

• NiK (Psychic Octopus)

[] Write In: _____________

Chief Director

• SvenssonRS

[] Write In: _____________

Chairman

• Jbrase

[] Write In: _____________

Vice-Chairman

• hantheguitarman

[] Write In: _____________

Whip

• Libertas

[] feeblepizza
[] Write In: _____________

Secretary

• NiK (Psychic Octopus)

[] Write In: _____________

Chief Director

• SvenssonRS

[] Write In: _____________

Chairman

    * Jbrase

[] Write In: _____________

Vice-Chairman

    * hantheguitarman

[] Write In: _____________

Whip

    * Libertas

[] feeblepizza
[] Write In: _____________

Secretary

    * NiK (Psychic Octopus)

[] Write In: _____________

Chief Director

    * SvenssonRS

[] Write In: ___________

Chairman

• Jbrase

[] Write In: _____________

Vice-Chairman

• hantheguitarman

[] Write In: _____________

Whip

• Libertas

[] feeblepizza
[] Write In: _____________

Secretary

• NiK (Psychic Octopus)

[] Write In: _____________

Chief Director

• SvenssonRS

[] Write In: _____________

Chairman
x Jbrase
[] Write In: _____________

Vice-Chairman
x hantheguitarman
[] Write In: _____________

Whip
Libertas
[] feeblepizza

• Write In: Abstaining
  
  Secretary
  x NiK (Psychic Octopus)
  [] Write In: _____________
  
  Chief Director
  x SvenssonRS
  [] Write In: _____________

Just bringing this up, I think after the vote we should discuss a color change.

I concur. JCP also uses a form of green; we should try something else.

I think you should discuss an appearance change altogether. That logo is ugly. The ones I designed while I was in the party were much better, and you can use them. I'm just sayin'.

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of course, the color change would affect it, but I think something could be arranged.

Use blue. It's open.

Perhaps a form of yellow?

@Sargent, those are good, but I like the logo. I'm open to discussion, though.

I like Orange personally.

Yellow would be a really good idea, since the party has libertarian leanings and yellow is the international symbol of libertarianism and free trade.

Orange is not really a political color per se. The first thing that pops to mind is the Orange Revolution in Ukraine and Irish unionism. It's also important in the Netherlands and New York City.

Emerald is a nice color that fits this party. We voted on it when the party was in its infancy. Let the JCP change their own color if it's such a problem.

I really like yellow as well, but orange shows up better.

I really like Ameriplan's second logo and green seems like a good, populist color.

I guess I represent the non-libertarian wing (is there one?) when I say I'm not into the whole yellow thing.

Ameriplan is not even in this party...

But I still like his logos....

There most certainly is.

Anywho, upon latter reflection, I won't be supporting a color change unless it has border-line unamimous support/desire in the party.

We ought to set a poll, assuming this site allows you to post one where you can see the names of people who voted to so that we can filter out any non-populares.

The problem is that changing colors would essentially be surrendering to terrorism.

In case it isn't common knowledge here, our party color on the Wiki has been vandalized repeatedly by a member of the JCP, who suddenly decided it was his prerogative to change our color without asking. The edit wars continue to rage on.

We've also been threatened with legal action by JCP leaders if we didn't agree to change our color.

So why exactly are we giving in to them and even considering changing colors unilaterally?


I really don't know why we are wasting time debating established party colors and logos when we have important election campaigns coming up, and lots of recruitment and other work to be done.

This.

Anywho, yeah, let's drop the talk of color-change until later.

Hm I didn't even knew about this case as I'm not touching any colors on wiki :P

Tomorrow, we shall hold a vote on endorsements for the At-Large Senate Election. Voting shall begin at 11:00 P.M tonight and shall last for 36 hours.


[  ] Bacon King
[  ] AndrewCT
[  ] Libertas
[  ] badger
[  ] AHDuke99
[  ] A-Bob
[  ] Kalwejt

Tomorrow, we shall hold a vote on endorsements for the At-Large Senate Election. Voting shall begin at 11:00 P.M EST and shall last for 24 hours.


[  ] Bacon King
[  2] AndrewCT
[ 1] Libertas
[  ] badger
[  4] AHDuke99
[  3] A-Bob
[  5] Kalwejt

 


[  ] Bacon King
[  2] AndrewCT
[ 1] Libertas
[  ] badger
[  4] AHDuke99
[  3] A-Bob
[  5] Kalwejt

[] Bacon King
[3] AndrewCT
[1] Libertas
[5] badger
[4] AHDuke99
[] A-Bob
[2] Kalwejt

[] Bacon King
[3] AndrewCT
[1] Libertas
[] badger
[4] AHDuke99
[2] A-Bob
[] Kalwejt

[ ] Bacon King
[ 2] AndrewCT
[1] Libertas
[  ] badger
[ ] AHDuke99
[ ] A-Bob
[ ] Kalwejt

This is not how I will be voting in the general, but rather what I think the party itself should be doing.

The election will begin before you close your endorsement vote, by that schedule.

Oops. Er, 24 hours then. Thanks for the heads up!

Dont read too into my rankings people. If you got a lower preference, its mainly because I feel you can survive without the endorsment.

[ 7 ] Bacon King
[ 1 ] AndrewCT
[ 2 ] Libertas
[ 5 ] badger
[ 3 ] AHDuke99
[ 6 ] A-Bob
[ 4 ] Kalwejt

[5] Bacon King
[2] AndrewCT
[1] Libertas
[7] badger
[3] AHDuke99
[4] A-Bob
[6] Kalwejt

Note, I don't know a lot of these people, so most of the following numbers are meaningless.

Official Ballot of the Populares Convention

[5] Bacon King
[1] AndrewCT
[7] Libertas
[4] badger
[3] AHDuke99
[2] A-Bob
[6] Kalwejt

The endorsement vote is closed.

Does someone know how to tally up IRV voting? :P