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Title: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: afleitch on July 07, 2011, 10:46:00 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/blog/2011/jul/07/news-of-the-world-phone-hacking-live-coverage

Last edition on Sunday.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Grumpier Than Uncle Joe on July 07, 2011, 10:48:51 AM
That's like the National Enquirer closing here, no?


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: afleitch on July 07, 2011, 10:51:04 AM
That's like the National Enquirer closing here, no?

Much, much bigger. The NOTW is 168 years old and is, despite it all, a 'proper' newspaper which poltiicians, celebrities and public figures will talk to.

However...I expect this is not great loss to News International. Sunday Sun anyone?


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 07, 2011, 10:51:41 AM
Not terribly surprising; to say that its brand had been irreparably tarnished would be a massive understatement. Hopefully a lot of people go to prison. The News of the Screws always did like harsh sentences, so hopefully quite a few of those get dealt out.

Anyway, 1843-2011. An important part of popular culture for almost all that period, but it won't be missed.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 07, 2011, 10:55:55 AM
Much, much bigger. The NOTW is 168 years old and is, despite it all, a 'proper' newspaper which poltiicians, celebrities and public figures will talk to.

Yeah. It once had the highest circulation figures in the world and still sold around two and a half million every week before recent events broke.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 07, 2011, 11:03:00 AM
What they've done is pretty disgusting, so that seems deserved (to say least).


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 07, 2011, 11:05:59 AM
Now onto the other NewsCorp papers, unworthy of being used as toilet paper.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 07, 2011, 11:13:05 AM
Also rather important: http://politicalscrapbook.net/2011/07/news-of-the-world-boycott-roundup-which-advertisers-are-out/

Seems that they were only left with four advertisers by the time the plug was pulled.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Јas on July 07, 2011, 11:39:34 AM
I liked the below snippet, as reported by The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/06/news-of-the-world-editor).

Quote from: The Guardian
Senior sources said they were examining whether former News of the World journalists may have kept money claimed on company expenses instead of passing it on to police officers in exchange for stories. Paying police officers is itself illegal.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Grumpier Than Uncle Joe on July 07, 2011, 11:49:38 AM
Also rather important: http://politicalscrapbook.net/2011/07/news-of-the-world-boycott-roundup-which-advertisers-are-out/

Seems that they were only left with four advertisers by the time the plug was pulled.

Right, giving Murdoch credit for doing the right thing is out of the question - it was all about money.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 07, 2011, 12:08:13 PM
Also rather important: http://politicalscrapbook.net/2011/07/news-of-the-world-boycott-roundup-which-advertisers-are-out/

Seems that they were only left with four advertisers by the time the plug was pulled.

Right, giving Murdoch credit for doing the right thing is out of the question - it was all about money.

Well, it's probable that the closure of the paper has more to do with the BSkyB deal and trying to save Brooks than the money from advertising.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 07, 2011, 12:10:07 PM

There's already a paper of that name in the North East. So it would have to be The Sun on Sunday or some vile pun on Sunday.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on July 07, 2011, 12:19:07 PM

There's already a paper of that name in the North East. So it would have to be The Sun on Sunday or some vile pun on Sunday.

The Sun's Day?


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 07, 2011, 12:42:47 PM
Hacks on the paper (and its sister) are less than pleased. Reports of a likely NUJ strike.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Iosif on July 07, 2011, 01:53:01 PM
Guess I'll have to get my Ashley Cole gay stories elsewhere.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: YL on July 07, 2011, 01:55:42 PM
The Guardian is reporting that Andy Coulson will be arrested tomorrow.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/blog/2011/jul/07/news-of-the-world-closes-live-coverage


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Barnes on July 07, 2011, 01:59:18 PM
Good riddance to that garbage.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: YL on July 07, 2011, 02:02:25 PM
Hacks on the paper (and its sister) are less than pleased. Reports of a likely NUJ strike.

Given that they seem to be being sacrificed when certain people higher up are being protected, I'm not surprised.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Iosif on July 07, 2011, 02:08:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtk3yLVUOKg&feature=player_embedded

This is brilliant.

Warning -a pair of bare breasts at the beginning.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: afleitch on July 07, 2011, 02:09:15 PM
Now onto the other NewsCorp papers, unworthy of being used as toilet paper.

On that note, I always enjoy reading the Guardians view on incidents like these as the Guardian Media Group are no saints...


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 07, 2011, 03:03:44 PM
Not just Coulson, but apparently a second (unnamed) former senior hack at the paper as well.

Related: Sun subs walked out for around half an hour in protest at the closure of the Screws.

Now onto the other NewsCorp papers, unworthy of being used as toilet paper.

On that note, I always enjoy reading the Guardians view on incidents like these as the Guardian Media Group are no saints...

Especially with regards to what could be euphemistically referred to as financial arrangements, yes. No clean hands in the newspaper industry, even if some are significantly dirtier than others.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 07, 2011, 04:49:59 PM
Things you don't want on your wikipedia page:

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He is due to be arrested tomorrow on the 8th of July 2011


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Silent Hunter on July 07, 2011, 06:19:25 PM
All I have to say is: good riddance.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 08, 2011, 05:34:37 AM
Coulson has been arrested.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: afleitch on July 08, 2011, 05:50:34 AM
Labour's response has been interestingly guarded. News International of course had Labour's ear until 2009. A 'holier than thou' response would be suicidal so Ed Milliband is wise to continue his tradition of saying very little ;)


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 08, 2011, 10:16:37 AM
Goodman has been arrested again, which is interesting. He works for the Daily Star now and their offices were raided.

