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Atlas Fantasy Elections => Atlas Fantasy Elections => Topic started by: Lincoln Republican on September 04, 2011, 10:08:34 PM



Title: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD CONCESSION
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 04, 2011, 10:08:34 PM
I am running for President of Atlasia.

The cornerstone of my campaign will be a policy that will set the tone for democratic reform in this nation, a policy that protects the most fundamental expression of democracy, the vote.

The Vote Sanctity Act, the groundbreaking legislation that as Governor I pioneered in the Northeast Region, would be of great benefit to the entire nation of Atlasia.

The Vote Sanctity Act simply disallows any editing of a vote once it has been cast.  Therefore, no manipulation or invalidation of a vote can occur.

This act has been in effect in the Northeast for some time now and our elections run smoothly, free of any possiblity whatsoever of any manipulation or invalidation.  This should be the case with voting throughout Atlasia.

The will of the people of Atlasia must be recognized, free from vote tampering of any kind.

We are well aware of the debilitating effect and divisiveness that corruption can have on a nation.

Atlasia must never again be allowed to wallow in the mires of Invaligate.  

I appeal to Atlasians from coast to coast to restore true democracy to this nation, and to support me in ensuring voting equity for this republic.    


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on September 04, 2011, 10:49:53 PM
Any VP candidates yet?


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on September 04, 2011, 11:09:19 PM
I'm very interested in seeing/hearing what your plans are


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 04, 2011, 11:24:54 PM
I'm very interested in seeing/hearing what your plans are

Thank you for your interest Mr. President.

Although the Vote Sanctity Act is the cornerstone of my campaign, as I believe that a voting system free of any opportunities for corruption, manipulation, or invalidation, is absolutely fundamental and critical to the smooth operation of a democracy, I of course have other policies and programs to move forward, which I will be discussing during the course of the campaign.   


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 05, 2011, 12:19:52 AM
Is there anyway to prove that someone edited their vote within the first two minutes, since it doesn't record that at the bottom of the post?


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: ZuWo on September 05, 2011, 01:01:33 AM
This campaign has my deepest respect. I wish you all the best and an entertaining election campaign. :)


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Napoleon on September 05, 2011, 04:24:49 AM
I will be keeping a close eye on you candidacy.  :)


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 05, 2011, 10:53:52 AM
Is there anyway to prove that someone edited their vote within the first two minutes, since it doesn't record that at the bottom of the post?

If nothing is recorded at the bottom of the post, then for purposes of the official record, there is no editing that has taken place.  Besides, it would be impossible for someone to see there is a vote they want changed or invalidated, send a PM to someone pressuring them to change or invalidate their vote, have the recipient see they have a PM and read it, have the recipient change or invalidate their vote, all within two minutes.

 


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Hash on September 05, 2011, 11:29:59 AM
The Movement does not approve.


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 05, 2011, 11:49:01 AM
I will be keeping a close eye on you candidacy.  :)

OH OH!  :)


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 05, 2011, 11:51:56 AM

Of democratic reform?


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 05, 2011, 12:10:21 PM
This campaign has my deepest respect. I wish you all the best and an entertaining election campaign. :)

Thank you ZuWo.  Much appreciated.


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 05, 2011, 04:48:15 PM
Is there anyway to prove that someone edited their vote within the first two minutes, since it doesn't record that at the bottom of the post?

If nothing is recorded at the bottom of the post, then for purposes of the official record, there is no editing that has taken place.  Besides, it would be impossible for someone to see there is a vote they want changed or invalidated, send a PM to someone pressuring them to change or invalidate their vote, have the recipient see they have a PM and read it, have the recipient change or invalidate their vote, all within two minutes.


Then you aren't eliminating the modification period, just reducing it to two minutes. And if all you can do is reduce it, then such a change should take into account slower connection speeds, because otherwise those with faster connections will always be able to modify and those with slower ones may get screwed out of their votes by a few seconds.


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 05, 2011, 05:12:42 PM
Is there anyway to prove that someone edited their vote within the first two minutes, since it doesn't record that at the bottom of the post?

If nothing is recorded at the bottom of the post, then for purposes of the official record, there is no editing that has taken place.  Besides, it would be impossible for someone to see there is a vote they want changed or invalidated, send a PM to someone pressuring them to change or invalidate their vote, have the recipient see they have a PM and read it, have the recipient change or invalidate their vote, all within two minutes.


Then you aren't eliminating the modification period, just reducing it to two minutes. And if all you can do is reduce it, then such a change should take into account slower connection speeds, because otherwise those with faster connections will always be able to modify and those with slower ones may get screwed out of their votes by a few seconds.

If there is any editing at the bottom of the post, the vote is invalid.  I think that should be clear.  This is not rocket science.  Anyone is free to nit pick all they want.  Everyone can use the preview button before posting. 

You make the editing time two minutes, then you would say the editing time should be three or four minutes, because some connections are slower than others.

Then, before you know it, you are back to the point where votes can be manipulated by others, and to where voters can be persuaded to invalidate their votes. 


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 05, 2011, 05:48:18 PM
Perhaps you shouldn't assume stuff. Preview often jams my connection.


Winfield, the problem here is you are using the wrong approach to protect the almighty vote and in so doing you are putting the innocent voter who just happens to not be able to afford a higher speed internet connection at an unfair disadvantage when it comes to voting. I have a notoriously crappy internet connection. My posts get messed up all the time because of it. Usually the times when it does this, is also the worst time to be quickly navigating pages (delays modification), or trying to use an interactive feature (Like preview). Do I just not vote if this happens to occur when I try to vote?

If you want to prevent intimidation, go after the intimidator, not the voter.




Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 05, 2011, 06:25:49 PM
Perhaps you shouldn't assume stuff. Preview often jams my connection.


Winfield, the problem here is you are using the wrong approach to protect the almighty vote and in so doing you are putting the innocent voter who just happens to not be able to afford a higher speed internet connection at an unfair disadvantage when it comes to voting. I have a notoriously crappy internet connection. My posts get messed up all the time because of it. Usually the times when it does this, is also the worst time to be quickly navigating pages (delays modification), or trying to use an interactive feature (Like preview). Do I just not vote if this happens to occur when I try to vote?

If you want to prevent intimidation, go after the intimidator, not the voter.


Yankee, thank you for your input.  I take your concerns seriously.

Like most any bill presented before a legislative body, the Vote Sanctity Act may have amendments made to it in the Senate and voted upon by the Senators.  Perhaps one of the Senators would present an amendment to this bill proposing editing be permitted up to two minutes after the original voting post has been made.  In any legislative body, many bills become legislation through amendments and compromise.

And I agree with you, if it can be proven that one has been involved in intimidation, they should by all means be prosecuted under the law. 


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Napoleon on September 05, 2011, 06:46:37 PM
The law has caused a total of zero problems in the Northeast. Everything has been running smoothly.


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on September 05, 2011, 06:59:35 PM
The law has caused a total of zero problems in the Northeast. Everything has been running smoothly.


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Mechaman on September 05, 2011, 07:04:06 PM
ENDORSED


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on September 05, 2011, 07:05:54 PM

I might as well make it official now :)


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 05, 2011, 08:14:37 PM

I know we've had our differences in the past, but Thank you Mechaman.  

Very much appreciated.  Very much indeed.

This proves that Atlasians from all across the spectrum can unite for a common cause.



Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 05, 2011, 08:22:10 PM

Thank you very much ats.  Your endorsement is much appreciated.


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: #CriminalizeSobriety on September 06, 2011, 06:24:21 PM
You have my full support.


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 06, 2011, 09:57:29 PM

Thank you very much Dallasfan.  Much appreciated. 


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 07, 2011, 01:04:37 AM
I am most pleased to announce that Senator Jbrase of the great state of Texas has accepted my invitation to become my running mate as the Vice Presidential candidate.

Thank you Jbrase for joining me on the ticket.   


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Napoleon on September 07, 2011, 01:06:13 AM
Wow an impressive ticket I must say.


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 07, 2011, 01:21:28 AM

Thank you Senator.  Nice of you to say. 


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: CatoMinor on September 07, 2011, 01:43:46 AM
Thank you Governor Winfield for having me on the ticket. :)

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Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Cincinnatus on September 07, 2011, 08:12:55 PM
TPP - Outside Voter Sanctity, what priorities do you have if you are elected President? 


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 07, 2011, 08:17:01 PM
Thank you Governor Winfield for having me on the ticket. :)



Senator, it is an honor for me to have you on the ticket.


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 07, 2011, 08:36:45 PM
TPP - Outside Voter Sanctity, what priorities do you have if you are elected President?  

Cincinnatus, that is a very good question, and thank  you for asking it.

As I am sure you can appreciate, I will at this time not be delving into specifics as the campaign has just begun.

During the course of the campaign, I shall be discussing policies I believe to be of importance, priorities I have, and my vision for Atlasia.



Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on September 07, 2011, 10:12:35 PM
I might be willing to support you, but I voted against such a reform in the Assembly, & therefore do not believe I should go back on my record. However, I wish you luck.

Then again, my reasons for voting against the MidEast reform might be different than voting for or against on a national scale. Nevertheless, good luck.


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 07, 2011, 11:00:30 PM
I might be willing to support you, but I voted against such a reform in the Assembly, & therefore do not believe I should go back on my record. However, I wish you luck.

Then again, my reasons for voting against the MidEast reform might be different than voting for or against on a national scale. Nevertheless, good luck.

I can respect your decision.  As far as I am concerned, when one follows their conscience, then for them, that is the right decision.

And it's true, we do not know at this point how this issue may play out on a national scale.


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on September 08, 2011, 01:43:37 PM
Endorsed!


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 08, 2011, 09:32:53 PM

Thank you so much.  Your endorsement is most appreciated.

This goes to show that pro Romney and anti Romney supporters can get together for a common cause.  :)


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on September 08, 2011, 09:48:44 PM

Thank you so much.  Your endorsement is most appreciated.

This goes to show that pro Romney and anti Romney supporters can get together for a common cause.  :)

Who is this "Romney" you speak of? ;)


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 08, 2011, 10:05:13 PM
If anyone wishes to use the Winfield/Jbrase banner in their signature for the duration of the campaign, please feel free to do so.

After all, we have nothing against FREE PUBLICITY!  :D


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 08, 2011, 10:10:34 PM
Jbrase is responsible for creating our very attractive campaign banner.

For those who like it, thank Senator Jbrase.

For those who don't like it, talk to me, and I'll deal with you.  :D 


Title: Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Napoleon on September 08, 2011, 10:13:32 PM
Jbrase is responsible for creating our very attractive campaign banner.

For those who like it, thank Senator Jbrase.

For those who don't like it, talk to me, and I'll deal with you.  :D 

I say a good arm grab plus a finger in the facial area is the best way to deal with the dissenters.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 09, 2011, 12:07:20 AM
In response to President Polnut, Speaker Cincinnatus, and Atlasians everywhere.

I have been asked, naturally enough, besides the Vote Sanctity Act, what other issues do I believe in and wish to introduce during the campaign.

I will discuss this evening issues that directly impact on the actual simulation itself.

Issues on various other policy matters will be discussed later.

These issues are not new, I am sure, but they are issues that I, and clearly others, would like to see.

As President, I would like to see discussions take place, perhaps on a regular basis, between the President and the regional Governors, to discuss issues and interests of common concern, and to get the Governors input on how national issues impact their regions.  I believe that strong regions make for a strong nation.

