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Title: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Law'd)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 25, 2011, 07:13:54 AM
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Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill
1) All candidate declarations for elected office must be made in the Candidate Declaration Thread (defined as topic 40247.0) to be considered official. Should the existing thread ever be locked or deleted, it shall be the responsibility of the Secretary of Federal Elections to create a new thread and the Moderator General to sticky it.


Sponsor: bgwah


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 25, 2011, 07:14:51 AM
First non-amendment, or potential to be converted into an amendment, since this is slot 4 and its just like five.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 26, 2011, 04:47:29 AM
Makes sense.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on June 26, 2011, 11:46:30 AM
Oh, and I meant to say "Secretary of Federal Elections", not forum. Can we fix that real quick? :P


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Rowan on June 26, 2011, 10:04:20 PM
Let's do it.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on June 27, 2011, 07:09:48 AM

Yup.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on June 28, 2011, 01:20:13 AM
Why do we need this bill?


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on June 28, 2011, 01:28:14 AM

Because it has recently been pointed out that there is no law requiring declarations to be made in that thread. It can't hurt to be on the safe side and make this official.

I would be find with changing this to an amendment to an existing law (perhaps the CESRA?).


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on June 28, 2011, 01:30:52 AM
Oh, I had no idea that was the case. Carry on...


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 28, 2011, 08:26:37 AM
72 hours are up, Final vote can occur at any time now, so is there no further business on this matter?


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on June 28, 2011, 11:05:32 AM
Let's make this 8.4 under CESRA.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 28, 2011, 11:07:12 AM
That would require an amendment and a title change.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on June 28, 2011, 11:09:27 AM
Candidacy Declarations Thread Amendment to CESRA
Clause 4 is added to Section 8 to read:
All candidate declarations for elected office must be made in the Candidate Declaration Thread (defined as topic 40247.0) to be considered official. Should the existing thread ever be locked or deleted, it shall be the responsibility of the Secretary of Federal Elections to create a new thread and the Moderator General to sticky it.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 28, 2011, 11:14:48 AM
Quote from: Amendment 20 by shua
Candidacy Declarations Thread Amendment to CESRA

Clause 4 is added to Section 8 to read:
All candidate declarations for elected office must be made in the Candidate Declaration Thread (defined as topic 40247.0) to be considered official. Should the existing thread ever be locked or deleted, it shall be the responsibility of the Secretary of Federal Elections to create a new thread and the Moderator General to sticky it.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 29, 2011, 11:35:53 AM
How does the sponsor regard the amendment?


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on June 29, 2011, 11:59:07 AM
I'll accept it as friendly.

Here's another random idea I just had---should we include some time limit on candidacy declarations? And by that I mean, declarations must be made within two months of the election to be valid. Or something. :P


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 29, 2011, 12:20:55 PM
It is your bill afterall. :P Has this been an issue of note ever? You certainly have been here three times as long as I, and thus would know better if this has caused a problem.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on June 29, 2011, 01:06:09 PM
I just remember declaring for President in like 2013 as a joke. But who says my declaration isn't valid?! :P


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 29, 2011, 01:09:35 PM
Ah, so you are the trouble maker and you are trying to rain yourself in via federal law. :P


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Napoleon on July 01, 2011, 12:49:07 PM
Amendment (offered as friendly): Declarations for candidacies in which the candidate does not reside in the region he or she is running for office in shall be considered invalid.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 01, 2011, 08:09:12 PM
Amendment (offered as friendly): Declarations for candidacies in which the candidate does not reside in the region he or she is running for office in shall be considered invalid.
If we limit that to regional Senate seats I would support that, as those candidates would not be able to serve anyway if elected under federal election law. Eligibility for offices of regional government however vary for each region, and I don't believe we shall confuse that by making a person ineligible to declare a candidacy for a position that may legally hold.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Napoleon on July 01, 2011, 08:38:15 PM
Amendment (offered as friendly): Declarations for candidacies in which the candidate does not reside in the region he or she is running for office in shall be considered invalid.
If we limit that to regional Senate seats I would support that, as those candidates would not be able to serve anyway if elected under federal election law. Eligibility for offices of regional government however vary for each region, and I don't believe we shall confuse that by making a person ineligible to declare a candidacy for a position that may legally hold.

