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Title: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: Whacker77 on November 10, 2010, 11:07:43 AM
I realize I'm on a quixotic campaign to promote Jeb Bush as the Republican nominee in 2012, but a big hole seems to be developing in the major argument against him.  So often I hear Republicans and conservatives say Jeb can't run because of his last name.  In other words, the Bush brand is broken right now and it will be some time before it is rehabilitated.

I can certainly understand that argument, but the facts seem to be changing.  Last month, a poll in Ohio showed W. and Obama even in that critical state.  Now, today comes word from Gallup that W. and Obama's approval ratings are essentially even.  As we've come to know, two years is a long time in politics.  Given the fact the economy is not likely to improve much (Goldman Sachs has unemployment at 10% in Nov. 2011), who knows how the Bush name will be perceived in 2011.

While poll numbers can be finicky, these numbers and the mood of the country tell me Jeb Bush can win in 2012.  The talk seems to be that Bush has his eye on 2016, but waiting doesn't always work out well.  Just ask Hillary or Marion Cuomo.  If Obama remains low in the polls, Romney could very well beat him.  If that happens, Bush couldn't run in 2016 because that would be Romney's reelection year.  That would force Jeb to wait until 2020.  If Romney were to win reelection in 2016, could Jeb really run and win a "third term" in 2020.  I doubt it.

If Jeb Bush really wants to be president, 2012 has to be the year he runs.  Waiting leaves too much in doubt.  Yesterday a Democrat strategist in Politico put Obama's reelection chances at just 30% so a Republican win is far more likely than anyone could have thought.  A Jeb run could lead to a Republican win and bring a long a solid Republican majority in the Senate (MO, VA, ND, FL, OH, and NE).

Given the tremendous weakness of the likely Republican candidates, the nomination is there for the taking for Jeb Bush.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: pshute on November 10, 2010, 12:06:17 PM
While I happen to think Jeb Bush would make a very good President
and would support him, I think the country needs a different republican name
to be elected first.

He still has time but I don't think the country will go for a third Republican Pres Bush in a row


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: Mjh on November 10, 2010, 12:14:43 PM
Jeb Bush is certainly a far more exciting candidate than most of the current field (with the exception of Mitch Daniels). He has experience from executive office and I think the whole party can unite behind him (which is more than anyone can say about Palin, Huckabee and Romney).

Further more it would probably ensure us Florida, which will be even more important in 2012.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: exopolitician on November 10, 2010, 12:33:07 PM
Jeb Bush is another one I don't understand. Why is his name being brought up now? He's been out of office for how long? Republican's are just scraping the bottom of the barrel now.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 10, 2010, 12:39:47 PM
Jeb Bush is another one I don't understand. Why is his name being brought up now? He's been out of office for how long? Republican's are just scraping the bottom of the barrel now.

You supported John Edwards in 2008. He was out of office for three years at the time. Jeb will have been out of office for five years in 2012. That's not much of a difference.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: exopolitician on November 10, 2010, 12:59:06 PM
Jeb Bush is another one I don't understand. Why is his name being brought up now? He's been out of office for how long? Republican's are just scraping the bottom of the barrel now.

You supported John Edwards in 2008. He was out of office for three years at the time. Jeb will have been out of office for five years in 2012. That's not much of a difference.

Way to bring up a sore subject, but yeah I see your point I GUESS. Jeb still seems like a far fetched candidate, I honestly doubt he will run. That goes for Gingrich too, though I think he actually will run. 


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: feeblepizza on November 10, 2010, 01:10:30 PM
His name may not be a hindrance indeed. By the time 2012 comes along, his brother will have been an ex-President for four years, and Jeb himself will have been an ex-Governor of Florida for five years. He wouldn't get much Tea Party support, the GOP establishment would certainly take his bait.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: dmmidmi on November 10, 2010, 01:56:21 PM
This may depend entirely upon what his brother does in the coming months/years. It looks like he's beginning to publicly defend his time as President, and we'll have to see how that pans out. I know that Nixon's exploits in doing so didn't directly affect the electoral success of other Republicans, but it might be different if the Republican in question is a blood relative.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: DrScholl on November 10, 2010, 02:10:02 PM
I would think again before being sure people will not hold his name against him. The whole dynasty effect would turn a lot of people off.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: Whacker77 on November 10, 2010, 02:27:00 PM
While the name may not be the hindrance, I can completely understand the worry about a dynasty.  Still, he will be the last Bush to seek national office.  I certainly don't see any of G. H. Bush's grandchildren running.