Anyways, meeting between Brooks and the Screwed staff should be happening about now.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Phony Moderate on July 08, 2011, 10:20:45 AM
Mike Smithson thinks that Cameron's Premiership could soon meet the same fate.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 08, 2011, 10:29:16 AM
Via twitter:

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Rebekah Brooks says she is staying on because she is a conductor for it all

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Rebekah Brooks says the decision to close the NotW was taken because there was another two years plus ahead of trouble


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: afleitch on July 08, 2011, 11:35:03 AM
Mike Smithson thinks that Cameron's Premiership could soon meet the same fate.

Highly unlikely. Politicising the event is very dangerous affair. Remember, the hackings took place during the premierships of Blair and Brown who, despite the protestations of some in the media both sought and received News International's backing (and the backing of the NoTW itself) in three general elections.

There are lots of little things remember; the mysterious leaking of 'what's in Gordons budget' to the NoTW/Sun and Times almost every year, Murdoch visiting Brown in 2009 when the hacking allegations surfaced to 'stop' his MP's pressing the issue, Mandelsons 'hotline' to Brooks.

Even in February this year there was an orchestrated co-ordinated media narrative over 'middle income earners' by both Ed Balls and News International titles (with Balls giving interviews in both the Sun and the Times)

At the same time Milly Dowlers phone was being hacked, Labour apparachiks were scuttling back and forth from Wapping. So were the Tories of course. Such is politics. A bit of honesty and reflection over this wouldn't be unwelcome.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 08, 2011, 11:57:44 AM
The problem that Cameron has over this isn't the links to News International in general (playing - partisan - politics with those would be a good example of someone being shocked, shocked to find gambling going on in this establishment), but the specifics regarding Coulson. When it comes to News International (or the press generally) all politicians are compromised, but there's a fundamental difference between being compromised and hiring Coulson shortly after he'd resigned in the circumstances that he had.

What it is though - right now all it is - is a sideshow. Yes, it raises questions about Cameron's judgment, and because of that it weakens and damages him (although to an uncertain extent), but this scandal isn't really about him (unless things take a turn for the seriously surreal at some point). It is about the press in general and the Murdoch empire in particular, and also about police corruption. And so is actually far more important than if it were a normal 'political' scandal. After all, Prime Ministers come and go, but Murdoch is forever.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 08, 2011, 12:08:26 PM
Which is more useful? A chocolate kettle or the Press Complaints Commission.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 08, 2011, 12:15:53 PM
Neither Tony Blair nor Gordon Brown hired Andy Coulson as their top spin doctor...


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: afleitch on July 08, 2011, 12:23:45 PM
Neither Tony Blair nor Gordon Brown hired Andy Coulson as their top spin doctor...

Indeed, it was up to Ed Miliband to hire a News International man for his ;)


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on July 08, 2011, 12:24:44 PM
Which is more useful? A chocolate kettle or the Press Complaints Commission.

Milk chocolate or dark chocolate?


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: minionofmidas on July 08, 2011, 12:30:56 PM
Also rather important: http://politicalscrapbook.net/2011/07/news-of-the-world-boycott-roundup-which-advertisers-are-out/

Seems that they were only left with four advertisers by the time the plug was pulled.
That would serve to make the decision far easier for Murdoch, yeah.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 08, 2011, 06:46:39 PM
I do hope that the hack on Newsnight that Steve Coogan tore to shreds was an actor.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 09, 2011, 11:23:32 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/RupertMurdochPR


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 09, 2011, 11:32:41 AM
Also: http://www.youtube.com/user/NOTWPhoneHacking#p/u


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 09, 2011, 12:07:00 PM
Not to forget b3ta:

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Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 10, 2011, 02:51:11 PM
I do hope that the hack on Newsnight that Steve Coogan tore to shreds was an actor.

McMullan was worse here. Perfectly made a show of by John Prescott.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/10-oclock-live/video/series-1/episode-12/phone-hacking


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Јas on July 11, 2011, 11:33:18 AM
News International papers targeted Gordon Brown (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/11/phone-hacking-news-international-gordon-brown) - The Guardian

Quote from: The Guardian
An investigation by the Guardian has found that:

• Scotland Yard has discovered references to both Brown and his wife, Sarah, in paperwork seized from Glenn Mulcaire, the private investigator who specialised in phone hacking for the News of the World;

• Abbey National bank found evidence suggesting that a "blagger" acting for the Sunday Times on six occasions posed as Brown and gained details from his account;

• Brown's London lawyers, Allen & Overy, were tricked into handing over details from his file by a conman working for the Sunday Times;

• Details from his infant son's medical records were obtained by the Sun, who published a story about the child's serious illness.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 11, 2011, 01:21:56 PM
Prince Charles and Camilla targeted too apparently.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: afleitch on July 11, 2011, 02:01:22 PM
News International papers targeted Gordon Brown (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/11/phone-hacking-news-international-gordon-brown) - The Guardian

Quote from: The Guardian
An investigation by the Guardian has found that:

• Scotland Yard has discovered references to both Brown and his wife, Sarah, in paperwork seized from Glenn Mulcaire, the private investigator who specialised in phone hacking for the News of the World;

• Abbey National bank found evidence suggesting that a "blagger" acting for the Sunday Times on six occasions posed as Brown and gained details from his account;

• Brown's London lawyers, Allen & Overy, were tricked into handing over details from his file by a conman working for the Sunday Times;

• Details from his infant son's medical records were obtained by the Sun, who published a story about the child's serious illness.