Do you have any examples?


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on July 01, 2011, 11:29:36 PM
I have several questions & comments regarding the amendment:

1) This would only be for candidate declarations... Would this stop write-ins? I'm thinking it would, since one couldn't ever accept write-ins. The only way one can accept write-ins without a post in the candidacy declarations thread would be to write themselves in in the voting booth---obviously you can't do this if you don't actually live in the region and thus can't vote there.
2) The SE and ME would have both only had one person on the ballot during last month's election had Belgian not run in every region---was it really a bad thing that Belgian made the races a tiny bit more competitive?
3) I tend to agree with Shua---I tend to think this should only apply to federal office. Let the regions decide their own rules.


I'll give you guys a day or two to respond and try writing a more comprehensive amendment to deal with this as well as my previous time frame idea.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 02, 2011, 01:46:44 PM
Belgiansocialist was not eligible to hold office in the IDS or ME based on Constitution Article 1, section 1 clause 2
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No Person shall be a Senator who has not attained 200 or more posts, whose account is not at least 60 days old, and is not a registered voter in the Region that they represent.
   Therefore to have his declaration appear on the ballot is misleading, giving the impression that an alternative existed on the ballot when in fact it did not. If belgiansocialist had not been a declared candidate, it is likely more voters would have wrote in an alternative candidate actually eligible to serve in the region, as in fact a couple did for for Badger in the ME in spite of belgiansocialist's appearance on the ballot.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 02, 2011, 01:48:27 PM
I support Bgwah's proposal, I think two months before the election is the right time for opening candidacies to an office. I also support Napoleon's amendment if limited to federal offices. err, apparently the problem doesn't exist. :P


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 02, 2011, 01:56:52 PM
I support Bgwah's proposal, I think two months before the election is the right time for opening candidacies to an office. I also support Napoleon's amendment if limited to federal offices. err, apparently the problem doesn't exist. :P
No, the problem exists in that as far as I can tell, the eligibility for being on the ballot isn't legally dependent for the eligibility for actually holding office.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 02, 2011, 02:05:52 PM
Oh, in this case the amendment is even more needed.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 03, 2011, 07:28:14 AM
Are the regions not perfectly capable of aligning their requirements for holding the office with those for running for the office?


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 03, 2011, 08:56:36 AM
Are the regions not perfectly capable of aligning their requirements for holding the office with those for running for the office?
Do the regions have any control over what appears on a federal ballot?


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 03, 2011, 09:07:50 AM
Are the regions not perfectly capable of aligning their requirements for holding the office with those for running for the office?
Do the regions have any control over what appears on a federal ballot?

I didn't ask whether they have the ability to do so now. I am asking whether they are capable of determining who is eligible to represent them, by whatever means.  Then if so, the question becomes should they be provided with that involvement or not.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 03, 2011, 09:23:42 AM
Are the regions not perfectly capable of aligning their requirements for holding the office with those for running for the office?
Do the regions have any control over what appears on a federal ballot?

I didn't ask whether they have the ability to do so now. I am asking whether they are capable of determining who is eligible to represent them, by whatever means.  Then if so, the question becomes should they be provided with that involvement or not.
In terms of eligibility to represent them, yes, I think they would be - though in the case of the Senate, to do that would require a constitutional amendment. In terms of current law though, if the federal constitution determines eligibility, I believe the federal government also has a responsibility to make sure only those eligible appear on the federally administered ballot.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on July 03, 2011, 10:03:53 PM
lol, so I looking through all the amendments to the CESRA, there's already a clause 4 of section 8 added by the fifth amendment to the CESRA (https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_Consolidated_Electoral_System_Reform_Act)... I would like to take this opportunity to just go ahead and clean up the entire CESRA.

