Talk Elections

Election Archive => 2012 Elections => Topic started by: mondale84 on July 23, 2011, 02:11:01 AM



Title: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: mondale84 on July 23, 2011, 02:11:01 AM
Is this a possible map for the general?

Obama vs. Romney

(
)

Obama: 277
Romney: 261

I know there are a few strange things. Noticeably Ohio going for Obama and Pennsylvania going for Romney. But I figure it's possible given the current polling. I would think Arizona would be the deciding state and though I think it's possible (and perhaps likely) that it would vote for Romney in the above scenario...it may just perhaps pick the winner...let me know your thoughts...


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: JacobNC on July 23, 2011, 02:15:51 AM
Even though Nevada is a heavily Mormon state I think it would be more likely to go for Obama than Arizona.

And I don't know about Iowa.  Romney skipping Iowa primaries is kind of like flipping a middle finger at Iowa.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: specific_name on July 23, 2011, 02:45:37 AM
No not really, no. MI wouldn't go for Romney before WI or OH. PA and IA are't going to go for Romney with OH and NC (especially) for Obama. Also AZ is not ready to go for a Democrat unless Obama performs better than 08 by a substantial degree, when the Hispanic population gets higher...maybe. The Kerry states that you have Romney winning, would probably imply a larger npv percent for Romney, he'd probably win the Western swing states VA and NC if he nabs both PA and MI.

Here's a map, for a close race.... What I think will happen with about the same unemployment, no major third party challenges.

(
)


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: NHI on July 23, 2011, 04:58:30 AM
(
)

Romney: 327
Obama: 211


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: Heimdal on July 23, 2011, 07:07:19 AM
I wonder what the chances are of Romney winning Maine.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: pbrower2a on July 23, 2011, 07:38:20 AM
I wonder what the chances are of Romney winning Maine.

Probably about the same as those of President Obama winning Tennessee -- only in an electoral blowout.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: Lief 🗽 on July 23, 2011, 11:43:23 AM
Guys, can we stop with this "Nevada and Colorado and etc" are heavily Mormon states nonsense? First of all, no, they're not. 11% of the Nevadan population is Mormon. Colorado's is like 3% if I remember correctly. Second of all, these Mormons already vote in higher proportions than other religious groups, and they already vote heavily Republican. Mitt Romney is not going to get some gigantic Mormon bump in the Southwest.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 23, 2011, 11:48:31 AM
Even though Nevada is a heavily Mormon state I think it would be more likely to go for Obama than Arizona.

And I don't know about Iowa.  Romney skipping Iowa primaries is kind of like flipping a middle finger at Iowa.
First off, you must be referring to the Iowa caucus, not the Iowa primary. Mitt Romney isn't skipping the caucus, he's just skipping the straw poll, along with all other straw polls across the country.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: Yelnoc on July 23, 2011, 11:56:23 AM
No not really, no. MI wouldn't go for Romney before WI or OH. PA and IA are't going to go for Romney with OH and NC (especially) for Obama. Also AZ is not ready to go for a Democrat unless Obama performs better than 08 by a substantial degree, when the Hispanic population gets higher...maybe. The Kerry states that you have Romney winning, would probably imply a larger npv percent for Romney, he'd probably win the Western swing states VA and NC if he nabs both PA and MI.

Here's a map, for a close race.... What I think will happen with about the same unemployment, no major third party challenges.

(
)
Ohio and Pennsylvania tend to vote in tandem; I can see an Obama win in Ohio but loss in Pennsylvania if both states go by a few tenths of a percent.  

Michigan may very well flip for Romney if the economy and unemployment continues to worsen.  Wisconsin would obviously be close, by residual anger at Governor Walker (especially if he does something else stupid) could be enough to keep that state in Obama's column.

Demographic shifts could allow Obama to hold onto Virginia and even North Carolina (though the second one would have to be coupled with depressed conservative turnout, which is likely if the primaries turn into a protracted battle with Bachmann or Perry).  

11% is a sizable Mormon population in Nevada when you consider they will likely make up about 1/5 of the states voters (think; voter turnout).  The real swing factor, IMO, will be the economy.  Nevada already has the worst unemployment situation and housing crises in the country; I don't see Obama doing well there as is.

