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Title: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: Kevin on January 20, 2012, 04:27:33 PM
Let's be honest for all the press both of these groups get both on here and in RL, the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street are basically two groups representing the extreme's of the American political spectrum in many ways.

To begin with the first post-2008 mass political movement the Tea Party is basically the religious right in another form. For ex. seeing many of the people who are active in the Tea Party where I live are religious fanatic's who want to follow the constitution(leaving out the part about separation between church and state) or extreme types who believe the government shouldn't be involved in anything whether it be education or even the enforcement of the law or courts. Additionally, the main reason I garner from Tea Party supporter's on why they actually dislike Mitt Romney is not because "he flip flops" but because he is a Mormon who supported abortion, gun control, and gay right's in the past. This is pretty accurate I think, at least among their supporter's.

While Occupy is just as bad IMO, it's clear from looking at their leadership and rank and file member's that most of them range from far left anti-capitalist's like Communist's, hardcore Socialist's, Anarchists  etc to LaRoucher's, 9/11 Truther's, conspiracy theorist's obsessed with the Bilderburg's, Trilateral Commission, and other like minded elements. Besides most of the Occupier's I've met are ether punks or homeless anyways.

Does anyone think this is an accurate assessment I got here?

I think it also show's how seriously f**ked the political environment in this country is.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: Username MechaRFK on January 20, 2012, 05:13:05 PM
Occupy Wall Street deserves much better treatment then the above post. It's one of the better political movements in the country as of right now.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P! on January 20, 2012, 07:32:32 PM
Occupy Wall Street deserves much better treatment then the above post. It's one of the better political movements in the country as of right now.

They're all a bunch of racist astroturfers


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: courts on January 20, 2012, 09:08:24 PM
Yeah, not as nice as Chile's government amirite?


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: memphis on January 20, 2012, 09:27:49 PM
Worth pointing out that the things the Occupy people are concerned with have a basis in reality. Wealth inequality has greatly expanded, largely because of government policy. The intersection of organized money and politics is a major problem with the way our government is run. On the other side, the Tea Party is concerned with Obama's birth certificate and death panels. It's kind of a shame that everybody in the media wants to be so fair and neutral and equate the two. There's really no comparison.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: morgieb on January 22, 2012, 06:51:43 AM
At least OWS looks at real issues.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: greenforest32 on January 22, 2012, 08:25:36 AM
The 'Tea Party' isn't a real group, they're the same theocratic fiscal and social conservative Republicans we all know being astroturfed as a new legitimate grassroots movement by the plutocrats and their corporate-owned media.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/141098/tea-party-supporters-overlap-republican-base.aspx


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on January 22, 2012, 10:23:39 AM

Exactly. OWS people are people who perceive the fundamental injustice of our modern societies and translate it into an incoherent outburst of rage. They are understandable, even though don't really help solving the problem. The teabaggers on the other hand are the pure product of a despicable reactionary propaganda with no connection to real life. They believe they are fighting against the establishment when, in fact, they are its useful idiots.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: Mechaman on January 22, 2012, 10:41:29 AM

Exactly. OWS people are people who perceive the fundamental injustice of our modern societies and translate it into an incoherent outburst of rage. They are understandable, even though don't really help solving the problem. The teabaggers on the other hand are the pure product of a despicable reactionary propaganda with no connection to real life. They believe they are fighting against the establishment when, in fact, they are its useful idiots.

That and the OWS isn't merely a far left movement.  In fact there are more than a few conservatives I know who are part of the movement because they believe that OWS is an anti-partisan movement protesting political corruption.  To those who watch Faux News it probably seems like a bunch of communists and anti-capitalists or what not, but to those who actually research it there is a genuine anger within the movement.
Too bad OWS is too damn incoherent to really resonate with people.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: All Along The Watchtower on January 22, 2012, 03:20:00 PM
False equivalencies ftl.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: The_Texas_Libertarian on January 23, 2012, 10:38:22 AM
The tea party at the beginning was very different than what the tea party became. Initially I heard people angry over the bail outs.  However very early on the Tea Party had it's control taken over by conservative leaders.  Fox News told it's listeners to "go tea bag the White House".  Former Republican D.C. leaders who formed groups like FreedomWorks.  Billionaires poured millions into the Tea Party.  The Tea Party, like the Republican Party, was a very top down movement.  Showing up at a tea party event had the feeling you were expected to "learn your place, shut your face".  The hatred of the President is at the forefront of the Tea Party movement.