While truly, genuinely awful it doesn't seem to have affected their relationship with Rebekah Brooks too much as despite saying to the Browns 'we did this and we're printing it', Sarah Brown still organised a 40th birthday party for her, stayed in their circle of friends and was invited to a No. 10 'slumber party.' They also attended her wedding.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 11, 2011, 03:34:16 PM
http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2011/07/11/could-the-murdoch-press-be-no-more/

I'd rather him stay with the papers if that means he can't have Sky. A Fox News UK would do 10x more damage than any front page slash on The Sun ever could..


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: afleitch on July 11, 2011, 04:09:44 PM
http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2011/07/11/could-the-murdoch-press-be-no-more/

I'd rather him stay with the papers if that means he can't have Sky. A Fox News UK would do 10x more damage than any front page slash on The Sun ever could..

If he ran Sky News with the same editorial stance as Fox News it would fail. Besides Murdoch tailors his media to it's market.

Also be careful what you wish for; the Mail on Sunday (editorially and politically a far worse paper than the NoTW) will probably fill the gap come Sunday (one glance at it's online content should be a big hint)


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: afleitch on July 11, 2011, 04:31:44 PM
Something very interesting from Ed Milliband today

“Let me ask the Culture Secretary a series of questions. First, on the subject the judge-led inquiry, as soon as an inquiry is established, tampering with or the destruction of any documents becomes a criminal offence. We already know that is relevant to the offices of the News of the World. It may also be relevant to any documents in No. 10 Downing street and Conservative headquarters.”

If he is accusing No. 10 of destroying documents then that is a very serious accusation. If he cannot substantiate it then he should withdraw it immediately.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 11, 2011, 06:12:21 PM
I don't completely get why Cameron's running away from this whole thing. Refusing to ask Brooks to go, refusing to debate today. Has he got something to hide? Even Clegg's climbed out from under his rock (hadn't heard much about him for about a month and a half) to say a few words about it.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: afleitch on July 11, 2011, 06:24:42 PM
I don't completely get why Cameron's running away from this whole thing. Refusing to ask Brooks to go, refusing to debate today. Has he got something to hide? Even Clegg's climbed out from under his rock (hadn't heard much about him for about a month and a half) to say a few words about it.

It would be improper for the Prime Minister to tell an independent press who they should hire and fire for short term political gain, something Ed appears to have forgotten.

As for 'running away' Cameron gave his second press conference on the matter yesterday afternoon.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Silent Hunter on July 12, 2011, 11:04:40 AM
Government to back motion for Murdoch to withdraw bid for BSkyB (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14127282)


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: afleitch on July 12, 2011, 01:42:49 PM
Government to back motion for Murdoch to withdraw bid for BSkyB (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14127282)

Best way to deal with a politicised motion IMO. Takes the wind out of the sails.

Speaking of which Brown's story is starting to spring leaks...


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Silent Hunter on July 13, 2011, 04:45:33 AM
I don't completely get why Cameron's running away from this whole thing. Refusing to ask Brooks to go, refusing to debate today. Has he got something to hide? Even Clegg's climbed out from under his rock (hadn't heard much about him for about a month and a half) to say a few words about it.

It would be improper for the Prime Minister to tell an independent press who they should hire and fire for short term political gain, something Ed appears to have forgotten.

Ed Miliband is entitled to express his opinion, is he not?


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Silent Hunter on July 13, 2011, 10:50:44 AM
News Corp has withdrawn its bid for full control of BSkyB.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 13, 2011, 11:40:02 AM
Watching Gordon Brown in the Commons now. He's brilliant.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Foucaulf on July 13, 2011, 04:20:09 PM
News Corp has withdrawn its bid for full control of BSkyB.

Congratulations.

It also seems that an investigation in the United States is gaining steam. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/phone-hacking/8636257/Phone-hacking-Rupert-Murdoch-faces-inquiry-into-US-companies.html) Surely American senators want Murdoch out as much as British politicians do, and this is going to be a simmering issue for quite some time.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: afleitch on July 14, 2011, 07:19:23 AM
Watching Gordon Brown in the Commons now. He's brilliant.

I felt quite sorry for him. It was essentially a rant (which breached civil service protocal) from a man who finally turned up to the Commons and shattered what had until then been a bi-partisan atmosphere. He never stood up to News International; he fawned over them and screeching about it in the Commons won't change that fact.

Nick Clegg revealed that when Andy Coulson resigned from the NoTW, Brown was the first on the phone to offer commiserations and the relationship was cosy until the Sun stopped backing Labour. BBC's Andrew Neil has also said that Brown had sworn revenge against Murdoch for abandoning Labour telling him 'I will destroy you.' Indeed thanks to Browns intervention starting with the fudged story about his families records and continuing with his Common's rant has been successful in turning attention towards Labour. The expressions on Labour's backbenchers said it all...


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Silent Hunter on July 14, 2011, 03:40:31 PM
Watching Gordon Brown in the Commons now. He's brilliant.

I felt quite sorry for him. It was essentially a rant (which breached civil service protocal) from a man who finally turned up to the Commons and shattered what had until then been a bi-partisan atmosphere. He never stood up to News International; he fawned over them and screeching about it in the Commons won't change that fact.

He never had a choice; the support of this media mogul was vital to Labour getting back in 1997 and staying there for three terms. It shaped public opinion as much as followed it.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 14, 2011, 04:39:18 PM
Watching Gordon Brown in the Commons now. He's brilliant.

I felt quite sorry for him. It was essentially a rant (which breached civil service protocal) from a man who finally turned up to the Commons and shattered what had until then been a bi-partisan atmosphere. He never stood up to News International; he fawned over them and screeching about it in the Commons won't change that fact.

