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Title: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 03, 2011, 12:42:34 AM
Welcome! Quite a few amendments Atlasians are voting on these days, so let's see how they've been faring.
First up - the Regional Senators Clarification Amendment, meant to ensure exactly one regional senator for each region. The vote finished up a few days ago.  The amendment passed 4 of 5 regions - but just barely, as the Pacific tied, and the Midwest passed it with a margin of just one vote.

Pacific:       3 Aye, 3 Nay -  TIE
Midwest:    6 Aye, 5 Nay
Northeast:  7 Aye, 4 Nay
IDS:        11 Aye, 1 Nay
Mideast:  13 Aye, 1 Nay


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on July 03, 2011, 12:45:19 AM
     The regional breakdown is sort of interesting. It would have been funny if the Fair Amendment Procedure Amendment had been passed properly & then first used to pass an amendment favored by the more right-wing regions.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 03, 2011, 12:53:39 AM
Map by Region: Regional Senators Clarification Amendment
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Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Barnes on July 03, 2011, 12:55:56 AM
Very nice, shua. Much appreciated! :)


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 03, 2011, 03:15:44 AM
    The regional breakdown is sort of interesting. It would have been funny if the Fair Amendment Procedure Amendment had been passed properly & then first used to pass an amendment favored by the more right-wing regions.

Well, my Amendment was never intended to be a fix for the left. :P Of course if the Clarification Amendment failed in PA and MW despite receiving 2/3rds of the votes, it would further prove my point.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on July 03, 2011, 03:25:03 AM
     The regional breakdown is sort of interesting. It would have been funny if the Fair Amendment Procedure Amendment had been passed properly & then first used to pass an amendment favored by the more right-wing regions.

Well, my Amendment was never intended to be a fix for the left. :P Of course if the Clarification Amendment failed in PA and MW despite receiving 2/3rds of the votes, it would further prove my point.

     Perhaps so, but reducing the difficulty of passing amendments has always been something that was more popular on the left than on the right, possibly due to the number of left-wing amendments that have failed narrowly over the years. That's why I said it would be funny if an amendment passed because of it while failing in the two regions controlled by the left.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 03, 2011, 05:43:51 AM
     The regional breakdown is sort of interesting. It would have been funny if the Fair Amendment Procedure Amendment had been passed properly & then first used to pass an amendment favored by the more right-wing regions.

Well, my Amendment was never intended to be a fix for the left. :P Of course if the Clarification Amendment failed in PA and MW despite receiving 2/3rds of the votes, it would further prove my point.

     Perhaps so, but reducing the difficulty of passing amendments has always been something that was more popular on the left than on the right, possibly due to the number of left-wing amendments that have failed narrowly over the years. That's why I said it would be funny if an amendment passed because of it while failing in the two regions controlled by the left.

It would still be a victory for democracy, though. ;)


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 03, 2011, 12:18:37 PM
Very nice, shua. Much appreciated! :)
You're very welcome. Glad you like it.
     The regional breakdown is sort of interesting. It would have been funny if the Fair Amendment Procedure Amendment had been passed properly & then first used to pass an amendment favored by the more right-wing regions.

Well, my Amendment was never intended to be a fix for the left. :P Of course if the Clarification Amendment failed in PA and MW despite receiving 2/3rds of the votes, it would further prove my point.

     Perhaps so, but reducing the difficulty of passing amendments has always been something that was more popular on the left than on the right, possibly due to the number of left-wing amendments that have failed narrowly over the years. That's why I said it would be funny if an amendment passed because of it while failing in the two regions controlled by the left.

It would still be a victory for democracy, though. ;)
My sense has been the left/right split over this issue is really a split between national versus regional democracy.



Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 03, 2011, 12:50:56 PM
Reduction of Registration Requirements Amendment

The Senate had a long and contentious debate on this amendment, with lots of different proposals being discussed. In the end the "50:14" formula, which involved only a modest reduction in requirements, passed the Senate and then went on to pass the regions. Only in the Northeast was there less than a 2/3 vote in favor.