Occupy on the other hand was a grass roots movement.  When talking to occupy protesters it is clear that more than one issue brought them together.  That's why it was difficult for people to attack Occupy at the beginning because the issues talked about by Occupy weren't bumper sticker slogans.  The only thing that is close to resembling a slogan is "We are the 99%" and unlike the Tea Party that is not a policy position.  The Tea Party talked about being "Taxed enough already" and used that as a war cry to have their taxes lowered.  Occupy talked about the true economic problems in our country.


Although there are two very interesting similarities between Occupy and Tea Party.  One is that both appeared to be very middle class.  The tea party as the middle aged middle class folk and Occupy as the people who were children in the 90s who were in the middle class.  Both also wanted shine light on economic injustice.  The tea party wanted to blame D.C. and Occupy Wall Street wants to expose the collusion that occurs between D.C. and Wall Street with respects to legislation that only benefits a select few.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: Indy Prez on February 04, 2012, 02:22:32 PM

in A. It's all BS.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: Person Man on February 08, 2012, 08:30:34 PM
Occupy Wall Street deserves much better treatment then the above post. It's one of the better political movements in the country as of right now.

They're all a bunch of racist astroturfers

So, is the TEA Party basically the Ku Klux Klan of the 2010s?


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 08, 2012, 10:27:34 PM
The tea party is basically an extension of the Republican party. The Occupy movement is not an extension of the Democratic party.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: CelticHoosier1993 on February 14, 2012, 12:39:01 PM
I think Occupy and The Tea Party both tap into a growing frustration among average Americans. Bailouts and corporate welfare continue, while the state still claims we don't have enough money when it comes to things like providing care for 9/11 first responders. There is a problem, and both movements have different solutions. I think Occupy has positively changed the political discourse. I go to every Occupy I can, and enjoy conversing with other people there.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: General White on February 20, 2012, 04:03:02 PM
Occupy Wall Street deserves much better treatment then the above post. It's one of the better political movements in the country as of right now.

I agree.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: I'm JewCon in name only. on February 20, 2012, 08:44:47 PM
Tea Party > Occupy


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: Yelnoc on February 20, 2012, 09:40:28 PM
Occupy > Tea Party


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: TJ in Oregon on February 20, 2012, 09:56:23 PM
Both seem to bring out the worst in conservatism and liberalism as Americans know it. Both are angry protest movements with a certain degree of intellectual vapidness. I tend to prefer the Tea Party to Occupy simply becuase I at least agree with many of its members on some issues, but I don't particularly like either movement. Both seem to jump the shark way too often.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: Gass3268 on February 21, 2012, 02:51:48 PM
The socialist parts of Occupy >>> the racist bigots parts (about 99%) of the Tea Party


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: The_Texas_Libertarian on February 21, 2012, 08:35:50 PM
Both seem to bring out the worst in conservatism and liberalism as Americans know it. Both are angry protest movements with a certain degree of intellectual vapidness. I tend to prefer the Tea Party to Occupy simply becuase I at least agree with many of its members on some issues, but I don't particularly like either movement. Both seem to jump the shark way too often.

Both also demonstrate the passion of the base of the two movements, which is at least part of why they occasionally "bring out the worst" because passion can easily turn into anger when used improperly


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: Person Man on February 22, 2012, 03:43:41 PM
What was it figured? 40% of voters are Occupiers and 33% are Tea Baggers? I would go with about 60% of baggers being racists and 35% of Occupiers being socialists.  That would give us a racist population of 19.8% and a "socilist" population of  14%. That would make about 70% of liberals socialists, provided that all socialists are "liberals" and about 60% of conservatives as racists.  So, there you go. Something to think about as you think of these movements.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on February 29, 2012, 12:26:16 AM
The Occupy movement is growing fast.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on February 29, 2012, 11:32:42 PM
Occupy wall street isn't paying rent to stay in buildings. They don't bathe, work, or earn their own way. The tea party believes in the exact principles this country was founded on; life, liberty, pursuit of happiness. Why are they against people going to work? What do they care? If they do care, then why don't they start a business and compete? Where have they been during the cold months, or do they lack passion? This is what Obama meant by a "civilian army better funded than the U.S. military. Romney better have this in election ads to get people to connect the points.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on February 29, 2012, 11:35:36 PM
Occupy wall street isn't paying rent to stay in buildings.

That's hilarious, because Occupy Cincinnati just got a building TODAY where they pay rent each month.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on February 29, 2012, 11:41:00 PM
Occupy wall street isn't paying rent to stay in buildings.