I would like to see a continuation in the Senate of honest, meaningful, and frank discussion and debate.  I would like to see personal animosities kept to a minimum and personal attacks avoided.  I am not saying there are personal attacks, but nonetheless, they should be avoided.

I realize there are varying and competing ideologies amongst lawmakers, and this is what makes for and interesting and active Senate and for lively debate.  I am hopeful this will continue.

I believe it is up to the President to be an example of leadership, direction, and cooperation.

Above all, I want to see all involved ENJOY THE SIMULATION AND HAVE FUN!

Thank you my fellow Atlasians for taking the time to listen to me, even though the hour is late.



Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on September 09, 2011, 02:21:40 PM
Winfield, I wonder if you have any ideas for reforming the Vice Presidency, an issue that was debated many times without any results.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 09, 2011, 10:31:52 PM
Winfield, I wonder if you have any ideas for reforming the Vice Presidency, an issue that was debated many times without any results.

Thank you for the question Kalwejt. 

Certainly the current responsibilities of the Vice President are important and essential and clearly those aspects of the Vice Presidency must, and will, remain intact.

Now, in answer to your question, perhaps we should begin by asking ourselves a question.

Since this is an issue that has been debated many times without results, we should ask
why, after all this discussion and debate, have no conclusions been reached to enhance or reform the office of the Vice Presidency.  Therein may lie some answers to this conundrum.   As I believe you were at one time a participant in these discussions, reforming the Vice Presidency, perhaps you could give your analysis as to why these discussions ended in failure and seemed to have hit a roadblock.

I don't know that the Vice Presidency needs reforming so much as being enhanced. 

Myself, I believe the Vice President must be a critical and fully functioning member of the administration, and a participant in decision making.

The Vice President could be assigned by the President to head up task forces for the purpose of determining the scope and impact of legislation the President wishes to introduce for debate and vote by the Senate before it is introduced.  This would be of considerable assistance to the President.

The Vice President could propose bills of his or her own to the President that he or she would like to see enacted.



Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: CatoMinor on September 10, 2011, 06:46:40 PM
An idea I think would be interesting for the vice presidency that I have been thinking about lately **That apparently Kal thought of first**  is having the office elected separate from the Presidential race, and allow the VP to introduce legislation.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 10, 2011, 08:49:16 PM
An idea I think would be interesting for the vice presidency that I have been thinking about lately is having the office elected separate from the Presidential race, and allow the VP to introduce legislation.

That is one of the qualities I like, among many others, about Senator Jbrase as my running mate.  He is an innovative, original, and independent thinker, qualities in a Vice President that would be of great benefit to all of Atlasia.   


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on September 11, 2011, 11:27:59 AM
An idea I think would be interesting for the vice presidency that I have been thinking about lately is having the office elected separate from the Presidential race

You're stealing my ideas >:(


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: CatoMinor on September 11, 2011, 12:00:22 PM
An idea I think would be interesting for the vice presidency that I have been thinking about lately is having the office elected separate from the Presidential race

You're stealing my ideas >:(
My bad, I was unaware. I shall fix the post then.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 11, 2011, 04:27:08 PM
An idea I think would be interesting for the vice presidency that I have been thinking about lately is having the office elected separate from the Presidential race

You're stealing my ideas >:(

I've noticed a lot of confusion over election law during the last presidential election. Including among SoFA Earl and DSoFA Inks.

We vote for tickets here. Not individuals. Tickets declare to run for election, too. Not individuals.

now... thing I've been thinking about...
rather than get SoFAs to obey the law again... how about we change the law? Hold a vote for President and a vote for Vice President? Isn't that friendlier to the voter, too?

The issue was discussed once before in Atlasia, years ago. Then it went away as completely as the secret ballot idea.
If I wrote up a Constitutional Amendment to elect President and Vice President separately in the future, is there a chance it would pass?

Kalwejt, did you give Trondheim the idea back in 2008 to hold separate elections for President and Vice President?  He was using this idea almost three years ago.

Trondheim also states this issue was discussed once before in Atlasia, years ago, evidently meaning years before 2008.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on September 11, 2011, 04:41:11 PM
Kalwejt, did you give Trondheim the idea back in 2008 to hold separate elections for President and Vice President?  He was using this idea almost three years ago.

Trondheim also states this issue was discussed once before in Atlasia, years ago, evidently meaning years before 2008.

Obviously, I was around in 2008 :P

I'm impressed by time you took to dig an ancient post from almost three years ago.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 11, 2011, 04:46:09 PM
Kalwejt, did you give Trondheim the idea back in 2008 to hold separate elections for President and Vice President?  He was using this idea almost three years ago.

Trondheim also states this issue was discussed once before in Atlasia, years ago, evidently meaning years before 2008.

Obviously, I was around in 2008 :P

I'm impressed by time you took to dig an ancient post from almost three years ago.

You were around in 2008, but that was not the question.  The question is, did you give Trondheim this idea in 2008?

I am simply asking a question.  Please do not get offended.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on September 11, 2011, 05:11:12 PM
Lots of people have independently come up with the idea of electing Pres and VP separately.
Jbrase is the first one I recall to propose letting the VP introduce legislation.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on September 11, 2011, 05:19:09 PM

Um, no

Quote
Date Registered:   July 02, 2009, 05:50:57 pm


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on September 11, 2011, 05:20:44 PM
Lots of people have independently come up with the idea of electing Pres and VP separately.
Jbrase is the first one I recall to propose letting the VP introduce legislation.

That's because all those bastards can somehow read my mind for years ;)


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 11, 2011, 05:29:36 PM

So to bring this matter to a conclusion, the answer to my question if you gave Trondheim the idea in 2008 that the President and Vice President should be elected separtely, is no.

Unless, of course, Trondheim read your mind in 2008, and I am not ruling out that possibility.  :)


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on September 11, 2011, 06:14:48 PM

So to bring this matter to a conclusion, the answer to my question if you gave Trondheim the idea in 2008 that the President and Vice President should be elected separtely, is no.

Unless, of course, Trondheim read your mind in 2008, and I am not ruling out that possibility.  :)

I thing to said he couldn't read my mind would be understatement of his skills :)


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 14, 2011, 08:17:39 PM
Please feel free to ask questions in this thread regarding the Presidential race.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on September 14, 2011, 08:29:57 PM
Winfield,

Should the Senate remain in it's present form (5 at-large Senator and 5 elected by regions), or either all should be elected at-large or regionally?


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 14, 2011, 09:25:25 PM
I would like to address some social policy issues.

I stand behind the Atlasian National Healthcare Act.  I would like to ensure, however, that no Atlasians fall between the cracks.

Health care expenditures must be monitored carefully and brought into line to ensure that taxpayers are not getting gouged and ripped off by unscrupulous providers of goods and services to the health care industry.

I would like to look into a program that would provide for affordable daycare, not only for pre schoolers, but for school age children, say up to age twelve or thirteen, which I will call after school programs.  I would like to see so called latchkey kids have a healthy environment they can go to after school until their parents return home, so they do not have to go to an empty house and be alone.

Daycare for preschoolers should be educational and safe.  Daycares must be certified and meet standards so as to ensure that the most vulnerable in our society, young children, are safe and treated as young children should be.

After school programs for young people, for children say between the ages of six and twelve or thirteen, should be a place where these children can go after school until their parents or parent return home.  These programs could provide recreational activities for these young people, and an after school snack.

I would like to look into a seniors care program for those seniors who require one and cannot afford one, or are not being cared for by family members.  Seniors care facilities will have to meet stringent standards in order to ensure that these seniors are treated with respect and dignity and that their care meets necessary standards.  Seniors care facilities must not be permitted to take every last cent these seniors have.  


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 14, 2011, 10:50:01 PM
Winfield,

Should the Senate remain in it's present form (5 at-large Senator and 5 elected by regions), or either all should be elected at-large or regionally?

Kalwejt

Thank you.  That is a very good question.  It goes directly to the subject of game reform and of keeping the game interesting. 

Personally, I like the general idea, overall, of having regional Senators and at-large Senators serving in the Atlasian Senate.  I do not see any harm in having this mix.  All Senators, after all, should have the best interests of Atlasia at heart. 

Presumably, the regional Senators will take the requests of their particular constituents to the floor of the Senate if someone from their region would like to see a particular bill debated and voted on.  Having regional Senators, I believe, simplifies the process somewhat, as members of a particular region have a Senator who they know they can go to for matters of concern to them, and that can be dealt with in the Senate.

I am also of the belief that with a group of independently thinking individuals in the Senate, whether at-large Senators or regional Senators, or a combination thereof, you are going to have lively and spirited differences of opinion and, at times, a certain amount of contention, one with another, although, my hope is that this can be kept to a minimum, and, at the end of the day, that all will be working for what they believe is right for Atlasia.

Having said that, I do realize that there have been various proposals put forward for Senate reform, and I would certainly be willing to entertain any proposal that comes across my desk.  I am not averse to change when I believe it is for the better.

Thank you for that very good question, and I trust my answer has been of some help.   


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 22, 2011, 12:55:34 AM
As President, I will introduce a full employment strategy, the aim of which will be to create an economic environment in which Atlasians from all backgrounds will be able to thrive and prosper.  Meaningful employment provides individuals with a sense of self worth and with the ability to realize their goals and their potential.

The right to employment will foster an environment in which the economic rights of all citizens are respected.

Technological advances over the past 20 years has changed the face of employment in the world and in Atlasia.  Therefore, starting at the earliest levels, our education system must ensure that our children learn and are taught to become capable of coping in a technologically advanced society.  This is part of the full employment strategy, going into the next generation.

Technology is advancing rapidly, and as President, I intend that some of the brightest minds in Atlasia will identify emerging technologies in order to prepare a new generation of Atlasians will be prepared in these fields.  These new technologies will be providing millions of new jobs in the future, and I intend that Atlasians will be prepared.

A shortage of skilled workers in the trades is an ongoing problem.  As President, I will create and expand programs to ensure that Atlasia has adequate skilled and trained workers in the trades, i.e. plumbers, electrctians, carpenters, mechanics, masons, builders, etc.  Skilled workers in the trades will always be required and an effective training program will work towards ensuring that skilled workers in these fields will be available.

Small and medium sized businesses are the greatest job creators.  As President, I will work to create an environment in which these business can grow and thrive, thereby growing these organizations, enabling them to expand, prosper, and hire new employees.  I will institute programs which will provide comprehensive training and strategies for those wishing and intending to establish small businesses, in order to minimize their chances of failure.

The education and training of the individual is key to these full employment strategies.  Therefore, my education and training programs will be built around ensuring that our children and youth receive the best education and training possible in order that they will be prepared to thrive in a fast paced and ever changing world.   



Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on September 22, 2011, 06:45:29 AM
As much as I love Duke, you're conducting a very active and concrete campaign, when he's yet to select his running-mate.

2nd preference.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on September 22, 2011, 11:08:35 AM
Atlasia is such a confusing place sometimes, but I'm not surprised I lost you, Kal. Still disappointed though that you didn't give the election season time to play out. :(


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on September 22, 2011, 01:52:04 PM
Duke, I'm sorry, but Winfield displayed so far a genuine desire to be elected and serve as President, and in my eyes that counts a lot.

And I really hate to make choices like this, when people I like and respect are running.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on September 22, 2011, 06:31:04 PM
I get it, Kal. No need to explain or apologize. I will say, in my defense, I had been answering questions all through last week. No one asked me anything for a while, so I think it is a bit unfair to blame me. My office is always open. But I see what you mean even though I couldn't disagree more.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 22, 2011, 07:46:36 PM
As much as I love Duke, you're conducting a very active and concrete campaign, when he's yet to select his running-mate.