He never had a choice; the support of this media mogul was vital to Labour getting back in 1997 and staying there for three terms. It shaped public opinion as much as followed it.

Exactly. And he even if he did call Coulson upon his resignation, only one PM hired him again.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 15, 2011, 03:23:41 AM
I don't really know what's happening there (Italian news barely talk about this affair), but if this could help us finally getting rid of Murdoch, it's all very good.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Јas on July 15, 2011, 04:05:32 AM
Brooks resigned.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Silent Hunter on July 15, 2011, 04:48:29 AM

Yes! Finally!


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: afleitch on July 15, 2011, 05:11:37 AM

Technically she offered her resignation last week. Now it has been accepted :)


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 15, 2011, 12:38:19 PM
I think it was more the case that she 'offered' her 'resignation' back then; ah, but you can't kill a landslide.

Obviously good news that she's finally gone, though. Hopefully prison awaits.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 15, 2011, 12:44:31 PM
Thoughts on the committee hearing?

I don't completely get why Cameron's running away from this whole thing. Refusing to ask Brooks to go, refusing to debate today. Has he got something to hide? Even Clegg's climbed out from under his rock (hadn't heard much about him for about a month and a half) to say a few words about it.

In fairness to Cameron he only ran away once or twice, which isn't that much considering the level of embarrassment wrt Coulson and Chipping Norton (that is, extreme). It just looked terrible because of the speed at which this story has moved.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 15, 2011, 05:16:03 PM
Actually doing a tour of parliament on the day of the hearings. Interesting.

Oh, and:
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You know you're up a certain creek when people think Clegg's doing something better than you are.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 15, 2011, 05:39:37 PM
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Les Hinton is gone as well.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 16, 2011, 02:59:10 AM
If only the last domino could be Murdoch himself...


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 16, 2011, 12:42:29 PM
Worth a read, I suppose: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/wintour-and-watt/2011/jul/15/john-yates-watergate

Oh yes. Something else.

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Anyone else think it looks like a newspaper advert from the 80s?


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: minionofmidas on July 16, 2011, 12:45:17 PM
I find it vaguely fitting that Leo Kirch chose this week to die.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 17, 2011, 07:46:32 AM
Brooks has been arrested.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: minionofmidas on July 17, 2011, 07:56:26 AM
It appears that the Guardian coverage  has substantially and likely deliberately misled not just the British public, but the police as well.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Silent Hunter on July 17, 2011, 08:17:32 AM

Didn't expect that one at all...


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 17, 2011, 01:58:47 PM
Sir Paul Stephenson has become the latest head of the Met to resign as a result of scandal.

Maybe we need a change of thread title?

Or just a new thread?


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Silent Hunter on July 17, 2011, 02:38:05 PM
Sir Paul Stephenson has become the latest head of the Met to resign as a result of scandal.

Maybe we need a change of thread title?

Or just a new thread?

I'd personally go for new thread title.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Iosif on July 17, 2011, 02:48:38 PM
She spells her name Rebekah - that alone should be grounds for arrest.

How vulgar and common. Very American.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on July 17, 2011, 04:09:20 PM
She spells her name Rebekah - that alone should be grounds for arrest.

How vulgar and common. Very American.

Yeah, it's half-assed. Either go all the way back to the start and use Rivqa/Rivka or just accept that Rebecca is the English spelling and has been for centuries. This is almost as bad as naming a child KheightLynne or something instead of Caitlin.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on July 17, 2011, 04:37:43 PM
She spells her name Rebekah - that alone should be grounds for arrest.

How vulgar and common. Very American.

Yeah, it's half-assed. Either go all the way back to the start and use Rivqa/Rivka or just accept that Rebecca is the English spelling and has been for centuries. This is almost as bad as naming a child KheightLynne or something instead of Caitlin.

Nowhere near as bad as a name that has been in the local news recently, Charlestoneus Rodriquez Jones.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on July 17, 2011, 05:00:13 PM
She spells her name Rebekah - that alone should be grounds for arrest.

How vulgar and common. Very American.

Yeah, it's half-assed. Either go all the way back to the start and use Rivqa/Rivka or just accept that Rebecca is the English spelling and has been for centuries. This is almost as bad as naming a child KheightLynne or something instead of Caitlin.

Nowhere near as bad as a name that has been in the local news recently, Charlestoneus Rodriquez Jones.

Oh...oh God. You're right. That is truly, truly awful.

But I still agree that the 'Rebekah' spelling is the sort of thing that (usually) non-Jewish upper-middle-class families just love to do to make their children seem unique.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 17, 2011, 05:36:36 PM
Is the affair about to turn towards Dave again? Or is Mike Smithson over-egging it again? (http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2011/07/17/could-my-150-1-cameron-bet-end-up-being-a-winner/)


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: Verily on July 17, 2011, 06:05:04 PM
She spells her name Rebekah - that alone should be grounds for arrest.

How vulgar and common. Very American.

Yeah, it's half-assed. Either go all the way back to the start and use Rivqa/Rivka or just accept that Rebecca is the English spelling and has been for centuries. This is almost as bad as naming a child KheightLynne or something instead of Caitlin.

Nowhere near as bad as a name that has been in the local news recently, Charlestoneus Rodriquez Jones.

Oh...oh God. You're right. That is truly, truly awful.

But I still agree that the 'Rebekah' spelling is the sort of thing that (usually) non-Jewish upper-middle-class families just love to do to make their children seem unique.