Arizona and Iowa are the two states I can't easily explain.  You could say the Hispanic vote turned against Romney, but then how did he win Nevada?  Maybe if Nevada and Arizona were each one by only a few tenths of a percent like Ohio and Pennsylvania.  Iowa, I don't see Romney having much appeal in at all.  But hey, I could be wrong.

Over all, I would say the map is plausible but not probable.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: TJ in Oregon on July 23, 2011, 12:23:36 PM

I think this is a fairly likely map for a close Romney win. I'd probably switch Nevada and New Hampshire but otherwise it looks right to me.

I know there are a half dozen polls out their saying the opposite, but I don't think there's any chance whatsoever of Romney winning PA and losing OH. OH and PA don't really vote in tandom anymore; PA votes for the Democrat unless it's a landslide and OH usually votes for whoever wins. It may be possible for Romney to win OH and PA (and probably MI too at that point) and have the election still be close, but OH is a more Republican state than the others mentioned. Detroit and Philly are bigger Dem vote sinks than Cleveland. That's why in a nutshell. Kasich may be unpopular, but so is ever other governor in the lower Midwest. The Rust Belt is angry at everyone right now and will be for a long time because our economy has been in shambles and bleeding jobs for 50 years. I doubt many people who weren't already going to vote for Obama anyway will have there mind changed by SB5 (Note: I am neither endorsing nor condemning SB5; there are parts I like and parts I dislike).

Oh, by the way, Obama isn't going to win Indiana unless the Republican has an epic meldown or unemployment is under 6%.

Virginia seems to be experiencing a sort of "reversion to the mean" since 2008 by electing Bob McDonell and McDonell remaining popular. Of course, Obama could still win VA but I don't think he's more likely to than any of the states colored red. The same goes for NC.

Colorado may be lost for the Republicans for a long time. There wasn't much of a 2010 resurgence there and I'm starting to doubt Romney can win it unless the election is a blowout. Nevada may be the same position as Colorado, but I think that's a little more uncertain.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: Niemeyerite on July 23, 2011, 06:35:36 PM
I'm giving GA to Obama not because I think he's the favourite there, but because my guts say he'll beat romney there:

(
)


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: Gustaf on July 23, 2011, 06:49:05 PM
It won't be 2008 forever.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: auburntiger on July 23, 2011, 07:13:36 PM
(
)

I think this is the max Romney could achieve.

Battleground states will be Nevada, Colorado, Iowa, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida



Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: DrScholl on July 23, 2011, 07:59:36 PM
(
)

Assuming he gets the nomination, which is not even a sure thing for him, this is the map I see for him at this point.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on July 23, 2011, 11:32:05 PM
If Obama loses MI and PA, he probably also loses OH.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: AUH2O Libertarian on July 24, 2011, 01:06:44 AM
Is this a possible map for the general?

Obama vs. Romney

Obama: 277
Romney: 261

I know there are a few strange things. Noticeably Ohio going for Obama and Pennsylvania going for Romney. But I figure it's possible given the current polling. I would think Arizona would be the deciding state and though I think it's possible (and perhaps likely) that it would vote for Romney in the above scenario...it may just perhaps pick the winner...let me know your thoughts...

Flip Arizona and I think you are spot on.

Romney 272
Obama 266


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: specific_name on July 24, 2011, 02:33:18 AM
Nevada may be the same position as Colorado, but I think that's a little more uncertain.
I give Romney the edge in NV in a close race because of the very poor economy, otherwise it would lean D.

But I don't think this race is going to be that close, my intuition - at least- makes me think it will be decisive.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: Tender Branson on July 26, 2011, 01:28:58 PM
Possibly something like this ?

(
)

Obama wins 271-267.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: America™ on July 26, 2011, 04:15:16 PM
(
)

Economy at >9.1% and Romney sweeps through the primaries with very little competition.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: m4567 on July 26, 2011, 06:29:03 PM
Unemployment around 8.3% vs. Romney: Obama runs a great campaign and wins: 279-259


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: Devilman88 on July 27, 2011, 11:16:44 AM
This is what I have it at right now:

(
)

Obama(D-IL)/Biden(D-DE): 272
Romney(R-NH)/(TBN): 266


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: TJ in Oregon on July 27, 2011, 09:23:19 PM
Wow, everyone on here seems to think Obama could win Ohio while losing PA and MI. I know the polls seem to say that at the moment, but there really is no plausible scenario where that will happen. I think a lot of people are taking the polls too seriously at this point.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: anvi on July 27, 2011, 09:38:49 PM
Why do some here think Romney will win Michigan?  His dad was governor there more than forty years ago, and every time he goes there, he gets hammered over his opposition to the auto bailouts.  How, exactly, does he win the state?