Northeast  6 Aye, 3 Nay, 1 Abstain
IDS          8  Aye, 2 Nay, 1 Abstain
Pacific       6 Aye,  1 Nay
Mideast     7  Aye, 1 Nay
Midwest  10 Aye, 0 Nay, 1 Abstain


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: California8429 on July 03, 2011, 12:52:45 PM
Hey you have the Midwest twice :P


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 03, 2011, 01:13:03 PM
fixed.

No More Holiday Elections Amendment (ongoing)

Pacific (closed)                 5 Aye, 0 Nay, 1 Abstain
Midwest (closed)               5 Aye, 3 Nay, 1 Abstain
Mideast (closed)               6 Aye, 1 Nay, 2 Abstain
IDS (closed)                     0 Aye, 4 Nay, 1 Abstain
Northeast (closes Tue. PM) 1 Aye, 7 Nay

This one looks to be pretty close in terms of total votes, and will only pass in 3 of 5 regions barring a last minute wave of support. Maybe people aren't as upset about the low turnout during the Easter weekend election as it seemed.



Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: minionofmidas on July 03, 2011, 01:48:55 PM
We do count twice.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on July 03, 2011, 01:52:06 PM
Christ almighty. I can't believe we are voting on an amendment Antonio and I fought over 6 months ago! :P


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on July 03, 2011, 01:54:16 PM
Also, the last election also had less than 100 voters I think. Perhaps the people see the holiday amendment is useless like I do.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on July 03, 2011, 10:16:01 PM
Also, the last election also had less than 100 voters I think. Perhaps the people see the holiday amendment is useless like I do.
If I'm confirmed I'll be bringing back my "raise the turnout" campaign.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on July 03, 2011, 10:36:09 PM
Also, the last election also had less than 100 voters I think. Perhaps the people see the holiday amendment is useless like I do.
If I'm confirmed I'll be bringing back my "raise the turnout" campaign.

Okay. I hope you're successful!


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 05, 2011, 08:44:36 PM
The No More Holiday Elections Amendment won in the Pacific, Mideast, and Midwest, but lost in the Northeast and IDS.  Though there was no clear regional or ideological issue, the vote was highly polarized by region.

Pacific                 5 Aye, 0 Nay, 1 Abstain
Mideast               6 Aye, 1 Nay, 2 Abstain
Midwest              5 Aye, 3 Nay, 1 Abstain
IDS                    0 Aye, 4 Nay, 1 Abstain
Northeast           1 Aye, 7 Nay

Total                  17 Aye, 15 Nay, 5 Abstain

vote by region (including abstaining votes in figuring percentages)
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Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Yelnoc on July 06, 2011, 09:15:49 PM
OK is in the MW


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 06, 2011, 11:45:13 PM
indeed it is.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on July 07, 2011, 05:14:58 PM

Sad thing, isn't it?


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Thomas D on July 07, 2011, 05:22:14 PM

When I joined I tried to get then Mideast Governor Tmthforu to trade us Wisconsin for Oklahoma. But he said Nay.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 07, 2011, 05:24:35 PM

When I joined I tried to get then Mideast Governor Tmthforu to trade us Wisconsin for Oklahoma. But he said Nay.
It would have looked funny, I'm sorry. I would definitely support a trade of Kansas and Missouri though, considering I'm a Jayhawker. ;)


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Thomas D on July 07, 2011, 05:35:36 PM

When I joined I tried to get then Mideast Governor Tmthforu to trade us Wisconsin for Oklahoma. But he said Nay.
It would have looked funny, I'm sorry. I would definitely support a trade of Kansas and Missouri though, considering I'm a Jayhawker. ;)

You'd take Kansas but let it be surrounded by us?

Ooookkkkkaaayyy.

If you had told me this when I was Prime Verin I would have jumped at this. ;)


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 07, 2011, 05:36:45 PM

When I joined I tried to get then Mideast Governor Tmthforu to trade us Wisconsin for Oklahoma. But he said Nay.
It would have looked funny, I'm sorry. I would definitely support a trade of Kansas and Missouri though, considering I'm a Jayhawker. ;)

You'd take Kansas but let it be surrounded by us?