2nd preference.

Thank you Kalwejt.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 22, 2011, 10:24:36 PM
Further to my pledge to implement a full employment strategy for Atlasia, and to bring about educational reforms to ensure our students are prepared to face an ever advancing and an ever changing world, at this time I wish to discuss an important matter related to the educational aspect of this proposal, school safety.

Our schools must be as safe and as sceure as possible in order to ensure that our students are free to pursue their education and school activities without fear of violence, intimidation, or bullying.  While I fully recognize that violence in schools will never be completely eliminated, at the same time, school violence can be minimized by taking common sense steps to achieve this goal.

Behaviors such as bullying and hitting often start at a young age and may continue into young adulthood. Youth violence can often lead to serious injury or death.

Any amount of violence is unacceptable. Parents, teachers, and administrators expect schools to be safe havens of learning. Acts of violence can disrupt the learning process and have a negative effect on students, the school itself, and the broader community.

Sexual violence begins early in life.  Most victims do not tell friends and family about the abuse and suffer alone. Those who do disclose the violence may be stigmatized by friends, family, and their community.

Suicide is a serious public health problem that affects even young people. For youth and young adults between the ages of 10 and 24, suicide is the third leading cause of death. It results in approximately 4,300 lives lost each year.

As President, I shall be implementing an extensive training, information, and awareness program for administrators, teachers and students alike, conducted by experts in these various fields, discussing the above issues, and the best ways to avoid them.

I shall be establishing school health guidelines, designed to prevent unintentional injuries and violence. Guidelines promote safety and teach students the skills needed to prevent injuries and violence. They will be designed for all grade levels and provide support for a coordinated school health program, and will be implemented by experts in this field.

I shall also be establishing a school health index, which is a self-assessment and planning tool that enables schools to identify strengths and weaknesses of health and safety policies and programs, develops an action plan for improving student health and safety, and involves teachers, parents, students, and the community in improving school services.

Each year, emergency departments treat more than 200,000 children ages 14 and younger for playground-related injuries. I shall be implementing an extensive program about playground risks, and how to avoid severe injuries associated with playgrounds.
 
A child can take a spill, knock his or her head, and get a concussion in any number of school settings ranging from the hallway, the playground, the cafeteria, and beyond.  As President, I shall implement a program, developed for professionals working with grades K-12, to help principals, school nurses, teachers or other school professionals identify and respond to concussions in an array of school settings.

Where necessary or where felt required, schools shall have the authority to implement a lock down procedure to more adequately ensure student and faculty safety.  Schools shall as well have the authority to implement a procedure where students must pass through a detector on their way into school to detect any weapons they may be carrying, which shall be confiscated.   


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: CatoMinor on September 22, 2011, 11:05:33 PM
Sorry I haven't been very active lately, been really busy on campus.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 23, 2011, 08:07:40 PM
I would like to have the federal government work with the regional governments to examine in depth the advantages of implementing a policy of having school uniforms for K-12.

Outlined below are some of the major benefits of school uniforms.  I believe that school uniforms will have a tremendous benefit for students in Atlasia for the reasons following.

Local school boards and schools will have the authority to choose their own school uniforms, within specified perameters.      

The benefits of school uniforms have been argued for years. The benefits outlined below are the main points raised in surveys when asking what the benefits of school uniforms are.

School uniforms promote unity and community in a school. By being easily identifiable, students can be accountable for their actions in and out of school hours. Usually students will remain better behaved when they are in school uniform.Another benefits of school uniforms is that parents are not pressured to constantly hand over money to their children for the latest and greatest brands of clothing, which as we all know are more often than not ridiculously priced compared to the average cost of school uniforms.

More benefits of school uniforms including government financial support for parents who may struggle with the cost of school uniforms. Governments are not going to reimburse parents for cost of non-school uniform clothing.

School uniforms make a safer school environment, there is no doubt about that. This is possibly the major one of the benefits of school uniforms. Students are not under threat of having their expensive shoes and clothes stolen on the way to and from school. Also students cannot congregate into "gang colors" which often happens in schools where there are no uniforms.

Another one of the benefits of school uniforms is easily spotting a member of the public who may illegally wander on to the school grounds, possibly endangering students. Uniformed students will easily make strangers stand out.

Benefits of school uniforms include students concentrating more on school work and not on what they are wearing. Students of teenage years are in their most influential years and will go to great lengths to impress their friends with the latest brands of clothing. Having a uniform eliminates this behavior at school and allows students to focus on their work, not on their fashion.

Many studies have shown that students with high self esteem perform better in school by eliminating a reason to feel self-conscious, uniforms can help improve children's self-confidence and may lead to greater class participation which is only a good thing.

The benefits of school uniforms outweigh the negatives by a long margin. It can be plainly seen that students perform better when a uniform policy is present.

All school uniforms would be age appropriate.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on September 23, 2011, 08:11:58 PM
Governor Winfield,

What are your thoughts on the secession of Georgia from Atlasia?


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 23, 2011, 08:33:32 PM
Governor Winfield,

What are your thoughts on the secession of Georgia from Atlasia?

First of all, show me the legislation or constitutional authority granting Georgia, or any other state in the Imperial Dominion of the South, to legally secede from the region and or from Atlasia.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Yelnoc on September 23, 2011, 08:39:12 PM
Governor Winfield,

What are your thoughts on the secession of Georgia from Atlasia?

First of all, show me the legislation or constitutional authority granting Georgia, or any other state in the Imperial Dominion of the South, to legally secede from the region and or from Atlasia.
Force of Arms.  Specifically, there's nothing you or anyone else can do about it. :)


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 23, 2011, 09:02:43 PM
Governor Winfield,

What are your thoughts on the secession of Georgia from Atlasia?

First of all, show me the legislation or constitutional authority granting Georgia, or any other state in the Imperial Dominion of the South, to legally secede from the region and or from Atlasia.
Force of Arms.  Specifically, there's nothing you or anyone else can do about it. :)

So what you are saying, in reality, is that Georgia, nor any other other state in the Imperial Dominion of the South, has any authority, constitutionally, or in law, to secede.

The secession of Georgia, therefore, is not recognized, and in actuality, does not therefore exist.

You brought up the force of arms issue, therefore, one can only assume that the government of the Imperial Dominion of the South has the option of using force of arms to maintain the unity of the region, should they decide to do so.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Yelnoc on September 23, 2011, 09:03:42 PM
Governor Winfield,

What are your thoughts on the secession of Georgia from Atlasia?

First of all, show me the legislation or constitutional authority granting Georgia, or any other state in the Imperial Dominion of the South, to legally secede from the region and or from Atlasia.
Force of Arms.  Specifically, there's nothing you or anyone else can do about it. :)

So what you are saying, in reality, is that Georgia, nor any other other state in the Imperial Dominion of the South, has any authority, constitutionally, or in law, to secede.

The secession of Georgia, therefore, is not recognized, and in actuality, does not therefore exist.

You brought up the force of arms issue, therefore, one can only assume that the government of the Imperial Dominion of the South has the option of using force of arms to maintain the unity of the region, should they decide to do so.
My point is that the only "laws" enforceable on the forum are Dave's.  Lighten up ;)


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 23, 2011, 09:12:53 PM
Governor Winfield,

What are your thoughts on the secession of Georgia from Atlasia?

First of all, show me the legislation or constitutional authority granting Georgia, or any other state in the Imperial Dominion of the South, to legally secede from the region and or from Atlasia.
Force of Arms.  Specifically, there's nothing you or anyone else can do about it. :)

So what you are saying, in reality, is that Georgia, nor any other other state in the Imperial Dominion of the South, has any authority, constitutionally, or in law, to secede.

The secession of Georgia, therefore, is not recognized, and in actuality, does not therefore exist.

You brought up the force of arms issue, therefore, one can only assume that the government of the Imperial Dominion of the South has the option of using force of arms to maintain the unity of the region, should they decide to do so.
My point is that the only "laws" enforceable on the forum are Dave's.  Lighten up ;)

I was simply responding to the inquiry, using reason and logic.  Nothing personal.  :)


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 23, 2011, 09:19:04 PM
As President, I will work for instituting a policy of school uniforms throughout Atlasia for all grades K-12.  Outlined below are some of the major benefits of school uniforms.  I believe that school uniforms will have a tremendous benefit for students in Atlasia for the reasons following.

Local school boards and schools will have the authority to choose their own school uniforms, within specified perameters.       

The benefits of school uniforms have been argued for years. The benefits outlined below are the main points raised in surveys when asking what the benefits of school uniforms are.

School uniforms promote unity and community in a school. By being easily identifiable, students can be accountable for their actions in and out of school hours. Usually students will remain better behaved when they are in school uniform.Another benefits of school uniforms is that parents are not pressured to constantly hand over money to their children for the latest and greatest brands of clothing, which as we all know are more often than not ridiculously priced compared to the average cost of school uniforms.

More benefits of school uniforms including government financial support for parents who may struggle with the cost of school uniforms. Governments are not going to reimburse parents for cost of non-school uniform clothing.

School uniforms make a safer school environment; there is no doubt about that. This is possibly the major one of the benefits of school uniforms. Students are not under threat of having their expensive shoes and clothes stolen on the way to and from school. Also students cannot congregate into "gang colors" which often happens in schools where there are no uniforms.

Another one of the benefits of school uniforms is easily spotting a member of the public who may illegally wander on to the school grounds, possibly endangering students. Uniformed students will easily make strangers stand out.

Benefits of school uniforms include students concentrating more on school work and not on what they are wearing. Students of teenage years are in their most influential years and will go to great lengths to impress their friends with the latest brands of clothing.Having a uniform eliminates this behavior at school and allows students to focus on their work, not on their fashion.

Many studies have shown that students with high self esteem perform better in school by eliminating a reason to feel self-conscious; uniforms can help improve children's self-confidence and may lead to greater class participation which is only a good thing.

The benefits of school uniforms outweigh the negatives by a long margin.It can be plainly seen that students perform better when a uniform policy is present.

I hope that first sentence means you won't be trying to pass this as a federal law, but will instead work to get the regions to pass this? ;)


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 23, 2011, 09:27:34 PM
As President, I will work for instituting a policy of school uniforms throughout Atlasia for all grades K-12.  Outlined below are some of the major benefits of school uniforms.  I believe that school uniforms will have a tremendous benefit for students in Atlasia for the reasons following.

Local school boards and schools will have the authority to choose their own school uniforms, within specified perameters.       

The benefits of school uniforms have been argued for years. The benefits outlined below are the main points raised in surveys when asking what the benefits of school uniforms are.

School uniforms promote unity and community in a school. By being easily identifiable, students can be accountable for their actions in and out of school hours. Usually students will remain better behaved when they are in school uniform.Another benefits of school uniforms is that parents are not pressured to constantly hand over money to their children for the latest and greatest brands of clothing, which as we all know are more often than not ridiculously priced compared to the average cost of school uniforms.

More benefits of school uniforms including government financial support for parents who may struggle with the cost of school uniforms. Governments are not going to reimburse parents for cost of non-school uniform clothing.

School uniforms make a safer school environment; there is no doubt about that. This is possibly the major one of the benefits of school uniforms. Students are not under threat of having their expensive shoes and clothes stolen on the way to and from school. Also students cannot congregate into "gang colors" which often happens in schools where there are no uniforms.

Another one of the benefits of school uniforms is easily spotting a member of the public who may illegally wander on to the school grounds, possibly endangering students. Uniformed students will easily make strangers stand out.