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: DS0816 on July 29, 2011, 02:20:28 AM
Is this a possible map for the general?

No.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: KevinD on July 29, 2011, 03:40:12 PM
All and all, it's not a bad prediction. A couple of things to consider:

In 2009 Republicans took firm control of Virginia state government. In fact every Republican running for statewide office garnered at least 60% of the vote. What's more, President Obama's poll numbers remain lackluster in the state. I think we can move it safely into the Republican column.

Ohio will be a fight (as per usual) but Republicans made historic gains in the industrial Midwest in 2010, winning Congressional, Senate, and Gubernatorial races in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, and Minnesota. There's an obvious trend emerging here, potentially a realignment. If Mitt Romney wins the nomination, he stands a strong chance at taking Michigan (his native state which his father ran). What's more with high unemployment and low approval numbers, Ohio is starting look bad for the President. Even if he wins Pennsylvania (which I suspect he will) I don't see how he wins re-election without these two states.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on July 29, 2011, 09:43:21 PM
I'm not buying PA swings just yet. I think Romney has a real shot at NH, Florida, Ohio and NC. If the economy slips back into a recession, he wins more states than we expect at the moment.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on July 29, 2011, 09:54:24 PM
Wow, everyone on here seems to think Obama could win Ohio while losing PA and MI. I know the polls seem to say that at the moment, but there really is no plausible scenario where that will happen. I think a lot of people are taking the polls too seriously at this point.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on July 29, 2011, 10:15:04 PM
All and all, it's not a bad prediction. A couple of things to consider:

In 2009 Republicans took firm control of Virginia state government. In fact every Republican running for statewide office garnered at least 60% of the vote. What's more, President Obama's poll numbers remain lackluster in the state. I think we can move it safely into the Republican column.
Lackluster approval ratings =/= "safe" Republican.
Quote
Ohio will be a fight (as per usual) but Republicans made historic gains in the industrial Midwest in 2010, winning Congressional, Senate, and Gubernatorial races in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, and Minnesota. There's an obvious trend emerging here, potentially a realignment. If Mitt Romney wins the nomination, he stands a strong chance at taking Michigan (his native state which his father ran). What's more with high unemployment and low approval numbers, Ohio is starting look bad for the President. Even if he wins Pennsylvania (which I suspect he will) I don't see how he wins re-election without these two states.
How well are the Republican governors of Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin doing again?


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: TJ in Oregon on July 29, 2011, 10:27:03 PM
How well are the Republican governors of Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin doing again?


How is the Democratic governor of Illinois doing? The rust belt hates almost all politicians right now. Kasich and Walker have done some things to upset people but the other two really haven't.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on July 29, 2011, 10:32:25 PM
Snyder is probably worse than Kasich.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on July 29, 2011, 11:18:48 PM
How well are the Republican governors of Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin doing again?


How is the Democratic governor of Illinois doing? The rust belt hates almost all politicians right now. Kasich and Walker have done some things to upset people but the other two really haven't.
Brady would be doing far worse than Quinn is right now.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: pbrower2a on July 30, 2011, 12:55:55 PM
Snyder is probably worse than Kasich.

Maybe not as bad a political figure -- not as abrasive and dictatorial -- but less likely to win re-election due to the one big demographic difference between Michigan and Wisconsin: Michigan has more blacks. It's the difference between Greater Detroit and Greater Milwaukee in size.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: pbrower2a on July 30, 2011, 01:29:31 PM
Is this a possible map for the general?

Obama vs. Romney

(
)



I know there are a few strange things. Noticeably Ohio going for Obama and Pennsylvania going for Romney. But I figure it's possible given the current polling. I would think Arizona would be the deciding state and though I think it's possible (and perhaps likely) that it would vote for Romney in the above scenario...it may just perhaps pick the winner...let me know your thoughts...

(
)

Recent partisan polls that showed the President losing Michigan and Florida are to be ignored. The most recent poll of Pennsylvania was taken at a recent nadir for support for the President, and that showed the President winning against everyone but Romney, but tying Romney. If he must campaign in Pennsylvania, then the President will, and his campaign will flood the state with campaign ads, and he will win the state.     

