Talk Elections

I feel as if the social and economic right is poorly represented in the new party layout, and while they're not as great a proportion of the Atlasian voter body as they are elsewhere, I am founding the Communitarian Party of Atlasia. I'll draft a platform tomorrow, but meanwhile, you can enjoy these proposed logos:

I like your plan and your logos. Maybe we as conservatives can continue the discussion of what path we would like to purse in the "Right to Life Caucus" thread?

I doubt that I could ever join your party, but maximum respect for those beautiful logos.

United We Stand!
Ladies and Gentelmen, I hereby propose merger of Whig Party and CPA.

I am interested in a Communitarian Party even though I may be too far right economically to fit that description in the most superficial political sense (though I maintain many of my underlying instincts have been communitarian in nature since before I knew what communitarian was). If the RPP dissolution goes through, I will give this party serious consideration.

I'm not quite sure where you're going with this, but I'm interested.

Define 'family.'

We, the members of the Communitarian Party, desirous of the advancement of the state of Atlasia, our country, and the preservation of its society, believe:

-That the foundation of a democratic, peaceful, and prosperous society is the family and community.
-That we simultaneously re-affirm the idea of personal responsibility, aided via the community.
-That the greatest long-term crisis facing Atlasia today is the decline of social capital and community, which shall eventually come to harm that democratic, peaceful, and prosperous society we enjoy.
-That greatest power in the land is not the State, whether Federal or Regional, but instead the community and the individual.

-That the government is not the arbiter nor origin of economic growth, but rather a force than can and should be used to assisted the marketplace in its growth, in the interests of community and the nation.
-That the model of free and unrestricted two-way trade is the optimal model for trade between nations
-That the government is, by nature, the power that can best provide certain resources and services to society.
-The government should regulate trade and industry to maximize social equity, while in a manner that does not impede the normal functioning of the economy
-That welfare is meant to temporarily assist, not provide for, the people

-That Atlasia must be mindful of its being the world's foremost power
-That military conflict, in general, is counter to the well-being of man and thus must be avoided unless necessary
-That diplomacy, not warfare, is the cornerstone of foreign relations
-That multilateralism and collective security- a community of nations- is the best way to advance Atlasia's interests abroad
-That the goals set out in foreign interventions must be achieved.

-That the maintenance of tradition is an integral part of society
-That the concepts of "rights" and "entitlements" must be balanced by an awareness of responsibilities obligations to others
-That the life of all must be defended, and so both executions and abortion must be made rare
-That the promotion of culture and science is an integral function of society and its organizations.

Bullsh-t

I really like this platform. Once the RPP dissolves, I may join the CPA!

Fellow members of the Right to Life Caucus, wouldn't it be a good idea to join this new party?

I need to know more about foreign policy... this sounds based on UN and seems a bit isolationist

How would this party feel about Iran developing a nuke?

We dislike military intervention, but when it is necessary we shall use it.

We stand opposed to Iran's development of a nuclear weapon, and while we would prefer a diplomatic solution, all option must be considered.

I can support that policy though I would be on the hawk side... I  thing the Whig Party would be a better name... Communitarian sounds a bit strange

Too close to "communist", huh? ;)

I don't care about the name of that party at all. I just want to join a conservative party, and I like the platform Simfan has proposed.

That's what I was thinking yes- I think it needs a name change but I am happy with platform also. Pingvin and I are the only two Whig members I believe and we talked about merging but the name should change...

Take that last part out, and this becomes very tempting for me.

I suggest the following: Let's not bother with the wording of every single clause of the party's platform yet. Let's first decide if the general idea to form such a conservative party is a good idea, and once we settled that question we can still vote on specifics of the platform.

I was not necessarily opposing gay marriage, but literally saying "tradition must be considered". I am more than willing to strike that from the platform.

Clarence: the party is called the Communitarian Party because it is a communitarian party. An economically rightist one, yes but communitarian and Christian-democratic nonetheless.

What do you mean by "tradition must be considered", then?

I'm unfamiliar with the term... but I think these are all minor issues we can settle at our first convention

No problem. I will of course launch the party if we can have at least five members.

Well consider me in!

Welcome, and I hope more people register with us!

We now have a wiki page!

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Communitarian_Party

I'm also proposing we oppose the death penalty. And are we up for gay marriage?

I was ok with it for Right to Life but that is because it is consistent with the caucus and there were more important issues I felt... I won't raise a fuss about it if we change the name to Whig Party :-)

Gay Marriage has been legal in Atlasia for some time now, so trying to outlaw it would be a bit of a political reach IMO (and that's quite an understatement). To be honest, I think you ought to delete that entire line from the platform since it doesn't actually say anything coherent in the first place.

In the same light, I don't see why you would raise the issue of the death penalty because it has also been illegal in Atlasia for a long time. There is no political will to legalize it, either. Taking stands on political non-issues isn't a great way to attract people to a party; it only pushes away those who marginally agree.

I agree with TJ's sentiments on gay marriage... not only from a practicality view for from ideology also

I might join if I get involved in the game.

Great party idea, though.

Get involved! The more the merrier!

If they are non-issues, then they can be left out.


We respect the traditional family. That's pretty much it. I'd like to see some more sign-ups so we can get a convention to hammer out a platform.

It's like United Colors of Benetton.

I'm in now!
But communitarian sounds bad for me.

I didn't really get involved with much before, just voting for RPP candidates occasionally. I'm going to join you guys here and try to get more involved this time!

I agree Pingvin

If you do decide to join, you can always push to have it renamed the 'Populist Party' or something to that effect. 

:( Pigs are fun and all, but...

I heard the suggestion of "Whig" party mentioned. Sounds much better than communitarian. When I hear "Communitarian", I imagine some nice cozy little welfare state somewhere in Europe, very small and very insignificant and with a decidedly leftist tilt. My mental image for "Whig" is Henry Clay or Abe Lincoln wading through the mud stoidly in Kentucky or something, charging boldly and ruggedly ahead in the wilderness, fighting for internal improvements and other stuff. Whig is much better.

Seeing as the RPP is dissolving, I'll put this on my list of parties I'm consider joining.

As the left-communitarian chairman of another new party (the Social Democratic Union (name subject to change) out of the old JCP), I just want to say that although this party has a somewhat more right-communitarian bent than I'd be comfortable with joining even if I were not the party chairman of another one, I think it's a great idea and I wish you the best of luck and hope we can work well together.

Communitarianism is an ideology that stresses the importance of the community as an organic social unit, and advocates moral values and tradition.

Parties arent named after their ideology usuually or we would have the Conservative and Liberal parties, not the Republican and Democratic parties. A Whig Party could have a communitarian ideology

I'm totally fine with the Whig Party- but we can see at a convention.

Do we have the registered members to hold convention now?

We should held a vote for Convention Host City. My proposal - Philadelphia, PA!

I'd say we should wait for more members to join the party before we hold a convention - if there are more people willing to join this party.

ZuWo I read in another post that the Liberal Party is very structured thus members are flocking their way... maybe if we get organized we can get more members. You are right that there may be a ceiling to how many folks theres willing to join our conservative party

Now THAT'S scary.

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What do we think? We currently have 6 members- can we get to 10?

Which part is scary to you- community, morals, or tradition? It is sccary that you find those scary!

I'll probably join, but the name "Whig Party" is terrible.

Love this logo Simfan! I have tried to make logos for my campaign on logovictory.com and they do not turn out as well as this. I propose we move to convention and members can join and be eligible at once to vote

Why? It's a kickass name!

Which one did you prefer? Or what name would you like?

If you're a bunch of ineffectual early-1800s old people who never win an election.

I don't find any of those things scary, I found the wording scary.

What is "morality" in terms of values? I'd like to know that.

I love it!

For me this is in terms of abortion, humanitarian foreign intervention, preserving government assistance of the poor who are unable to help themselves, etc

We want people to act as respectful, social citizens, and would like to stem the loss of "social capital"- as it is an important part of democracy. Morality is very basic- normal, respectful behavior that helps to better others as well as yourself.

EDIT: And what Clarence said.

I prefer a party name that says a least a bit about your goals and ideology. The CPA was fine with me, but apparently people didn't like that one. You could revive the CDP or something, but most anything would be better than Whig.

Why?  Old F***** Badasses of all sorts (and lots of war heroes) were members of the real one; Zachary Taylor, Winfield Scott, Bob Dole, Strom Thurmond, Ronald Reagan; theres so many kick-ass motherf****ers to choose from!

Humanitarian foreign intervention? Well intentioned, but it can lead to nation building. Are you in favor of that?

By "real one", am I to assume you're including the Republican party? (doubtlessly, Bob Dole would've been in the Whig party were it alive today. Why? I dunno. He just seems that way. RR and ST are more questionable) But yes, there were some badasses in it back in those days. I'd love to see a Zachary Taylor lives scenario where he marches right into the South and kicks ass.

Absolutely not- having been on civic action teams in Vietnam where men were killed on a mission to build a school house, I do not want to ever get bogged down on nation building. I have made that very clear in my campaign for Senate also

I see. But do you agree that it is difficult nowadays to enter a nation with "humanitarian" intent and leave without at least contributing to some kind of nation-building? Is there any morality in enter a country, helping them topple an oppressive regime, for instance, and then leaving?