Benefits of school uniforms include students concentrating more on school work and not on what they are wearing. Students of teenage years are in their most influential years and will go to great lengths to impress their friends with the latest brands of clothing.Having a uniform eliminates this behavior at school and allows students to focus on their work, not on their fashion.

Many studies have shown that students with high self esteem perform better in school by eliminating a reason to feel self-conscious; uniforms can help improve children's self-confidence and may lead to greater class participation which is only a good thing.

The benefits of school uniforms outweigh the negatives by a long margin.It can be plainly seen that students perform better when a uniform policy is present.

I hope that first sentence means you won't be trying to pass this as a federal law, but will instead work to get the regions to pass this? ;)

Indeed.  That is why I did not say that as President I would present a bill to accomplish this.

By the way, what are your views on school uniforms?


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 23, 2011, 09:33:13 PM
I am still against the idea, but now that I am out of High School, I am more open to listening to the arguements in favor of it than before. :P


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on September 23, 2011, 10:29:39 PM
Don't you think this is a bit.....nannystatist? The federal government teaching kids how to play on the playground? I understand kids get hurt, but they are kids...


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Fritz on September 24, 2011, 01:49:58 PM
I WILL FIGHT FOR THE RIGHTS OF EVERY HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT IN ATLASIA TO WEAR JEANS AND T-SHIRTS TO SCHOOL!


:)


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 24, 2011, 02:16:20 PM
With regards to the recent, for lack of a better word, misunderstanding, in the Atlasian Republic, for the record, let me say that I am all for having fun in this simulation, however, there are better ways to enjoy this activity rather than threatening secession from the union.

All participants have the right to have fun in Atlasia, but it is my belief that the enjoyment  by members should be within the law, not by threatening to secede.  As we all know, in the constitution of Atlasia, the threat to secede, some would call it treason, carries with it potentially severe penalties, up to and including expulsion from Atlasia, from various lengths of time, up to and including permanently.  I do not believe that any participant wants that, and I also believe that those with the authority to do so, do not want to see participants expelled for life.  I myself would certainly not like to see this happen.

There has to be a better way for participants to enjoy this simulation, rather than secession, which, ultimatley, will not succeed.

Let us work together, and come up with some concrete solutions to this quandry that Atlasians seem to find themselves in, that is, having fun.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 24, 2011, 06:34:37 PM
As part of my proposed economic reforms, in addition to my full employment strategy, as President, I will be proposing the institution of a flat tax.

I will be proposing a flat tax of 12.5%.  There will be no deductions, no loopholes in the flat tax system.  All Atlasians will contribute their share of tax, no exceptions.  If your income is $10,000.00, you pay $1,250.00.  If your income is $1,000,000.00, you pay $125,000.00.   
 
A flat tax system fundamentally differs from the progressive tax system. Tax rates are applied evenly across all income classes rather than adjusted based on income. Tax forms are simple and compact, eliminating the frustration and cost of filing income taxes.

Under a flat tax system, income is taxed once at a flat rate, encouraging people to save and invest more of their income, since their investments will not be taxed at every turn. An economy-wide increase in savings and investment can have positive spillover effects, such as a boost to the housing market, financial services industry and automobile industry.

Individuals are encouraged to work harder, earn more money and further their careers under a flat tax system, whereas a progressive tax system tends to punish people for success. This can serve to increase economy-wide spending and small business startups, providing a further boost to a range of industries and the overall tax-base.

A flat tax would lead to higher economy-wide income, resulting in an increase in the overall tax-base. Tax evasion and avoidance would become less profitable, decreasing the number of people who do not pay their taxes, and it would no longer be possible to manipulate the deductions in the tax code to completely negate the tax burden of high-income individuals.

The flat tax will replace the current tax code with a flat-rate income tax that treats all equally. All income is taxed only once and at one rate. There are no breaks for special interests and no loopholes for powerful lobbies, just a simple tax system that treats everyone the same.

All deductions and credits would be eliminated.

Every Atlasian will benefit under a flat tax system.




Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 24, 2011, 08:31:48 PM
I have previously addressed the issue of tax reform regarding personal taxes with my proposal of a 12.5% flat tax.

I will now address the issue of tax reform regarding corporate tax. 

As President, I will be proposing a single corporate tax rate of 24%.

Corporations, some earning billions of dollars in profits annually, must pay their fair share of  tax. 
 
My bill would end special tax breaks favoring any particular business sector and  would not  allow companies to defer taxes on income earned abroad. The exception would be small businesses — roughly defined as outfits earning less than $1 million annually — which would be allowed to expense all equipment bought in a given year.

My corporate tax reform proposals will result in actual job creation.

I expect this tax reform will add 2 million jobs and pump more than $500 billion into the economy by 2015.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 25, 2011, 12:48:23 PM
As President, I will propose the following energy policy.

If we create the right kind of system, we can not only get off the fossil-fuels roller coaster, but speed the transition to a clean energy economy that puts the interests of people before interests of polluters.

My goal is to cut carbon dioxide emissions 80 percent below 1990 levels by 2050. This will be accomplished through a cap-and-trade system that would auction off 100 percent of emissions permits, making polluters pay for the CO2 they emit.

I intend to channel revenue raised from auctioning emissions permits,  between $30 billion and $50 billion a year, toward developing and deploying clean energy technology, creating "green jobs." 

25 percent of electricity is to come from renewable sources by 2025, and 30 percent of the federal government's electricity is to come from renewables by 2020.

I will propose investing $150 billion over 10 years in R&D for renewables, biofuels, efficiency, clean coal, and other clean tech.

This plan is designed to achieve the following results:

-Improving energy efficiency 50 percent by 2030.

-36 billion gallons of biofuels to be used each year by 2022 and 60 billion gallons of biofuels to be used each year by 2030.

-All new buildings to be carbon neutral by 2030.

-Reduce oil consumption by at least 35 percent, or 10 million barrels a day, by 2030.

-Get 1 Million Plug-In Hybrid Cars on the Road by 2015.
 
-Create a new $7,000 tax credit for purchasing advanced vehicles.

-Weatherize one million homes annually.

-Increase fuel economy standards.

-Crack down on excessive energy speculation.

-Develop and deploy clean coal technology.

I will be working toward less oil dependancy from the middle east and Venezuela, markets which will become more and more volatile in the coming years.  I propose to increase our oil imports from Canada, a more dependable supplier.

Off shore drilling will only be permitted once it has been established that adequate controls are in place to ensure no oil spills will occur.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 26, 2011, 10:48:51 PM
As President, I shall be encouraging Atlasians from all across the nation to institute in their lives and in their homes, to the greatest extent possible, the following green solutions, so that all Atlasians can participate in the battle against global warming.

1. Replace a regular incandescent light bulb with a compact fluorescent light bulb
(cfl)
CFLs use 60% less energy than a regular bulb. This simple switch will save about 300
pounds of carbon dioxide a year.

2. Install a programmable thermostat
Programmable thermostats will automatically lower the heat or air conditioning at
night and raise them again in the morning. They can save you $100 a year on your
energy bill.

3. Move your thermostat down 2° in winter and up 2° in summer
Almost half of the energy we use in our homes goes to heating and cooling. You
could save about 2,000 pounds of carbon dioxide a year with this simple
adjustment.

4. Clean or replace filters on your furnace and air conditioner
Cleaning a dirty air filter can save 350 pounds of carbon dioxide a year.

5. Choose energy efficient appliances when making new purchases
Look for the Energy Star label on new appliances to choose the most energy
efficient products available.

6. Do not leave appliances on standby
Use the "on/off" function on the machine itself. A TV set that's switched on for 3
hours a day (the average time Europeans spend watching TV) and in standby
mode during the remaining 21 hours uses about 40% of its energy in standby mode.

7. Wrap your water heater in an insulation blanket
You’ll save 1,000 pounds of carbon dioxide a year with this simple action. You can
save another 550 pounds per year by setting the thermostat no higher than 50°C.

8. Move your fridge and freezer
Placing them next to the cooker or boiler consumes much more energy than if they
were standing on their own. For example, if you put them in a hot cellar room
where the room temperature is 30-35ºC, energy use is almost double and causes an
extra 160kg of CO2 emissions for fridges per year and 320kg for freezers.

9. Defrost old fridges and freezers regularly
Even better is to replace them with newer models, which all have automatic
defrost cycles and are generally up to two times more energy-efficient than their
predecessors.

10. Don't let heat escape from your house over a long period
When airing your house, open the windows for only a few minutes. If you leave a
small opening all day long, the energy needed to keep it warm inside during six
cold months (10ºC or less outside temperature) would result in almost 1 ton of CO2
emissions.

11. Replace your old single-glazed windows with double-glazing
This requires a bit of upfront investment, but will halve the energy lost through
windows and pay off in the long term. If you go for the best the market has to offer
(wooden-framed double-glazed units with low-emission glass and filled with argon
gas), you can even save more than 70% of the energy lost.

12. Get a home energy audit
Many utilities offer free home energy audits to find where your home is poorly
insulated or energy inefficient. You can save up to 30% off your energy bill and
1,000 pounds of carbon dioxide a year. Energy Star can help you find an energy
specialist.

13. Cover your pots while cooking
Doing so can save a lot of the energy needed for preparing the dish. Even better
are pressure cookers and steamers: they can save around 70%!

14. Use the washing machine or dishwasher only when they are full
If you need to use it when it is half full, then use the half-load or economy setting.
There is also no need to set the temperatures high. Nowadays detergents are so
efficient that they get your clothes and dishes clean at low temperatures.

15. Take a shower instead of a bath
A shower takes up to four times less energy than a bath. To maximise the energy
saving, avoid power showers and use low-flow showerheads, which are cheap and
provide the same comfort.

16. Use less hot water
It takes a lot of energy to heat water. You can use less hot water by installing a low
flow showerhead (350 pounds of carbon dioxide saved per year) and washing your
clothes in cold or warm water (500 pounds saved per year) instead of hot.

17. Use a clothesline instead of a dryer whenever possible
You can save 700 pounds of carbon dioxide when you air dry your clothes for 6
months out of the year.

18. Insulate and weatherize your home
Properly insulating your walls and ceilings can save 25% of your home heating bill
and 2,000 pounds of carbon dioxide a year. Caulking and weather-stripping can
save another 1,700 pounds per year. Energy Efficient has more information on how
to better insulate your home.

19. Be sure you’re recycling at home
You can save 2,400 pounds of carbon dioxide a year by recycling half of the waste
your household generates.

20. Recycle your organic waste
Around 3% of the greenhouse gas emissions through the methane is released by
decomposing bio-degradable waste. By recycling organic waste or composting it if
you have a garden, you can help eliminate this problem! Just make sure that you
compost it properly, so it decomposes with sufficient oxygen, otherwise your
compost will cause methane emissions and smell foul.

21. Buy intelligently
One bottle of 1.5l requires less energy and produces less waste than three bottles of
0.5l. As well, buy recycled paper products: it takes less 70 to 90% less energy to
make recycled paper and it prevents the loss of forests worldwide.

22. Choose products that come with little packaging and buy refills when you can
You will also cut down on waste production and energy use... another help against
global warming.

23. Reuse your shopping bag
When shopping, it saves energy and waste to use a reusable bag instead of
accepting a disposable one in each shop. Waste not only discharges CO2 and
methane into the atmosphere, it can also pollute the air, groundwater and soil.

24. Reduce waste
Most products we buy cause greenhouse gas emissions in one or another way, e.g.
during production and distribution. By taking your lunch in a reusable lunch box
instead of a disposable one, you save the energy needed to produce new lunch
boxes.

