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Title: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: Napoleon on December 12, 2011, 02:04:39 AM
The Mideast Assembly has proposed the following.
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New Mideast Marijuana Taxation Act

1. The Mideast Marijuana Taxation Act is hereby repealed.

2. There shall be a 20% tax increase on all marijuana substances in the Mideast.

3. a) 50% of the money collected by this tax shall fund the Mideast Victim Compensation Act.

b) 45% of the money collected by this tax shall be used for the establishment of the Mideast Cannabis Prevention Center, which shall be supervised by the Mideast Department of Health. The main task of the Mideast Cannabis Prevention Center is to inform the public on the harmful effects of marijuana and organize regular marijuana prevention activities in public schools.

c) 5% of the money collected by this tax shall fund the creation of community murals as specified in Section 3 in the Keep our Region Clean and Free from Vandalism Act.
Sponsor: ZuWo

They are eager to tax you and waste your hard earned money on deceitful propaganda courtesy of the far right. If you are a citizen of the Mideast, stand up and voice your opinion! We can defeat this.


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on December 12, 2011, 02:10:34 AM
At least they're not trying to ban it this time. Baby steps!


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: Napoleon on December 12, 2011, 02:14:46 AM
At least they're not trying to ban it this time. Baby steps!

Haha yeah. I am going to admit I love how they pursue ideological policies, try other more pragmatic restrictions to work around political reality, etc. It is good for the game to have dedicated agendas and policy goals, no matter whetger or not I agree with the policies. I wish people were more interested in such things nationally.


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on December 12, 2011, 02:23:12 AM
Thinking about running for office in the Mideast, Napoleon?  Hahahaha.

But yeah.  I saw this legislation earlier.  I, for one, am personally against such a thing and would fight any kind of similar proposal if one comes to the Northeast.


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on December 12, 2011, 02:25:26 AM
This thread is an honest surprise to me.


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: Napoleon on December 12, 2011, 02:27:19 AM
This thread is an honest surprise to me.

Why is that?


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on December 12, 2011, 02:30:27 AM
It's complicated and I really couldn't say so without starting a personal argument.

Perhaps I shouldn't have said anything.


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on December 12, 2011, 02:59:38 AM
I am a little late to this party but I guess this means marijuana is legal in this forum government.... hardly anything "freedom lovers" love more then that


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on December 12, 2011, 03:11:35 AM
I am a little late to this party but I guess this means marijuana is legal in this forum government.... hardly anything "freedom lovers" love more then that

Everything's legal here.  You don't even have to pay taxes in one of our regions.


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on December 12, 2011, 03:18:32 AM
I am a little late to this party but I guess this means marijuana is legal in this forum government.... hardly anything "freedom lovers" love more then that

Everything's legal here.  You don't even have to pay taxes in one of our regions.

Which one?... I'm going to move


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on December 12, 2011, 03:20:19 AM
You are not allowed to move. That would be against the law.


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on December 12, 2011, 03:22:40 AM
I am a little late to this party but I guess this means marijuana is legal in this forum government.... hardly anything "freedom lovers" love more then that

Everything's legal here.  You don't even have to pay taxes in one of our regions.

Which one?... I'm going to move

The Northeast, but that's only because we don't have a tax system in place yet.

Oh yeah, and what Teddy mentioned.  That's one of the few things you aren't allowed to do here without waiting.  I forget how long you have to wait, though.


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on December 12, 2011, 03:25:44 AM
Was kidding around... I love the Imperial South!

And interesting how you can smoke pot, shoot heroin, bang sluts, not pay taxes- but you can not move....


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on December 12, 2011, 03:29:59 AM
Was kidding around... I love the Imperial South!

And interesting how you can smoke pot, shoot heroin, bang sluts, not pay taxes- but you can not move....

That's the beauty of this place.  You'll enjoy our freedoms, and you shall never leave the place that offers them. :D


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: ZuWo on December 12, 2011, 04:27:12 AM
Bad publicity is always better than no publicity at all. It is also great to see that Mideast affairs are debated all across Atlasia. Therefore, thank you for the mention! ;)


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on December 12, 2011, 08:58:19 AM
See, Napoleon. You have perfectly the right to disagree with any policy proposal, but your constantly demonizing some perfectly reasonable ones with such silly hyperboles, is the reason why a lot of people find you so annoying.


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on December 12, 2011, 09:10:41 AM
I am a little late to this party but I guess this means marijuana is legal in this forum government.... hardly anything "freedom lovers" love more then that

Everything's legal here.  You don't even have to pay taxes in one of our regions.

Which one?... I'm going to move

The Northeast, but that's only because we don't have a tax system in place yet.

Oh yeah, and what Teddy mentioned.  That's one of the few things you aren't allowed to do here without waiting.  I forget how long you have to wait, though.
I seem to remember something about one free move during the first few months after registration.