This is why we support multilateralism. We go in, do what we need to do, and have peacekeepers maintain the peace while we continue with aid and capacity-building programs.

I believe yes- by humanitarian I mean genocide. I do not believe in intervening in a civil war or a dictatorship unless it becomes genocide. If we put an end to genoide and then hand over power to a group of tribal leaders, that is success.  Nation building is FAR more then setting up a government... it involves building schools and community buildings. In Afghanistan a major mission of our Navy right now is to subsidize and deliver crops to prevent rural farmers from getting into the opium trade- I would never want to get into things like that

Humanitarian aid does not generally refer to entering a nation and helping topple an oppressive regime. It usually is more related to things like sending malayria nets to poor African villages that can't afford them or something like Haiti's earthquake relief. Sometimes we fund military groups or UN peacekeeping missions. I think these things often result in us ending up in fewer wars if done correctly.

Which is why I said "for instance."

Indeed. Locals can do that, with Atlasian aid and international peacekeepers. No major intervention is needed.

And while I don't mean to be rude, 20RP12, I think it's safe to say you won't be joining us. Can we not continue this in Political Debate? We need to organize our party.

I see.

In other news, we have a majority in the IDS legislature. :D

Do we? Who else aside from me and Pingvin?

And the IDS legislature has 3 members! :)

Not anymore... just passed bill to move up to 5. Yelnoc, Teddy, and Taft4Prez are also members

You're tied with the Liberals! :)

Fine, Ill join. There'll soon be an official announcement in my office.

xCathcon

:(

Well I knew of Yelnoc, but... hmmm... we can say we are major!

Hurray, Cathcon!

Welcome, I'm glad to have you on board! Don't forget to make it official by registering in the "New Register Thread", though. ;)

Welcome, A-Bob!

For registering purposes, are Whig or communitarian?

Right now, Communitarian. The name has not yet been changed.

Bah. Whatever, I shall still be registering with this party, whatever its name is (within reason).

Should there be a wiki page put up? Being the egotist that I am, I update my atlas wiki in order to account for my more recent return to the Assembly and for today's party change. Should there be a page that "Communitarian Party of Atlasia" can link to?

Also, there's a party color discussion going on. Sky Blue is being fought for it looks like, forest and light green are taken, and there's a socialist party which'll probably get red or orange or something. Ideas?

Navy?

I used royal purple- like the guy in the middle of our logo.

As the chairman of said socialist party I suggested either maroon or some sort of dusty pink, but I'll keep you posted in case you guys want orange or gold (the traditional Christian Democratic colors in a lot of Europe).

ETA: You guys can use orange if you'd like. We're having a thread to decide between maroon and two different shades of pink.

The Communitarian Party's first Convention shall take place in Philadelphia, PA from Wednesday, February 1 to Tuesday, February 7 at the Pennsylvania Convention Center. The Schedule is as follows:

Wednesday, February 1
12pm-6pm: Early registration
7pm: Cocktail reception at Philadelphia Marriott

Thursday, February 2
10am-4pm: Registration
2pm: Visit and speeches at University of Pennsylvania School of Engineering
6pm: Opening Address
8-10pm: Plenary session

Friday, February 3

2pm: Speeches
3pm-6pm: Plenary session
8pm: Dinner reception at Convention Center

Saturday, February 4

10am-2pm: Plenary session
4pm-6pm: Plenary session
8pm: Philadelphia Symphony performance of Rimsky-Korsakov's Sheherazade  

Sunday, February 5

3pm: Visit and speeches at Philadelphia Museum of Art
8pm: Dinner reception at  ?

Monday, February 6

10-1pm: Plenary session
2pm: Luncheon at Philadelphia Museum of Art
3pm-6pm: Plenary session

Tuesday, February 7

12-4pm: Plenary session
6pm: Closing banquet

Hope to see you all there!

Why don't we just begin now? February elections are soon... might as well get the ball rolling

I say wait for the two parties to formally dissolve, and allow more members to join. We need time to gather ideas, then we can vote on them at once and get it all straightened out. I think it's preferable to throwing them about and when we're about to close the convention someone says "OH I thought of this!".

I think we ought to have conversations about elections... aren't they February 9?

For the Presidency, I think endorsing ZuWo is the obvious choice. He's a member, he's already a candidate, and he's got a running-mate that can appeal to people outside the party base.

The convention ends on the 7th, which gives us enough time. And of course, we'll be endorsing ZuWo.

That is a given... but aren't ther eother elections?

Yes. Do you have endorsements in mind?

I am not even sure what is up for election... I am still a newboy here :O

The regional Senate elections will be held.

These are the incumbents:

Pacific - bgwah
Midwest - Marokai
Mideast - MOPolitico
South - NCYankee
Northeast - Napoleon (will not run for re-election)

Personally, I'd endorse Marokai in the MW (very far away from us ideologically speaking but an active and dedicated Atlasian - plus there's no rightist in the MW anyway), MOPolitico in the Mideast (member of the Liberal Party but a pragmatic centrist who can work with people on the right and the left), Yankee in the South (the obvious choice).

But maybe there's a fellow communitarian who wants to run for a Senate seat? Note that with TJ in Cleve we already have 1 Senator.

Simfan for Senate?.... heh. In any case, I'm not sure that we should endorse people without their implicit approval... but I think that's a decent list.

I agree with that. Of course, those who want an endorsement from the CPA should actually care to ask our party for one. I propose we only endorse those candidates who are

1. worthy of our support and
2. are interested in our endorsement

Maybe the CPA endorsement is toxic in certain Atlasian regions, so each candidate is free to ask for our endorsement or not.

Exactly what I was thinking. I hope we're not limited to the South and Mideast- we seem to heading down that path.

Oh, and welcome MQuinn!

To reduce confusion I am going to refer to the party as the "Whig-Communitarian Party" pending a final decision. 

I would love an endorsement from the Whig-Communitarian Party, fwiw :).

Duly noted. Might you join us? :)

I have no real personal or political opposition to MOPolitico, so I'm good.

I'll keep your offer in mind, but I'm good where I am for right now :).

Simfan should run for something, imo.

To be honest, I didn't even realize we were all disolving parties, and I'm a bit confused.  But this group looks cool and they've got a neat logo, so what heck... I'll join.

Are you joining us! Hurray for Inks! Welcome!

Let's extend a warm welcome to former President Tmthforu94!

Was the assembly of a wiki page discussed in full?

Thanks! :) And now, welcome JCL. :P Indiana is now 100% CPA!

I hope he joins! And a warmest welcome to realisticidealist, our first Pacific member! We'll be the largest in no time!

Cathcon: I did make one up, any comments?

SimFan: Your hopes are realized. We need so-cons who also think it wise to address fiscal issues from a small government reform minded perspective.

Welcome to the party-

Marvelous! Welcome aboard, and we are now the largest party in Atlasia! (tied for it, at least)

Here's something small I came up with for the possible structure of this party. If you didn't notice, it's pretty much a page from the RPP book. ;)


Personally, while it's nice to have a title (Believe me, I've been there myself) I'm not too big on having a bunch of positions when you could easily consolidate them. This would allow us to maintain a solid, central structure while also being able to maintain strong blocs in each region, IMO.

I'm open to suggestions, this is just a rough draft. It'd be up to the party on whether or not regional chairmen should be elected or appointed.

I believe Chair and Vice Chair should have to face election rather then approval... look at how many bad judges are thrown out each year by that practice- not enough

I feel like they're synonymous- we vote regularly, as if it was another term.

Votes of approvals make it harder to dump incumbents... I don't care much but that is a side effect

I understand your argument - it is more difficult. My main reason for including it is this - Party Chairman and Vice Chairman are crucial positions, and we need solid, consistent people in both positions. Having simple elections for it brings politics into it, and as we all know, sometimes the most popular person is elected, not the person who does the best job. This would just ensure that the Chair and Vice Chair are voted on based on their merits and how well they've done.

If the party wants to take a different route, though, I accept whatever decision is made. :)

Thank you. It looks quite nice.

I agree with Tmthforu on this. Having elections for party chair often would lead to some sort of musical chairs effect and get in the way if we have a good chairman. Having an approval vote makes more sense for this position in my opinion.

Some ideas:


Chairman-wise, I sympathize with both viewpoints, but I do think it's important to have a degree of constancy.


Thanks!

In terms of actual voting, the schedule shall be this:

Thursday, February 2: Members will be presented with a ballot on the party symbols (name, color,  etc) Voting will last for four days

Saturday, February 4: Midnight is deadline for endorsement nominations. Endorsement voting will begin and will last until end of convention

Sunday, February 4: Midnight is deadline for leadership nominations. Leadership voting will begin and will last until end of convention

Monday, February 6: All other issues will be voted upon, which will last until the end of convention.

Tuesday, February 7: End of convention, formally at midnight.

EDIT: I am cancelling the visit to the PMA on Sunday. It will be joined with the luncheon on Monday. Sunday morning and afternoon will be free. There will be a buffet reception at the Franklin Institute on Sunday in its place.

Do you mind if I borrow the basic format for your convention?

Not at all. Engorge yourself in festivity! And get the party's house in order! :D

It seems as if I'm going to join the CPA
(though the French word for "communitarian" is ugly :P).