I've identified the following amendments, and will update the CESRA's main page accordingly:

1) F.L. 16-4: Federal Activity Requirements Revision Act (https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Federal_Activity_Requirements_Revision_Act)
2) F.L. 21-1: Consolidated Electoral System Reform Act (Amendment) Act (https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Consolidated_Electoral_System_Reform_Act_%28Amendment%29_Act)
3) F.L. 31-23: Third Amendment to the Consolidated Electoral System Reform Act (https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Third_Amendment_to_the_Consolidated_Electoral_System_Reform_Act)
4) F.L. 32-6: Anti-Zombie Act of 2009 (https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Anti-Zombie_Act_of_2009)
5) F.L. 36-7: Fifth Amendment to the Consolidated Electoral System Reform Act (https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_Consolidated_Electoral_System_Reform_Act)
6) F.L. 39-9: Amendment to the Consolidated Electoral System Reform Act (https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Amendment_to_the_Consolidated_Electoral_Systems_Reform_Act)

Please tell me if I've missed any. Also feel free to suggest any pieces of legislation that are currently separate but should probably be repealed and replaced with an amendment to the CESRA for simplicity's sake.

I just edited the CESRA's main page (link (https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Consolidated_Electoral_System_Reform_Act)), so as to make it easier to figure out what the current act looks like. This should make it easier to figure out what our current amendment should look like...


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on July 03, 2011, 11:23:07 PM
On second thought, I have decided that a comprehensive reform of the CESRA would be best left to another amendment dedicated solely to that purpose. I may work on this in the near future if I can get someone with SoFE experience to assist me. In the mean time, here is my amendment dedicated solely to candidacy declarations:


Seventh Amendment to the Consolidated Electoral System Reform Act

1) The following is added to Section 8 as Clause 5: "All candidate declarations for elected office must be made in the Candidate Declaration Thread (defined as topic 40247.0) to be considered official. Should the existing thread ever be locked or deleted, it shall be the responsibility of the Secretary of Federal Elections to create a new thread and the Moderator General to sticky it."
2) The following is added to Section 8 as Clause 6: "A candidate may not declare for an office more than two months before the earliest possible commencement of the election."
3) The following is added to Section 8 as Clause 7: "Candidacy declarations for a regional or district Senate seat shall only be considered valid if the candidate is registered to vote within the region or district in which he or she is running."


I am of course offering the above as an amendment to the current bill. As you can see, we have 1) The original purpose of this bill 2) My idea to stop very early declarations for office and 3) Napoleon's idea concerning regional seats. I hope clause 3 isn't confusing.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 04, 2011, 05:55:31 AM
Does the honorable Senator from the NE still seek to pursue his earlier amendment?


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 04, 2011, 06:06:44 AM
I fully support Bgwah's version.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 04, 2011, 12:03:22 PM
What is the problem with candidates declaring for office more than 2 months beforehand?


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 05, 2011, 04:20:39 AM
What is the problem with candidates declaring for office more than 2 months beforehand?

That it makes the SoFE's life a hell, maybe ? :P


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 05, 2011, 05:50:19 AM
Does the honorable Senator from the NE still seek to pursue his earlier amendment?

The OSPR requires amendments to be considered in the order they are offered. So I have to do Napoleon's first unless he indicates he is withdrawing it in favor of bgwah's. Considering there is a reasonable chance that is the case, I will ask one more time whether that is so.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 05, 2011, 07:43:16 AM
Quote from: Amendment 44:1 by Napoleon
Amendment (offered as friendly): Declarations for candidacies in which the candidate does not reside in the region he or she is running for office in shall be considered invalid.


Quote from: Amendment 44:2 by bgwah
Seventh Amendment to the Consolidated Electoral System Reform Act

1) The following is added to Section 8 as Clause 5: "All candidate declarations for elected office must be made in the Candidate Declaration Thread (defined as topic 40247.0) to be considered official. Should the existing thread ever be locked or deleted, it shall be the responsibility of the Secretary of Federal Elections to create a new thread and the Moderator General to sticky it."
2) The following is added to Section 8 as Clause 6: "A candidate may not declare for an office more than two months before the earliest possible commencement of the election."
3) The following is added to Section 8 as Clause 7: "Candidacy declarations for a regional or district Senate seat shall only be considered valid if the candidate is registered to vote within the region or district in which he or she is running."


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Napoleon on July 05, 2011, 09:23:05 AM
No, if that wasn't clear, sorry.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 05, 2011, 09:33:47 AM
Okay, 44:1 is withdrawn.