Ooookkkkkaaayyy.

If you had told me this when I was Prime Verin I would have jumped at this. ;)

Well...We could take Iowa, Nebraska, and Kansas. You could have Missouri, Kentucky, and Oklahoma.
:)


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Thomas D on July 07, 2011, 05:53:22 PM
Well you and I are retired so I guess it's all just chatter. But Governor's trading states would make the game more fun. In a chaotic sort of way.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 08, 2011, 12:05:19 AM
Fair Amending Procedure Amedment (redux)
We're voting on this again? yeah, some procedural snafu made the last time we voted on this not quite official. That problem has since been corrected (we think). The vote has closed already in the Midwest and IDS, but elsewhere the vote continues until the 12th. So far, it's failing it's own test - getting nowhere near 2/3 of the transregional vote.

Midwest (closed)  3 Aye - 1 Nay
IDS (closed)        1 Aye - 5 Nay - 1 abstain
Pacific                 5 Aye - 2 Nay
Northeast            6 Aye - 5 Nay
Mideast               0 Aye - 8 Nay


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 08, 2011, 07:36:24 AM
Several IDSers who voted Aye the first time all voted nay this time. I'd really like to know why. ???


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 08, 2011, 07:40:38 AM
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?board=68.0


Turnout was cut in half for one. Lack of an aggressive push, maybe?


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 08, 2011, 08:28:52 AM
I think the biggest problem is the lack of promotion and advocacy for these amendments. Remember how devisive the Ludlow Amendment was? If such intense debate had occured I am confident Fair Amending Procedure would have passed once again.


You know, you could try suing and seeing if you can get the Supreme Court to rule that it had passed once it was ratified the last time. At the very least it could provide clarification whether the Governors can pre-ratify an amendment (provided the text is exactly the same) since they have such flexibity regarding ratification after senate passage (as late as years afterwards even, or not at all).


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 08, 2011, 08:37:47 AM
You know, you could try suing and seeing if you can get the Supreme Court to rule that it had passed once it was ratified the last time. At the very least it could provide clarification whether the Governors can pre-ratify an amendment (provided the text is exactly the same) since they have such flexibity regarding ratification after senate passage (as late as years afterwards even, or not at all).

I would lose anyways. But I can't believe I literally PMed people who supported it about supporting it again and that those people voted nay. It was Yelnoc, TB75, and many others... Also look at Duke, who was one of those who pushed forward the final compromise !


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 08, 2011, 08:46:45 AM
You know, you could try suing and seeing if you can get the Supreme Court to rule that it had passed once it was ratified the last time. At the very least it could provide clarification whether the Governors can pre-ratify an amendment (provided the text is exactly the same) since they have such flexibity regarding ratification after senate passage (as late as years afterwards even, or not at all).

I would lose anyways. But I can't believe I literally PMed people who supported it about supporting it again and that those people voted nay. It was Yelnoc, TB75, and many others... Also look at Duke, who was one of those who pushed forward the final compromise !

Yea, but I still think the public campaign has an important impact on interest and then turnout.

I certainly have not been privy to any efforts regarding any of these amendments. I haven't had the time, so don't look at me. :P


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 15, 2011, 03:54:45 PM
Fair Amending Procedure Amendment (final result)

Ironically, this amendment meant to promote a more democratic and less regional process gained the vote of the majority of the regions at 3-2, but lost the popular vote by that same ratio. Not having won four out of five regions, it fails regardless.

Midwest        3 Aye  1 Nay
Pacific           5 Aye  2 Nay 
Northeast      7 Aye  6 Nay
IDS              1 Aye  5 Nay   1 Abstain
Mideast        0 Aye  10 Nay

Total            16 Aye    24 Nay  1 Abstain

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Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 15, 2011, 09:52:25 PM
I was really surprised the Mideast voted unanimously against it.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 16, 2011, 04:17:12 AM
Bunch of hacks.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: ZuWo on July 16, 2011, 04:43:06 AM
Not even the regions where the Fair Amending Procedure Amendment received a majority of the votes supported it by a convincing margin. That really surprised me - apart from the fact that no one in our region came out in support of it, as Tmth said.