Nevada looked close throughout 2008 and went decidedly for Obama. The Obama campaign, should it do what it did in 2008, will flood the state with volunteers from California; some of them will change their legal residence (which is legal) and sway the state. 

Iowa and New Hampshire are now getting much attention from Republican pols who have disagreed on about everything except that President Obama is the reincarnation of Nero, Attila the Hun, Dracula, and Ivan the Terrible combined. Once the early caucuses and primaries are over and Republican candidates are no longer dominating the political spotlight, the states go back to normal with their recent leans D.

It's only one electoral vote, but the most recent configuration of NE-02 (Greater Omaha) went for President Obama and was last polled (this year) even more supportive of the President. To be sure, the district could be reconfigured to lose some Democratic voters and gain some Republican voters -- but enough to swing the district?

Nobody knows a d@mned thing about Indiana now except that it went for President Obama in 2008 and is probably less D than Ohio by about 3%. If the Republicans tea-bag Senator Lugar successfully, then this state will be seen as fair game for Democrats, and you can expect a few campaign appearances by the President for the Democratic nominee for the Senate and for Democrats running for Congress. But that is a big 'if'. Until I see something I am going to treat Indiana as a blank.

I don't see President Obama winning Arizona except if the retiree or near-retiree voters get scared about either Social Security or Medicare. But at that it is a shaky R, as must be Georgia and Missouri. Sure, they are only 'university' polls, and they came when nationwide support for the President was high for the time, but those suggest that Tennessee will be "shaky R" for Romney.  Kentucky usually votes with Tennessee, so it goes to the "Shaky R" category.

Finally, North Carolina has largely been either 'shaky D' or a virtual tie in Romney-Obama matchups, so I call North Carolina "shaky D". 



Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: 5280 on July 30, 2011, 09:48:28 PM
That map is pro-Obama and putting too much faith into a President with poor approval ratings. I would say that your map is a flaw.

Redo it over!


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on July 30, 2011, 10:11:22 PM
There is no way Obama would keep North Carolina while losing Michigan, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: Yelnoc on July 30, 2011, 10:19:22 PM
Assuming our credit rating is slashed prompting a recession that lasts from late this quarter until after the election, unemployment continues to rise, and we get an oil shock next summer that puts 2008's to shame...I would say something like the below.

(
)


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: pbrower2a on July 31, 2011, 10:54:18 AM
Assuming our credit rating is slashed prompting a recession that lasts from late this quarter until after the election, unemployment continues to rise, and we get an oil shock next summer that puts 2008's to shame...I would say something like the below.

(
)

Change the assumptions and you change everything. 


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on July 31, 2011, 01:07:16 PM
If he loses New Jersey, he'll certainly lose Oregon and New Mexico first.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: Mehmentum on July 31, 2011, 01:42:45 PM
There is no way Obama would keep North Carolina while losing Michigan, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire.
I agree with you on Michigan, but Obama is performing about as well in Pennsylvania and New Hampshire in most polls as he is in North Carolina.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: California8429 on July 31, 2011, 03:18:46 PM
I could see it, though Colorado and Ohio would be a lighter shade


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: Yelnoc on July 31, 2011, 03:51:03 PM
Change the assumptions and you change everything. 
Yep.  I was in a pessimistic mood when I made that.  Still am, actually.

If he loses New Jersey, he'll certainly lose Oregon and New Mexico first.
I was thinking all three of those states were one and loss by a hair.  My guess is that New Jersey would be hit hardest by this economic catastrophe scenario, while Romney's appeal in Oregon and especially New Mexico is limited.  But this is all guesswork.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: pbrower2a on July 31, 2011, 04:11:19 PM
I could see it, though Colorado and Ohio would be a lighter shade

The lighter change is to show highlighting of change from another map more than anything else. President Obama is likely to win Michigan by a larger margin  or lose by a smaller margin than Ohio or for Obama to win Michigan while losing Ohio.

I see President Obama winning Colorado by nearly 10% if he wins on a national scale as he did in 2012 as in 2008, though, with Colorado as one of the few states in which he gains any in  any state that he won by 5% or more. That is demographics more than anything else, with the 2010 election showing Colorado more D than the national average for the first time in years. I see him losing a little ground in most states that he won and gaining a little in states that he lost with little change in those that he barely won.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: 5280 on July 31, 2011, 05:22:25 PM
2008 doesnt last forever and demographics don't always reflect the votes. Explain to me why would you vote for Obama a 2nd term when he barely done jack schit in office during his first term?