As for W., he said in the WSJ the other day once his book tour is over his time in the public will be over.  He wants to fade away just as his father has.  Seriously, has his father ever commented substantively on politics?  Clinton is the definite exception to ex-presidents.

As for my case in support of Jeb, it's more to do with Republicans.  I know Democrats generally loathe the name.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: Grumpier Than Uncle Joe on November 10, 2010, 02:37:36 PM
I would think again before being sure people will not hold his name against him. The whole dynasty effect would turn a lot of people off.

I completely agree......the name is toxic in my view, but if not, the dynasty issue will turn almost everyone off.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: J. J. on November 10, 2010, 02:43:55 PM
Even if GWB would increase in popularity, I think Gramps is right.  We're not a monarchy.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: Whacker77 on November 10, 2010, 03:20:04 PM
Even if GWB would increase in popularity, I think Gramps is right.  We're not a monarchy.

Can you think of any other Republican who can win in 2012?  I know the old saying about presidential popularity being the ceiling for voting support, but how did that work out for Harry Reid?  Assuming any Republican wins because Obama will be unpopular doesn't hold water with me.

Mitt Romney - Can't connect with voters and failed in 2008
Tim Pawlenty - Possible, but a real snoozer
Sarah Palin  - Only if all Democrats and Independents die before 2012
Mike Huckabee - He's limited to the Bible belt
Rick Santorum - Is this guy that stupid?
John Bolten - Got milk?
Newt - Too divisive
Haley Barbour - Possible, but he's foghorn leghorn
John Thune - Possible, but tough to win the early primaries
Mitch Daniels - Needs a charisma injection, but possible
Bobby Jindal - Running in 2011 hurts any run in 2012
Chris Christie - Interesting, but has said it ain't happening in 2012
Jon Huntsman - Interesting, but too moderate for some

I know the knock against Jeb is his last name, but the others I mentioned have real problems.  Obama, from my perspective, looks to be in great shape because the field for Republicans is so awful.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: dmmidmi on November 10, 2010, 04:19:37 PM
I would think again before being sure people will not hold his name against him. The whole dynasty effect would turn a lot of people off.

I completely agree......the name is toxic in my view, but if not, the dynasty issue will turn almost everyone off.

The "dynasty" thing might be one of the biggest issues. Myself included, I'm sure that most people under the age of 35 don't really remember a Republican President whose last name wasn't Bush.

Either way, I think America is done with the Bushes for a while.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: Grumpier Than Uncle Joe on November 10, 2010, 04:37:57 PM
Even if GWB would increase in popularity, I think Gramps is right.  We're not a monarchy.

Can you think of any other Republican who can win in 2012?  I know the old saying about presidential popularity being the ceiling for voting support, but how did that work out for Harry Reid?  Assuming any Republican wins because Obama will be unpopular doesn't hold water with me.

Mitt Romney - Can't connect with voters and failed in 2008
Tim Pawlenty - Possible, but a real snoozer
Sarah Palin  - Only if all Democrats and Independents die before 2012
Mike Huckabee - He's limited to the Bible belt
Rick Santorum - Is this guy that stupid?
John Bolten - Got milk?
Newt - Too divisive
Haley Barbour - Possible, but he's foghorn leghorn
John Thune - Possible, but tough to win the early primaries
Mitch Daniels - Needs a charisma injection, but possible
Bobby Jindal - Running in 2011 hurts any run in 2012
Chris Christie - Interesting, but has said it ain't happening in 2012
Jon Huntsman - Interesting, but too moderate for some

I know the knock against Jeb is his last name, but the others I mentioned have real problems.  Obama, from my perspective, looks to be in great shape because the field for Republicans is so awful.

Whacker, with all due, they're not going to put up Jeb simply because the rest are putzes.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: Penelope on November 10, 2010, 05:30:07 PM
Even if GWB would increase in popularity, I think Gramps is right.  We're not a monarchy.