Welcome! Thankfully we don't speak French in Atlasia. We speak 'tlasian.

I think this makes us the largest- Hurray!

Minor "note": The Franklin Institute visit is now on Friday. I forgot that the Super Bowl was on Sunday! We now have a brunch. Families are welcome!

This is merely meant as a suggestion, but in case Yankee will not run for another term as Senator of the South, would any of our Southerners like to run for that seat? Clarence, for example? I mean, having one Senator (TJ) is nice, but if a realistic opportunity to gain more seats arises, we should at least give it a try.

Can't wait till Wednesday! :)

May I join as a non-elected member? I'll run for the next opening that occurs in the IDS.

Welcome!

I've seen you've done that, so welcome to the club of the cool community of Atlasians!

Thanks, man. Just tel me how to vote initially and I'll take it from there.

This will be fun. I agree with most of SimFan's proposed platform, and I love the name. This is going to be a great movement.

As in what to vote for or how?

How? You'll be presented with ballots during the convention, on which you will vote. You can make nominations.

For what? That's up to you. :)

I meant whom to vote for, as in the presidential elections.

Thanks man, once again. :)

We should vote for the only candidate, who happens to be our candidate- ZuWo!

I'm Zany for ZuWo!

I'm going to suggest at the convention, beginning tomorrow, that we take a moderated approach to our platform, as well as focus more on game reform. Just throwing it out there, so don't be shocked. ;)

I disagree. A bland message of game reform would mot be worthy of our centre-right ideals.

What suggest is to put our main focus on game reform while also reaffirming our support for tradition.

You know that we can do both, right guys?

Before the convention, here's some points I believe that need to be in the final platform.

• We believe that although the rights of the indivigual are sacrosanct, we believe that the family is the fundamental social unit on which the community is based.
• Life is perhaps the most important civil right any human possesses. Thus, we seek to guarantee legal rights to the indivigual beginning from conception.
• Our current executive branch is outdated, and in desperate need for reform. We support the direct, seperate election of the vice president and other cabinet members in to make sure the best and brightest, rather than pawns of the president, serve in such capacities.
• We believe firmly in the Atlasian concept of federalism. The recognition of rights of the several regions to govern in their own affairs is necessary for the maintenance of liberty for the citizens, as well as a check on the power of the federal government.
  
• We believe that equality of opportunity trumps equality of outcome. The later tends to lead to tyranny, and the loss of indivigual liberties.

Okay, SimFan. We won't get too excited.

I think we should clarify, firstly, that abortion should be an issue left more to the regions, and will not be actively pursued at the federal level.

Direct elections of cabinet members isn't a good idea, IMO.

MasterSanders, I agree with all but the third point- the cabinet should be able to trusted and able to consult the President. I also agree that abortions should be left to the regions, although I would like to see some kind of condemnation, even if (and preferably) a mild one.

I'm good with that.

Marvelous!

Definitely, though I disagree with the wording "a mild one". A large wing of this party has emerged from the Right to Life Caucus, so the protection of the unborn must be one of our main goals, and the condemnation of abortion an unambiguous case.
I generally urge caution about adopting "moderate stances" in our platform. If we become vague in an attempt to reach out to as many voters as possible, we actually contravene the basic idea behind the mutual dissolution of the RPP and the JCP by laying the foundation for becoming the next big-tent party on the right.
This should be a socially and economically conservative party. We believe in our conservative values, so why should we try to hide or mitigate them?

Yes... this is very concerning Simfan. Santorum quoted Lincoln a while back and said "no state has the right to commit moral wrongs." For those of us who are firmly pro-life this stance would be a dealbreaker

I think if we make abortion, especially at the federal level, a top issue of this party, unfortunately, we'll be setting ourselves up for political suicide.

That may not be right, but that's how it is.

I get politics...I am just concerned with wanting to go as mild as can be

Revelation 3:15

I don't think anyone wants to make it front and center. We just need to keep a plank that affirms our pro-life stance.

I think we should advocate at the federal level for abortion to be a regional issue and at the regional level to ban/heavily restrict abortion. While we don't need to turn this into a one-issue party, I don't think we have much to gain by completely shying away from taking a stand. I don't think it's much of a secret that most of this party's membership is pro-life.

I agree. Reaffirm our pro-life stance while pushing for game reform.

You think we could entertain a plank that would grant members the right to join several caucuses?

I got the indication from ZuWo that abortion should be one of our main concerns.

I think abortion can be an issue for the Right To Life Caucus to pursue, but not the party. That's how the RPP pretty much handled it.

I believe our opposition to abortion should be a central issue to this party in that we unequivocally state in our platform that we oppose it, but I agree that it is an issue we should handle at the regional level.

I guess nearly 100% of the party members are pro-life anyway, so we should communicate that to the Atlasian people. This ain't the RPP, we should not aim at becoming a big tent party. ;)

ZuWo, I believe we could build a broad coalition if not a big tent if we present a bold platform of game reform. I agree with Isaac on pushing for.certain changes in the game, such as popular election of the vice president. As I mentioned earlier, an easier way to build multi-partisan coalitions on certain votes before the Senate would be to allow participants to be in several caucuses at once. We might create a sort of "Contract with Atlasia," showcasing our proposals to fix the system.

I totally agree with your stance on game reform. I, too, support a separate election of the Vice President and would like to allow people to be members of several caucuses. Indeed, I believe game reform should be an important plank of our party. I just want to make sure we don't deny our conservative views on issues such as abortion just because most Atlasians disagree with us on them. Our pro-life stance should appear in our platform, that's all I am asking for.

Absolutely.

With all due respect, I have severe problems then being in a party that's focusing hard on social issues - I think it is a mistake, and its alienating a lot of people from the party. I wasn't under the impression this would be a "far-right" party, Atlasia-speaking.

We're talking about the issue of abortion here and discuss whether we should mention it in our platform or not. To my knowledge, there is no one in this party who is pro-choice. Why should we not state our opposition in the platform, then? Should we just keep quiet about our pro-life stances because we are afraid of alienating people outside of the party? I'm not saying abortion should be our sole concern, not at all. But it should be stated that a clear majority (if not everyone) in the party opposes abortion.

Additionally, there are numerous people outside of the Whig-Communitarian Party - my running mate is an example - who are pro-life as well. Opposition to abortion, while a minority stance in Atlasia, is not that "far right".

Yeah, almost everyone here is pro-life, but we're not going to be able to expand as much as we want to with a focus on this issue. I with the Right To Life caucus just just focus on it, and not let it be part of the national platform. I didn't win my Presidential election (one of the only social conservatives to do so) by focusing on social issues - I won by my charm ;) and focus on game reform and economics.

How much do "we" want to expand? If we attempt to become a party like the RPP which attracts basically everyone ranging from people on the far-right to centrists and even libertarians, we won't do the dissolution idea any favor. On the contrary, the goal of the dissolution process was to create smaller and ideologically more closely defined parties. That's why our platform should be meaningful and we must take a clear stand on the issues.

The national platform should represent all wings (Right to Life and Game Reform) of the party. Not including the issue of abortion in the platform would make as much sense as not including game reform issues.

Hold it!

ZuWo, I agree that we should include a pro-life plank in the platform.

Isaac, I agree that our single focus should not be on social issues.

Look, we can have our cake (pro -life plank), and eat it too (broad appeal through game reform).

Agreed. MasterSanders hits it out of the ball park. I founded this party, if this helps anyone, intending it to be a center right party that really emphasized the communitarian aspect. I think we do need a broad platform, as I think a fairly wide ranging base is going to be necessary for survival. At this juncture the failure of this party would mean the failure of the Atlasian Right in the short term.

Talk about social issues, talk about morality- I would not support a platform without those. But let's focus upon strengthening communities and social capital, as we are the Whig-Communitarian Party, and benefits of doing so.

While I think concerns about us being a "far right" party are unfounded- it's virtually nonexistent here- I was looking to form a decidedly non-libertarian right-wing party.

But we can stick to our guns and be broad-based. We have to. We just have to do it right.

As for caucuses, I'd like to see a level of central control that inhibits the kind of independence that allowed them to break away from the JCP and RPP- at least in the short term while we sort things out. We shouldn't be running in different directions just quite yet. :)

Besides a platform, could.we draw a list of practical, short-term proposals?

It's hilarious when you talk about forming a broad ranged coalition and at the same time yell out to a constituency that you don't want our votes.

Well you're welcome Simfan.  This party will never ever get my vote.

^^^This is what I'm talking about.

Mechaman wins Atlasia. You can all go home now.

We should reach out with the ideas of game reform while not relenting on our plank of fighting for pro-life causes. Also what about the rights of the individual regions? If we are the successor of the RPP, this should be an important matter.

I have- literally- been saying this since the first post. The economically conservative and  socially libertarian right is being represented by the IFP and the Moderate Party. This party was founded on representing another group. Now I think that group covers a large body of Atlasians. And I think that we should appeal to that body. But I don't think this party should contort itself into something it's not.

Our party needs to oppose the anti-conscription bill in the Senate... it weakens our national defense capability considerably

Why is the idea of a volunteer military a bad one? You would gain a stronger and more content military in regards of morale. What we need is stronger personal morality instilled in our fighting men and women.