Unemployment above 9%, we're in two wars and the debt is off the charts. Obama winning a 2nd term? I take that with a grain of salt.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: Mechaman on July 31, 2011, 07:52:36 PM
Oh yes, the unbeatable incumbent argument.  Where have I heard that one before?  Ah yes, now I remember:

(
)

(
)


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: m4567 on August 01, 2011, 10:59:42 PM
Unless, there's a huge doubledip, it's hard to see Romney winning. He's the most presidential-like of the gop field, but he's not exciting, he's pretty much a republican John Kerry.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: zorkpolitics on August 03, 2011, 08:23:16 PM
Obama continues to sink in approval polls, Romney has now been in the lead in at least one poll from MI, PA, IA, NH, and FL, so with this trend growing its starting to looks like a Romney blow-out.
Romney 337   Obama  201


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: mondale84 on August 03, 2011, 08:37:01 PM
Obama continues to sink in approval polls, Romney has now been in the lead in at least one poll from MI, PA, IA, NH, and FL, so with this trend growing its starting to looks like a Romney blow-out.
Romney 337   Obama  282



????????


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: HST1948 on August 03, 2011, 08:38:29 PM
Obama continues to sink in approval polls, Romney has now been in the lead in at least one poll from MI, PA, IA, NH, and FL, so with this trend growing its starting to looks like a Romney blow-out.
Romney 337   Obama  282



????????

Oh did you miss it? We annexed Iraq and Afghanistan and now have more electoral votes ;).


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: DS0816 on August 04, 2011, 03:09:18 AM
There is no way Obama would keep North Carolina while losing Michigan, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire.

QFT


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: pbrower2a on August 04, 2011, 09:57:20 AM
Obama continues to sink in approval polls, Romney has now been in the lead in at least one poll from MI, PA, IA, NH, and FL, so with this trend growing its starting to looks like a Romney blow-out.
Romney 337   Obama  282


I am surprised that he isn't sinking faster. The budget-ceiling deal is a raw deal, as it practically ensures no economic upturn for the next five years for any but the top 2% of income-grabbers.

Rasmussen has been very stable immediately after the Raw Deal.



Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: DS0816 on August 12, 2011, 08:54:45 AM
Obama continues to sink in approval polls, Romney has now been in the lead in at least one poll from MI, PA, IA, NH, and FL, so with this trend growing its starting to looks like a Romney blow-out.
Romney 337    Obama  282

337
282

9
1
add 1 to the 5 and that's 6


…619 electoral votes?


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on August 12, 2011, 04:17:40 PM
Obama continues to sink in approval polls, Romney has now been in the lead in at least one poll from MI, PA, IA, NH, and FL, so with this trend growing its starting to looks like a Romney blow-out.
Romney 337    Obama  282

337
282

9
1
add 1 to the 5 and that's 6


…619 electoral votes?
...Everyone's a winner! :D


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: willredd94 on August 14, 2011, 12:57:47 PM
Obama's approval rating according to Gallup is 39%. It is also 39% in Michigan, with Romney running (native son) Michigan would most likely go Republican. As for NC or VA, it's hard to imagine Obama winning them again. THere will be less Black turnout and he probably wont get 95% of the Black vote again either. In the mid term elections 89% of Blacks voted Democrat, currently 83% of Blacks approve obama. Pennsylvania will be a very close race and will probably decide the election. Iowa will also be close. Indiana will swing back fairly strongly to the Republicans. Florida will lean Republican, as will Ohio as they both are now. New Hampshire will be close. Nevada will probably go Republican just b/c of Romney's popularity out there. New Mexico will stay dem and Colorado will also be close. Missouri will stay republican with a stronger margin. My prediction is Romney wins with about 51.5% of the vote.


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: Simfan34 on August 14, 2011, 01:03:32 PM

The Weekly Newsmagazine?


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: zorkpolitics on August 14, 2011, 01:07:49 PM
Sorry fixed my math error:  Romney 337 Obama 201


Title: Re: A Possible Obama vs. Romney Map?
Post by: The Vorlon on August 14, 2011, 01:59:35 PM

And the future ain't what is used to be :)