Can you think of any other Republican who can win in 2012?  I know the old saying about presidential popularity being the ceiling for voting support, but how did that work out for Harry Reid?  Assuming any Republican wins because Obama will be unpopular doesn't hold water with me.

Mitt Romney - Can't connect with voters and failed in 2008
Tim Pawlenty - Possible, but a real snoozer
Sarah Palin  - Only if all Democrats and Independents die before 2012
Mike Huckabee - He's limited to the Bible belt
Rick Santorum - Is this guy that stupid?
John Bolten - Got milk?
Newt - Too divisive
Haley Barbour - Possible, but he's foghorn leghorn
John Thune - Possible, but tough to win the early primaries
Mitch Daniels - Needs a charisma injection, but possible
Bobby Jindal - Running in 2011 hurts any run in 2012
Chris Christie - Interesting, but has said it ain't happening in 2012
Jon Huntsman - Interesting, but too moderate for some

I know the knock against Jeb is his last name, but the others I mentioned have real problems.  Obama, from my perspective, looks to be in great shape because the field for Republicans is so awful.

 "Lost in 2008"

Reagan lost in 1976.

Bush lost in 1980.

Dole lost in 1988.

McCain lost in 2000.


The Republicans go by the turn rule, losing a previous primary is a prerequisite.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: Ben Romney on November 10, 2010, 05:36:55 PM
Please no more Bushs
if he is the nominee i would vote for The Obumbler


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: Whacker77 on November 10, 2010, 05:58:32 PM
Even if GWB would increase in popularity, I think Gramps is right.  We're not a monarchy.

Can you think of any other Republican who can win in 2012?  I know the old saying about presidential popularity being the ceiling for voting support, but how did that work out for Harry Reid?  Assuming any Republican wins because Obama will be unpopular doesn't hold water with me.

Mitt Romney - Can't connect with voters and failed in 2008
Tim Pawlenty - Possible, but a real snoozer
Sarah Palin  - Only if all Democrats and Independents die before 2012
Mike Huckabee - He's limited to the Bible belt
Rick Santorum - Is this guy that stupid?
John Bolten - Got milk?
Newt - Too divisive
Haley Barbour - Possible, but he's foghorn leghorn
John Thune - Possible, but tough to win the early primaries
Mitch Daniels - Needs a charisma injection, but possible
Bobby Jindal - Running in 2011 hurts any run in 2012
Chris Christie - Interesting, but has said it ain't happening in 2012
Jon Huntsman - Interesting, but too moderate for some

I know the knock against Jeb is his last name, but the others I mentioned have real problems.  Obama, from my perspective, looks to be in great shape because the field for Republicans is so awful.

 "Lost in 2008"

Reagan lost in 1976.

Bush lost in 1980.

Dole lost in 1988.

McCain lost in 2000.


The Republicans go by the turn rule, losing a previous primary is a prerequisite.

With all due respect, I think you made my point.

Reagan was a different issue because he took on a sitting president.  That's very different from taking on a crowded field of newbies.

Bush spent the next eight years as a VP for a successful president.  He had the record of the administration on which to fall back.

Mitt is just like Dole and McCain.  They just showed back up several years later to run the same campaign they ran last time.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: Smash255 on November 10, 2010, 06:21:43 PM
Even if GWB would increase in popularity, I think Gramps is right.  We're not a monarchy.

Can you think of any other Republican who can win in 2012?  I know the old saying about presidential popularity being the ceiling for voting support, but how did that work out for Harry Reid?  Assuming any Republican wins because Obama will be unpopular doesn't hold water with me.

Mitt Romney - Can't connect with voters and failed in 2008
Tim Pawlenty - Possible, but a real snoozer
Sarah Palin  - Only if all Democrats and Independents die before 2012
Mike Huckabee - He's limited to the Bible belt
Rick Santorum - Is this guy that stupid?
John Bolten - Got milk?
Newt - Too divisive
Haley Barbour - Possible, but he's foghorn leghorn
John Thune - Possible, but tough to win the early primaries
Mitch Daniels - Needs a charisma injection, but possible
Bobby Jindal - Running in 2011 hurts any run in 2012
Chris Christie - Interesting, but has said it ain't happening in 2012
Jon Huntsman - Interesting, but too moderate for some

I know the knock against Jeb is his last name, but the others I mentioned have real problems.  Obama, from my perspective, looks to be in great shape because the field for Republicans is so awful.