25. Plant a tree
A single tree will absorb one ton of carbon dioxide over its lifetime. Shade provided
by trees can also reduce your air conditioning bill by 10 to 15%. The Arbor Day
Foundation has information on planting and provides trees you can plant with
membership.



Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........because someone has to defend democracy
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 26, 2011, 10:52:03 PM
26. Switch to green power
In many areas, you can switch to energy generated by clean, renewable sources
such as wind and solar. In some of these, you can even get refunds by government
if you choose to switch to a clean energy producer, and you can also earn money
by selling the energy you produce and don't use for yourself.

27. Buy locally grown and produced foods
The average meal in the United States travels 1,200 miles from the farm to your
plate. Buying locally will save fuel and keep money in your community.

28. Buy fresh foods instead of frozen
Frozen food uses 10 times more energy to produce.

29. Seek out and support local farmers markets
They reduce the amount of energy required to grow and transport the food to you
by one fifth. Seek farmer’s markets in your area, and go for them.

30. Buy organic foods as much as possible
Organic soils capture and store carbon dioxide at much higher levels than soils
from conventional farms. If we grew all of our corn and soybeans organically, we’d
remove 580 billion pounds of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.

31. Eat less meat
Methane is the second most significant greenhouse gas and cows are one of the
greatest methane emitters. Their grassy diet and multiple stomachs cause them to
produce methane, which they exhale with every breath.

32. Reduce the number of miles you drive by walking, biking, carpooling or taking
mass transit wherever possible
Avoiding just 10 miles of driving every week would eliminate about 500 pounds of
carbon dioxide emissions a year! Look for transit options in your area.

33. Start a carpool with your coworkers or classmates
Sharing a ride with someone just 2 days a week will reduce your carbon dioxide
emissions by 1,590 pounds a year. eRideShare.com runs a free service connecting
north american commuters and travelers.

34. Don't leave an empty roof rack on your car
This can increase fuel consumption and CO2 emissions by up to 10% due to wind
resistance and the extra weight - removing it is a better idea.

35. Keep your car tuned up
Regular maintenance helps improve fuel efficiency and reduces emissions. When
just 1% of car owners properly maintain their cars, nearly a billion pounds of carbon
dioxide are kept out of the atmosphere.

36. Drive carefully and do not waste fuel
You can reduce CO2 emissions by readjusting your driving style. Choose proper
gears, do not abuse the gas pedal, use the engine brake instead of the pedal
brake when possible and turn off your engine when your vehicle is motionless for
more than one minute. By readjusting your driving style you can save money on
both fuel and car mantainance.

37. Check your tires weekly to make sure they’re properly inflated
Proper tire inflation can improve gas mileage by more than 3%. Since every gallon
of gasoline saved keeps 20 pounds of carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere, every
increase in fuel efficiency makes a difference.

38. When it is time for a new car, choose a more fuel efficient vehicle
You can save 3,000 pounds of carbon dioxide every year if your new car gets only 3
miles per gallon more than your current one. You can get up to 60 miles per gallon
with a hybrid! You can find information on fuel efficiency on FuelEconomy and on
GreenCars websites.

39. Try car sharing
Need a car but don’t want to buy one? Community car sharing organizations
provide access to a car and your membership fee covers gas, maintenance and
insurance. Many companies – such as Flexcar - offer low emission or hybrid cars too.

40. Try telecommuting from home
Telecommuting can help you drastically reduce the number of miles you drive
every week. For more information, check out the Telework Coalition.

41. Fly less
Air travel produces large amounts of emissions so reducing how much you fly by
even one or two trips a year can reduce your emissions significantly. You can also
offset your air travel carbon emissions by investingin renewable energy projects.

42. Encourage your school or business to reduce emissions
You can extend your positive influence on global warming well beyond your home
by actively encouraging other to take action.

43. Join the virtual march
The Stop Global Warming Virtual March is a non-political effort to bring people
concerned about global warming together in one place. Add your voice to the
hundreds of thousands of other people urging action on this issue.

44. Encourage the switch to renewable energy
Successfully combating global warming requires a national transition to renewable
energy sources such as solar, wind and biomass. These technologies are ready to
be deployed more widely but there are regulatory barriers impeding them. U.S.
citizens, take action to break down those barriers with Vote Solar.

45. Protect and conserve forest worldwide
Forests play a critial role in global warming: they store carbon. When forests are
burned or cut down, their stored carbon is release into the atmosphere -
deforestation now accounts for about 20% of carbon dioxide emissions each year.
Conservation International has more information on saving forests from global
warming.

46. Consider the impact of your investments
If you invest your money, you should consider the impact that your investments and
savings will have on global warming. Check out SocialInvest and Ceres to can learn
more about how to ensure your money is being invested in companies, products
and projects that address issues related to climate change.

47. Make your city cool
Cities and states around the country have taken action to stop global warming by
passing innovative transportation and energy saving legislation. If you're in the U.S.,
join the cool cities list.

48. Tell the Government to act on global warming.

49. Make sure your voice is heard!
Atlasians must have a stronger commitment from their government in order to
stop global warming and implement solutions.



Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........Atlasians combat global warming
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on September 26, 2011, 11:21:17 PM
There's so much good stuff here... too bad there's a flat-tax in there, you almost had me.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........Atlasians combat global warming
Post by: bgwah on September 26, 2011, 11:28:04 PM
Surely there are ten more points? :)


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........Atlasians combat global warming
Post by: Mechaman on September 26, 2011, 11:30:22 PM
Combat "global warming"?  I thought everybody and their grandmother decided it was now "climate change"!

Besides entertaining a myth, the list is pretty good.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........Atlasians combat global warming
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on September 26, 2011, 11:33:55 PM
Combat "global warming"?  I thought everybody and their grandmother decided it was now "climate change"!

Besides entertaining a myth, the list is pretty good.

Sigh... but yes, climate change is what it should be referred to, because that its WHAT IT IS :P


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........Atlasians combat global warming
Post by: Mechaman on September 26, 2011, 11:44:55 PM
Combat "global warming"?  I thought everybody and their grandmother decided it was now "climate change"!

Besides entertaining a myth, the list is pretty good.

Sigh... but yes, climate change is what it should be referred to, because that its WHAT IT IS :P

That was mostly the point I was making.
Although it should be pointed out that this year's weather patterns were shockingly similar to 1936.  Massive hick killing tornadoes and record breaking heat waves all. ;)
My argument isn't "oh look the climate never changes!!!!" Far from it, the climate does change.  IT CHANGES A LOT MORE THAN PEOPLE GIVE IT CREDIT FOR.  Whether it's man made or not I don't give a sh*t.  But it happens.

I look at this list and I like it.  I believe it is a great list for people to reduce energy costs and conserve energy.  What I don't believe is that following this list will prevent "end times" like scenarios.  That is inevitable.
Something a lot of people are just going to accept is that you can't combat climate change.  It's going to happen whether we like it or not.  Not smoking cigarettes isn't going to make the climate any more stable than smoking 3 packs a day.  Riding a bike (which I frankly have no idea how to) instead of driving a Hummer to work isn't going to stop your city from having one summer where the temperature is above 100 degrees Farenheit for a month straight.

Whether or not climate change ends up killing us is something that can't be stopped.  Frankly I love the extreme winters Oklahoma has been having for the past few years.  However, my biggest gripe about this whole "climate change" conscientious craze isn't that "OMG the climate is changing we're going to die" (because to give some people credit something like a supervolcanic eruption in Wyoming COULD KILL US ALL) but this whole idea that through feel good marketing and buying products that say "GREEN" on them we are preventing the inevitable.  Hell, let's hope that climate change ends up killing us instead of global thermonuclear war.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........Atlasians combat global warming
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on September 27, 2011, 12:05:25 AM
Where'd these points come from??


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........Atlasians combat global warming
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 27, 2011, 01:07:30 AM
Surely there are ten more points? :)

Well atleast he has more then "nein nein nein" ;D


I just pissed off a bunch of a Cain fans by saying that.

Edit: But considering he has said "people need to learn how to take a joke", maybe not. ;)


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........Atlasians combat global warming
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on September 27, 2011, 05:30:38 PM
Ah, the 50 things you can do to stop global warming. I remember seeing those posted on bulletin boards on campus last year. 


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........Atlasians combat global warming
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 27, 2011, 07:02:01 PM

From an internet search for Solutions to global warming.



Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia...Protecting Atlasians interests internationally
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 27, 2011, 11:45:15 PM
The Winfield/Jbrase administration will do a study of Atlasia's military bases around the world, in order to determine which bases are to be closed.  Providing the security of Atlasia and Atlasians is not compromised, those particular bases that can be closed will be closed and the troops brought home or deployed elsehwhere where they may be needed more.

As President, I will ensure that our military is always prepared to defend the intrests and security of Atlasia, and that the military has the tools to do the job.

The emerging economies of China, India, Brazil, and Mexico warrant particular attention.  As President, I will cultivate our relationships with these nations from an economic and political standpoint, and will work with the leaders of these nations in order to ensure strong ties resulting in positive economic benefits to Atlasia.  I will work to increase Atlasian goods, services, and technology moving from Atlasia to these nations, in particular China, in order to achieve a more favorable balance of trade for Atlasian interests.




Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........We will institute a CODE OF ETHICS
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 29, 2011, 09:28:57 PM
A Winfield/Jbrase administration will institute a code of ethics for all members of the Atlasian government.  Under a Winfield/Jbrase administration, we will expect the highest standards of ethics to be adhered to by all elected and appointed officials in the Atlasian government.

Code of Ethics for Government Service

ANY PERSON IN GOVERNMENT SERVICE SHOULD:

1.  Put loyalty to the highest moral principles above loyalty to persons, party, or Government department.

2.  Uphold the Constitution, laws, and legal regulations of the Republic of Atlasia and of all governments therein and never be a party to their evasion.

3.  Give a full day's labor for a full day's pay; giving to the performance of his or her duties his or her earnest effort and best thought.

4.  Seek to find and employ more efficient and economical ways of getting tasks accomplished.

5.  Never discriminate unfairly by the dispensing of special favors or privileges to anyone, whether for remuneration or not; and never accept, for himself or his family, favors or benefits under circumstances which might be construed by reasonable persons as influencing the performance of his or her governmental duties.

6.  Make no private promises of any kind binding upon the duties of office, since the Government employee has no private word which can be binding on public duty.

7.  Engage in no business with the Government, either directly or indirectly, which is inconsistent with the conscientious performance of his or her governmental duties.

8.  Never use any information coming to him or her confidentially in the performance of governmental duties as a means for making private profit.

9.  Expose corruption wherever discovered.

10. Uphold these principles, ever conscious that public office is a public trust.



Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........We will institute a CODE OF ETHICS
Post by: Cincinnatus on September 29, 2011, 09:34:31 PM
I commend you on this code.  Though you're platform is far off from my views in certain areas, you certainly have a sense of morality and character that is required in a President.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........We will institute a CODE OF ETHICS
Post by: Lincoln Republican on September 29, 2011, 09:37:54 PM
I commend you on this code.  Though you're platform is far off from my views in certain areas, you certainly have a sense of morality and character that is required in a President.

Thank you Cincinnatus.  Your comments are appreciated.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........SITUATION IN ATLASIA AND A REAL CHOICE
Post by: Lincoln Republican on October 02, 2011, 07:42:18 PM
There has been far too much partisan bickering and animosity in the Republic of Atlasia of late between the JCP and the RPP.

This situation is poisoning the atmosphere in the nation and in the game.

