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Confirmed by Yemeni officials.

This could increase Obama's approval ratings by 2-3% in the next days ...

Magnificent news!  A great day in the War on Terror!

Great news, but probably no political effect.

No significant political effect.  Anwar doesn't have the notoriety of Bin Laden, so the polling effect won't be similar.  Either way, a win for the United States, and the Predator drones ;) 

Ronnie Paul condemns assassination:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/30/8059346-paul-condemns-assassinating-al-awlaki

Gary Johnson too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lZchqrAQN4&feature=player_embedded

Of course, if this were a Republican Administration, it would be everywhere and they would campaign on literally nothing else but killing Osama and Al-Awlaki.

He's a US citizen; he at least should have gotten a trial in America.

Once again Obama does something Bush couldn't.

You going to send in the troops to Yemen to get him.  It was a target of opportunity.  We had Bin Laden in our sights several times and never pulled the trigger.  That is a risk I would not take again.

I don't care if this guy was a former Presidential of Freedom award winner.  He declared war against the US and sanctioned the murder of Americans. Further, his fingerprints have been on dozens of plots going back a decade. This is a war. Many US citizens served with the Nazis and Japanese too- If he wanted his trial he should have surrendered himself off the battlefield.

Capturing him would have been much harder and more dangerous to the troops.

It's justifiable to be against this, but let's be realistic about what our options were.

Yeah, I guess if it was realistic to capture him alive, then sure go for it. I doubt it was though. Good riddance.

Praise God!!!...oh wait, according to the Word of Obama, who obviously knows more than God Himself, we're not suppose to rejoice when the wicked are removed.   my bad.

He's reading Ezekiel and you're reading Psalms - so what?

what's the verse in Ezekiel you're referring to?

Technically, Obama could be impeached for murder now, couldn't he?

lol @ Ron Paul's reaction. What a crazy old geezer.

only idiots would want to impeach Obama for this...it was obviously the right choice and Obama deserves a standing ovation

But of course, if Al-Awlaki was a Christian, he would have been put on trial.

if a "Christian" was plotting terror attacks on the US, I'd be willing to kill him myself, just as I would Al-Awlaki...his religon doesnt make a difference to me if he is a terrorist

It does to the U.S. government though.

cite?

Proverbs 24:17-20

Do not rejoice when your enemies fall,
and do not let your heart be glad when they stumble,
or else the LORD will see it and be displeased,
and turn away his anger from them.

Do not fret because of evildoers.
Do not envy the wicked;
for the evil have no future;
the lamp of the wicked will go out.

Not sure what he's talking about in Ezekiel, unless 33:11 is somehow supposed to fit in here :P

Not really.  Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was captured in 2003, and there was no great upswing for Bush.

and more good news link (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/afghanistan/story/2011-10-01/Afghanistan-Haqqani-leader/50625196/1)

They are entirely different cases, but I don't think david koreshs christianity pulled any weight.

I think my heart just gave out.

Yeah, the good old American 'strategy' (this is almost insulting to the concept of strategy) at work:

'SHOUT SHOOT SHOUT'

'WE ARE GOING TO KILL ANYBODY WHO DOES SOMETHING AGAINST THE USA!'

[Bomb/Murder]

'WE HAVE KILLED THE BAD GUYS!' or 'Justice has been done'

And then the USA still don't get why all a lot of people around the world have a problem with them...


No. There wasn't a war before USA opened one. There has been a giant terrorist attack, made by a bunch of guys who were part of an organization that was certainly smaller than one thousands persons around the world (and I think I'm generous). The biggest not military attack against a country ever, some terrorism. The response should have been counter-terrorism, and one with a strategy that should be a bit more dense than: BOMB!/KILL!

But the glorious USA administrations decided to turn it into a worldwide far-west in which they allow themselves to do whatever they want in any country and in which they think that bombing and murdering some guys will do any good to fight this terrorism. In short, they take over-imperialist measures to fight something which is mainly motivated by anti-imperialism (hell, just have a look to the dynamic that built Al Qaeda).

Questions:

Has there been more terrorism around the world before 9/11, or after? Has there been some Americans that turned into 'Muslim' terrorists against USA before or after? The development of terrorist organizations tied to Al Qaeda has it been bigger before 9/11 or after?

Observations:

15,000 civilian dead people in Afghanistan after 2001.
2,760 for 2010 only (UN figures), a figure which is disturbingly close from 9/11.

The 'War on Terror' seems to have a glorious assessment...

But hey, apparently, it doesn't prevent people to party around the murder of someone like if it was about a football victory.

And then you wonder why a lot of people around the world has a problem with this country, with what this country does...

Seems like in a... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fPYyoY49Bc)

Yes, I am very pleased that someone who plots to kill me and my neighbors is dead.  Al Qaeda and fellow travellers had been attacking the United States or their interests for a decade with ever increasing deadliness.  We tried the soft, crime fighting, approach from before even 93 and it bore little fruit.  It emboldened terrorist organizations into bigger attacks like 9/11. They felt the US would retreat from the world stage when attacked and operated with impunity.

 This may seem alien to you, but I think we take the fight to our enemies and eliminate them.  AQ's leadership has been dismantled and the large groups are running scared.  There is a proliferation of lone wolfs, but with sources of funding and training camps cut off the sophistication of the plots is amateur.

Civilian deaths are regrettable and our forces do what they can to avoid them 99% of the time and have clear R.O.E. Our enemies seem to have little regard for this.  Whether it be sawing local people's heads off, blowing up tribal elders who dare defy them, killing people commuters in a train station in Mumbai or using a ball bearing laden vest in a crowded market. Sadly, more civilians died in the 1990's from civil war before we got there and more will die after we leave.