 "Lost in 2008"

Reagan lost in 1976.

Bush lost in 1980.

Dole lost in 1988.

McCain lost in 2000.


The Republicans go by the turn rule, losing a previous primary is a prerequisite.

With all due respect, I think you made my point.

Reagan was a different issue because he took on a sitting president.  That's very different from taking on a crowded field of newbies.

Bush spent the next eight years as a VP for a successful president.  He had the record of the administration on which to fall back.

Mitt is just like Dole and McCain.  They just showed back up several years later to run the same campaign they ran last time.


What??  McCain ran MUCH MUCH further to the right in 2008 than he ran in 2000.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: Whacker77 on November 10, 2010, 10:59:37 PM
McCain's campaign was little changed from 2000 in that it was a piece of crap.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: dmmidmi on November 11, 2010, 07:48:32 AM
Even if GWB would increase in popularity, I think Gramps is right.  We're not a monarchy.

Can you think of any other Republican who can win in 2012?  I know the old saying about presidential popularity being the ceiling for voting support, but how did that work out for Harry Reid?  Assuming any Republican wins because Obama will be unpopular doesn't hold water with me.

Mitt Romney - Can't connect with voters and failed in 2008
Tim Pawlenty - Possible, but a real snoozer
Sarah Palin  - Only if all Democrats and Independents die before 2012
Mike Huckabee - He's limited to the Bible belt
Rick Santorum - Is this guy that stupid?
John Bolten - Got milk?
Newt - Too divisive
Haley Barbour - Possible, but he's foghorn leghorn
John Thune - Possible, but tough to win the early primaries
Mitch Daniels - Needs a charisma injection, but possible
Bobby Jindal - Running in 2011 hurts any run in 2012
Chris Christie - Interesting, but has said it ain't happening in 2012
Jon Huntsman - Interesting, but too moderate for some

I know the knock against Jeb is his last name, but the others I mentioned have real problems.  Obama, from my perspective, looks to be in great shape because the field for Republicans is so awful.

 "Lost in 2008"

Reagan lost in 1976.

Bush lost in 1980.

Dole lost in 1988.

McCain lost in 2000.


The Republicans go by the turn rule, losing a previous primary is a prerequisite.

With all due respect, I think you made my point.

Reagan was a different issue because he took on a sitting president.  That's very different from taking on a crowded field of newbies.

Reagan also had an unsuccessful run in 1968.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on November 11, 2010, 05:56:14 PM
Even if GWB would increase in popularity, I think Gramps is right.  We're not a monarchy.

Can you think of any other Republican who can win in 2012?  I know the old saying about presidential popularity being the ceiling for voting support, but how did that work out for Harry Reid?  Assuming any Republican wins because Obama will be unpopular doesn't hold water with me.

Mitt Romney - Can't connect with voters and failed in 2008
Tim Pawlenty - Possible, but a real snoozer
Sarah Palin  - Only if all Democrats and Independents die before 2012
Mike Huckabee - He's limited to the Bible belt
Rick Santorum - Is this guy that stupid?
John Bolten - Got milk?
Newt - Too divisive
Haley Barbour - Possible, but he's foghorn leghorn
John Thune - Possible, but tough to win the early primaries
Mitch Daniels - Needs a charisma injection, but possible
Bobby Jindal - Running in 2011 hurts any run in 2012
Chris Christie - Interesting, but has said it ain't happening in 2012
Jon Huntsman - Interesting, but too moderate for some

I know the knock against Jeb is his last name, but the others I mentioned have real problems.  Obama, from my perspective, looks to be in great shape because the field for Republicans is so awful.

Let me introduce you to Iowa. :P


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: SamOukley on December 01, 2010, 08:01:20 AM
Even if GWB would increase in popularity, I think Gramps is right.  We're not a monarchy.