Great maps, btw!


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: minionofmidas on July 16, 2011, 05:17:20 AM
Well you and I are retired so I guess it's all just chatter. But Governor's trading states would make the game more fun. In a chaotic sort of way.
We did, of course, actually trade New Mexico for Montana at some point early in the game. Then unsuccessfully fought, for years, to get it back.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Yelnoc on July 16, 2011, 08:56:27 AM
Not really.  The bill would cede regional power.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on July 17, 2011, 10:26:25 AM


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: California8429 on July 17, 2011, 12:50:21 PM
^

And in case you haven't noticed we're the Regional Protection Party


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 17, 2011, 03:44:19 PM
Opposing common sense reforms just because they don't fit your ideology (like "regional rights") is the definition of hackery.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: California8429 on July 17, 2011, 03:49:18 PM
Opposing common sense reforms just because they don't fit your ideology (like "regional rights") is the definition of hackery.

It's the exact opposite of common sense, and yes we're going to support our ideology of giving power to the regions. The federal government already controls so much and now you want to pass regional rights when amending the Constitution, which usually does not happen lightly.

So if you are opposed to lower taxes since we have massive corporate and individual federal tax rates that discourage jobs and businesses from staying here even though it's common sense to do so you're a hack by your definition for not putting aside your ideology. Ideologies or just that, ideologies. It's what we believe in. Everyone isn't going to throw their stances on the issues aside to line up an unify for one solution presented to every problem.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: ZuWo on July 17, 2011, 03:54:57 PM
Using "common sense" as an argument on hotly debated issues such as regional rights is not very practical, and thus it is not helpful to call someone a "hack" who doesn't fit one's very subjective definition of "common sense".


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 17, 2011, 04:00:46 PM
Sorry, but I can't see how anyone can genuinely argue that a reform supported by 2/3rds of the citizens shouldn't be passed simply because it means "ceding regional power".


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Yelnoc on July 17, 2011, 04:12:34 PM
Sorry, but I can't see how anyone can genuinely argue that a reform supported by 2/3rds of the citizens shouldn't be passed simply because it means "ceding regional power".
It cedes the right of regions to be obstructionist, placing democracy over federalism.  In the real world I would support that, but in-game I think a federalist system works much better.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: California8429 on July 17, 2011, 11:45:45 PM
Sorry, but I can't see how anyone can genuinely argue that a reform supported by 2/3rds of the citizens shouldn't be passed simply because it means "ceding regional power".
It cedes the right of regions to be obstructionist, placing democracy over federalism.  In the real world I would support that, but in-game I think a federalist system works much better.

Not to mention the fact that here it places zombie votes over active citizens from all sides of the map


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on September 05, 2011, 11:20:09 AM
The Senate Vacancy Regional Flexibility Amendment passed back in the end of July.

We'd be interested to know : have any regions taken an opportunity since then to allow them to fill a Senate vacancy by democratic or some other means beside gubernatorial appointment?


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: ilikeverin on September 05, 2011, 09:10:27 PM
The Senate Vacancy Regional Flexibility Amendment passed back in the end of July.

We'd be interested to know : have any regions taken an opportunity since then to allow them to fill a Senate vacancy by democratic or some other means beside gubernatorial appointment?

Wait, it passed?  I thought for sure some of the anti-reform regions rejected it?


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Junkie on September 05, 2011, 10:44:11 PM
Pacific did.  Bgwah wrote it.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on September 05, 2011, 11:04:48 PM
I wrote the amendment, but bgwah proposed a change to it that I accepted as friendly.
But yes, it actually passed all regions unanimously.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: ilikeverin on September 06, 2011, 11:24:15 AM
I wrote the amendment, but bgwah proposed a change to it that I accepted as friendly.
But yes, it actually passed all regions unanimously.

Oh.  Hmm.  Well, we'll have to fix the defaultness in the Midwest.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Junkie on September 06, 2011, 11:58:35 AM
I wrote the amendment, but bgwah proposed a change to it that I accepted as friendly.
But yes, it actually passed all regions unanimously.