All of the Rebekahs I've ever known have been Jewish. And I don't think I've ever met a Jewish Rebecca. I think "Rebekah" is the more accepted spelling among Jews.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 17, 2011, 06:51:44 PM
Is the affair about to turn towards Dave again? Or is Mike Smithson over-egging it again? (http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2011/07/17/could-my-150-1-cameron-bet-end-up-being-a-winner/)

I've not read that site in years, but Smithson always over-eggs things. That way you look like a genius two times a day.

I mean, it's very unlikely. But if it does happen and you openly speculated about the possibility; ah - how insightful you look.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 17, 2011, 07:10:41 PM
Brooks is from Cheshire, you know. Explains a lot.


Title: Re: News of The World to close.
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on July 18, 2011, 12:27:27 AM
She spells her name Rebekah - that alone should be grounds for arrest.

How vulgar and common. Very American.

Yeah, it's half-assed. Either go all the way back to the start and use Rivqa/Rivka or just accept that Rebecca is the English spelling and has been for centuries. This is almost as bad as naming a child KheightLynne or something instead of Caitlin.

Nowhere near as bad as a name that has been in the local news recently, Charlestoneus Rodriquez Jones.

Oh...oh God. You're right. That is truly, truly awful.

But I still agree that the 'Rebekah' spelling is the sort of thing that (usually) non-Jewish upper-middle-class families just love to do to make their children seem unique.

All of the Rebekahs I've ever known have been Jewish. And I don't think I've ever met a Jewish Rebecca. I think "Rebekah" is the more accepted spelling among Jews.

Really? Huh. I know exactly one Rebekah, who fits into that demographic I just described (as does Brooks from what I know of her). I know both Jewish and Gentile Rebeccas, and some Riv[q/k]as, who are all Jewish. Anyway, I guess I stand corrected.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 18, 2011, 08:16:12 AM
Reports are circulating that John Yates has resigned. Excellent news if true.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 18, 2011, 11:19:06 AM
Yeah, he's gone.

Anyway, and moving back a tad, I do hope that everyone has seen this wonderful video of wonder. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfI40CF9_yw)


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: afleitch on July 18, 2011, 01:10:01 PM
Meanwhile back on Planet Earth

ICM

CON 37 (-)
LAB 36 (-3)
LIB 16 (+4)

Which is pretty good news. YouGov at the end of last week saw things remain steady. The crisis, while genuine and certainly talked about seems still to be media confined. Ed's ratings have went up, mostly due to Labour supporters being more enthused. Nick Clegg too seems to be doing rather well and getting some benefit from being the Coalitions mouthpiece for once.

Always look outside the Westminster Bubble; inflation and petrol prices will move public opinion more than the hacking scandal.

However, this is now becoming a police[i/] crisis. If Cameron is seen as unable to deal with the police he will take a hit. If he comes across exceptionally well (and Clegg and May have been leading on this) he may take a boost meaning that Ed's grandstanding will, in the short term have been for very little.



Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 18, 2011, 03:34:22 PM
And Populus comes out with:
LAB 39 (-1)
CON 34 (-5)
LD 11 (+2)

Ed Miliband's popularity is up in ICM (from -21, to -16), while Cameron is static at -5. Nick Clegg has gone from -20 to -21.

The scandal does go beyond the Westminster bubble, people wouldn't be resigning and papers wouldn't be closing if it was so media confined. Cameron is going through this scandal looking horrific to the public. Ed Miliband hasn't become a national hero, he just looks less crap and a bit more electable than he did two weeks ago.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 18, 2011, 05:34:23 PM
In other news, it's the big Committee Day to-morrow. I shall watch it, though I expect it to be a bit of a damp squib; the Brothers Maxwell all over again.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Foucaulf on July 18, 2011, 06:01:42 PM
Between now and the hearings, some intermission entertainment:

Lulzsec hacks the Sun's frontpage, redirecting traffic to fake article. (http://i.imgur.com/PAcQn.jpg)

News Corporation's US listing drops 4 percent today, 17.4 percent from its high on July 5. (http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:NWSA)


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: minionofmidas on July 19, 2011, 09:00:29 AM
RIP Sean Hoare.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Silent Hunter on July 19, 2011, 09:59:34 AM
Rupert Murdoch has just said that Brooks and Hinton were asked to leave NI.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Silent Hunter on July 19, 2011, 10:57:11 AM
A man just tried to attack Murdoch: sitting's been suspended and he's in cuffs.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Iosif on July 19, 2011, 10:57:44 AM
Someone's tried to kill Rupert.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Silent Hunter on July 19, 2011, 11:03:21 AM

Not exactly - more like pie him with shaving foam. Murdoch's missus was not happy.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Iosif on July 19, 2011, 11:11:08 AM
His wife rushing in for a smack was great.

I love Rupert Murdoch. He makes such a great villain.

What a man.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Foucaulf on July 19, 2011, 11:37:09 AM
His wife rushing in for a smack was great.

I love Rupert Murdoch. He makes such a great villain.

What a man.

And this is why the committee failed. The questioning ran out of steam very quickly, and after Watson's questioning I'm sure many people dropped out. Everyone will be focusing on the pieing while Rebecca Brooks take the stands.

Such theatre!