I would support the illegalization of conscription, with the exception of cases of war. The defense of the nation in times of war is a priority- if morale suffered, it would be, in my mind, a suitable sacrifice for our security.

Conscription is a necessary tool to have at our disposal

And what do you mean by your last statement... ?

My brain hurts...

Could we amend the law that would allow for wartime conscription?

The one on morality in our fighting men and women? If we are a conservative party, wouldn't we want to teach personal morality to our fighting men and women? Also, I know what I'm about to say will get me blasted like crazy but I must say it..... Banning gays from military service.

Do you not believe our service members have personal morality?

Why would we want to do that?

Wait!

Let's not get distracted over whether our servicemen need moral teaching, or whether gays should be banned. Let's discuss the party's official position on the Anti-conscription bill.

I say we should work for a compromise that would allow for a draft only in wartime.

I say we work to defeat it and if we have to settle for a compromise then so be it...

That is my mentality with all this and in life- push for what you want and if need be settle, but don't push with delicate hands. Come heavy or not at all

If a compromise can not be reached, then yes, Clarence, we should vote against it.

Amen

Clarence, I admire your attitude.

Thanks brother- likewise

I think Clarence is right- let's push back as hard as we can, even if we don't get a full defeat, we can force a compromise.

Let's also be sure to codify our position on this in the platform.

I believe many do seek to live morally virtuous lives. Sadly many around the world who serve in our military do not.

Would I support conscription in wartime as a compromise? I actually would.

Does one have to be a morally virtuous person on issues unrelated to shooting the enemy, human rights, and nation building to be allowed into the armed services?

There was a time in American history where these matters were far more important than building other people's nations.

I'm talking in the hypothetical. As long as a gay member of the military doesn't start hitting on another military member, and as long as other certain deeds go undone while on active duty, I don't see a problem with it.

I propose, since we have Clarence as a Whig Senator, to begin drafting a formal platform.

I agree, and I suggest we take up Simfan's draft that he posted on the first page and change it wherever a majority of party members think it is necessary:

We, the members of the Communitarian Whig Party, desirous of the advancement of the state of Atlasia, our country, and the preservation of its society, believe:

-That the foundation of a democratic, peaceful, and prosperous society is the family and community.
-That we simultaneously re-affirm the idea of personal responsibility, aided via the community.
-That the greatest long-term crisis facing Atlasia today is the decline of social capital and community, which shall eventually come to harm that democratic, peaceful, and prosperous society we enjoy.
-That greatest power in the land is not the State, whether Federal or Regional, but instead the community and the individual.

-That the government is not the arbiter nor origin of economic growth, but rather a force than can and should be used to assisted the marketplace in its growth, in the interests of community and the nation.
-That the model of free and unrestricted two-way trade is the optimal model for trade between nations
-That the government is, by nature, the power that can best provide certain resources and services to society.
-The government should regulate trade and industry to maximize social equity, while in a manner that does not impede the normal functioning of the economy
-That welfare is meant to temporarily assist, not provide for, the people

-That Atlasia must be mindful of its being the world's foremost power
-That military conflict, in general, is counter to the well-being of man and thus must be avoided unless necessary
-That diplomacy, not warfare, is the cornerstone of foreign relations
-That multilateralism and collective security- a community of nations- is the best way to advance Atlasia's interests abroad
-That the goals set out in foreign interventions must be achieved.

-That the maintenance of tradition is an integral part of society
-That the concepts of "rights" and "entitlements" must be balanced by an awareness of responsibilities obligations to others
-That the life of all must be defended, and so both executions and abortion must be made rare
-That the promotion of culture and science is an integral function of society and its organizations.

I have strong issue with the foreign policy plank... multilateralism should not be the goal- I believe we must remain the world's only superpower

One can have both- cooperation through leadership.

I agree Simfan- but I believe multilateralism implies we want other nations to match out strength... unless I don't understand the term?

Nope, multilateralism is just that you behave in a cooperative way, not only on your own in every case.
Of course, when it's needed, even a multilateral policy, you keep your right to act on your own.

And it's written "the best way": not the only one.

BUMP!
It is time now for leadership election, IMO.
I draft Simfan for Chairman and humbly Myself for Vice-Chairman.

Is Simfan still here?

His last visit was yesterday.

What I mean is- does he still participate in the Fantasy elections

I do, but I think it would in the best interests of the Party if I were to stand aside.

I'm running for Chair then. Any other candidates?
Also, I would like to see Clarence as Vice-Chair, Simfan as Northeast Chair, ZuWo as Mideast chair, Master Sanders as IDS Chair, realisticidealist as Pacific chair.

Shall we have a vote on the Chair of the Party? Pingvin is the only interested candidate.

I vote for Pingvin as Chair and nominate ZuWo as Vice Chair

I think it's about time for the party to vote on the platform, the bylaws and the Chair/Vice Chair. Regarding the bylaws, here's the bylaws TJ drafted for the "Right to Life Caucus":


We should amend these bylaws to a certain extent, but I think it serves as a good model for our party bylaws.

Here's a suggestion for our party bylaws (I removed the "honorary member" clauses from the draft and replaced the term "caucus" by "party"):


Comments?

I fully support this platform.

I support this platform and second the nomination of Pingvin and ZuWo.

I also agree with this platform.

I have no formal authority to do that, but since the Whig Party should finally get a clear structure, I hereby call for a vote of the Chair and Vice Chair as well as the bylaws. If someone disagrees with my semi-legal activity, please complain. ;) I suggest the vote shall last for 5 days.

Chair:

[ ] Pingvin
[ ] Write-in: ____________________

Vice Chair:

[ ] ZuWo
[ ] Write-in: ____________________

Bylaws*:

[ ] Yes
[ ] No

*

Chair:

[1] Pingvin
[ ] Write-in: ____________________

Vice Chair:

[1] ZuWo
[ ] Write-in: ____________________

Bylaws*:

[1] Yes
[ ] No

Hey bud, do me a favor and either check in with the legislature or resign.  Or at the very least respond to your PMs.

Chair:

[1] Pingvin
[ ] Write-in: ____________________

Vice Chair:

[1] ZuWo
[ ] Write-in: ____________________

Bylaws*:

[1] Yes
[ ] No

Chair:

[X] Pingvin
[  ] Write-in: ____________________

Vice Chair:

[X] ZuWo
[  ] Write-in: ____________________

Bylaws*:

[X] Yes
[  ] No

Pingvin

ZuWo

Yes

Chair:

[1] Pingvin
[ ] Write-in: ____________________

Vice Chair:

[1] ZuWo
[ ] Write-in: ____________________

Bylaws*:

[1] Yes
[ ] No

Voting has ended.

Pingvin has been elected Chair of the Whig Party.

ZuWo has been elected Vice Chair of the Whig Party.

The bylaws have been accepted.

Thank You, Fellow Whigs!

Congrats, Pingvin. I am optimistic that despite your election our party is not going to plunge into fascism. ;)

I suggest we proceed now with a debate and, eventually, a vote on the party's platform.

Congratulations you both-

As a reminder, this is the platform Simfan has written. Please have a look at it and comment. Is there anything you aren't happy with here? Does anything have to be changed, corrected, specified etc.?

I still object to the use of the term multilateralism- and I would like to propose the following line...

-That the military and its traditions are a fundamental aspect of our heritage and national identity

I have no objection to the line proposed by clarence.

I think it might be problematic, if it implicitly rules out cutting the military to a smaller level. If we support small government the military should be cut as well.
At least we should agree on a defence policy first.
Maybe our respect could be directly connected to our veterans policy?

If Atlasia is supposed to be a virtual US this might be problematic but how about:
"We recognize the Judeo-Christian tradition as the primary moral foundation of our society and the positive role of religion should be acknowledged and respected by the government".

Where does the Whigs stand on climate change and alternative energy? I hope we are relatively progressive on this issue (otherwise I am in the wrong party :) ).

Your own description of your beliefs makes me think you'd fit much better in the Liberal Party.

First of all, welcome to Atlasia and welcome to the Whig Party.

As for the religion point, I like what you have written--hopefully it is broad and vague enough not to turn off any non-Christians or non-Jews from joining or voting for Whig Party members.

We haven't discussed climate change or alternative energy much here but I would suspect the Whig Party would support energy research (our last point is to encourage and promote science) but likely oppose tough carbon enforcement measures (like a carbon tax) as something of a government intrusion. One of the main ideological issues here is that the Whig Party was started as a Communitarian right party that has sort of morphed into a general US style conservative party with some more libertarian aspects as well. The original ideology is probably more progressive on environmental issues but this may be an issue with some tension inside the party.

Pah. I still stand by my belief that the reference to "That multilateralism and collective security - a community of nations - is the best way to advance Atlasia's interests abroad." should remain- I recall making an amendment, what was it?

"We recognize the Judeo-Christian tradition as the primary moral foundation of our society and the positive role of religion should be acknowledged and respected by the government".

I like that, and I doubt such a statement could be part of the platform of any other Atlasian party. I think the Whig Party is basically the only Atlasian party that still holds traditional Christian values in high esteem (though some members of the Imperial Bloc may think similarly in that respect).

And regarding climate change and alternative energy, I think TJ's comment summarizes my own stance neatly but of course I can't speak for the other Whig members. That's why we need this debate, our party needs to settle on a common environmental policy.