That's hilarious, because Occupy Cincinnati just got a building TODAY where they pay rent each month.
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Yes with my tax dollars.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on February 29, 2012, 11:45:07 PM

Then prove it. Or kindly pipe down.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on February 29, 2012, 11:48:23 PM

See what I mean. I don't see anyone who is happy with their profession in that movement. My doctor isn't in occupy and neither is my attorney. I'm not and I'm only partly happy and successful. Also, I don't see college professors who advocate students to go there actually participating themselves.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: Person Man on March 02, 2012, 07:20:40 PM
The point is that they are a legitimate group with legitimate beliefs. Are you also trying to insinuate if you are not happy with your life, you shouldn't do anything about it? Are you a masochist? If so, don't look at me. I'm not into that stuff...:P


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: The_Texas_Libertarian on March 02, 2012, 08:45:24 PM

See what I mean. I don't see anyone who is happy with their profession in that movement. My doctor isn't in occupy and neither is my attorney. I'm not and I'm only partly happy and successful. Also, I don't see college professors who advocate students to go there actually participating themselves.

I like what I do for a living and I am an occupy person. 

Also why does someone have to be at a physical location to support certain political ideologies?  I'm sure there are plenty of people who believe/support the tea party positions who have never been to a tea party event. 

As for you paying the bill of Occupy Cincinnati, you still haven't backed up your assertion.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: Comrade Funk on March 02, 2012, 09:02:40 PM
Occupy is better. I'm interested to see what they do during the conventions.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 03, 2012, 09:18:44 PM
Occupy is better. I'm interested to see what they do during the conventions.

They'll play loud music, have an orgy, smoke weed, refuse to bathe, and act like they're doing something at the conventions. There will be almost as many arrests as were made at the Obama inaguration. You don't see that happening at tea party rallies.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: The_Texas_Libertarian on March 04, 2012, 10:15:59 AM

They'll play loud music, have an orgy, smoke weed, refuse to bathe, and act like they're doing something at the conventions. There will be almost as many arrests as were made at the Obama inaguration. You don't see that happening at tea party rallies.

That's because the Tea Party supports the establishment, the establishment sees no threat to the current power structure from the Tea Party.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 04, 2012, 02:26:53 PM

They'll play loud music, have an orgy, smoke weed, refuse to bathe, and act like they're doing something at the conventions. There will be almost as many arrests as were made at the Obama inaguration. You don't see that happening at tea party rallies.

That's because the Tea Party supports the establishment, the establishment sees no threat to the current power structure from the Tea Party.

Right it's not what they do, it's how it's perceived by authorities. Those tea partiers are such dirtbags but they'll always get a pass because they support the establishment. Tell Obama they support the establishment.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: The_Texas_Libertarian on March 04, 2012, 05:38:47 PM

Right it's not what they do, it's how it's perceived by authorities. Those tea partiers are such dirtbags but they'll always get a pass because they support the establishment. Tell Obama they support the establishment.

The President knows the Tea Party supports the establishment.  It is the same old conservative GOP talking points that have been used decade after decade after decade.

Tea Party supports the establishment wholeheartedly and is no threat to the current power structure. 


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: Person Man on March 04, 2012, 08:30:12 PM
Occupy is better. I'm interested to see what they do during the conventions.

They'll play loud music, have an orgy, smoke weed, refuse to bathe, and act like they're doing something at the conventions. There will be almost as many arrests as were made at the Obama inaguration. You don't see that happening at tea party rallies.

::) Just because so and so can't get laid doesn't mean they can brandish loaded guns at town hall meetings and stomp on the heads of liberal activists.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 15, 2012, 08:20:18 PM
Occupy is better. I'm interested to see what they do during the conventions.

They'll play loud music, have an orgy, smoke weed, refuse to bathe, and act like they're doing something at the conventions. There will be almost as many arrests as were made at the Obama inaguration. You don't see that happening at tea party rallies.

::) Just because so and so can't get laid doesn't mean they can brandish loaded guns at town hall meetings and stomp on the heads of liberal activists.

That was brilliant. You should run for president and use that line in every ad. Ok thanks


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: Pingvin on March 16, 2012, 04:46:51 AM
Tea Party > The socialist parts of Occupy


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: Stranger in a strange land on March 16, 2012, 12:52:39 PM
Occupy is better. I'm interested to see what they do during the conventions.