Amendment 44:2 is a sponsor originated Amendment. Senators have 24 hours to object to it's passage.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 05, 2011, 09:45:52 AM
i object, on the basis of the part about the time limit for candidacy declarations, which I don't see the need for.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Napoleon on July 05, 2011, 09:53:18 AM
i object, on the basis of the part about the time limit for candidacy declarations, which I don't see the need for.

It would take for ever to sift through months worth of pages to see if anyone declared for an election more than two months ahead of time.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 05, 2011, 09:57:44 AM
Quote from: Amendment 44:2 by bgwah
Seventh Amendment to the Consolidated Electoral System Reform Act

1) The following is added to Section 8 as Clause 5: "All candidate declarations for elected office must be made in the Candidate Declaration Thread (defined as topic 40247.0) to be considered official. Should the existing thread ever be locked or deleted, it shall be the responsibility of the Secretary of Federal Elections to create a new thread and the Moderator General to sticky it."
2) The following is added to Section 8 as Clause 6: "A candidate may not declare for an office more than two months before the earliest possible commencement of the election."
3) The following is added to Section 8 as Clause 7: "Candidacy declarations for a regional or district Senate seat shall only be considered valid if the candidate is registered to vote within the region or district in which he or she is running."


The above amendment is now at vote, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Napoleon on July 05, 2011, 10:18:21 AM
Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 05, 2011, 10:23:33 AM
Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 05, 2011, 12:01:04 PM
i object, on the basis of the part about the time limit for candidacy declarations, which I don't see the need for.

It would take for ever to sift through months worth of pages to see if anyone declared for an election more than two months ahead of time.

I think that's less work than checking every time someone declares to see if they are declaring too early for the position they are seeking and letting them know they have to wait and declare later.

Nay


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Napoleon on July 05, 2011, 12:04:53 PM
i object, on the basis of the part about the time limit for candidacy declarations, which I don't see the need for.

It would take for ever to sift through months worth of pages to see if anyone declared for an election more than two months ahead of time.

I think that's less work than checking every time someone declares to see if they are declaring too early for the position they are seeking and letting them know they have to wait and declare later.

Nay


They could open a declaration period for each election onthe specified day.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: bgwah on July 05, 2011, 05:32:10 PM
aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Ban my account ffs! on July 05, 2011, 05:46:27 PM
aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 06, 2011, 05:55:56 AM
Aye.


If shua were to come back after this passes and then offer an amendment to strike just that part dealing with the time limit, then I would at this point most likely vote for that.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Fuzzybigfoot on July 06, 2011, 06:24:48 PM
Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on July 07, 2011, 12:25:36 AM
Abstain


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on July 07, 2011, 12:43:33 AM
Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 07, 2011, 08:35:58 AM
Vote on Amendmnet 44:2 to the Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill:

Aye (7): AHDuke99, Antonio V, bgwah, Fuzzybigfoot, Napoleon, NC Yankee, and Snowguy716
Nay (1): shua
Abstain (1): Officepark

The amendment is adopted and regular debate resumes.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 07, 2011, 09:23:31 AM
has there ever been a problem with the issue of someone declaring so early the election administer missed it? I'd like to understand what the rationale here is and see if we can't come up with a compromise.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 07, 2011, 09:35:35 AM
has there ever been a problem with the issue of someone declaring so early the election administer missed it? I'd like to understand what the rationale here is and see if we can't come up with a compromise.

Why should be wait for a problem to emerge to solve it ? Preventing it from happening is easier and can avoid another stupid constitutional crisis.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Napoleon on July 07, 2011, 12:22:29 PM
has there ever been a problem with the issue of someone declaring so early the election administer missed it? I'd like to understand what the rationale here is and see if we can't come up with a compromise.

I don't see what's wrong with what I suggested.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 07, 2011, 11:41:06 PM
has there ever been a problem with the issue of someone declaring so early the election administer missed it? I'd like to understand what the rationale here is and see if we can't come up with a compromise.

Why should be wait for a problem to emerge to solve it ? Preventing it from happening is easier and can avoid another stupid constitutional crisis.
1) it's disruptive when you change this sort of thing from established practice of people being able to declare whenever.
2)what's the constitutional crisis?  If the constitution is implicated, maybe legislation isn't enough and we need an amendment.
3)again, what is so special about 2 months?
4) if the election administrator allows someone on the ballot who declared more than two months prior, can they be sued?
5)if we are going to do this we at least need to make it absolutely clear to everyone what the start date is to declare for every single race at the regional and federal level.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 08, 2011, 08:02:38 AM
Senator shua, do you desire to persue an independent amendment to strike the time limit from the bill?