No I meant that he wrote the Pacific statute that allowed for an election in the event of a vacancy and that it passed.  There are some triggers as to time before the next election that determine if it is an election or appointment, but we have already passed a statute in light of the amendment.  Sorry, I should have been more clear.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: minionofmidas on September 06, 2011, 12:04:50 PM
I wrote the amendment, but bgwah proposed a change to it that I accepted as friendly.
But yes, it actually passed all regions unanimously.

Oh.  Hmm.  Well, we'll have to fix the defaultness in the Midwest.
Absolutely not.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: ilikeverin on September 06, 2011, 01:04:12 PM
I wrote the amendment, but bgwah proposed a change to it that I accepted as friendly.
But yes, it actually passed all regions unanimously.

Oh.  Hmm.  Well, we'll have to fix the defaultness in the Midwest.
Absolutely not.

I think we can do better than the Prime Verin appointing for vacancies!  What about a lottery, presided over by the Deputy Verin?  That would be more loony!


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on September 06, 2011, 03:25:21 PM
I wrote the amendment, but bgwah proposed a change to it that I accepted as friendly.
But yes, it actually passed all regions unanimously.

No I meant that he wrote the Pacific statute that allowed for an election in the event of a vacancy and that it passed.  There are some triggers as to time before the next election that determine if it is an election or appointment, but we have already passed a statute in light of the amendment.  Sorry, I should have been more clear.
Oh right, for some reason I assumed you were responding to ilikeverin's post.
I'd be interested in seeing the statute.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Junkie on September 06, 2011, 08:34:11 PM

Senate Vacancy Bill
1) Should there be a vacancy for any federal Senate seat delegated to the Pacific Region, there shall be a special election held the following weekend during standard election hours. There must be a minimum of 72 hours to allow candidate declarations, and the election shall be moved back one week if necessary.
2) If there are less than six weeks of the term left at the time of vacancy, then the Governor shall appoint a replacement for the remainder of the term.

x bgwah


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: minionofmidas on September 08, 2011, 07:39:16 AM
I wrote the amendment, but bgwah proposed a change to it that I accepted as friendly.
But yes, it actually passed all regions unanimously.

Oh.  Hmm.  Well, we'll have to fix the defaultness in the Midwest.
Absolutely not.

I think we can do better than the Prime Verin appointing for vacancies!  What about a lottery, presided over by the Deputy Verin?  That would be more loony!
Oh. that's true. Or how about passing the office on alphabetically?


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on September 08, 2011, 07:41:58 AM
I wrote the amendment, but bgwah proposed a change to it that I accepted as friendly.
But yes, it actually passed all regions unanimously.

Oh.  Hmm.  Well, we'll have to fix the defaultness in the Midwest.
Absolutely not.

I think we can do better than the Prime Verin appointing for vacancies!  What about a lottery, presided over by the Deputy Verin?  That would be more loony!

I love this idea.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on September 08, 2011, 07:55:43 AM
I wrote the amendment, but bgwah proposed a change to it that I accepted as friendly.
But yes, it actually passed all regions unanimously.

Oh.  Hmm.  Well, we'll have to fix the defaultness in the Midwest.
Absolutely not.

I think we can do better than the Prime Verin appointing for vacancies!  What about a lottery, presided over by the Deputy Verin?  That would be more loony!

I love this idea.

In Midwest you better get used to loony thing.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on September 08, 2011, 05:39:16 PM
I wouldn't have the Midwest any other way, Kalwejt. :P


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on September 30, 2011, 02:47:52 PM
The "Another Simultaneous Elections Amendment" passed in all 5 regions.

IDS            8 Aye
Pacific        8 Aye
Mideast      13 Aye  1 Nay
Northeast   9 Aye    1 Nay   
Midwest     4 Aye    1 Nay



Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Napoleon on October 07, 2011, 02:33:06 PM
Northeast doesn't seem to like the Pro-Conscription amendment.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Cincinnatus on October 07, 2011, 02:36:19 PM
Northeast doesn't seem to like the Pro-Conscription amendment.