Atlasia may not establish any religion as the official religion of the state.
--Third Constitution, Article VI, Section 2

Basing decisions on Christianity seems a little fishy to me.

Thanks Alfred- but no thanks. Not only does this clause NOT establish an official religion but you are not a member of our party so your opinion on party matters means zilch to any one here

I'm not intending to influence the party. I'm just saying that I don't want a whole party of Rick Santorums.

Also, that's not very nice. :(

We are not attempting to do the first, but we obviously do the second. It may seem fishy to you to base decisions on Christianity, fair enough, but don't tell me that there is any human being who does not base their decisions - be they personal or political - on their respective worldview. In the case of most Whig members, that world view happens to be a Christian one. On the other hand, members of other parties may be influenced by certain philosophies such as social-democratic, purely libertarian or communist ideas. Why should that be any better or worse from a neutral point of view?

You pose an easy question. The overwhelming majority of Atlasians rely on empirical evidence to make good decisions and we expect the same from our political leaders. Wrapping anti-woman, anti-family policies in a Christian coat rubs many of us the wrong way, even other Christians. We don't think blind faith in one interpretation of doctrine is reason enough to subjugate a nation. There's facts, there's opinions, and then there's dogma. Only the first two have any place in modern politics. Where's the respect for people who have differing beliefs?

At least social democrats, libertarians, etc. can use facts to back up arguments!

Napoleon- why don't you let us set OUR platform... you wont' vote for us whatever we put in so why should we try to meet you halfway

Clarence, I only posted to answer ZuWo's question. I don't want to write your platform anymore than I want you writing the Liberal Party's, but I wanted to provide ZuWo with an explanation of the perspective, since he asked. I certainly didn't mean to crash the party here.

Your comments completely distorted our point of views... recognizing Judeo-Christian tradition as the moral backbone of our nation while respecting and encouraging other views does not declare Christianity a state religion. Regardless of if you are a Jew or a Christian- it is likely that YOUR notion of morals stems from the Ten Commandments

I generally think we should just ignore comments from nonmembers in this thread. Otherwise we wont get a debate started about the actual programme. Over all the interesting thing for me is to see if we could somehow combine the traditions of European Christian Democrats and American Conservatives into a coherent programme. That may not be possible, but it could be interesting to try.
Still I am new to this and if you feel the Whigs should simply be the Atlasian version of the US Republicans just let me know.

Regarding the positive role of religion sentence. I was simply thinking that we could see religion as a generally positive force in society and be in favour of some level of government funding for religious schools, perhaps in a voucher system.
A coherent pro-life approach regarding abortion, euthanasia, the boundaries of bio-scientific research and the death penalty would be part of this tradition in my view. But I realize I am probably in the minority regarding the death penalty.

Regarding the environment I support the Christian Democratic "caretaker"-argument. That is "God gave us the earth in trust and we are merely the caretakers of it and should pass it on to future generations in at least the condition we received it". This view leads to a relatively high level of government intervention compared to the mainstream US Conservative approach, but some of those policies could be market based like a cap n trade-model for carbon-dioxine emission.

I agree with Simfan regarding the multilateral approach to foreign policy. But we should specify a level of defence spending. In my view this level should be consistent with relatively low taxes and a balanced budget.

Politicus- I think you have many good points. I think the first paragraph sums up what w are trying to do... this party stems from the Right to Life Caucus which officially opposed the death penalty for consistency

I would like amend the platform:
While Whig Party is not pacifist, we support non-interventionist foreign policy.

If something like "unless our national security interests are threatened" I would agree...

Yeah, like this.

How about: "The Whig Party will only use military intervention abroad if the national security of Atlasia or our allies is threatened".

Otherwise we cant be a part of military alliances.

How about genocide abroad? Could we provide troops for UN-operations to prevent genocide? Or is it none of our business?

Though we can provide troops for the peacekeeping UN operations, we should not interevene directly.

I also think that our party should support research for alternative enegry sources and promomting hybrides and other eco-friendly products.

My take on the Senate election from a Whig perspective

Fellow Whig members,

the Senate elections have come to an end and the results leave us with mixed feelings. On the one hand, our party chairman Pingvin, a dedicated conservative, has lost his seat. On the other hand, both TJ in Cleve and clarence have been able to hang on to their seats. Thank you to everyone who has preferenced the Whig candidates - you have helped elect two active and competent candidates, which is exactly what Atlasia needs. I'd also like to congratulate AndrewPA and wormyguy on their election; all in all, the Senate has moved a tad to the right.

I think our GOTV operation was fairly successful, though there is still room for improvement. Thanks to everyone who has contributed in that respect!
However, this election has once again made clear that the right can only be strong in an election if numerous positive factors come together and, simply put, if we are a little bit lucky. That's why the worst we can do at this point is to lean back and rest on our laurels. We have to continue our fight, bring new conservatives to the game, keep current players interested and active and run qualified candidates in every election we compete in.

The first thing we have to do now is work! Let's get back to business. We still need to specify our platform and discuss various proposals that have been made on the previous pages.

There is a good point in my defeat - I can focus on the party issues :)

Great points- ZuWo as always. We are in a good position and I congratulate TJ and also Pingvin- he makes the liberals angry but he certainly makes us proud by standing true to his values even if it may hurt politically

I think we have made great progress on the platform... I hope my clause about respecting the military as a part of our national tradition makes it in. I had raised a stink about the multilateralism clause but I realized I confused that with multipolar which is very different...

The chairman should make a list of the various proposals so we can vote on them.

Include my "caretaker"-argument as a proposal.

Amendment to the platform: "Whig party supports alternative energy research and supports enviromental protection".

Your wish is my command. I'm only the Vice Chair of this Party, but I hope no one objects to me bringing the various proposals to a vote. I'd say we first hold a vote on the proposals of the previous pages - these are the points that are disputed to a certain extent - and that we then move on to a vote on the entire platform unless someone brings up another point.

Please vote AYE or NAY on each proposal. Voting ends in 5 days:

Please vote AYE or NAY on each proposal. Voting ends in 5 days:



[/quote]

1. Nay
2. Nay
3. Aye
4. Nay
5. Aye
6. Aye

1. "We recognize the Judeo-Christian tradition as the primary moral foundation of our society and the positive role of religion should be acknowledged and respected by the government."

[X] Aye
[ ] Nay

2. "God gave us the earth in trust and we are merely the caretakers of it and should pass it on to future generations in at least the condition we received it."

[X] Aye
[ ] Nay

3. "The Whig Party will only use military intervention abroad if the national security of Atlasia or our allies is threatened."

[X] Aye
[ ] Nay

4. "The Whig Party supports alternative energy research and supports enviromental protection."

[X] Aye
[ ] Nay

5. "That the military and its traditions are a fundamental aspect of our heritage and national identity."

[X] Aye
[ ] Nay

6. "That multilateralism and collective security - a community of nations - is the best way to advance Atlasia's interests abroad."

[X] Aye
[ ] Nay

1. "We recognize the Judeo-Christian tradition as the primary moral foundation of our society and the positive role of religion should be acknowledged and respected by the government."

[  ] Aye
[X] Nay

2. "God gave us the earth in trust and we are merely the caretakers of it and should pass it on to future generations in at least the condition we received it."

[  ] Aye
[X] Nay

3. "The Whig Party will only use military intervention abroad if the national security of Atlasia or our allies is threatened."

[X] Aye
[  ] Nay

4. "The Whig Party supports alternative energy research and supports enviromental protection."

[X] Aye
[  ] Nay

5. "That the military and its traditions are a fundamental aspect of our heritage and national identity."

[X] Aye
[  ] Nay

6. "That multilateralism and collective security - a community of nations - is the best way to advance Atlasia's interests abroad."

[X]Aye
[  ] Nay

And here are some points, the ones not struck out (most likely because they're already being voted upon) I officially propose:

We, the members of the Whig Party, desirous of the advancement of the state of Atlasia, our country, and the preservation of its society, believe:

-That the foundation of a democratic, peaceful, and prosperous society is the family and community.
-That we simultaneously re-affirm the idea of personal responsibility, aided via the community.
-That the greatest long-term crisis facing Atlasia today is the decline of social capital and community, which shall eventually come to harm that democratic, peaceful, and prosperous society we enjoy.
-That greatest power in the land is not the State, whether Federal or Regional, but instead the community and the individual.

-That the government is not the arbiter nor origin of economic growth, but rather a force than can and should be used to assisted the marketplace in its growth, in the interests of community and the nation.
-That the model of free and unrestricted two-way trade is the optimal model for trade between nations
-That the government is, by nature, the power that can best provide certain resources and services to society.
-The government should regulate trade and industry to maximize social equity, while in a manner that does not impede the normal functioning of the economy
-That welfare is meant to temporarily assist, not provide for, the people

-That Atlasia must be mindful of its being the world's foremost power
-That military conflict, in general, is counter to the well-being of man and thus must be avoided unless necessary
-That diplomacy, not warfare, is the cornerstone of foreign relations
-That multilateralism and collective security- a community of nations- is the best way to advance Atlasia's interests abroad
-That the goals set out in foreign interventions must be achieved.

-That the maintenance of tradition is an integral part of society
-That the concepts of "rights" and "entitlements" must be balanced by an awareness of responsibilities and obligations to others
-That the life of all must be defended, and so both executions and abortion must be made illegal or at the least as rare as possible
-That the advancment of culture and science is an integral function of society and its organizations.

