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Title: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: Nichlemn on August 01, 2011, 01:45:06 AM
Plenty of candidates decline to run because their chances weren't great. But how many were genuinely popular enough that their decision not to run could be construed as genuinely being uninterested in the Presidency? I'm thinking of General William Sherman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tecumseh_Sherman), the originator of the Shermanesque statement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shermaneque statement), of which this might be true.


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: NVGonzalez on August 01, 2011, 03:03:49 AM
Mario Cuomo and Colin Powell are two that I can think off right away.


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: Nichlemn on August 01, 2011, 04:18:05 AM
Mario Cuomo and Colin Powell are two that I can think off right away.

At least in 1992, Cuomo's decision not to run probably stemmed from Bush's seeming invulnerability. IIRC Powell was spooked by the possibly Bradley effect. I'm thinking of someone like Eisenhower if he had declined his draft.


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: tpfkaw on August 01, 2011, 08:32:20 AM
RFK (in 1964)

Calvin Coolidge (in 1928 and possibly 1932)

Eisenhower (in 1948)

Any Democrats who would've had a better shot at nomination than Woodrow Wilson or Franklin Roosevelt in 1912 or 1932

Any Republican who would've had a better shot at nomination than McKinley in 1896

Any Republican who would've had a better shot at the nomination for Vice-President than Roosevelt in 1900


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: Username MechaRFK on August 02, 2011, 05:58:57 PM
Mario Cuomo and Colin Powell are two that I can think off right away.




Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: Miles on August 02, 2011, 09:23:04 PM
Well, the Kingfish was shot before he could run....


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: NCeriale on August 11, 2011, 12:38:35 AM
Ted Kennedy in '88
Colin Powell in '96 or '00 (or both, you know how the Republican party works)
Joe Biden in '04 MAYBE
Christie in 2012


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook on August 11, 2011, 01:46:25 PM
RFK (in 1964)

Calvin Coolidge (in 1928 and possibly 1932)

Eisenhower (in 1948)

Any Democrats who would've had a better shot at nomination than Woodrow Wilson or Franklin Roosevelt in 1912 or 1932

Any Republican who would've had a better shot at nomination than McKinley in 1896

Any Republican who would've had a better shot at the nomination for Vice-President than Roosevelt in 1900
Of course, my theory is that Coolidge knew the Great Depression was going to happen, so he chose not to run so they wouldn't blame him.


Anyway, I echo the Powel statements. He would have done very well against both Clinton and Gore.


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: cavalcade on August 11, 2011, 02:43:21 PM
Are we talking about people who NEVER ran for President, or people who chose not to run for President at a time when they had a good chance of winning (whether or not they ran another time)?

If the latter, there are probably a ton...Clinton 2004 would be the most recent, with the possible exception of Huckabee 2012.

If the former, yeah, Powell & Cuomo.


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: phk on August 11, 2011, 09:54:03 PM
Qualified D's in 92.

Qualified R's in 80.


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook on August 11, 2011, 10:04:45 PM
Qualified D's in 92.

Qualified R's in 80.

I think Ford could have pulled a Cleveland if Reagan decided not to run for some reason.


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: Guderian on August 23, 2011, 01:20:46 PM
Mario Cuomo would have lost in 1992.


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: "'Oeps!' De blunders van Rick Perry Indicted" on August 23, 2011, 01:56:18 PM
Mario Cuomo would have lost in 1992.

Maybe in the primaries.


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: "'Oeps!' De blunders van Rick Perry Indicted" on August 23, 2011, 02:00:15 PM
Gore in 2008; Ted Kennedy in '68 (draft effort at the convention) or '76.


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: "'Oeps!' De blunders van Rick Perry Indicted" on August 23, 2011, 02:02:04 PM
At least in 1992, Cuomo's decision not to run probably stemmed from Bush's seeming invulnerability.

Cuomo decided later than everyone else (Dec. 1991) after Bush's numbers had started to decline seriously.


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: Guderian on August 24, 2011, 11:23:00 AM

Nah, he'd win the primaries easily but his general election bid would have been Dukakis II. Bush would have swept the South and Perot would never be a major factor.


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: minionofmidas on August 25, 2011, 06:16:42 AM
All of them lately, which is why you've ended up with this amazing (if underwhelming) list of quite improbable Presidents beginning with Evil Dick.


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: redcommander on August 25, 2011, 06:57:53 PM
General Petraeus would have won quite easily against Obama if he had decided to run for 2012. He would of course had to have gotten through the primary though.


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: RodPresident on August 25, 2011, 09:08:12 PM
Howard Baker'88,  Mark Warner 2008, WJB 1912, MacArthur in 1948, Inouye in 88, John Danforth in 96.