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 08, 2011, 03:22:02 PM
Yes, I suppose that is the best way to go forward right now.
I'd like to amend the bill to strike the proposed clause 6.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 08, 2011, 03:47:32 PM
Quote from: Amendment 44:6
I'd like to amend the bill to strike the proposed clause 6.


Do I even need to ask bgwah? ;) Well, actually I do, but you know what I mean. :P


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 11, 2011, 06:37:17 AM
Senator bgwah, we await your official response to the amendment. Friendly or hostile?


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 12, 2011, 07:55:01 AM
Oh for heaven's sake, come on!


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on July 12, 2011, 05:11:59 PM
Hostile!


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Ban my account ffs! on July 12, 2011, 07:16:32 PM
Bring this mother to a vote!  I want my bill to be up SOOOOOOON because Texas, New Mexico, and Oklahoma are frying :(  And it's spreading and getting worse (and likely to get much worse as all signs indicate another bone dry winter in 2011/12).


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 13, 2011, 06:35:31 AM
Amendment 44:6 is now at vote, please vote aye, nay or abstain.




Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 13, 2011, 06:36:31 AM
Bring this mother to a vote!  I want my bill to be up SOOOOOOON because Texas, New Mexico, and Oklahoma are frying :(  And it's spreading and getting worse (and likely to get much worse as all signs indicate another bone dry winter in 2011/12).

Do you want it in the Emergency slot, it is currently open. The PPT slot will soon be open as well.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 13, 2011, 06:39:38 AM
Nay


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 13, 2011, 11:29:18 AM
Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Napoleon on July 13, 2011, 11:35:38 AM
Nay


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on July 13, 2011, 01:44:29 PM
Nay


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: bgwah on July 13, 2011, 08:23:23 PM
Nay


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Ban my account ffs! on July 14, 2011, 02:01:29 AM
NCY- If you can work it in soon, that'll be just fine.  Thanks.


Nay to the amendment.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 14, 2011, 07:29:06 AM
NCY- If you can work it in soon, that'll be just fine.  Thanks.


Nay to the amendment.

The problem is that the OSPR insists on going in order of introduction on most of the slots. It's midway down through the queue. It could be two weeks or more before it can come to the floor. While we don't have a calendar like the RL bodies, since the amount of time a bill will take is unknown, there is no way to be certain just how long it will be.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Fuzzybigfoot on July 14, 2011, 12:54:13 PM
Nay


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 15, 2011, 08:29:25 AM
I'll propose this as an alternative:

2) The following is added to Section 8 as Clause 6: "The SoFE may post notice that candidate declarations for a federal election are open, at a date two months or greater before the earliest possible commencement of that election. In this case candidate declarations made before the date of this notice will not be valid."


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 15, 2011, 09:51:49 AM
Final vote on amendment 44:6

Aye (2): NC Yankee and shua
Nay (6): AHDuke99, Antonio V, bgwah, fuzzybigfoot, Napoleon and Snowguy716
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (1): Officepark

The amendment is not adopted.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 15, 2011, 09:53:03 AM
Quote from: Amendment 44:8 by Senator shua


2) The following is added to Section 8 as Clause 6: "The SoFE may post notice that candidate declarations for a federal election are open, at a date two months or greater before the earliest possible commencement of that election. In this case candidate declarations made before the date of this notice will not be valid."


How does the sponsor view the amendment?


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 16, 2011, 02:53:13 PM
JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I just love sh**t that has double meanings, even more so when I can use both of them at the same time. >:D


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on July 16, 2011, 02:56:30 PM
Hostile again!! Enough with the amendments. :P


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 16, 2011, 03:01:04 PM
Senators, a vote is now open on Amendment 44:8 by shua, please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: bgwah on July 16, 2011, 03:56:26 PM
Nay.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 16, 2011, 04:17:21 PM
Nay


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Napoleon on July 16, 2011, 04:18:36 PM
Abstain


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Fuzzybigfoot on July 17, 2011, 10:41:23 AM
Nay


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 17, 2011, 07:24:07 PM
Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 18, 2011, 11:50:38 AM
Aye

I'm a little surprised the sponsor doesn't welcome the opportunity to make this bill workable.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Ban my account ffs! on July 18, 2011, 04:51:20 PM
Nay


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: bgwah on July 18, 2011, 05:36:26 PM
Aye

I'm a little surprised the sponsor doesn't welcome the opportunity to make this bill workable.

