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Debate: Kalwejt

Fellow Senators,

The idea of this bill is very simple. Neutering of such species is rather dangerous process, only an experienced vet should perform. All we have to do is to require federal or regional responsible bodies to issue certificates, based upon veterinarian qualities. Such simple and noncontroversial thing, that can save lives and health of thousands of little piggies, hamsters etc. etc.

Oh, Duke, you said you hate cats. Guinea pigs hates cats too for rather obvious reasons ;)

This brings me back to the good days of 1st grade playing with our class pet, a guinea pig. His name was Hairbrush.

*Sigh*

As the owner of a wonderful guinea pig, I strongly support this bill.

May I offer an amendment to change "spices" to "species"? ;D

Sponsor?

what are the 'relevant institutions'?  since this is a federal bill, it would need to be a federal institution, otherwise it is a regional issue.

So we have doctors doing this procedure that don't know what they're doing? I'm confused.

Accepted.

Well, in the U.S. Department of Agriculture have veterinary service and I think it's safe to assume in Atlasia, Department of Internal Affairs have this as well.

I can amend it that way.

Obviously supported.

Since shua had a valid point here, I'd like to introduce following amendment:

2. Certificates shall be issued by Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service division of the Department of Internal Affairs, with a strict regard to a veterinarian qualifications

very good - I didn't realize there was such a thing.

what about rabbits? or hedgehogs? or very tiny dogs?

Senators have 24 hours to object to the adoption of the previous amendment (#17).

Rowan, in response to your question, we all know not every surgeon can perform certain kind of operation, but veterinarian world lacks such common sense regulations.

Shua, that's interesting but, despite size, small dog neuterins is not as complicated as guinea pig or hampster. See, diffrent testicals, lol.

I figure I'd chime in on this one considering the sponsor so nicely called me out. ;)

First, I've never owned a guinea pig, but if they are anything close to as pleasant as my pet hampster, Tiger, then I'd gladly support this.

My only question is, like Rowan asked, do we really have doctors performing procedures they don't know how to perform? Or is this just merely to make it official? I don't pretend to know anything about the neutering of guinea pigs, so unlike the cat bill, I'm willing to be educated. :P

This has passed.

Senators have 24 hours to object to this amendment.

Sorry for easter delay. I'll responde soon.

Well, Duke, the issue of neutering guinea pigs and hampsters is very similar physically.

I gave up an attempt to neuter my piggy, because it's difficult to find a doctor, that would perform a safe operation. Well, it's not like they are not taught this stuff during studies, but surprisingly few can be trusted enough. Most of them doesn't have experience to do this, and some would even refuse, knowing their shortcomings.

Normally, people are avoiding giving their pigs and hampsters to unproved doctor, but this simple bill is going to make our pets 100% safe.

It's hard to see how anyone can be opposed to this, although I second what Duke said in that I wasn't aware it was a major problem. But hey, can't hurt. :P

I don't see how this bill would make one more able to find a qualified vet to do it. It would still be just as hard or harder to find a vet who could do it if you added a specific license requirement, yes?

True, but it would prevent animals from getting into hands of unqualified ones.

Believe me, one of my friends lost it's hampster this way :(

I never had any of my hamsters fixed. I wasn't aware that was a widespread operation, but I'm all for protecting the little rodents.

okay but what about rabbits? weasels?

Additionally, raccoons, possums, and ferrets?

lol, this discussion sure is progressing in a weird direction.

And rabbits. Who could forget them? I want someone to neuter my rabbit properly!

You all got a point.

Hence, to resolve this once and for all, I propose following amendment:

Guinea Pigs & Co. Protection Act

Considering that neutering of domesticated little rodent speices, is much more complicated, health and life threatening procedure than neutering or larger animals, like dogs or cats:
1. Only a veterinarian with a certificate of knowledge and skills sufficient to perform such procedure, shall be allowed to
2. Certificates shall be issued by Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service division of the Department of Internal Affairs, with a strict regard to a veterinarian qualifications


Lord Speaker, the floor is all yours again!

Don't forget marsupials! Also, species, not speices. ;)

I guess rabbits are excluded here since they are not rodents.

I'm not that familiar with English terminology :(

Senators have 24 hours to object ot sponsor amendment provisonally labled number 21 (subject to change if I find an amendment offered earlier on another bill. :P)

You have my support on this bill.  Runty the rodent shouldn't be snipped by just anybody.

Are there any othee potential amendments to this? Please say so in advance. I want to move this from the floor ASAP, because frankly, I don't much see why it's important.

Would you kindly consider me writting "speices" instead of correct "species" a mere mispelling, Mr. President?

Sure.

I propose this amendment:

are you keeping wombats as pets Mr. President?

While I am a friend of the Wombat Nation, I myself have a deeper relationship with the possums.

All right, I'm adding this.

rabbits are lagomorphs. (ferrets are mustelids.)

Would someone be kind enough to put it all in one piece, so we won't piss off Yankee with multiple new amendments? :/

I am well beyond that stage already. :P


Time to get my Winchester and start exterminaten some fur bearing creatures. :P

How do we define "little"?

The Rowan has a point.

All right, I'll change it to just domesticated, since such animals, that people are keeping as pets, are rather small anyway :P

All right, with the President and Senator shua suggestions, this is my final draft:


I propose this and, because we're keeping this slot busy with one bill for too long, this is my final draft.

Okay 24 hours, which I am starting from 3:46 pm. After which I open final votes. If someone has an issue, you better raise it soon.

Amendment 22 has passed and this bill is now at final vote, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain

Aye.

Sure

Abstain.

Aye

aye

Aye

Aye

Vote on Final Passage of the Guinea Pigs & Co. Protection Act:


Ayes (6): Antonio V, bgwah, Kalwejt, NC Yankee, RowanBrandon, and Snowguy
Nays (0):
Abstain (1): Shua

Didn't Vote (3): AHDuke99, HappyWarrior, and Oakvale


The bill is passed and presented to the President.

X President Tmthforu94

Aye ftr