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Phony Moderate on July 19, 2011, 12:38:28 PM
Rumour has it that Cameron has been summoned to appear before the 1922 Committee tomorrow.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: minionofmidas on July 19, 2011, 12:53:05 PM
Speaking of the 1922 Committee,

Chairmen

    * Sir Gervais Rentoul KC (1923 – 1932)
    * William Shepherd Morrison, 1st Viscount Dunrossil GCMG MC KStJ PC QC (1932 – 1935)
    * Hugh O'Neill, 1st Baron Rathcavan PC (1935 – 1939)
    * Patrick Spens, 1st Baron Spens KBE, PC, KC (1939 – 1940)
    * Sir Alexander Galloway Erskine-Hill, 1st Baronet (1940 – 1944)
    * Sir John McEwen, 1st Baronet (1944 – 1945)
    * Arnold Gridley, 1st Baron Gridley KBE (1946 – 1951)
    * Derek Colclough Walker-Smith, Baron Broxbourne PC, TD, QC, Bt. (1951 – 1955)
    * John Morrison, 1st Baron Margadale TD, DL (1955 – 1964)
    * William Anstruther-Gray, Baron Kilmany Bt MC PC (1964 – 1966)
    * Arthur Vere Harvey, Baron Harvey of Prestbury CBE (1966 – 1970)
    * Sir Harry Legge-Bourke KBE (1970 – 1972)
    * Sir Edward du Cann (1972 – 1984)
    * Cranley Onslow, Baron Onslow of Woking KCMG PC (1984 – 1992)
    * Sir Marcus Fox MBE (1992 – 1997)
    * Archie Hamilton, Baron Hamilton of Epsom PC (1997 – 2001)
    * Michael Spicer, Baron Spicer PC Kt (2001 – 2010)

Wot?


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 19, 2011, 01:59:33 PM
Both Murdoch's really struggled in front of the committee, though in different ways. Anyway, they were more co-operative than had seemed likely, but still tried very hard to be evasive. Watson was very effective against the father, but Farrelly made the son quite uncomfortable later on.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 19, 2011, 02:03:17 PM
And this is why the committee failed. The questioning ran out of steam very quickly, and after Watson's questioning I'm sure many people dropped out

The committee didn't fail at all; merely getting them to appear and making them obviously uncomfortable on more than one occasion is quite a little triumph for democracy. They were never going to get them to incriminate themselves and that wasn't the point. If it seemed to peter out at points, then that's mostly because of the way that these committees have to operate (everyone asks their questions in turn so any feeling of pressure will depend on the order the MPs are called on) and a less than effective chairman (effective being defined as 'Keith Vaz'). Some important stuff came tumbling out towards the end, wrt the paying of legal costs to Mulcaire and so on.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: afleitch on July 20, 2011, 09:54:19 AM
Cameron holding his own today and Miliband continuing to overplay his hand.

I wonder if Labour will now reveal the full details of their extensive relationship with Murdoch when they were in power during (sigh) 'Hackgate'

Ultimately, David Cameron has taken responsibility. From Labour; nothing. Some Labour MP's have tried to say that they were too 'scared' or 'intimidated' by News International to do anything about the allegations (or to stop being their friends...) which comes across as not only blatantly false, but if it has a mere smidgeon of truth to it then it confirms a weakness at the heart of the Labour project. David Cameron hired Coulson, but Coulson is no longer employed by Number 10. whilst Miliband still employs two ex-News International journalists in an advisory capacity.

There is no genuine and legitimate concern from Labour on this matter. Cameron has calmly responded to, at times quite pointless questioning demonstrating that Labour's only interest in phone hacking was for political gain.

This leaves Labour exposed. Cameron may be accused of not answering 'everything.' But Labour have answered nothing. The enquiries will not leave the period from 1997-2010 untouched. They had better be ready.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 20, 2011, 10:36:10 AM
I don't know much about this affair, but I feel people who are trying to make this a Labour vs Torie issue are missing the main point : ie the considerable influence a corporation (and thus, a man) can develop over one country's politics, to the points that every politician needs to make a "friend" of it (him) if he wants to have a political future. The parties aren't really the responsibles, in some way they're maybe the victims.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: minionofmidas on July 20, 2011, 12:09:23 PM
Labour certainly view themselves as such, and with reason.

Whether Tony Blair and Gordon Brown have as much reason to view themselves so (as Brown no doubt does) is a different matter.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 20, 2011, 12:29:45 PM
Oh please. The only reason for anyone in Labour to pursue this issue at all is for partisan gain? You know that's not true; the small group of mostly Labour figures who (along with a couple of Grauniad hacks) had been going on about this for ages were not acting on orders from anyone higher up and had their own (personal for the most part) reasons for kicking up a fuss. It's a particularly unfortunate slur as its the one most often used by establishment-cynics to dismiss the story over the past couple of years.

Now, is the possibility of partisan gain a factor in the strident tone taken by the leadership since things blew up a few weeks ago? Sure; always is (and is never any different for other parties). The only factor? Almost certainly not. Is the possibility of partisan gain one reason why some Labour MPs/members/supporters/etc are enjoying this so much? Absolutely. Is it the only reason why any care? Absolutely not. You underestimate quite how much the Labour rank and file absolutely loathe Murdoch; the fact that a couple of Labour leaders in the recent past had a rather better relationship is irrelevant (this feeling is especially strong here; what was done to Kinnock has not been forgotten or forgiven) and may actually have strengthened the sentiment over time.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: minionofmidas on July 20, 2011, 12:34:28 PM
The fact that a couple of Labour leaders in the recent past had a rather better relationship is irrelevant and may actually have strengthened the sentiment over time.
'specially as that relationship (perhaps, arguably, whatever) led to Murdoch influencing Labour policy ... in the sense of, preventing a Labour government from following Labour policies. And if Tony Blair outlasted his welcome as leader of the Labour Party partly thanks to the relationship with Murdoch...