I don't think your amendments are necessary...


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 19, 2011, 01:55:59 AM
Aye

I'm a little surprised the sponsor doesn't welcome the opportunity to make this bill workable.

I don't think your amendments are necessary...

then how are these issues adressed?

4) if the election administrator allows someone on the ballot who declared more than two months prior, can they be sued?
5)if we are going to do this we at least need to make it absolutely clear to everyone what the start date is to declare for every single race at the regional and federal level.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: CatoMinor on July 19, 2011, 09:11:46 PM
Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: bgwah on July 19, 2011, 09:15:23 PM
I don't see how your amendment fixes addresses those points.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on July 19, 2011, 09:17:09 PM
Quote from: Amendment 44:8 by Senator shua


2) The following is added to Section 8 as Clause 6: "The SoFE may post notice that candidate declarations for a federal election are open, at a date two months or greater before the earliest possible commencement of that election. In this case candidate declarations made before the date of this notice will not be valid."


How does the sponsor view the amendment?

Just for the record, I consider "Reasonable effort" to mean looking at all declarations since the last election (2 months) and I have no plans to look for declarations before this period. This has been a personal policy of mine since the last time I held this office.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 21, 2011, 03:47:58 PM
Five days are up

Vote on Amendment 44:8:

Aye (3) Jbrase, NC Yankee and Shua
Nay (4): Antonio, bgwah, fuzzybigfoot, and Snowguy
Abstain (1): Napoleon

Didn't vote (2): AHDuke99 and officepark

The amendment has failed.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on July 21, 2011, 08:53:48 PM
Can we have a final vote now? :)


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Bacon King on July 22, 2011, 01:25:46 AM
Indeed! Senators, this bill is now at a final vote. Please vote aye, nay, or abstain.

For your convenience, the text of the final bill is included below.

Quote
Seventh Amendment to the Consolidated Electoral System Reform Act

1) The following is added to Section 8 as Clause 5: "All candidate declarations for elected office must be made in the Candidate Declaration Thread (defined as topic 40247.0) to be considered official. Should the existing thread ever be locked or deleted, it shall be the responsibility of the Secretary of Federal Elections to create a new thread and the Moderator General to sticky it."
2) The following is added to Section 8 as Clause 6: "A candidate may not declare for an office more than two months before the earliest possible commencement of the election."
3) The following is added to Section 8 as Clause 7: "Candidacy declarations for a regional or district Senate seat shall only be considered valid if the candidate is registered to vote within the region or district in which he or she is running."



Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on July 22, 2011, 01:27:02 AM
Aye.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Napoleon on July 22, 2011, 01:29:26 AM
Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 22, 2011, 07:57:51 AM
Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Fuzzybigfoot on July 22, 2011, 09:03:36 AM
Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 22, 2011, 09:48:27 AM
Aye





Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (At Final Vote)
Post by: CatoMinor on July 22, 2011, 12:07:34 PM
Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 22, 2011, 12:10:08 PM
Final vote on the "Seventh Amendment to the Consolidated Electoral System Reform Act":

Aye (6): Antonio V, bgwah, fuzzybigfoot, Jbrase, Napoleon, and NC Yankee
Nay (0):
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (4): AHDuke99, officepark, shua and Snowguy716

The bill has passed the senate and is presented to the President for Executive action.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (On the President's Desk)
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on July 22, 2011, 07:18:56 PM
Aye ftr


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on July 23, 2011, 09:02:40 PM
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Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (On the President's Desk)
Post by: bgwah on July 23, 2011, 10:33:47 PM
Never thought this would be a >100 page thread.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Candidacy Declarations Thread Bill (On the President's Desk)
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on July 31, 2011, 07:58:50 PM
Never thought this would be a >100 page thread.

Huh? I only count 8 pages.