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: Napoleon on December 12, 2011, 09:14:10 AM
See, Napoleon. You have perfectly the right to disagree with any policy proposal, but your constantly demonizing some perfectly reasonable ones with such silly hyperboles, is the reason why a lot of people find you so annoying.

I'm just saying, the right is trying to cut doctor's pay by 3% but there's enough money for a cannabis prevention center? I don't get it.


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: ZuWo on December 12, 2011, 09:42:57 AM
See, Napoleon. You have perfectly the right to disagree with any policy proposal, but your constantly demonizing some perfectly reasonable ones with such silly hyperboles, is the reason why a lot of people find you so annoying.

I'm just saying, the right is trying to cut doctor's pay by 3% but there's enough money for a cannabis prevention center? I don't get it.

Marokai and Duke, who have introduced the Health Spending Adjustment Act you are referring to, are "the right"? I learn something new every day. ;)


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: Hash on December 12, 2011, 09:50:55 AM
The Mideast hates freedom, hence why I left.


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on December 12, 2011, 10:16:10 AM
See, Napoleon. You have perfectly the right to disagree with any policy proposal, but your constantly demonizing some perfectly reasonable ones with such silly hyperboles, is the reason why a lot of people find you so annoying.

I'm just saying, the right is trying to cut doctor's pay by 3% but there's enough money for a cannabis prevention center? I don't get it.

I don't necessarily agree with this either (I'd have to know what the current taxes are and how disincentivizing this would be), but I don't think one can reasonably say it's in any way a threat to freedom.


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: Yelnoc on December 12, 2011, 10:43:01 AM
You guys might want to check the language of that bill.  If you repeal the The Mideast Marijuana Taxation Act in item one, then item two is muddled.  What is the 20% tax increase based on if you have no baseline?  I know in fantasyland we don't have to worry about the repercussions of our actions, but in the real world this would actually open up the Mideast region to lawsuits by consumers who might argue that the bill only specifies that marijuana should be taxed at 20% its value, rather than 20% onto the original tax.

Food for thought :)


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: TJ in Oregon on December 12, 2011, 11:27:38 AM
No one knows what our taxes actually are on anything because we haven't passed a budget (it's been in the works for pretty much ever...). So yeah, in real life we would be open to a whole lot of lawsuits about a whole lot of things.


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: Simfan34 on December 12, 2011, 12:39:35 PM
I believed that many wanted to legalize marijuana in order to tax it and control it within the legal structure. I assumed that this legislative proposal was in line with such thinking. We already have state-supported anti-smoking and anti-drunkenness initiatives, so I don't see the problem with a Cannabis Prevention Center. I assume you would also oppose further taxation upon alcohol or cigarettes?

This proposal sounds sensible to me. I support keeping cannabis legal, as I do alcohol and tobacco products- I myself am a pipe smoker.  But governments are empowered to tax these products, and governments have the right to inform their people of the harms of such things.


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: Napoleon on December 12, 2011, 01:10:12 PM
I believed that many wanted to legalize marijuana in order to tax it and control it within the legal structure. I assumed that this legislative proposal was in line with such thinking. We already have state-supported anti-smoking and anti-drunkenness initiatives, so I don't see the problem with a Cannabis Prevention Center. I assume you would also oppose further taxation upon alcohol or cigarettes?

This proposal sounds sensible to me. I support keeping cannabis legal, as I do alcohol and tobacco products- I myself am a pipe smoker.  But governments are empowered to tax these products, and governments have the right to inform their people of the harms of such things.

I don't support sin taxes of any kind.


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on December 12, 2011, 03:13:30 PM
Unless I missed their repeal, it like these taxes are in effect nationally:
https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/National_Sin_Tax_Act
https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Amendment_to_the_Marijuana_Legalization_and_Taxation_Act


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on December 12, 2011, 04:59:45 PM
Unless I missed their repeal, it like these taxes are in effect nationally:
https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/National_Sin_Tax_Act
https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Amendment_to_the_Marijuana_Legalization_and_Taxation_Act

     Last I checked, the bill proposed by Duke & Marokai would repeal the latter one.


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: Yelnoc on December 12, 2011, 06:29:08 PM
No one knows what our taxes actually are on anything because we haven't passed a budget (it's been in the works for pretty much ever...). So yeah, in real life we would be open to a whole lot of lawsuits about a whole lot of things.
Perhaps y'all should tackle that before screwing with your excise taxes? ;)


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: ZuWo on December 13, 2011, 07:15:43 AM
Thanks for your valuable input everyone. It's unusual but very positive to see how basically the entire country helps to shape a single ME bill. ;)


Title: Re: Freedom lovers beware
Post by: Franzl on December 14, 2011, 08:09:59 PM

You left? Shows how much I follow this anymore.