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 20, 2011, 12:37:13 PM
I don't know much about this affair, but I feel people who are trying to make this a Labour vs Torie issue are missing the main point : ie the considerable influence a corporation (and thus, a man) can develop over one country's politics, to the points that every politician needs to make a "friend" of it (him) if he wants to have a political future. The parties aren't really the responsibles, in some way they're maybe the victims.

That's one of the biggest issues regarding Murdoch in general (and has been since the 1980s), though for now the main things wrt this scandal concern the relationship between the Police (specifically the Met) and the Murdoch Empire and on the way in which said Evil Empire has gone about getting stories for its papers. Absolutely political (because its about power and anything concerning power is political), but not so much in terms of Westminster. As far as that goes, mostly it's a series of sideshows; even the Coulson business is more a question of judgment on behalf of the PM than any question of the people in government being involved in the core of the scandal. Of course other things may yet come out, but we can only comment on what there's reason to suspect.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Foucaulf on July 20, 2011, 03:29:41 PM
In the Grauniad, a Brit resigns himself to American coverage and complains about it. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/blog/2011/jul/20/phone-hacking-scandal-us-media)

Quote
On CNN, Vanity Fair writer – an obliging Brit – Vicky Ward kept saying James did well and that Rupert's goal in Britain since the 60s has been to make the establishment much more accountable and transparent in the name of democracy.

Well, if you say so, Vicky. She also seemed to suggest that British voters had been happy to accept that the Daily Telegraph had paid for the stolen CD on MPs expenses in 2009 – so why the fuss now, though she conceded that bribing police officers in "very, very bad".

That article is basic, but the part about the Chinese media's reactions interested me. A quick search yields this article aggregating some Chinese views: (http://news.sohu.com/20110719/n313906324.shtml)

Quote
Experts in Shanghai and Beijing believe this event exposes the western media's profiteering nature, and consequently the superficiality of its rhetoric on "freedom", "fairness" and "human rights".
[...]
Professor Wang Junchao of Tsinghua University's School of Journalism states that the West frequently uses "press freedom" as a defence while abusing the rights of others in order to manufacture its own conception of "freedom". The consequence is obviously the misuse of press freedoms. "Freedom of the press should not deflect intrusion to one's right to privacy by the media."


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 20, 2011, 03:32:16 PM
The day I go to parliament and Murdoch gets a pie to the face. Result!


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Silent Hunter on July 20, 2011, 03:38:59 PM
This leaves Labour exposed. Cameron may be accused of not answering 'everything.' But Labour have answered nothing. The enquiries will not leave the period from 1997-2010 untouched. They had better be ready.

Perhaps. However, Tony Blair is no longer an MP and Gordon Brown is a backbencher. David Cameron hired Coulson after the scandal began - and he's still in office.

As for Miliband's two journalists; there are plenty of ex-News International journalists out there (Nick Ferrari for example) and the vast majority of them weren't involved in "phone hacking" - that sounds like an attempt at guilt by association. Of course, it probably isn't - I know you're better than that.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: afleitch on July 20, 2011, 07:49:32 PM
that sounds like an attempt at guilt by association. Of course, it probably isn't - I know you're better than that.

Actually, the very opposite concerns me. I don't believe in guilt by association...but Baldwin has been accused and was reported to the police over 'blagging'. That is the concern.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Silent Hunter on July 21, 2011, 04:59:48 AM
that sounds like an attempt at guilt by association. Of course, it probably isn't - I know you're better than that.

Actually, the very opposite concerns me. I don't believe in guilt by association...but Baldwin has been accused and was reported to the police over 'blagging'. That is the concern.

Thanks for the clarification.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 21, 2011, 11:14:27 AM
Report on changes to newspaper sales (and future plans of NotW readers) here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/21/times-sales-phone-hacking-scandal


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Lief 🗽 on July 21, 2011, 01:40:17 PM
oh my god

This cartoon ran in the Newscorp-owned Times of London

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speechless.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 21, 2011, 01:44:14 PM
Disgusting but entirely typical.

---

Anyway, James Murdoch may be in a little bit of trouble. You aren't supposed to get caught lying before Commons committees.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Serenity Now on July 23, 2011, 05:18:01 AM
Lol... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5z4CJRFBKY


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Silent Hunter on July 23, 2011, 11:15:58 AM
Got a much nicer cartoon.

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Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: patrick1 on July 24, 2011, 11:51:09 AM
It is typical of the US media that there are basically more stories about Rupert's feisty wife and her slap than the story.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Grumpier Than Uncle Joe on July 26, 2011, 11:49:19 AM
It is typical of the US media that there are basically more stories about Rupert's feisty wife and her slap than the story.

Hot, angry women stories sell, patrick.  ;)


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 04, 2011, 03:41:31 PM
Bumping, just to note that matters have spread a little, though nothing seems to be as significant as what's already happened. Namely, fingers have been pointed at some ex-Mirror hacks (including Piers Moron himself) and we get to add Salmond to the list of party leaders who are perhaps a little too close to News International. As both of those things were kind of obvious anyway, I'm not sure why I'm bothering to post this.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Grumpier Than Uncle Joe on August 05, 2011, 08:31:33 AM
Why is CNN standing behind Piers again?  Are his ratings that good?


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Rollback on August 05, 2011, 09:07:48 AM
Why is CNN standing behind Piers again?  Are his ratings that good?

His ratings have pretty much been mediocre. He isn't doing much better, if any better, than Larry King, certainly not beating Maddow or Hannity.