And the variations upon the two in which I voted nay:

"We recognize the religious basis for the moral foundation of our society and the positive role of religion should be acknowledged and respected by the government."

"We as the caretakers of the Earth have a moral obligation to pass it on to future generations in at least the condition we received it."

I would object strongly to the one regarding military conflict- I understand the sentiment but as everyone knows military conflict is sometimes essential to the well-being of man

1. "We recognize the Judeo-Christian tradition as the primary moral foundation of our society and the positive role of religion should be acknowledged and respected by the government."

[X] Aye
[ ] Nay

2. "God gave us the earth in trust and we are merely the caretakers of it and should pass it on to future generations in at least the condition we received it."

[X] Aye
[ ] Nay

3. "The Whig Party will only use military intervention abroad if the national security of Atlasia or our allies is threatened."

[X] Aye
[ ] Nay

4. "The Whig Party supports alternative energy research and supports enviromental protection."

[X] Aye
[ ] Nay

5. "That the military and its traditions are a fundamental aspect of our heritage and national identity."

[X] Aye
[ ] Nay

6. "That multilateralism and collective security - a community of nations - is the best way to advance Atlasia's interests abroad."

[X] Aye
[ ] Nay

1. "We recognize the Judeo-Christian tradition as the primary moral foundation of our society and the positive role of religion should be acknowledged and respected by the government."

[X] Aye
[ ] Nay

2. "God gave us the earth in trust and we are merely the caretakers of it and should pass it on to future generations in at least the condition we received it."

[X] Aye
[ ] Nay

3. "The Whig Party will only use military intervention abroad if the national security of Atlasia or our allies is threatened."

[X] Aye
[ ] Nay

4. "The Whig Party supports alternative energy research and supports enviromental protection."

[X] Aye
[ ] Nay

5. "That the military and its traditions are a fundamental aspect of our heritage and national identity."

[X] Aye
[ ] Nay

6. "That multilateralism and collective security - a community of nations - is the best way to advance Atlasia's interests abroad."

[X] Aye
[ ] Nay

Simfan, I suggest that we first conclude the current vote and that we hold a debate and a vote on your proposals afterwards. This way we can avoid the confusion of having several votes taking place at the same time. Is that ok?

1. "We recognize the Judeo-Christian tradition as the primary moral foundation of our society and the positive role of religion should be acknowledged and respected by the government."

[ x ] Aye
[ ] Nay

2. "God gave us the earth in trust and we are merely the caretakers of it and should pass it on to future generations in at least the condition we received it."

[ x  ] Aye
[ ] Nay

3. "The Whig Party will only use military intervention abroad if the national security of Atlasia or our allies is threatened."

[X] Aye
[  ] Nay

4. "The Whig Party supports alternative energy research and supports enviromental protection."

[X] Aye
[  ] Nay

5. "That the military and its traditions are a fundamental aspect of our heritage and national identity."

[  ] Aye
[ X ] Nay

6. "That multilateralism and collective security - a community of nations - is the best way to advance Atlasia's interests abroad."

[X] Aye
[  ] Nay

Vote for Regional chairs anybody?

According to the latest census data, the Whig Party has 8 members in the ME, 4 in the IDS, 2 in the Pacific and 2 in the NE. That's why it probably only makes sense to have regional chairs in the ME and the IDS. Any volunteers?

I draft Clarence for the IDS Whig Party Chairman!

Of course!

1. "We recognize the Judeo-Christian tradition as the primary moral foundation of our society and the positive role of religion should be acknowledged and respected by the government."

• Aye

[ ] Nay

2. "God gave us the earth in trust and we are merely the caretakers of it and should pass it on to future generations in at least the condition we received it."

• Aye

[ ] Nay

3. "The Whig Party will only use military intervention abroad if the national security of Atlasia or our allies is threatened."

• Aye

[ ] Nay

4. "The Whig Party supports alternative energy research and supports enviromental protection."

• Aye

[ ] Nay

5. "That the military and its traditions are a fundamental aspect of our heritage and national identity."

• Aye

[ ] Nay

6. "That multilateralism and collective security - a community of nations - is the best way to advance Atlasia's interests abroad."

[ ] Aye

• Nay

Ladies and Gentelmen, lets vote on National Convention Host City!
[] Chicago, IL
[] Columbus, OH
[] Cleveland, OH
[] Pittsburgh, PA
[] Indianapolis, IN
[] Cincinnati, OH
[] Atlantic City, NJ
[] St. Paul, MN
[] Niagara Falls, NY
[] Winona Lake, IN
[] Milford, IN
[] St. Louis, MO
[] Detroit, MI
[] Wichita, KS
[] Denver, CO
[] Birmingham, AL
[] Mandan, ND
[] Springfield, IL
[] Minneapolis, MN
[] Bird-In-Hand, PA
[] Fairfield Glade, TN

[] Chicago, IL
[] Columbus, OH
[1] Cleveland, OH
[8] Pittsburgh, PA
[10] Indianapolis, IN
[9] Cincinnati, OH
[2] Atlantic City, NJ
[3] St. Paul, MN
[13] Niagara Falls, NY
[12] Winona Lake, IN
[11] Milford, IN
[4] St. Louis, MO
[14] Detroit, MI
[6] Wichita, KS
[15] Denver, CO
[16] Birmingham, AL
[17] Mandan, ND
[7] Springfield, IL
[18] Minneapolis, MN
[5] Bird-In-Hand, PA
[19] Fairfield Glade, TN

Ladies and Gentelmen, lets vote on National Convention Host City!
[] Chicago, IL
[] Columbus, OH
[] Cleveland, OH
[] Pittsburgh, PA
[] Indianapolis, IN
[] Cincinnati, OH
[] Atlantic City, NJ
[] St. Paul, MN
[] Niagara Falls, NY
[] Winona Lake, IN
[] Milford, IN
[] St. Louis, MO
[] Detroit, MI
[] Wichita, KS
[X] Denver, CO
[] Birmingham, AL
[] Mandan, ND
[] Springfield, IL
[] Minneapolis, MN
[] Bird-In-Hand, PA
[] Fairfield Glade, TN

Ladies and Gentelmen, lets vote on National Convention Host City!
[] Chicago, IL
[] Columbus, OH
[] Cleveland, OH
[] Pittsburgh, PA
[] Indianapolis, IN
[] Cincinnati, OH
[] Atlantic City, NJ
[] St. Paul, MN
[ x ] Niagara Falls, NY
[] Winona Lake, IN
[] Milford, IN
[] St. Louis, MO
[] Detroit, MI
[] Wichita, KS
[] Denver, CO
[] Birmingham, AL
[] Mandan, ND
[] Springfield, IL
[] Minneapolis, MN
[] Bird-In-Hand, PA
[] Fairfield Glade, TN

[] Chicago, IL
[] Columbus, OH
[] Cleveland, OH
[] Pittsburgh, PA
[4] Indianapolis, IN
[5] Cincinnati, OH
[1] Atlantic City, NJ
[] St. Paul, MN
[] Niagara Falls, NY
[] Winona Lake, IN
[] Milford, IN
[] St. Louis, MO
[] Detroit, MI
[] Wichita, KS
[2] Denver, CO
[3] Birmingham, AL
[] Mandan, ND
[] Springfield, IL
[] Minneapolis, MN
[] Bird-In-Hand, PA
[] Fairfield Glade, TN

The convention is only one week before the next federal election (i.e. in June), but it's always a good idea to start early.

[] Chicago, IL
[] Columbus, OH
[] Cleveland, OH
[] Pittsburgh, PA
[] Indianapolis, IN
[] Cincinnati, OH
[] Atlantic City, NJ
[] St. Paul, MN
[] Niagara Falls, NY
[] Winona Lake, IN
[] Milford, IN
[] St. Louis, MO
[] Detroit, MI
[] Wichita, KS
[] Denver, CO
[] Birmingham, AL
[] Mandan, ND
[] Springfield, IL
[] Minneapolis, MN
[X] Bird-In-Hand, PA
[] Fairfield Glade, TN

[X] Springfield, IL

The majority of the Whig Party members have voted in favor of the following lines, which are now part of the official Whig Party platform:

[X] Chicago, IL
[] Columbus, OH
[] Cleveland, OH
[] Pittsburgh, PA
[] Indianapolis, IN
[] Cincinnati, OH
[] Atlantic City, NJ
[] St. Paul, MN
[] Niagara Falls, NY
[] Winona Lake, IN
[] Milford, IN
[] St. Louis, MO
[] Detroit, MI
[] Wichita, KS
[] Denver, CO
[] Birmingham, AL
[] Mandan, ND
[] Springfield, IL
[] Minneapolis, MN
[] Bird-In-Hand, PA
[] Fairfield Glade, TN

Vote is officialy closed!
Next Whig convention will be held in Bird-In-Hand, PA!

Out of curiosity, is this a joke? Or is the convention really being held in Lancaster County?

The Amish best represent their view for Atlasia, so it is fitting.