They'll play loud music, have an orgy, smoke weed, refuse to bathe, and act like they're doing something at the conventions. There will be almost as many arrests as were made at the Obama inaguration. You don't see that happening at tea party rallies.

Fun fact: there were ZERO arrests at Obama's inauguration:

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Inauguration/story?id=6683899&page=1#.T2N9fMxGwwE.

http://counterterrorismblog.org/2009/01/feds_zero_arrests_during_obama.php.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on March 16, 2012, 12:55:31 PM
Another fun fact: The Tea Party broke the law again and again but just never got arrested, because they have clout. I am a witness to this fact.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: MyRescueKittehRocks on March 22, 2012, 09:30:51 PM
Another fun fact: The Tea Party broke the law again and again but just never got arrested, because they have clout. I am a witness to this fact.

No they have not. It's the Occupiers who regularly broke laws and caused all sorts of property damage wherever they protest. To think the Tea Party supports the establishment is ludicrous. We want the government to get its act together, to cut the intervention in the economy, to address the grievances we have with,  and hopefully, abolish obamacare . Why is the Occupy Movement getting carte blanche regarding financial disclosures and the Tea Parties being unjustly hounded by the IRS without any Cassius Belli? Simple. Occupies financial backers are deeply entrenched in the administration. The Tea Party groups are truly grassroots often bankrolled by everyday citizens. That's what Obama and co are afraid of. The Establishment in BOTH PARTIES don't feel they should be held to account by the people. IIRC, Obama came in on a wave of wanting more transparency and we've gotten even less.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: The_Texas_Libertarian on March 30, 2012, 10:02:25 PM
Koch Brothers, Fox News, Glenn Beck, Dick Armey

There is little about the tea party that is grassroots.  The tea party serves to support the establishment.  They are conservative, they vote for conservatives, they vote for the same conservatives who have been in power for years.  Sometimes they overshoot in a few places in the country, Sharon Angle for example.  However they are nothing more than the GOP base by a different name

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: I'm JewCon in name only. on March 30, 2012, 11:50:56 PM
Another fun fact: The Tea Party broke the law again and again but just never got arrested, because they have clout. I am a witness to this fact.

lolwut?

Also, um...last time I checked...someone got raped at an Occupy protest, and a murder occurred at one too!

Also...um... an 80+ year old got pushed down the stairs at another protest.

And most recently, feces were thrown.

So...please, don't bash the Tea Party, when your side continues to prove that Liberalism is a joke.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on March 31, 2012, 12:01:31 AM
Another fun fact: The Tea Party broke the law again and again but just never got arrested, because they have clout. I am a witness to this fact.

lolwut?

Also, um...last time I checked...someone got raped at an Occupy protest, and a murder occurred at one too!

Also...um... an 80+ year old got pushed down the stairs at another protest.

And most recently, feces were thrown.

So...please, don't bash the Tea Party, when your side continues to prove that Liberalism is a joke.

Crime dropped during Occupy Oakland.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on March 31, 2012, 10:59:08 AM
Another fun fact: The Tea Party broke the law again and again but just never got arrested, because they have clout. I am a witness to this fact.

lolwut?

Also, um...last time I checked...someone got raped at an Occupy protest, and a murder occurred at one too!

Also...um... an 80+ year old got pushed down the stairs at another protest.

And most recently, feces were thrown.

All lies.


Title: Re: The Tea Party Vs. Occupy......
Post by: greenforest32 on April 03, 2012, 04:51:06 PM
The 'Tea Party' isn't a real group, they're the same theocratic fiscal and social conservative Republicans we all know being astroturfed as a new legitimate grassroots movement by the plutocrats and their corporate-owned media.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/141098/tea-party-supporters-overlap-republican-base.aspx

http://dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2012/3/29

Quote
Do you support or oppose lowering the tax rate for the wealthiest individuals and businesses from 35% to 25%?

All - 27% support, 64% oppose, 8% not sure
Democrat - 14% support, 80% oppose, 5% not sure
Republican - 42% support, 46% oppose, 11% not sure
Independent/Other - 27% support, 64% oppose, 9% not sure
Liberal - 9% support, 86% oppose, 4% not sure
Moderate - 17% support, 74% oppose, 8% not sure
Conservative - 48% support, 42% oppose, 10% not sure
Tea Party - 58% support, 34% oppose, 8% not sure
Non Tea Party    - 15% support, 78% oppose, 7% not sure
Not sure (if Tea Party) - 24% support, 60% oppose, 16% not sure