Can you think of any other Republican who can win in 2012?  I know the old saying about presidential popularity being the ceiling for voting support, but how did that work out for Harry Reid?  Assuming any Republican wins because Obama will be unpopular doesn't hold water with me.

Mitt Romney - Can't connect with voters and failed in 2008
Tim Pawlenty - Possible, but a real snoozer
Sarah Palin  - Only if all Democrats and Independents die before 2012
Mike Huckabee - He's limited to the Bible belt
Rick Santorum - Is this guy that stupid?
John Bolten - Got milk?
Newt - Too divisive
Haley Barbour - Possible, but he's foghorn leghorn
John Thune - Possible, but tough to win the early primaries
Mitch Daniels - Needs a charisma injection, but possible
Bobby Jindal - Running in 2011 hurts any run in 2012
Chris Christie - Interesting, but has said it ain't happening in 2012
Jon Huntsman - Interesting, but too moderate for some

I know the knock against Jeb is his last name, but the others I mentioned have real problems.  Obama, from my perspective, looks to be in great shape because the field for Republicans is so awful.

 "Lost in 2008"

Reagan lost in 1976.

Bush lost in 1980.

Dole lost in 1988.

McCain lost in 2000.


The Republicans go by the turn rule, losing a previous primary is a prerequisite.

heheheheh


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: Whacker77 on December 01, 2010, 11:11:43 AM
Reagan, Bush, and Dole were all well respected by Republican primary voters.  McCain, on the other hand, won by sucking the least.  Romney's problem is that a good section of the conservative base doesn't like him or believe him.  Otherwise, he would have been the nominee in 2008. 

Personally, I think Romney is the only guy in the projected field who can stop Palin.  That's due to his money, but he would need a large field to spread out the vote.  If Huckabee doesn't run, most of his support goes to Palin.  How in the world do Newt and Romney compete with her then?  Sarah has all of the grassroots energy.

Jeb Bush only runs as a "white knight" choice.  In other words, late next summer or early fall it becomes apparent that no one in the projected field can stop Palin and the party decides they must field someone who can compete with her.  That's where Jeb comes in to the fray.

I just can't see the tradionalist Republican party allowing Palin to march uncontested to the nomination without a real fight.  That's the main reason I keep coming back to this argument.  Some of the conservative commentators with whom I trade emails feel the same way.  Palin is the prohibative favorite.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: Grumpier Than Uncle Joe on December 01, 2010, 11:14:17 AM
Reagan, Bush, and Dole were all well respected by Republican primary voters.  McCain, on the other hand, won by sucking the least.  Romney's problem is that a good section of the conservative base doesn't like him or believe him.  Otherwise, he would have been the nominee in 2008. 

Personally, I think Romney is the only guy in the projected field who can stop Palin.  That's due to his money, but he would need a large field to spread out the vote.  If Huckabee doesn't run, most of his support goes to Palin.  How in the world do Newt and Romney compete with her then?  Sarah has all of the grassroots energy.

Jeb Bush only runs as a "white knight" choice.  In other words, late next summer or early fall it becomes apparent that no one in the projected field can stop Palin and the party decides they must field someone who can compete with her.  That's where Jeb comes in to the fray.

I just can't see the tradionalist Republican party allowing Palin to march uncontested to the nomination without a real fight.  That's the main reason I keep coming back to this argument.  Some of the conservative commentators with whom I trade emails feel the same way.  Palin is the prohibative favorite.

Jeb basically said this morning on Morning Joe he's not running......


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: pbrower2a on December 01, 2010, 11:21:46 AM
Even if GWB would increase in popularity, I think Gramps is right.  We're not a monarchy.

Can you think of any other Republican who can win in 2012?  I know the old saying about presidential popularity being the ceiling for voting support, but how did that work out for Harry Reid?  Assuming any Republican wins because Obama will be unpopular doesn't hold water with me.

Mitt Romney - Can't connect with voters and failed in 2008
Tim Pawlenty - Possible, but a real snoozer
Sarah Palin  - Only if all Democrats and Independents die before 2012
Mike Huckabee - He's limited to the Bible belt
Rick Santorum - Is this guy that stupid?
John Bolten - Got milk?
Newt - Too divisive
Haley Barbour - Possible, but he's foghorn leghorn
John Thune - Possible, but tough to win the early primaries
Mitch Daniels - Needs a charisma injection, but possible
Bobby Jindal - Running in 2011 hurts any run in 2012
Chris Christie - Interesting, but has said it ain't happening in 2012
Jon Huntsman - Interesting, but too moderate for some

I know the knock against Jeb is his last name, but the others I mentioned have real problems.  Obama, from my perspective, looks to be in great shape because the field for Republicans is so awful.