The Warlock did give him a period of saving grace for a little bit though during his interview.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 06, 2011, 12:56:48 PM
Weird little twist: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14431473


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 12, 2011, 10:33:01 AM
urgh

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14509375


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 16, 2011, 08:05:25 AM
Boom: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/aug/16/phone-hacking-now-reporter-letter


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Grumpier Than Uncle Joe on August 16, 2011, 09:57:38 AM
Boom: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/aug/16/phone-hacking-now-reporter-letter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtndOhSMpHs


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 04, 2011, 05:34:40 PM
Murdoch's wife's said that Tony Blair's the Godfather of their daughter...


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on September 06, 2011, 07:30:53 AM
Via la beeb...

Quote
Former News of the World legal manager Tom Crone has told MPs he was "certain" he told James Murdoch about an email which indicated phone hacking at the paper went beyond one rogue reporter

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14797365


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on November 07, 2011, 06:54:16 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15627609

...

...

...

I mean...

...

Just...

...are there even words? Any day now someone's going to discover a detachable twirly 'tache of evil in the old Screws offices.

Or, more likely, an email indicating that such an item has been bought.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on November 07, 2011, 07:45:06 PM
"Inappropriate" seems like a bit of an understatement.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Leftbehind on November 08, 2011, 01:08:50 AM
^Steady on there.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on November 08, 2011, 12:49:41 PM
Wait! There's more! Including... oh... oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/15644038


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 11, 2012, 08:17:03 AM
And now tis the turn of the Scum. Five of the paper's most senior hacks have just been arrested for bribing coppers.

The role of honour bist: Geoff Webster (Deputy Editor), John Edwards (Picture Editor), John Kay (Chief Reporter), Nick Parker (Chief Foreign Correspondent) and John Sturgis (a reporter).


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: minionofmidas on February 11, 2012, 08:27:59 AM
I always knew he was a sleazebag.

Oh wait. Different John Edwards.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on February 11, 2012, 11:35:46 AM
And now tis the turn of the Scum. Five of the paper's most senior hacks have just been arrested for bribing coppers.

The role of honour bist: Geoff Webster (Deputy Editor), John Edwards (Picture Editor), John Kay (Chief Reporter), Nick Parker (Chief Foreign Correspondent) and John Sturgis (a reporter).

Awesome. Let's hope they'll have to close too. :)


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Leftbehind on February 12, 2012, 04:42:13 PM
If only.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: freefair on February 12, 2012, 05:24:04 PM
OK, lets make sure that an unbiased, transparent investigation takes place, holds people to account, and delivers fair justice to the letter of the law.
Lets hope the result is not yet more laws restricting press freedom, regulations and state censorship of freedom of expression that we all have a right to. The Idea of the  state not being seperate from the press is inherently totalitarian. We already have enough laws to cover what has happened, everything is already illegal,  we do not ones specifically targeting journos. If government regulation goes ahead, the next cabinet minister to put their hand in the till or something else inside someone else will try to stop the story, you mark my words.  The right to privacy is precious but not infinite
Lets hope the result of this is a better News International, not NO news international.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: freefair on February 12, 2012, 05:33:46 PM
And if the Sun has to close the Daily Mirror (who also hacked phones and promoted prejudiced attitudes to other sections of society) deserves to go down with it, in order to restore political balance to the red-top market...
It all rests on Heather Mills and Piers Morgan. One of them must be lying, and even more amazingly, one must be telling the Truth.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: minionofmidas on February 13, 2012, 06:30:04 AM
OK, lets make sure that an unbiased, transparent investigation takes place, holds people to account, and delivers fair justice to the letter of the law.
No. I'm against that. I don't want anybody who ever worked for Murdoch in any capacity disintegrated.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 29, 2012, 03:15:45 PM
Gus Hedges James Murdoch has resigned as head goon at News International. He remains in powerful positions in several of his daddy's other companies.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on March 13, 2012, 02:32:13 PM
'ello, 'ello (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/mar/13/rebekah-brooks-arrested-phone-hacking-investigation)


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 29, 2012, 09:26:05 AM
What is he up to?
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/03/29/rupert-murdoch-twitter-old-toffs-hacking-allegations_n_1387169.html?ref=uk&ref=uk


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on April 24, 2012, 04:03:52 PM
And another huge bomb went off today. The man at the centre of the blast was the Hulture Secretary. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17829360) But he wasn't the only one. This, you see, looks rather bad:

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Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 24, 2012, 05:53:49 PM
I'm loving how the government can't seem to catch a break.


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Phony Moderate on April 25, 2012, 05:13:25 PM
Hmmmm....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/leveson-inquiry/9227491/David-Camerons-five-secret-meetings-with-Rupert-Murdoch.html


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on May 01, 2012, 06:26:29 AM
Murdoch 'not fit to run major firm' - MPs  (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/may/01/rupert-murdoch-not-fit-select-committee)


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: You kip if you want to... on May 01, 2012, 06:46:15 PM
Mensch standing strongly by Murdoch. Who owns the company which publishes her sister, a fellow author.

Aha.



Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: You kip if you want to... on May 08, 2012, 04:56:02 PM
The Times is reporting that David Cameron text Rebekah Brookes telling her to "Keep her head up!" after she resigned.

He also told her that "Ed Miliband's got me on the run."
http://liberalconspiracy.org/2012/05/09/cameron-to-rebekah-brooks-ed-miliband-had-me-on-the-run/

LOL


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Silent Hunter on May 15, 2012, 04:26:26 PM
Rebekah Brooks charged (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18075775)


Title: Re: News International. The Saga Continues...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 24, 2012, 06:00:57 AM
Eight face phone-hacking charges (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18961228)

Including Brooks and Coulson.