Talk Elections

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I have no idea why Huntsman isn't showing up.

Can't we just see Cain debate one last time?  Please? :(

Huckabee has to be kicking himself more and more.


So...abortion/death penalty questions?  Last gasp for the Ricks?

Why the low interest as compared to other debates? I personally think this should be stickied. If somebody could post a link to this online that'd be great too. I missed the debate over Thanksgiving Break and have no intention to do so again.

No Cain, no Huntsman?  Rule on no personal attacks?  Equal time for candidates?  It's going to be a never-ending Ron Paul snoozefest.

What an opportunity to have real solutions proposed in lieu of talking points ;)

I feel like this "forum" will mainly be composed of plaudits to Cain.

Ken Cuccinelli is one of the AGs involved, so add gay marriage and climate change to the list.

Will it be streamed live on Fox's website?

When is it?

8pm.

It starts.

"Huntsmans exact words were: 'Go f*** yourself, fatty' "

???

Florida's got themselves a fine Attorney General.

And Newt leads off..

Just me being my odd selve.

Why does my TV have no sound?

Newt Showing off he knows state capitals.

Newt does well.

Is Gingrich the only one who has spoken so far?

Yep.  2 hours, 6 candidates = 20 minutes of time, counting commercials, per candidate.

Judging by that segment, Those 3 are going to tear Romney apart.

Forums are so much more boring than debates. Just extend debate time, but God asking everyone the same questions for 2 hours without exchanges is boring

I thought this was going to be six AGs, not just three?

Santorum started off awkward but picked up some momentum.

I will watch the midnight rerun. I'm too busy playing President Forever, going through each scenario between 1996-2012 that has the Constitution Party and trying to get at least 1% of the vote. Much more interesting then what Huckabee usually has on ;)

"The events of 999"?

Rick closed by denying that SCOTUS is the final arbiter of the meaning of the Constitution (he wants to repeal Marbury v Madison somehow, someway, just like Newt), and wants to close down the 9th Circuit to boot. Just how anyone serious can support such reckless jokers sort of amazes me. It really does. If the Courts are not the final arbiter, the Constitution is essentially a dead letter. Does everyone understand that?  This is not a trivial issue.

No one except some libertarians and some paleocons actually care that much about the Constitution. That's not a complaint though.

Perry looks nervous. Also, where is everyone? Where are the 20 pages?

That... shocked me. And what does he have against the 9th Circuit?

Lack of live stream maybe? I found one online that's really awful.

Perry on education is 0-0 scary

For Conservatives, These guys want to amend the Constitution for EVERYTHING.

I beg to differ, but whatever.

Here is a "thinkum" for folks. Do you really want Congress to "adjudicate" the reach of the 1st Amendment?  Do folks realize just how truncated free speech rights are outside the Fruited Plain?  Even Canada does stuff that causes me to shudder - jailing or fining folks for incorrect speech that the government deems "hateful" or whatever.

Perry pulls the pocket Constitution!

Rick Perry has a creative answer to the Founding Fathers question!

And now he says don't add to the constitution.

Dope.

Perry kept drawing out the word legislators or I guess Ledge-uuh-slate--eeerz

Bachmann was too stupid to deflect the comment that deporting 11 million illegals (which she supports), would cost 150 billion. You would think this rather calm but nevertheless calculatingly vicious women would have had the presence of mind in her world to comment that the bulk of those would leave of their own accord if cut off from jobs and government benefits (which of course she also supports). But she didn't.  Well, she's irrelevant anyway. Stupidity is a sin for a potential POTUS is the point, beyond what they actually think.

Let's see what Romney has to say.

Bachmann treating this like a Sunday morning talk show.

Does she think she can be VP?

Bachmann is so terrified up there against three "real" lawyers, that she just projects listlissness, ennui, and an almost robotic quality (I thought of the Stepford Wives movie - I really did).

Huckabee has a Mac.  I am surprised, and disgusted.