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 27, 2011, 05:49:17 PM
Calvin Coolidge (in 1928 and possibly 1932)

No way for 1932. Even if he magically won the 1932 election, there's that little problem of him not living until inauguration day in 1933.


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: I Am Feeblepizza. on August 27, 2011, 08:13:54 PM
Mitch Daniels and Chris Christie, 2012


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on September 06, 2011, 07:43:52 PM
Reubin Askew in 1976.


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: Yelnoc on September 06, 2011, 08:47:12 PM
Colin Powell in 2000.


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: Peter the Lefty on September 11, 2012, 06:54:43 AM
Colin Powell in 2000.
Mario Cuomo...a lot of times. 
Al Gore in 2004. 
Bernie Sanders (primary challenge) in 2012. 
Russ Feingold in 2012 (same reason). 
Chris Christie in 2012 (never say never, unfortunately). 
Jim DeMint in 2012. 


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on September 11, 2012, 11:06:35 AM

Bernie Sanders (primary challenge) in 2012. 
Russ Feingold in 2012 (same reason).  

lolno


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: LastVoter on September 11, 2012, 12:50:20 PM
Sanders could have won in '08.


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: Supersonic on September 11, 2012, 01:17:14 PM

Nah.


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: TNF on September 11, 2012, 02:25:54 PM
Mario Cuomo in '92.

Mike Huckabee is probably kicking himself for not running this year.


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: morgieb on September 11, 2012, 05:43:05 PM
Cuomo.


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: Mr. Morden on September 12, 2012, 08:04:44 PM
Hillary Clinton in 2016.

Mike Huckabee is probably kicking himself for not running this year.

Even if Huckabee managed to win the GOP nomination, he would have faced huge difficulties in the general election.  Imagine how damaged he would have been by the Akin mess, given his appointment of Boozman to be Arkansas's health director years ago.


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: Tidus on September 13, 2012, 08:01:42 AM
I still think there is a 50/50 chance of Clinton running in 2016.


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: Warren 4 Secretary of Everything on September 13, 2012, 08:34:54 PM
1968- Lyndon Johnson
1976- Ted Kennedy
1988- Ted Kennedy, Mario Cuomo, Gary Hart (w/out scandal), Llyod Bentsen
1992- Mario Cuomo, Llyod Bentsen
1996- Colin Powell
2000- Colin Powell, John Kerry, Howard Dean, Tom Daschle, Max Cleland, Sam Nunn
2004- Al Gore, Bill Nelson, Tom Daschle, Mac Cleland, Sam Nunn, Hillary Clinton
2012- Rudy Giuliani (even I'd consider it), Hillary Clinton, Mike Huckabee, George Pataki, Jeb Bush, Chris Christie


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: Mister Mets on September 14, 2012, 08:59:51 PM
I agree that either Mario Cuomo or Lloyd Bentsen likely would have won the Democratic Party's nomination and the presidency in 1992.

Considering how close the 2004 election was, I think Gore would have won against W. And he would have likely prevailed in the primary.

Colin Powell would likely have won in 1996. W was likely too powerful a General Election opponent in 2000.

I think Kennedy would have been too damaged by Chappaquiddick to ever become President.

Either Chris Christie, Marco Rubio and Paul Ryan could have beaten Romney in the 2012 primary, and performed better in the General Election polls.


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: Cory on October 18, 2012, 01:38:29 AM
-Gore in 2008
-Hillary Clinton in 2004
-Powell in 1996
-Cuomo in 1992
-Ted Kennedy 1976/1988 (bigtime maybe)



Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on October 18, 2012, 01:43:25 AM
Ted Kennedy 1976
Mario Cuomo 1992
Colin Powell 1996, 2000
Al Gore 2004
Hillary Clinton 2004

If they had run for another term
Teddy Roosevelt 1908
Calvin Coolidge 1928
Dwight Eisenhower 1960
Ronald Reagan 1988
Bill Clinton 2000


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on October 30, 2012, 04:24:22 AM
Gore would have won in 2004. 


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: Phony Moderate on October 30, 2012, 10:29:28 AM
1988 - Mario Cuomo and Howard Baker
1992 - Mario Cuomo
1996 - Colin Powell
2000 - Colin Powell and Christine Todd Whitman
2004 - Al Gore
2008 - Al Gore and Mark Warner


Title: Re: How many probable Presidents declined to run?
Post by: Mikestone8 on November 17, 2012, 03:46:50 AM
General Sherman in 1876, or probably any of 1880, 1884 or 1888