We just want to show that Atlasia isn't only Nyman, New York City, Detroit or any other big city. Atlasia is also small, tiny towns and rural places where people still know how to get the job done, where family and God still respected, where Atlasia is still Atlasia,

To be honest, yes, it is kind of a joke. I found that name funny so I voted for that place. ;)

Convention in Anytown, Atlasia- I love it!

You're all such a lazy bunch of people, there's still some work to do! ;)

Simfan proposed these lines, and we should really debate them.

Can't think about any additions now.

Of course, I support them all.

As do I...

Just want to say that I'm very happy to have registered as a Whig. Look forward to hopefully becoming an active member of the party.

I haven't had a chance to totally read through this thread yet, but I'm pretty happy with where the party stands on the issues.

There's one line from Simfan that I'm not sure I'm on board with, if only for how easy it would be to work around: "The government should regulate trade and industry to maximize social equity, while in a manner that does not impede the normal functioning of the economy."

I personally believe that "maximizing social equity" via regulations over-emphasizes the role of the government in shaping society. Something along the lines of preserving equal opportunity just sounds a bit less liberal to me. Otherwise it seems like we want to give the government carte blanche to uphold its own social agenda.

Ehhh I'm thinking more so of having regulating to the point where you have externalities and private cost at the same level and in equilibrium with the market demand

AN OPEN LETTER TO THE ATLASIA WHIG PARTY

"Conservative" doesn't mean "racist". Every true conservative knows this, and is rightly offended when the two are lumped together.

So why does Atlasia's premier conservative party have an unabashedly racist chairman?

Spare the whining about "political correctness" or "you can't judge someone's views just on a few posts--or over a dozen---or twenty", Chairman Pingvin has repeatedly revealed himself as a horrid bigot of the most base sort.

It may be his unquestionable right to hold such horrid views, but it's equally the Whig Party's unquestionable right--and arguably its duty--not to let such a person represent the face of it's organization.

I'm not going to start by listing every post Pingvin has made along these lines--several have been deleted by multiple mods for their racist content, and anyone who has followed his odious posting history even in passing has likely been familiarized with his white power lite stances.

The choice is yours: Proudly and firmly state: "Conservative yes, racist no", or merely allow yourselves to be represented by the likely Moscow chapter founder of Aryan Nation.

Thank you,
Badger
Senator Emeritus.

It makes sense to differentiate between posts that are related to Atlasia and those who have nothing to do with Atlasia. I judge Pingvin by his actions in this game, and when I look at his record in the game I only see things such as the "IDS Cell Phone While Driving Ban Act" or "Access for Afghan Women Act" - terribly fascist, isn't it?

You'd better be outraged at the path your Liberal Party is taking because if you guys continue to recruit libertarians, centrists and leftists at the same time it will become less and less clear what your party stands for. ;)

To sum up, there is no reason why Pingvin should not serve as chairman of the Whig Party since he is a fine player.

I believe it would result in a party best described as "moderate liberalitarian".

That's a nice coinage! ;)

Alright, I'm in :)

You know that this makes me look terribly silly after what I've just said about the Liberal Party? :P

Welcome, though. Beware: We're social conservatives. ;)

I hadn't even read what you said about the Liberal Party :P

But yes, I know. I'll make sure you guys become social "centrists" ;)

Yes. We're "communitarians." ;)

Do I smell a primary coming up? :)

Perhaps- we value diversity of opinion and having many candidates compete in the arena of ideas...we don't want to shut out other candidates (or an entire party) for a coronation ;-)

It'd make sense to have a primary, just so the Whigs could have the same "unitedness" the left is pursuing with their Oakvale-Napoleon-Tweed preferencing contest, in an orderly fashion.

Agreed- SJoyceFla

Thats pretty much my position.
Since we are some European Christian Democrats and US Moderates in the party, its platform is to the left of US Conservatives in some areas.

If I have to face Clarence in a primary, I will leave the party until the election is over. Not only am I positive that he would defeat me, but I don't want to cause a rift in the party. I want he and I to both be involved in this race, as I think we are both excellent candidates.

Either of you would make an excellent president for Atlasia.

I also agree with Simfan/politicus re: their definition of social equity. I wonder if we should clarify it in that list of points. Just to clear up the ambiguity. Because the wording does make it sound a little socialistic, and I'd like to hope that's not what we're going for. :P

Perfect for someone like you! ;)

'Twould, were I not a Southerner.

OFFICIAL STATEMENT

I'm leaving soon for a three month summer vacation, and I will have a very rare access to Internets.
ZuWo will be acting chairman until my return.

Sincerely,

Whig Party Chairman, IDS Judicial Overlord Pingvin

Have a great vacation Pingvin- thank you for your service as Chairman

Three months? If the period was that long I would prefer if you'd resign for the time being. That's a period almost as long as most terms. We'd welcome you back upon your return.

Since 20RP12 joined after he announced his candidacy, I would prefer that we simply not endorse a candidate, but I'd like to see both Clarence and he urge their supporters to make the other their second choices.

Simfan34- I agree completely that 20RP12 and I ought to encourage our supporters to 2nd prefernece each other...I sure will be second preferencing 20RP12. With the left agreeing to high preference each other- this is even more crucial

I agree. I've decided you will be receiving my second preference and I will encourage my supporters to do the same.

Why not just endorse both of them? Sort of like "the Whig Party officially endorses 20RP12 and Clarence for the Presidency, and encourages its members to weigh the merits of each when determining which shall get their first preference and which shall get their second"

This isn't a terrible idea(?)

:(

:( i'm sorry :(

That too sums it up nicely for me.


Yes that sounds like it could work.

Anyway, I'll be running for Party Chair whenever we vote for it next.

I motion to hold a vote of no confidence in the leadership of Chairman Pingvin in accordance with our party's bylaws:




While I have complete confidence in ZuWo's leadership abilities, I believe an election should rightfully be held for both positions of leadership rather than a de-facto vacancy.

Have a good vacation Mr. Chairman!

I second this motion.

I'd like to offer Pingvin the chance to step down...no confidence implies lack of faith in his abilities which isn't the case- Pingvin I urge you to step down considering your upcoming absence

OFFICIAL STATEMENT
I hereby resign as Chairman of Whig Party.


Sincerely,

IDS Judicial Overlord Pingvin

In that case, the office of Chairman is vacant and ZuWo becomes the Chairman:


Unfortunately there is a problem with our bylaws: we have no provision for a vacancy in the office of Vice-Chairman. Since the Vice-Chairman can only be elected at the convention in April, August, or December, or in the event of a vacancy, maybe we should hold a vote of No Confidence in Vice-Chairman Vacancy? :P

Yikes- sorry folks didn't meant to cause a crisis!

I hope that Pingvin's resignation is only temporary, but for the time being I accept the office of chairman according to our bylaws. There is an important election ahead of us, and we must be ready to face this challenge.

Should we hold a vote of No Confidence in the Vice-Chairman Vacancy now and then elect a new Vice Chair in order to solve the problem TJ has mentioned, or could we simply leave the office of Vice Chair vacant until August?

For Simfan to be able to run for it- I propose a vote of no confidence for "Vice Chairman Vacancy"

I second that motion. I would like to hold a special election for the current shake-up, but we actually never held the April convention, so we can open it and vote there.

I have already booked rooms at the Lancaster Marriott at Penn Square. I recommend we host the actual events at the Lancaster County Convention Center. I am more than willing to draw up a program.

When we reach the appropriate moment, I have some suggestions for amending the Bylaws so this sort of thing doesn't happen again.

Simfan, do you expect us to appear in ties and appropriate suits to that convention? If yes, can you send us your detailed instructions as to what we should and should not wear at least a few days in advance? Thanks!

For everyone's information, here's our bylaws:

Membership

A suit jacket and tie should suffice. ;) Informal attire.

ONLY a suit jacket and tie? That sounds too informal to me...

Indeed, the dress code is informal.

Zuwo, you make something of a point, but at what point do you seperate the horrid racist views of an individual from their ability to occasionaly act like a non-bigot.

I'm glad you at least resonded. I see the rest of the Atlasian right could care less about having and unabashed bigot as party leader.

But then there's precedence for that......

Certainly I think ZuWo or I would not be "unabashed bigots"...

Let's hold a Vote of No Confidence on the vacant Vice Chair post.


This vote is necessary due to Pingvin's temporary resignment and my elevation to the office of Chairman. After this vote, we shall proceed to elect a new Vice Chair.

Voting ends in 48 hours.

Do you have confidence in the current Vice Chair (vacant)?

[ ] Yes
[X] No

Do you have confidence in the current Vice Chair (vacant)?

[  ] Yes
[X] No

Do you have confidence in the current Vice Chair (vacant)?

[  ] Yes
[X] No

Do you have confidence in the current Vice Chair (vacant)?

[  ] Yes
[X] No

Do you have confidence in the current Vice Chair (vacant)?

[  ] Yes
[X] No

Voting is closed. As expected, there is no confidence in our current Vice Chair named "vacant".

The next thing we should do is elect a new Vice Chair. If you are interested in the post, please step forward.

I shall run.

I too shall run.

I want to register as a member of the party

Welcome! Unfortunately, there's too much bureaucracy in this game. :P

Are there other people who are interested in the position of Vice Chair? So far we have Simfan and 20RP12 who are running for Vice Chair.

Since apparently there aren't any other candidates for vice chair of the Whig Party, I hereby open a vote on the vice chairmanship.