My running mate, Senator Jbrase and I, neither of us a member of either of the two warring factions, offer Atlasians a fresh start.  We are, in essence, running as an independent ticket, not beholden to any party.

We offer Atlasians the opportunity to elect a new administration, an independent administation, free from the partisan wrangling that has dominated this game lately.

Partisan loyalty is fine, to a point.  But when it begins to threaten the very existence of of this game, then it has gone too far. 

Continued partisan contention will ultimately lead to the demise of this simulation.  Members will continue to lose interest because of the situation, in fact, some very good members have already begun to leave.  I note as well that President Polnut has left the JCP to become an independent, for whatever reason.

The ticket of Winfield and Jbrase transcends partisanship and ideology, and offers Atlasia and Atlasians a real choice.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........A COMPASSIONATE SOCIETY
Post by: Lincoln Republican on October 05, 2011, 11:53:55 PM
My fellow Atlasians, even though varying viewpoints will always and must always exist, I believe it is important that our society is founded upon the principles of caring, compassion, and understanding.

As in any society, we will find in Atlasia

those who think differently  

those who talk differently

those who are powerless

those who are different

those who are suffering

those who are lonely.

I envision a nation where even though we will always have varying points of view on any number of issues and events, nevertheless a nation where there is acceptance and tolerance amongst Atlasians for the myriad of differences that will always exist.



Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION POLICY
Post by: Lincoln Republican on October 09, 2011, 07:09:26 PM
Illegal immigration is an enormous problem for Atlasia, and one that is growing.  Spotty or haphazard efforts to end illegal immigration cannot succeed.

I shall propose the following recommendations towards the enactment of an effective illegal immigration policy.

-use expeditious exclusion of fraudulent entrants at airports
-cap the number of asylum grantees
-grant authority for the Border Patrol to conduct open-field searches
-eliminate legalistic delaying tactics in immigration hearings

Incentives for illegal immigration must be eliminated.

-withhold work authorization to those with pending asylum claims
-establish a universal system for checking welfare and work eligibility

The penalties for violating immigration law must be increased

-bar from later immigration those who make frivolous asylum applications  
-make alien smuggling and document fraud into racketeering crimes
-bar reentry to any alien receiving a five-year prison sentence
-withhold funds from localities that refuse to cooperate with efforts to end illegal immigration
-hold sponsors accountable for immigrants they sponsor
-deport immigrants who become public charges

Additional measures

-widen use of pre-inspection programs abroad and frequent-traveler inspection procedures
-institute a Border Patrol canine program and highway checkpoint system
-create an interior repatriation and deportation hearings of criminal aliens by telephone

Government agencies must coordinate their efforts better and more extensively

-improve coordination between border agencies and between intelligence agencies
-limit judicial review of immigration decisions and expand judicial deportation
-speed notification to INS of jailed aliens, including certified records of conviction

A greater investment must be made in the personnel who combat illegal immigration

-increase personnel in inspections, intelligence, border patrol, and detention and deportation
-dedicate investigators to work solely on employment of illegal aliens
-expand on-going training programs for inspectors, intelligence officers, and investigators
-establish systematic performance reviews of immigration judges

Top-of-the-line equipment must be available to the enforcers of immigration law

-provide a facility for immigration classified information
-establish equipment plans for immigration intelligence, the border patrol, and investigations
-improve vehicle fleets of the border patrol, investigations
-create a centralized case database for immigration investigations

New technology must be harnessed to the battle against illegal immigration.

-introduce new, up-to-date technology in inspections, border patrol, and investigations
-create a secure intelligence database and distribution system
-set up a verification system for welfare and work eligibility



Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION POLICY
Post by: Napoleon on October 13, 2011, 03:45:35 AM
Do you support a path to citizenship for those already here illegaly who haven't committed a crime?


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION POLICY
Post by: Lincoln Republican on October 13, 2011, 10:24:38 PM
Do you support a path to citizenship for those already here illegaly who haven't committed a crime?

That is a very good question, and thank you for asking it.   

Although we have to protect our borders, we also have to be practical about those already here illegally.  We also have to take into consideration that many of these people have their families here, and have children here, some born in the country.  I am not a proponent of separating families.  Let's face facts.  It would be impractical and virtually impossible to expell every illegal in the nation.  However, public safety and national security must be paramount in deciding which illegals could be granted citizenship.

For those already here illegally who have not committed any crime, I would propose proceeding with any decision on citizenship on a case by case basis, in order that a determination could be made which would warrant citizenship and which would not.  For those who warrant it, the normal citizenship proceedings could then begin. 


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION POLICY
Post by: Junkie on October 14, 2011, 06:29:02 AM
Good answer.  It makes sense from a fiscal, legal, and national security perspective.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION POLICY
Post by: Lincoln Republican on October 14, 2011, 08:19:35 PM
Good answer.  It makes sense from a fiscal, legal, and national security perspective.

Thank you Junkie.

It was a good question which deserved a good answer.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD ADDRESSES OCCUPY WALL STREET
Post by: Lincoln Republican on October 14, 2011, 10:17:22 PM
Presidential candidate Winfield addresses the crowds at Occupy Wall Street.

The crowds cheer enthusiastically as Winfield takes the stage.

Let me applaud your noble undertaking.  For far too long the robber barons of Wall Street have rapaciously plundered the economy, ripping off honest, hard working people, with their monetary manipulation and libertine lending practices.

$700 billion dollars my friends, $700 billion dollars of your money was spent to bail out those fat cats sitting over there (points to the sky scraper office towers), wearing their $5,000 suits, sitting in their $10,000 leather office chairs behind their $50,000 oak and walnut desks, so they could pay themselves multi million dollar bonuses with your money, after they had driven those financial institutions into the ground.

And what is their response to justify a taxpayer funded bailout with taxpayer funded bonuses?

Their line goes something like this.....Well, if you don't compensate executives adequately, we will not get the best, most qualified executives to run these institutions.....to which I reply.....If you had the best, most qualified executives, then why did they not manage these institutions in such a way as to save the taxpayers hundreds of billions dollars of their money to bail out your greed and arrogance?

I can tell you, had I been Preident when this bonus rip off took place, I would have taxed these bonuses back at a rate of 99.999999%!  I'll have to rethink my proposal for a flat tax.

My friends, we must restore balance between the everyday, honest, law abiding, tax paying citizens of this nation, and the rip off artists occupying those multi billion dollar structures of glass and steel over there.  (Points to the office towers)

If you want a President who speaks for and acts for the everyday, hard working, law abiding, tax paying citizens of this nation, and a President who will bring the corporate fat cats and white collar criminals into line, and to justice, then I'm your man.

Raucous and sustained applause and cheering.      


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD ADDRESSES OCCUPY WALL STREET
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on October 14, 2011, 11:03:29 PM
This speech only confirmed my intentions to give you highest preference outside of my party.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD ADDRESSES OCCUPY WALL STREET
Post by: Lincoln Republican on October 14, 2011, 11:12:34 PM
This speech only confirmed my intentions to give you highest preference outside of my party.

How about highest preference regardless of party?  :)


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........TAX POLICY
Post by: Lincoln Republican on October 15, 2011, 05:52:46 PM
Although the flat tax does have some very positive aspects, I have decided, at this time, to introduce what I believe would be a more effective tax policy, which ensures as well that high income earners pay their fair share of taxation.

This tax policy is based on income, and I will propose that all Atlasians should and will participate in the payment of taxes in order to provide the revenue necessary to move the nation forward, as well as I believe that all who benefit from citizenship in Atlasia should participate in the responsibility to provide necessary revenues for the nations programs.  

Income up to 35,000 taxed at 10%
Income over 35,000 up to 50,000 taxed at 15%
Income over 50,000 up to 100,000 taxed at 20%
Income over 100,000 up to 300,000  taxed at 25%
Income over 300,000 up to 500,000 taxed at 30%
Income over 500,000 up to 1,000,000 taxed at 35%
Income over 1,000,000 up to 3,000,000 taxed at 40%
Income over 3,000,000 up to 5,000,000 taxed at 45%
Income over 5,000,000 taxed at 50%

No deductions or loopholes are allowed, however, since it is clear that families with children have greater expenses, families with an income not above 100,000 will receive a rebate per child based on the following table.

Income up to 35,000 rebate of 1,000 per child
Income over 35,000 up to 50,000 rebate of 750 per child
Income over 50,000 up to 100,000 rebate of 500 per child

Tweaked a bit to ensure no one pays more than 50% tax.    


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD ADDRESSES OCCUPY WALL STREET
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on October 15, 2011, 06:09:26 PM
This speech only confirmed my intentions to give you highest preference outside of my party.

How about highest preference regardless of party?  :)

Well, there are some major difference between us, like flat tax :(


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD ADDRESSES OCCUPY WALL STREET
Post by: Napoleon on October 15, 2011, 06:11:39 PM
This speech only confirmed my intentions to give you highest preference outside of my party.

How about highest preference regardless of party?  :)

Well, there are some major difference between us, like flat tax :(

See above post.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD ADDRESSES OCCUPY WALL STREET
Post by: Mechaman on October 15, 2011, 06:14:29 PM
This speech only confirmed my intentions to give you highest preference outside of my party.

How about highest preference regardless of party?  :)

Well, there are some major difference between us, like flat tax :(

What are you talking about?

Winfield just proved that the monkier of "Me-Too" Republicanism by accepting progressive income taxation of people who make more than $5 million at 60% of their income!  WITHOUT LOOPHOLES!


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD ADDRESSES OCCUPY WALL STREET
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on October 15, 2011, 06:29:57 PM
This speech only confirmed my intentions to give you highest preference outside of my party.

How about highest preference regardless of party?  :)

Well, there are some major difference between us, like flat tax :(

What are you talking about?

Winfield just proved that the monkier of "Me-Too" Republicanism by accepting progressive income taxation of people who make more than $5 million at 60% of their income!  WITHOUT LOOPHOLES!

Ups, I admitt, I haven't read this before.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........TAX POLICY
Post by: Cincinnatus on October 15, 2011, 07:30:54 PM
Yay!  You dropped the Flat tax.  Also, your sentiments regarding the Occupy Wall Street movement are exactly correct.  Corporate [among other] interests sway far to much influence over our politicians.  The current plutocracy we find ourselves in is destructive, and abusive to the majority of our citizens.  While we should encourage business and economic growth, and entrepreneurship/profits, we must simultaneously discourage abuse and corruption that burdens the market.  I feel your speech echos this opinion, and I commend you on your courage to defy the Rep-norm ;)


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........TAX POLICY
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on October 15, 2011, 07:45:42 PM
Tax policy = Dislike.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........TAX POLICY
Post by: Cincinnatus on October 15, 2011, 07:47:48 PM

It's an improvement from the Flat tax.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........TAX POLICY
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 15, 2011, 07:51:42 PM
You now re-enter into consideration - thank God you got rid of the flat tax


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........TAX POLICY
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on October 15, 2011, 08:06:16 PM

How in the name of all things beautiful and sexy can you possibly say that?


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........TAX POLICY
Post by: Cincinnatus on October 15, 2011, 08:28:46 PM

How in the name of all things beautiful and sexy can you possibly say that?

Besides the extremely problematic fact that no expert can seem to agree on the necessary percentage (22-33%?), underground economy, how does this affect consumption?.  There's lots of unanswered problems that exist with such a system.  Not to mention, the entire system burdens the lower-middle classes over the wealthy.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........TAX POLICY
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on October 15, 2011, 09:36:01 PM

How in the name of all things beautiful and sexy can you possibly say that?