Freedom Region ;)


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Napoleon on October 07, 2011, 02:40:11 PM
Anyone else thinking the Senate is trying too hard to please everybody with these amendments and ends up pleasing very few?


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: ZuWo on October 07, 2011, 02:43:52 PM
Anyone else thinking the Senate is trying too hard to please everybody with these amendments and ends up pleasing very few?

Maybe. In a political simulation like Atlasia where no one feels the direct consequences of voting "aye" or "nay" on a certain issue, people may be more reluctant to accept compromises and rather vote "nay" if they aren't entirely pleased with a bill/amendment. Then again, if the Senate were to pass extremely ideological bills that wouldn't appeal to everyone either.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Napoleon on October 07, 2011, 02:48:38 PM
We should make our decisions as if we do see consequences. Isn't that the whole point of having a GM and such?


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Cincinnatus on October 07, 2011, 02:50:35 PM
We should make our decisions as if we do see consequences. Isn't that the whole point of having a GM and such?

We don't have one :(


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Napoleon on October 07, 2011, 02:52:07 PM
We should make our decisions as if we do see consequences. Isn't that the whole point of having a GM and such?

We don't have one :(

The position still exists.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: ZuWo on October 07, 2011, 02:52:56 PM
We should make our decisions as if we do see consequences. Isn't that the whole point of having a GM and such?

Yes, we should theoretically. But I don't know if everyone does it.

As for the GM position, I hope we will get someone who is as hard-working and creative as Marokai. Additionally, the Senate and the regional governments and Assemblies should probably refer more to what the GM writes in the future. But that's an entirely different story!


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on October 07, 2011, 03:27:52 PM
Anyone else thinking the Senate is trying too hard to please everybody with these amendments and ends up pleasing very few?
I don't know if they're trying to please everybody or just the maximum number of Senators.
Most of the time there's no attempt to get public opinion or input before an amendment is passed to the regions. 


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Junkie on October 07, 2011, 06:25:17 PM
Anyone else thinking the Senate is trying too hard to please everybody with these amendments and ends up pleasing very few?
I don't know if they're trying to please everybody or just the maximum number of Senators.
Most of the time there's no attempt to get public opinion or input before an amendment is passed to the regions. 

True, as that is how you get something passed.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Napoleon on October 07, 2011, 06:30:09 PM
Anyone else thinking the Senate is trying too hard to please everybody with these amendments and ends up pleasing very few?
I don't know if they're trying to please everybody or just the maximum number of Senators.
Most of the time there's no attempt to get public opinion or input before an amendment is passed to the regions. 

True, as that is how you get something passed.

No. The Senate shouldn't cater to the superminority of RPP Senators. This type of csompromise killed the regional Senate elections amendments and likely would kill this as well. I'm disappointed that my party could not stand up for decent policy this time. We really fukced up on this and I was the only Senator with the courage to say no thanks. The JCP Senators should have supported Jbrase's original text. That is 2/3 to pass the Senate and it probably would have passed the regions. This amendment is an embarrassment to public policy.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on October 07, 2011, 06:32:42 PM
Sometimes you compromise and sometimes you don't. This time it was just a horrendous and completely pointless one.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on October 07, 2011, 08:13:32 PM
     The Senate has always had funny ideas of what constituted a sane or passable amendment. Problem is there is no downside to basically ignoring the voters, so we will continue to get bizarre amendments with no support like this.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on October 09, 2011, 08:29:19 PM
current tally (Anti-Conscription Amendment)

vote ending Thursday
IDS           3 Aye  2 Nay
Northeast   1 Aye  8 Nay  2 abstain
Midwest               4 Nay

vote ending Saturday
Pacific      2 Aye  1 Nay

vote ending Sunday
Mideast    1 Aye   4 Nay



Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on October 09, 2011, 11:46:31 PM
LOL
and yet the Defence caucus voted against opposing this


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on October 10, 2011, 12:29:11 AM
LOL
and yet the Defence caucus voted against opposing this
I think you need to check with your caucus about whether that's really what they thought they were voting on.
but let's not get into that here.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on October 10, 2011, 12:32:00 AM
It's not mine, it's Dukes :P


