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Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion => Alternative Elections => Topic started by: #CriminalizeSobriety on September 01, 2011, 03:03:10 PM



Title: ROTK Elections
Post by: #CriminalizeSobriety on September 01, 2011, 03:03:10 PM
Alright, typically I rail against these types of threads, but since these were actual political leaders (though not in the American sense) I think it's justified, as long as Batman vs Superman is too.

So this is largely just speculation and educated guesses, but hey, why the hell not?

For those who'd like to contribute, I am not too picky. Even if you haven't read the novel in its entirety, as long as you have an understanding... go for it! :)

I'll start off with the election of 184 A.D.

The election of 184 A.D would be most akin to 1972. The empire has great troubles set aside it, yet the only legitimate opposition, Zhang Jiao of the Yellow Scarves, is seen as a gadfly, "off the deep-end", and head of a band of thugs.

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Liu Hong, "Emperor Ling"/ Zhang Rang - 538 EV, 67.17% PV
Zhang Jiao / Zhang Bao - 0 EV, 25.71% PV
NOTA - 7.12%


Title: Re: ROTK Elections
Post by: NCeriale on September 01, 2011, 08:46:11 PM
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Goes to the House err Emperor
Liu Bei throws his support to Wu to get 299 EVs, as long as Liu Bei gets to be VP under Sun Quan. In the next election Wu nominee Lu Xun betrays Shu and joins forces with Wei Nominee Cao Ren to deny the presidency to Shu nominee Guan Yu.


Title: Re: ROTK Elections
Post by: #CriminalizeSobriety on September 01, 2011, 10:45:34 PM
I'll go back for some of the older ones, but this is one I want to try.

Alright. The election of 200 A.D.

The election would reflect Yuan Shao's stunning defeat at the Battle of Guan Du, before which he was heavily favored to unify China. Sun Ce, the "Little Conqueror" has a lackluster performance and does not live up to the hype - many chalk this up to his ailing health and the execution of Yu Ji as an "October Surprise" which hurt his favorability ratings.

Yuan Shao, descending from a long line of Han servants, and being a Confucianist, is seen as a "traditionalist." With his running-mate, guest general Liu Bei, a "man of the people" and Han relative, he solidifies enough of a base in the South.

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Cao Cao / Liu Xie, "Emperor Xian" - 237 EV, 33.24% PV
Liu Biao / Kuai Yue - 188 EV, 29.87% PV
Yuan Shao / Liu Bei (initially Chunyu Qiong) - 105 EV, 28.31% PV
Sun Ce / Zhang Zhao - 8 EV, 6.34% PV
Others* - 0 EV, 2.24%

*Unsolicited ballot-status by Ma Teng and Liu Zhang, quixotic LaRouchite candidacy by Zhang Lu.


Title: Re: ROTK Elections
Post by: #CriminalizeSobriety on October 03, 2011, 03:21:05 PM
Alright, I'm going to offer my own take on "The Battle of Red Cliffs" (Chibi)

The Election of 208 A.D.

The election of 208 A.D. would reflect a dramatic increase in the strength of Wu, whom was also a benefactor in Liu Biao's dissolution. Sun Quan's base would, much like his brother, reside chiefly on coastal areas, running a left libertarianesque campaign, except for promises of large naval development. He selects Zhou Yu as a running mate, over the pro-peace official Zhang Zhao.

Liu Bei would continue to campaign as the Imperial Uncle and true protector of the Han, painting Cao Cao's reign as illegitimate, and a regime. His primary focus is the deep and outer South, continuing his image as a "man of the people." He picks the astute Zhuge Liang to balance the ticket with domestic affairs. Both campaigns tacitly support eachother.

Cao Cao, meanwhile, campaigns on having restored order to the Court and unity. He retains a majority, but shockingly less than what it had been in the previous election*, retaining Emperor Xian as a running-mate to prove he is a loyal supporter of the Han.

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Cao Cao / Liu Xie, "Emperor Xian" - 276 EV, 38.17% PV
Sun Quan / Zhou Yu - 229 EV, 29.78% PV
Liu Bei / Zhuge Liang - 33 EV, 26.41% PV
Liu Zhang / Huang Quan - 0 EV, 4.43% PV (Write-in)
Ma Teng / Han Sui - 0 EV, 1.12% PV (Write-in)
Zhang Lu / Yan Pu - 0 EV, 0.09% PV (Write-in)



*(Which I shall get to a little later. :))


Title: Re: ROTK Elections
Post by: #CriminalizeSobriety on June 15, 2012, 12:34:38 AM
Backtracking a bit.

The Election of 203 A.D.

Shortly after the battle of Guan Du, Yuan Shao passes away. On his passing, he states his will that he be succeeded by his youngest son, Yuan Shang. For all the charm, handsomeness and bravery of Shang, this does not compensate for the violation of primogeniture, and his forces halve between him and his oldest brother, Yuan Tan. Riding high on the momentum from Guan Du, Cao Cao exploits the rift in the Yuans and plucks away several states carried by Yuan Shao.

Additionally, the death of Sun Ce, a Yuan Shao ally, bodes well for Cao Cao, as Sun Quan broke off their ties. Sun Quan cuts into Liu Biao's margin, expanding the Wu voter base, but the only benefactor is Cao Cao, who picks up Connecticut and Pennsylvania as a result.

Liu Bei, at one point the runningmate of Yuan Shao, has ended his brief stint with the clan and only picks up a handful of impoverished peasantry and those who pine for a new Liu to receive the mandate of Heaven.

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Cao Cao / Liu Xie, "Emperor Xian" 306 EV's, 36.65% PV
Liu Biao / Kuai Yue 157 EV's, 27.38% PV
Sun Quan / Zhang Zhao 16 EV, 15.44% PV
Yuan Shang / Shen Pei 47 EV, 10.74% PV
Yuan Tan / Guo Tu 12 EV, 8.22% PV
Liu Bei / Jian Yong 0 EV, 1.50% PV
Others .07% PV


Title: Re: ROTK Elections
Post by: The Mikado on June 15, 2012, 01:15:41 AM
Shu supremacy.  Liu Bei for life.