Besides the extremely problematic fact that no expert can seem to agree on the necessary percentage (22-33%?), underground economy, how does this affect consumption?.  There's lots of unanswered problems that exist with such a system.  Not to mention, the entire system burdens the lower-middle classes over the wealthy.

So basically because someone worked harder to earn their money means they deserve to pay more. Bill Gates did not become a multi-billionaire because he was lazy, he worked hard to build Microsoft. So for all that work, you're suggesting that he pay more money to the Government? That the Government is somehow more deserving of his money than he is? That Government spending on useless programs is going to somehow stimulate the economy better than citizen spending in small and large businesses alike? The simplest concept of Capitalism is trust in the consumer rather than the Government.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........TAX POLICY
Post by: Cincinnatus on October 15, 2011, 09:51:12 PM

How in the name of all things beautiful and sexy can you possibly say that?

Besides the extremely problematic fact that no expert can seem to agree on the necessary percentage (22-33%?), underground economy, how does this affect consumption?.  There's lots of unanswered problems that exist with such a system.  Not to mention, the entire system burdens the lower-middle classes over the wealthy.

So basically because someone worked harder to earn their money means they deserve to pay more. Bill Gates did not become a multi-billionaire because he was lazy, he worked hard to build Microsoft. So for all that work, you're suggesting that he pay more money to the Government? That the Government is somehow more deserving of his money than he is? That Government spending on useless programs is going to somehow stimulate the economy better than citizen spending in small and large businesses alike? The simplest concept of Capitalism is trust in the consumer rather than the Government.

So you're saying we should shift the burden from those that [certainly] can afford it, to those who [really] can't?  You won't hear me argue about government waste, and the fact that entitlement reform is necessary.  Taxes need to be reduced on small businesses, and manufacturing.  This is where unemployment will be reduced.  It's just basic fiscal policy.  Also, while I'd prefer my taxes cut, anyone can argue that Government spending is more effective then a tax cut.  Considering tax cuts involve Saving, and direct spending is well, direct..  

Capitalism in its purest form is a flawed system.  The best system IMO, but flawed.  Obviously oversight is needed, roads and infrastructure need to be built (among other things), thus revenue is required.  So, the great debate is how to obtain revenue..  Do we tax the poor who can barely live off no federal income tax now..  Do we further expand the wealth inequality in this country by laying the burden on the Middle class?  No, we create a progressive tax system, that can provide revenue for necessities in government, while simultaneously encouraging profit.  If I'm making 20mill+ a year, and I'm being taxed say 50%, am I really inclined to stop trying to make profit?  No, I still want to expand, I still want to increase my profit.  There's a difference between punishing reward (England had 90% tax on upper wealth at one point if I'm correct?  Anyone more familiar let me know..)  and obtaining revenue from the same people that have so greatly benefited through the system.  Of course, as I mentioned earlier, entitlements is an entirely different debate.  There's no doubt in my mind we have a spending problem.  As well as there's no doubt in my mind the Government is often terrible ineffective.  

However, and I hope this sums up my point;  One flat tax will lose the government revenue.  Loss of revenue during an economic recession is very bad, combined with the current spending, even worse.  The uncertainty and in my opinion the "unfairness" of the Fair Tax, make it an undesirable policy [at least to myself].


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........TAX POLICY
Post by: Mechaman on October 15, 2011, 09:58:25 PM
I admit to finding the Flat Tax insanity.

However, I find the idea of taxing anybody half or more of their income to be equally insane.

So where do I stand?


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........TAX POLICY
Post by: Cincinnatus on October 15, 2011, 10:01:13 PM
I admit to finding the Flat Tax insanity.

However, I find the idea of taxing anybody half or more of their income to be equally insane.

So where do I stand?

50% was just a random sample, but yeah, you're standing high on the pedestal where you belong Mecha ;)


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........TAX POLICY
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on October 15, 2011, 10:07:49 PM
So how about everyone pay less taxes all together? Why does the flat tax have to be 20-30%? Why can't it be say...5%? That way, if someone makes, say $10,000 a year, they only pay $500 in taxes, but if someone makes $250,000 a year, they're paying $12,500 in taxes. Ultimately, the flat tax benefits the poor more, because they pay very little in taxes, whereas the rich pay more. It's x% of your income. The less money you make, the less taxes you pay. But instead, a progressive system wants people making $10k to pay 5% in taxes ($500 a year) and people making $250k to pay 40% in taxes ($100,000 a year), leaving the people who make $10k with $9.5k and the people with $250k with $150k. That's a big difference. If that person making $250k spends a lot of money, that'll stimulate the economy better because the money goes through the stores they spend it at, meaning the stores have more money. Stores with more money = stores with more job opportunities. Those stores can now hire the people making $10k and bring their income up to $35k. Why not let the free market run it's course and allow the poor to get richer so everyone has more money? Government intervention (which include tax increases) have always proven ineffective and wasteful. Of course Capitalism is flawed, all economic philosophies are, but you're correct in saying that it's the best one, the least flawed. Yes, roads and infrastructure need to be built, but that money will come to the Government as people get richer. Instead of criminalizing the rich because they are rich, why not let them pay 5% of the income and let them use the other 95% as they please?


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........TAX POLICY
Post by: Cincinnatus on October 15, 2011, 10:24:41 PM
So how about everyone pay less taxes all together? Why does the flat tax have to be 20-30%? Why can't it be say...5%? That way, if someone makes, say $10,000 a year, they only pay $500 in taxes, but if someone makes $250,000 a year, they're paying $12,500 in taxes. Ultimately, the flat tax benefits the poor more, because they pay very little in taxes, whereas the rich pay more. It's x% of your income. The less money you make, the less taxes you pay. But instead, a progressive system wants people making $10k to pay 5% in taxes ($500 a year) and people making $250k to pay 40% in taxes ($100,000 a year), leaving the people who make $10k with $9.5k and the people with $250k with $150k. That's a big difference. If that person making $250k spends a lot of money, that'll stimulate the economy better because the money goes through the stores they spend it at, meaning the stores have more money. Stores with more money = stores with more job opportunities. Those stores can now hire the people making $10k and bring their income up to $35k. Why not let the free market run it's course and allow the poor to get richer so everyone has more money? Government intervention (which include tax increases) have always proven ineffective and wasteful. Of course Capitalism is flawed, all economic philosophies are, but you're correct in saying that it's the best one, the least flawed. Yes, roads and infrastructure need to be built, but that money will come to the Government as people get richer. Instead of criminalizing the rich because they are rich, why not let them pay 5% of the income and let them use the other 95% as they please?


You seem to forget much of that 95% won't find its way back into the marketplace, whereas the money the lower-class has to consume will.  Those who are rich will still consumer what they need (Necessities), and what they desire (wants).  This is the beauty of progressive taxing, it slides along the scale with income.  Those with higher wealth will still have plenty of disposable income, which they will use to A) Consume, B) Invest, and C)Save.  5% is nowhere near realistic, as the majority agrees on either 22%, or 33% as far as I'm aware.  Also, your assumption that lower classes won't be taxed as much is a fallacy.  These lower-classes I'm talking about generally don't pay Federal income tax now, which wouldn't exist.  So, the requirement of paying 33% on sales would cost them more.  Of course, if we have a rebate system, this will cost the Government more for these lower classes :P

It's clear though that we won't agree on this point, so I'm going to stop bumping my opponents campaign thread ;)   


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........TAX POLICY
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on October 15, 2011, 10:32:12 PM
Agree to disagree :P


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........TAX POLICY
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 15, 2011, 11:26:53 PM
From my experience, people who support a flat tax base their economic policy on how they think it SHOULD work, rather than how it actually works.

It's all based on emotion, not practicality. Show me a developed mixed-market economy that has a flat-tax (the low one that people want) that didn't result in a lower living standard?

I'm pretty sure it's the one economic that makes my head explode... it's so utterly stupid and shifts the burden away from people who can easily pay onto those who can't.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........TAX POLICY
Post by: Lincoln Republican on October 16, 2011, 11:39:03 AM
Although the flat tax does have some very positive aspects, I have decided, at this time, to introduce what I believe would be a more effective tax policy, which ensures as well that high income earners pay their fair share of taxation.

This tax policy is based on income, and I will propose that all Atlasians should and will participate in the payment of taxes in order to provide the revenue necessary to move the nation forward, as well as I believe that all who benefit from citizenship in Atlasia should participate in the responsibility to provide necessary revenues for the nations programs.  

Income up to 35,000 taxed at 10%
Income over 35,000 up to 50,000 taxed at 15%
Income over 50,000 up to 100,000 taxed at 20%
Income over 100,000 up to 300,000  taxed at 25%
Income over 300,000 up to 500,000 taxed at 30%
Income over 500,000 up to 1,000,000 taxed at 35%
Income over 1,000,000 up to 3,000,000 taxed at 40%
Income over 3,000,000 up to 5,000,000 taxed at 45%
Income over 5,000,000 taxed at 50%

No deductions or loopholes are allowed, however, since it is clear that families with children have greater expenses, families with an income not above 100,000 will receive a rebate per child based on the following table.

Income up to 35,000 rebate of 1,000 per child
Income over 35,000 up to 50,000 rebate of 750 per child
Income over 50,000 up to 100,000 rebate of 500 per child

Tweaked a bit to ensure no one pays more than 50% tax.    

TWEAKED A BIT TO ENSURE NO ONE PAYS MORE THAN 50% TAX.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........TAX POLICY
Post by: ZuWo on October 16, 2011, 11:42:06 AM
That's much better. An enthusiastic second preference for you. ;)


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........TAX POLICY
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on October 16, 2011, 12:41:31 PM
Anyway, just to clarify, Snowguy and me were friends and political allies for a quite lot of time, and he's my first choice, which is not going to change. However, you made a great impression on me both as extraordinary active Governor of Northeast, as well as a presidential candidate. I'm sorry 2nd is all I can give you at this point but even if you're not elected President now, I certainly hope I'd be able to support you in federal politics in future.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........TAX POLICY
Post by: Lincoln Republican on October 16, 2011, 01:33:00 PM
Thank you Kalwejt.  Most gracious of you.

But you can't blame me for asking.  :)


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........TAX POLICY
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on October 16, 2011, 01:52:03 PM

That's your job, after all ;D


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........I SHALL GO TO TEL AVIV AND RAMALLAH
Post by: Lincoln Republican on October 16, 2011, 10:40:17 PM
As President, I shall go to Tel Aviv and Ramallah and broker a peace settlement between the Republic of Isreal and the Palestinian National Authority.

For far too long, the Israeli Palestinian conflict has brought tragedy and destruction to the Middle East, destabilizing the region, hampering peace efforts, and destroying lives.

In my vision of peace, the right thing to do is to build a shared future in two separate states, one,  the State of Israel, which was established as a Jewish state, a national home for the Jewish people, and the other, the State of Palestine, which will be established to give a full and complete solution to Palestinians wherever they may be. Those who are in Gaza and the West Bank, and those in the refugee camps in other Arab countries with temporary status, waiting for a sense of belonging to a national state, the same feeling of wholeness that the establishment of the State of Israel gave to the Jewish refugees who were forced to leave Arab countries and Europe and became partners in building Israel. I believe that the solution of two nation states serves the interests of both sides.  I say to Palestinians, do not bemoan the establishment of the State of Israel, establish your own state, rejoice in its establishment and Israel will rejoice with you, since for Israel the establishment of the Palestinian state will not be a disaster, but rather, a solution. 