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on October 10, 2011, 12:36:15 AM
I'm beginning to think, some of these amendments are so complicated, maybe we ought to allow people to change their votes for the duration, since people may find they misunderstood it when they first voted.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on October 10, 2011, 12:48:51 AM
The government should be required, by law, to carry out a PR campaign explaining what the hell people are voting on and why.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on October 25, 2011, 10:59:04 PM
Anti-Conscription Amendment
(fails in 3 of 5 regions; not adopted)

                  YEA      NAY      ABSTAIN
IDS               4          1
PACIFIC         4          3
NORTHEAST   1          8         2
MIDEAST       1          8*      
MIDWEST                  5

*unofficial count; ballot disputed. official count=7 nay votes.

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Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on November 10, 2011, 11:05:46 PM
Cabinet Flexibility Amendment
                AYE     NAY     Abstain
Mideast        5        8
Midwest       2        1
Pacific          4        2
Northeast    12       2
IDS              4        0

Total           27      13   

Map (by Regions)
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There was a lot of voting after the 7-day period in the Midwest (not counted here).
This was one of the closer amendment votes we've had recently, in terms of the votes needed in any region to have made it gone the other way. Unlike the case in most recent amendments, there were no abstaining votes in any region.



Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on November 11, 2011, 12:39:33 AM
I'm tempted to make the argument that my vote should've counted in the Midwest based on the argument Bacon King once used to justify why he couldn't be removed from office after the requisite period of inactivity and the arguments over "_ days" vs "_ hours" but this Amendment isn't worth it. :P


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on November 11, 2011, 01:00:26 PM
I'm tempted to make the argument that my vote should've counted in the Midwest based on the argument Bacon King once used to justify why he couldn't be removed from office after the requisite period of inactivity and the arguments over "_ days" vs "_ hours" but this Amendment isn't worth it. :P
The problem is, I don't think there is an official start or end to the day in Atlasia.



Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on December 13, 2011, 08:29:21 PM
The National Initiative Amendment passed in 4 regions with a very large national majority.  The measure failed in the Northeast with a tie in the vote, though there was a legal question raised about the validity of a vote that had been changed after a couple days.  The Northeast had twice as many Nay votes than all other regions combined.

                 Aye     Nay
Midwest       10(100%)      0
IDS               8 (100%)     0
Mideast        12 (92%)       1
Pacific            5 (71%)       2
Northwest      6 (50%)      6 (50%) 

TOTAL           41 (82%)     9 (18%)                   

Map (by Regions)
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Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on December 13, 2011, 08:43:19 PM
Ratification Regionalization Amendment

                             
polls closing Thursday:
Pacific        1  Aye     6 Nay
IDS            6 Aye      3 Nay
Midwest      4 Aye
polls closing Sunday:
Mideast       3 Aye     8 Nay 


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Frodo on December 15, 2011, 08:32:58 PM
Ratification Regionalization Amendment

                             
polls closing Thursday:
Pacific        1  Aye     6 Nay
IDS            6 Aye      3 Nay
Midwest      4 Aye
polls closing Sunday:
Mideast       3 Aye     8 Nay 


No figures from the Northeast? 


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: Yelnoc on December 15, 2011, 08:51:31 PM
Ratification Regionalization Amendment

                             
polls closing Thursday:
Pacific        1  Aye     6 Nay
IDS            6 Aye      3 Nay
Midwest      4 Aye
polls closing Sunday:
Mideast       3 Aye     8 Nay 


No figures from the Northeast? 
Looks to be 5 Ayes to 6 Nays, currently.


Title: Re: Amendment Tracker and Analysis Extravanganza
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on December 15, 2011, 10:57:27 PM
Ratification Regionalization Amendment

                             
polls closing Thursday:
Pacific        1  Aye     6 Nay
IDS            6 Aye      3 Nay
Midwest      4 Aye
polls closing Sunday:
Mideast       3 Aye     8 Nay 


No figures from the Northeast? 
The booth wasn't open yet when I made the post.