Let me introduce you to Iowa. :P

South Dakota isn't Iowa.  South Dakota hasn't voted for a Democratic nominee for President in any non-blow-out election since 1916. Iowa voted for Dukakis in 1988.

.......

There have been efforts to "rehabilitate" Dubya and his Administration in an attempt to show his Presidency as a sort of Golden Age of prosperity and political competence.  It might work among the gullible, but America has more than its share of political naifs -- the sorts who blame Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Barack Obama for shattering the confidence in the Bush economy. (Never mind that the housing bubble founded upon predatory lending and contradicted by falling real pay was unsustainable!)

If Sarah Palin can put out best sellers, then what does that say about the effectiveness of the Hard Right in pulling the wool over people's eyes?


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: Whacker77 on December 01, 2010, 01:23:13 PM
Jeb basically said this morning on Morning Joe he's not running......

This quote came from US News and World Report today.

"Bush has said he isn't interested in running for president, but close associates say that he hasn't totally ruled a race out, though he first wants to make sure his family is set financially before taking on another political race. Often called the "smart Bush" who's presidential chances seemed to die with the unpopularity of his brother, the former president, public dissatisfaction with Obama has some in the party cheering his candidacy on."



Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: albaleman on December 01, 2010, 02:43:46 PM
I think America will be smart enough stay out of the Bushes this time.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on December 04, 2010, 03:34:51 PM
If it wasn't for the current mess that Dubya left and Obama is being a moderate hero about, the Bushes would have the 3 worst Presidential terms for job growth since Hoover. Enough said.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 04, 2010, 04:17:55 PM
Jeb basically said this morning on Morning Joe he's not running......

This quote came from US News and World Report today.

"Bush has said he isn't interested in running for president, but close associates say that he hasn't totally ruled a race out, though he first wants to make sure his family is set financially before taking on another political race.

Indeed you're right.  Here's the story:

http://politics.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2010/11/30/jeb-bush-says-sarah-palin-is-fantastic


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: jacob_101 on December 04, 2010, 04:55:31 PM
Jeb would be 5 times better than his bumbling brother.  I think by 2012 dislike of the Bush family will drop dramatically from what it is now.  He's also a good debater.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 04, 2010, 05:41:09 PM
Jeb would be 5 times better than his bumbling brother. 

I know!  Look at all the bumbling in this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEtU3OEg0KM&feature=related


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: milhouse24 on December 12, 2010, 12:02:44 AM
I've been Promoting Jeb for the past year, gimme some credit!!!

His signs will all say "JEB" (John Ellis Bush) so he will hide the "Bush" name. 

He will win Florida and Ohio.  He will easily win the primary, the liberal media will have a field day but they can screw themselves because the heartland voters will prefer Jeb and his large campaign chest. 

No one will remember Jorge Dubya.  Jeb will win the Latino-Hispanic-Catholic vote.  He will be the first Catholic GOP president. 

Jeb will wait until September to announce because he has the money and can raise it quickly.  The voters will already line up to vote for him in Iowa, NH, and SC.  It is written.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: Whacker77 on December 12, 2010, 12:04:47 PM
I've been Promoting Jeb for the past year, gimme some credit!!!

His signs will all say "JEB" (John Ellis Bush) so he will hide the "Bush" name. 

He will win Florida and Ohio.  He will easily win the primary, the liberal media will have a field day but they can screw themselves because the heartland voters will prefer Jeb and his large campaign chest. 

No one will remember Jorge Dubya.  Jeb will win the Latino-Hispanic-Catholic vote.  He will be the first Catholic GOP president. 

Jeb will wait until September to announce because he has the money and can raise it quickly.  The voters will already line up to vote for him in Iowa, NH, and SC.  It is written.