Knowing that the conflict has a solution is not enough. Reaching the solution depends first of all upon the two sides themselves and their ability to conduct negotiations, to touch on the most sensitive points and to provide answers based on the understanding that neither side can obtain everything it wants and that compromises are necessary on both sides. The solution also depends on the ability of the leaders to cope with extremists and terrorism, and I am not speaking here only of the leaders of the sides directly involved in the conflict. This is the central task of the entire world leadership, and especially of the Israeli and Arab world.

I am confident that I will be able to bring the two factions together, and, once and for all, bring a lasting peace to the region.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........CAMPAIGN SUMMARY
Post by: Lincoln Republican on October 18, 2011, 11:20:03 PM
As the Presidential election draws near, following is a summary of my policies and stands that I have taken and issues that I have discussed over the course of the campaign.

-End voter manipulation through the Vote Sanctity Act.
-Keep in contact with the Regional Governors.  Strong regions make a strong nation.
-Will encourage honest, meaningful, frank discussion and debate in the Senate.
-The President must provide leadership, direction, and cooperation.
-The simulation should be fun for all participants, and I will work toward this.
-The office of Vice President should be a fully functioning member of the administration and participate in decision making.  
-I support the Atlasian National Health Care Act, and work to see that no one falls between the cracks.
-I support an effective daycare program for pre school and school age children and after school programs.
-I support a seniors care program
-I have introduced a full employment strategy.
-I support an educational program that will prepare students for the technologically advanced future.
-I will support school safety and security programs.
-I support school uniforms so all students will be on an equal footing.
-I will introduce a program to ensure there will be skilled and trained workers in the trades.
-I will take a strong stand against secession and will maintain the unity of the nation.
-I will introduce an effective energy policy that puts the interests of the people before the interests of polluters.
-I will introduce effective measures so all Atlasians can have a part in combating global warming and climate change.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........CAMPAIGN SUMMARY
Post by: Lincoln Republican on October 18, 2011, 11:40:05 PM
Campaign summary continued.

-I will close down overseas military bases that will not affect the security of Atlasia.
-I will ensure that the military of Atlasia is well trained and well prepared to defend the security of Atlasia at all times.
-I will cultivate relations with emerging economies to the economic benefit of Atlasia and Atlasians.
-I will introduce a code of ethics for all elected and non elected govrnment personnel.
-I will encourage an atmosphere of acceptance and tolerance for all Alasians, regardless of any differences that exist.
-I will introduce an effective illegal immigration policy.
-I spoke out publicly in support of Occupy Wall Street and spoke against the injustices perpetrated by the economic elite.
-I will introduce a progressive and fair tax policy.
-I will work to negotiate a peace between Israel and the Palestinians.

These are some of the issues, among many others, that as President, I will be bringing forward and speaking out on.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........CAMPAIGN SUMMARY
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 19, 2011, 08:49:56 PM
Best of luck for the election.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........CAMPAIGN SUMMARY
Post by: Lincoln Republican on October 19, 2011, 08:52:01 PM

Thank you Mr. President.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........ELECTION EVE ADDRESS TO THE NATION
Post by: Lincoln Republican on October 20, 2011, 12:01:56 AM
My fellow Atlasians, greetings and good evening.

I am speaking to you tonight from the library of my home in Newport, Rhode Island.  Thank you for joining me, and I trust you will find the time well spent and informative.

Over the past few weeks, I have had the opportunity and privilege to be out amongst Atlasians all across this land, from the rugged coastlines of Maine to the rolling hills of Kentucky, from the rich red clay terrain of Georgia to the golden wheat fields of Kansas, from the enterprising dairy farms of Wisconsin to the majestic mountains of Wyoming, from the splendor of the grand canyons of Arizona to the lush green forests of Oregon, and every state in between.

Last evening, I summarized for Atlasians my campaign, the issues I have raised during the course of the campaign, and the policies I would introduce as President.

Tomorrow, Atlasians will vote.

To me, this election presents Atlasians with a clear alternative, the status quo, the continuation of the partisanship that has prevailed in Atlasia for some time, or a new Atlasia.

I offer Atlasians a Presidency that transcends party or ideology, a pragmatic, independent Presidency, freed from the constraints of partisanship and party loyalty.

This evening, I wish to address in particular Atlasians across this land, Atlasians who may find themselves in perhaps difficult and unsettled times in their lives, Atlasians who feel down and out, Atlasians who just feel down on their luck, Atlasians who may feel life has dealt them a bad hand.

To them I say

Where there is despair let there be hope
Where there is darkness let there be light
Where there is cruelty let there be kindness
Where there is suffering let there be relief
Where there is conflict let there be peace
Where there is harshness let there be compassion
Where there is meanness let there be mercy
Where there is unfairness let there be justice

Do not lose hope.  Brighter days lie ahead.

Thank you and good night.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........ELECTION EVE ADDRESS TO THE NATION
Post by: Oakvale on October 20, 2011, 11:38:20 AM
I'm a Snowguy voter, but you've run a fantastic campaign and will have my, well, second preference. :P


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD CONCESSION
Post by: Lincoln Republican on October 24, 2011, 10:35:11 PM
I would like to thank Atlasians from all across this land for the mandate they have bestowed upon me in this elec.....

Oh, sorry, wrong speech.  I had written two, must have picked up the wrong one on my way out.  :D

I would like at this time to offer my sincere congratulations to the winner of the election, and the new President, whoever that may be.  Official results are still being tabulated.  

But I do wish to congtratulate both Snowguy and Duke for the success they have both had in their campaigns.  This election may be the closest and most exciting election in the history of Atlasia, and I thank Snowguy, Duke, and Atlasians everywhere for making it into an exciting race.

I would like to thank at this time all those who supported me.  Thank you so very much.  I fully realized  from the beginning that running as an independent against two well entrenched party machines would be a very difficult road.  And so I sincerely thank those who took an independent stand in this election, disregarded party labels, and cast their vote for me.

I raised many issues that I believed were important, introduced many concrete proposals for Atlasia's future, spoke my mind, stood up for what I believe in, and I have no regrets.

And of course, I thank all Atlasians for participating in democracy by voting for the candidate of their choice, and I fully respect the decision of the voters.  Voting is, after all, the essence of democracy.  

I am very pleased to see no evidence, or at least no reports, of voter manipulation in this election.  Perhaps my Vote Sanctity Act is being taken seriously.

At this time, I wish to in particular thank Senator Jbrase publicly for consenting to become my running mate, and for bringing his respected name and considerable abilities to our ticket.  Thank you Jbrase.

All the best to Atlasians everywhere, and to all elected officials in the nation, for a bright and productive future for Atlasia.

Thank you and good night.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD CONCESSION
Post by: #CriminalizeSobriety on October 24, 2011, 10:54:19 PM
Becoming Governor on his own volition,
Improving the Northeast was his mission.
Of political favors, he was no benefactor,
He was the real deal, not an actor.
With activity and reform,
He was quite different than the norm.
Though October brought defeat,
Winfield’s integrity is hard to beat.

Proud to have voted for you, my friend.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD CONCESSION
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 24, 2011, 11:02:28 PM
You ran a great campaign.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD CONCESSION
Post by: Lincoln Republican on October 24, 2011, 11:19:06 PM

Thank you.  I appreciate that. 


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD CONCESSION
Post by: Lincoln Republican on October 24, 2011, 11:22:31 PM
Becoming Governor on his own volition,
Improving the Northeast was his mission.
Of political favors, he was no benefactor,
He was the real deal, not an actor.
With activity and reform,
He was quite different than the norm.
Though October brought defeat,
Winfield’s integrity is hard to beat.

Proud to have voted for you, my friend.

Dallasfan, I am moved by your words, as I know they are from your heart.

Thank you so very much.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD CONCESSION
Post by: Lincoln Republican on October 24, 2011, 11:43:31 PM
At this time, I wish to sincerely congratulate Snowguy on his election to the Presidency.

All the best to you Snowguy and your new administration.

As well, I wish to pay tribute to that great public servant, Duke, for his nothing short of spectacular showing in the election, and for his tremendous contributions to Atlasia.

Thank you Duke.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD CONCESSION
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on October 25, 2011, 12:21:44 AM
Thank you, Winfield.

You ran an activate campaign and I admire you for the effort you put into it. You showed you wanted the job, and that is something I can always respect and applaud. I hope you remain active. We can always use new ideas in this game. You're a tremendous asset!


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD CONCESSION
Post by: ZuWo on October 25, 2011, 01:51:35 AM
You ran a great campaign. It's a pity that neither of the two active campaigns (yours and Duke's) prevailed.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD CONCESSION
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on October 25, 2011, 05:18:06 AM
Becoming Governor on his own volition,
Improving the Northeast was his mission.
Of political favors, he was no benefactor,
He was the real deal, not an actor.
With activity and reform,
He was quite different than the norm.
Though October brought defeat,
Winfield’s integrity is hard to beat.

Proud to have voted for you, my friend.

This.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD CONCESSION
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on October 25, 2011, 06:30:25 AM
Winfield, you ran an extraordinary campaign and your activity was a great contribution to this game. I really hope you're going to stay active and that I'll be able to support you in your futher political adventures :)


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD CONCESSION
Post by: Bacon King on October 25, 2011, 04:20:28 PM
Winfield, Jbrase, the two of you ran a great campaign. Winfield, even when it looked unlikely that you would win, you remained determined and campaigned actively until the end. I think Atlasia needs more people with your drive and determination, and I hope to see you continue to maintain this energy in the years to come. :)


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD CONCESSION
Post by: Lincoln Republican on October 26, 2011, 08:55:07 PM
Thank you, Winfield.

You ran an activate campaign and I admire you for the effort you put into it. You showed you wanted the job, and that is something I can always respect and applaud. I hope you remain active. We can always use new ideas in this game. You're a tremendous asset!

Thank you Duke. 


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD CONCESSION
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on October 26, 2011, 08:55:42 PM
Y'all ran a great campaign, with clear ideas.  It was really an excellent election all around; good luck to both of you.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD CONCESSION
Post by: Lincoln Republican on October 26, 2011, 08:57:39 PM
You ran a great campaign. It's a pity that neither of the two active campaigns (yours and Duke's) prevailed.

Thank you ZuWo.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD CONCESSION
Post by: Lincoln Republican on October 26, 2011, 08:58:48 PM
Becoming Governor on his own volition,
Improving the Northeast was his mission.
Of political favors, he was no benefactor,
He was the real deal, not an actor.
With activity and reform,
He was quite different than the norm.
Though October brought defeat,
Winfield’s integrity is hard to beat.

Proud to have voted for you, my friend.

This.

Thank you 20RP12.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD CONCESSION
Post by: Lincoln Republican on October 26, 2011, 09:00:45 PM
Winfield, you ran an extraordinary campaign and your activity was a great contribution to this game. I really hope you're going to stay active and that I'll be able to support you in your futher political adventures :)

Thank you Kalwejt.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD CONCESSION
Post by: Lincoln Republican on October 26, 2011, 09:02:32 PM
Winfield, Jbrase, the two of you ran a great campaign. Winfield, even when it looked unlikely that you would win, you remained determined and campaigned actively until the end. I think Atlasia needs more people with your drive and determination, and I hope to see you continue to maintain this energy in the years to come. :)

Thank you Bacon King.


Title: Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD CONCESSION
Post by: Lincoln Republican on October 26, 2011, 09:03:23 PM
Y'all ran a great campaign, with clear ideas.  It was really an excellent election all around; good luck to both of you.

Thank you Ben.