Ron Paul. This should be fun.

Paul came up with the big three of what government should be doing on the spot (borders, currency and enforcing the Bill of Rights), unlike poor Perry when it came to his little three agencies in his cross hairs. Paul is a quite composed chap. I guess that comes with a point of view, that renders the complex, all just so simple.

None. Just say none Ron.

Paul doesn't know the amendments to the Constitution other than the Bills of Rights.  You would think that when asked to list what amendments to the Constitution were a mistake, he would have gone to the amendment on the income tax (the 16th?), like flies to sh**t. But then he is an MD, not a JD, so he won't go to hell over that flub.

But this is Ron Paul. His whole platform is about the constitution. If he doesn't know, this is a MAJOR gaffe.

I was waiting for the 16th too.

Anyway, now it's Romney time.

What's with the idea of competing currencies?

This has been the most boring forum ever, even with AG's pushing form some drama. Congrats Mike Huckabee

Mittens is a smart lawyer, among other smart lawyers, so he ruled. I try not to be biased in these things, and may fail,  but that is my honest opinion. The contrast with the others was just huge.

I'd like to attorney her general.

Heh.

Eww. She's not very attractive.

Ron Paul goes way off the deep end...

Santorum keeps talking about abortion like that's the number one issue facing America.

It is, for socons.

Rick is just trying to create a niche for himself (I will never forget the social issues from which America derives its virtu! (a Greek word there for you, combining the concept of strength, courage, and yes virtue, all at once in a unified whole, to wit, the mensch)), since on fiscal stuff, he is just another pretty face.

I mean the Florida chick, in case you were wondering. Kookinelli ain't my type. :P

I know what he's doing, but it's not a very good strategy to use in a time when social issues are the last things on most peoples' minds.

I've met her once, but since I was in a room full of elderly women, so my hormones were very well in check.

Anyone else going through Cain withdrawal?

It's probably easier for Paul to remember the amendments that he doesn't oppose.

If you can for one second think like a social conservative thinks, you'll understand why. Then, when the second's up, well, you won't.

Can I just take a brief amount of time to express my absolute admiration for you all? To spend so long sitting through and commenting on (with furious keyboard strokes of superhuman dedication) this endless series of utterly tedious and essentially pointless 'debates' between a dispiriting array of sociopaths, frauds, hacks, probable sex offenders, escaped mental patients, obviously closeted homophobes, and Mormons (and all of them clothed in expensive-but-horrible suits of one kind or another, and all of them acting on an endless series of ghastly garish stages as if this were not so much political theatre as political vaudeville) is quite some feat. Certainly not something I have the stomach for. I am sure that these precious hours have not been wasted, as it is clear to me that these debates will end up being as absolutely and utterly worthwhile as they have been both thrilling and intellectually stimulating.

Pounding that out Al must have felt almost as good as a really good sexual consummation for you.  So many bon mot adjectives attending a string of almost equally arresting nouns, strung out in one long paragraph full of robust sentences, just spilling it all out. Good job!  :P

You know what Winston Churchill said right? But then, maybe what he said has more verisimilitude in Britain, whose governance I quite admire overall.

As someone who likes Paul, I thought he sounded awful tonight. Especially when asked about which amendments he didn't like.

Only saw Romney, Paul, and closings. I know I'm biased, but I was extremely impressed with Romney. He has the unique ability of being able to please both conservatives and moderates, something no other candidate (minus Huntsman, of course) can achieve.

We did the same thing in 2008.  Except you can add black Muslim narcissists to the list.  Nothing like banging your head against the wall for enjoyment.  :)

Which is why no one REALLY likes him and why he's losing to Newt right now.

And some paleos

Social issues defining the campaign is just what Obama needs though. :)

The AG from Florida was annoying and inexcusably dumb. Cooch was pretty heavy handed with all the candidates, which I found funny. He had no problem cutting them off.