I agree with what you have written and I think it's clear Jeb is setting the stage for a run.  He has visibly raised his profile in the last month or so and I don't think it's a coincidence.  Commenting on education and immigration haven't been done haphazardly.  He's doing it for a purpose.  He also knows the map is in his favor thanks to Florida.

US News and World Report said last week Florida associates of Jeb say he has not ruled out a run despite his public pronouncements.  I too agree he will wait to announce, but I think he wants to see how the field shapes out.  If Romney, Gingrich, and Huckabee can't stop Palin and someone like Pence can't catch fire, I think he gets in to prevent the party from being "stuck" with Palin.  Better to make her earn the nomination.  Watching the other flame out in 2011 doesn't do that.

As much as I think Palin is the prohibitive favorite, I think a lot is in flux.  I don't think Huckabee runs.  Mitt looks dead in the water with primary voters.  Gingrich just doesn't seem like a serious choice because of his past problems.  All that argues for Palin in a romp, but maybe she doesn't run.  Who knows how that affects Jeb.  Maybe he gets in right away, or maybe he decides not to run if Palin doesn't run.  He might only like the contrast of himself vs. Palin.

Regardless, I think Jeb wants to be president and waiting could end any hope of that.  Obama is very beatable, and should a Republican win, that pushes Jeb off to 2020.  That's another ten years and he would be in his late 60's.  I think he runs this time as a late entry "white knight" who can heal the divide between the establishment and the Tea Party.  Palin and the others only appeal to a certain portion of either group.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: milhouse24 on December 12, 2010, 02:55:38 PM
The liberal media hates Dubya Bush so they will jump on JEB unfairly, therefore he will wait to announce, sometime in the summer perhaps. 

Palin may be the nominee because she is telegenic, but the more winners will either be Thune or Barbour in Iowa and SC.  I see Thune stepping aside for Jeb.  Barbour is a commanding presence and he really wants to be president at this time.  He will give Palin a very good fight for the Christian Conservatives.  Thune is more of a VP at this point in his career. 

Basically it will come to Palin vs. Barbour - who wins???

But JEB will beat them all.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: Whacker77 on December 12, 2010, 06:31:54 PM
I think Palin, regardless of any poll right now, is extremely tough to beat in Iowa.  The caucuses are passion based and that's what Sarah supporters are, passionate.  I think the idea that Thune or Pawlenty could play well in Iowa is not likely.  Gephardt was an Iowan and still lost the caucuses in 2004.  Proximity doesn't seem to be important.

A big win in Iowa catapults Palin towards South Carolina and Haley's probable endorsement.  That all but seals the deal for her and that's what concerns so many Republicans.  It's for this reason, I see Bush as a likely entrant.  If Obama's fortunes improve over the next year or so, look for Jeb to skip and Palin to become the sacrificial Goldwater style lamb.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: tmthforu94 on December 12, 2010, 06:36:52 PM
I think Palin, regardless of any poll right now, is extremely tough to beat in Iowa.  The caucuses are passion based and that's what Sarah supporters are, passionate.  I think the idea that Thune or Pawlenty could play well in Iowa is not likely.  Gephardt was an Iowan and still lost the caucuses in 2004.  Proximity doesn't seem to be important.

A big win in Iowa catapults Palin towards South Carolina and Haley's probable endorsement.  That all but seals the deal for her and that's what concerns so many Republicans.  It's for this reason, I see Bush as a likely entrant.  If Obama's fortunes improve over the next year or so, look for Jeb to skip and Palin to become the sacrificial Goldwater style lamb.
Actually, Gephardt was from Missouri, not Iowa.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: Whacker77 on December 13, 2010, 10:45:58 AM
My mistake on Gephardt.  Knew that didn't sound right.


Title: Re: Bush Name No Longer a Hinderance for Jeb?
Post by: milhouse24 on December 13, 2010, 04:54:05 PM
My mistake on Gephardt.  Knew that didn't sound right.
You meant Vilsack

JEB may announce earlier, if only to prevent Romney, Thune, and a few others from claiming the anti-Palin voters.  It will be interesting if the Christian Conservatives will still vote for a converted Catholic like JEB, but I'm sure Dubya/Rove would convince the Falwells and others to support Jeb.