Voting ends in 96 hours (4 days).

Official Ballot:

Who should be the new vice chair of the Whig Party?

[1] Simfan34
[2] 20RP12

Who should be the new vice chair of the Whig Party?

[1] 20RP12

Official Ballot:

Who should be the new vice chair of the Whig Party?

[1] Simfan34
[2] 20RP12

Who should be the new vice chair of the Whig Party?

[1] 20RP12
[2] Simfan34
[3] Clarence

Who should be the new vice chair of the Whig Party?

[1] Simfan34
[2] 20RP12

More votes, please!

Having received 3 out of 5 votes cast, Simfan34 is elected Vice Chair of the Whig Party.

Congrats, Simfan!

Thank you!

Hey folks,

There's a hard-fought election battle going on for the IDS Legislature. I've been representing the Whigs in legislature for about a month--I'd love to have your continued support during this election. It's going to be a huge uphill climb. Two seats are up for grabs. JBrase will get one. That means there's gonna be a big three-way race for the third, between Labour's Adam Griffin, Mechaman of the Imperial Bloc, and myself.

I'd appreciate whatever help you could give me.

If you want to learn more, feel free to check out my campaign, located here. (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=154651.0)

Thanks!

As a member of this party you have the endorsement of the Whig Party. Now I can't vote for you personally, but as far as I have seen you have played an active role during the last session of the IDS Legislature so I encourage all Southerners - be they members of the Whig Party or members of any other party - to re-elect you. Good luck from the party chairman! ;)

Thanks ZuWo!

It's one week before the next regularly scheduled federal election so according to our bylaws it's time to hold our convention.

Amendments to the bylaws can be put forward now.

We should also hold an endorsement vote regarding the presidential election.

Candidates not in the party may petition for the Whig Party's endorsement.

I would like to endorse the Oakvale/Cincinnatus ticket for 2nd preference.

In 24 hours the Whig Party will start their endorsement votes.

Here's how I think we, as a party, should preference:

[1] Clarence/Yelnoc
[2] Napoleon/Kalwejt
[3] Oakvale/Cincinnatus
[4] Tweed/Bgwah

Fellow members of the Whig Party, here's what I think about the upcoming presidential election.

With Clarence and Yelnoc we have a ticket in the race that is highly qualified to lead our country. Clarence is an active Senator who stands up for his conservative principles but who is ready to compromise if necessary and treats his opponents with respect. Likewise, Yelnoc is an excellent pick for the office of Vice President because he is a guy who has a profound knowledge and who takes an unideological and objective approach to the issues. Fellow members of the Whig Party, this is a ticket we can trust.

Maybe you have not made up your minds about the other tickets yet. In my opinion, the Oakvale/Cincinnatus ticket is the best among the three left tickets. The Tweed/bgwah ticket is too far away from us politically, and Napoleon and Kalwejt have made clear how little they think of the Whig Party by accusing us of conducting a "War on Women" or being "extreme". Ladies and Gentlemen, we should not give a single vote to a ticket which treats our party in such a disrespectful way. Clearly, our country will be better off with a President who respects all citizens regardless of their political leanings. Indeed, in the ideal case this is Clarence. However, in case we are not as successful as we hope for we are obliged to support another candidate who can move this country forward - this is Oakvale. I therefore encourage all members of the Whig Party to endorse Oakvale/Cincinnatus for second preference.

Chairman ZuWo (Endorsement votes start tomorrow)

I abstain from this vote. The Whig Party should be dedicated to our candidate and our candidate alone. Making official 2nd, 3rd, preference votes is unnecessary.

Then preference

[1] Clarence

and say nothing else.

Awfully disturbing that the Governor of the Mideast cares so little about his region's core industries that he so glowingly offers his endorsement to someone who directly assaulted the Mideast economy by banning automobiles while he was Governor. It just goes to show that politics don't matter in this game, people would rather have the impression that they are liked, whether or not true.

Abstain. Idk if I want Oak or Napoleon as a 2nd yet.

Clarence was Governor? And he banned automobiles? That's news to me.

Anyway, this thread is currently fully dedicated to the Whig Party Convention. Members of other parties are welcome to speak if they petition to get the Whig Party's endorsement - otherwise take your rants about the Whig Party as a whole or individual members of the party somewhere else.

Voting still hasn't started anyway. The vote on our endorsements is going to start tomorrow. ;)

Might be talking about oakvale maybe? No idea. I'd like to get this cleared up though. I wanna know who banned automobiles!

Oakvale.

But to expand, if I were a Whig I wouldn't put much stock in ZuWo's personal vendetta against me. I've worked with Whigs and other parties just fine. I've signed some of Simfan's ideas into law even if it when I found them counter to my personal ideology, worked closely with conservatives like Shua and Jbrase in the Senate, was a close ally of Governor Winfield, and havethe endorsements of Tmthforu and Dallasfan, the last conservatives to get elected to the presidency. ZuWo may hate me but my record speaks for itself.

There are a few major differences between Oakvale and myself but none are really rooted in ideology. I will be a more active president, I will work closely with the Senate like I have the Assembly as Governor, and we will debate issues that often go under the radar. Things like health care and education are important but they don't require the Senate's attention full time. If im elected we will delve into foreign policy more and debate a diverse set of issues like we have done at the regional level in the Northeast. So, I ask that you look at each of our records in office and decide who is fit to lead.

I suppose this isn't exactly surprising given the (inexplicably) increasingly negative tone of your campaign in recent weeks, Napoleon, but you could at least cite the bill I assume you're referring to so people can read it for themselves.

Here's a link to the debate and discussion in the old Pacific Council (RIP) thread (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=130612.msg2823648#msg2823648). Of particular note is that Councillor Jbrase, hardly a fire breathing liberal, voted in favor of the bill, and it was proposed by realisticidealist, himself fairly conservative.

It's kind of a kooky bill, sure, and not one I'm especially enamored with, but it was the Pacific. It also passed with a veto-proof majority, for the record, though I did ultimately vote for it, seeing it as some decent if flawed economic stimulus with benefits for the environment. And, hey, if it encourages Detroit to continue their work on renewable energy-based cars, then that's a good thing. ;)

But... rest assured I've no plans on introducing something like this on a federal level. :P

It is funny that simply telling voters about laws you signed is now considered negative campaigning. What a joke.

And now it's a "vendetta" to remind the Whig Party members of how insulting you, Napoleon, have been towards us? All I said regarding your negative comments about the Whig Party can be verified. You have a funny way of twisting the truth!

Anyway, I have PMed Simfan to lock this thread if the cluttering continues. This thread is dedicated to the convention and is not the campaign platform of other candidates. Please respect that.

[1] Clarence
[2] Oakvale
[3] Tweed

My apologies, Mr. Chairman - I didn't intend to campaign in this thread.

All I will say to my friends in the Whig Party is this - while we may often disagree, I can promise you that under an Oakvale Presidency you will never be overlooked - your point of view will be respected and listened to, and there will always be a seat at the table for you. :)

Anyway, I'll leave you to your convention, I certainly don't mean to fill thread with campaign nonsense.

Ok, I give in: The endorsement vote has started (I shall consider 20RP12's vote the first vote, then comes A-Bob's vote and then TJ's).

My vote:

[1] Clarence
[2] Oakvale

I will not be making a second preference endorsement.

Yeah, I couldn't even name my personal second preference right now. So I really believe that clarence is the only candidate this party should support... Oakvale and Napolean aren't in-line with our ideology. Why should we offer even marginal support to a candidate we don't want to see elected?

So here's my vote:

[1] clarence

Due to his party switch (have fun in the new party ;)), 20RP12's endorsement vote is declared invalid.

Sorry, but switching parties is my thing :P But thank you :)

[1] Clarence/Yelnoc

[1] Clarence

The endorsement vote has 24 more hours.

1- Yelnoc and his running mate
2- Oakvale
3- Young Tweed
4- Napoleon

Surprise surprise: Yelnoc and his running mate receive the Whig Party endorsement, getting the support of all party members who have voted.

Most party members do not want to endorse anyone for lower preferences, while a minority want to give Oakvale/Cincinnatus their second preferences.

If a party member wants to deliver a speech, this is the time. ;)

Fellow Whigs and honored guests,

For those who don't know me, my name is Jonathon Calvin Libertas and I'm the Whig candidate for the Mideast Senate seat. A little bit about me is I'm part of a blue collar family from the state of Indiana. Life wasn't always easy and those adversities drew me, like many of you, to the Christian faith. Because of that faith I came to a conservative view of governance. Not a conservatism that some would call extreme and hateful, but one of genuine love for my fellow man. The Hebrew Prophet Micah
spoke about the principals of humility, mercy and justice. That is a view I and many conservatives want to take to Nyman regardless of faith. Do I believe the core brotherhood of conservatism and libertarianism is a view that would honor Micah's Sacred Charge? Yes!!

Looking at the tax and fiscal policies up for debate in our senate I saw a gross injustice that only slows down the recovery and keeping us in the Great Recession.  They want to tax the wealthy in a way that hinders those folks ability to give generously, if they so choose. Tommorrow I will reveal a proposal regarding the tax brackets of both individuals and businesses.

As you vote in the upcoming elections consider who do you think will best champion common sense pragmatic conservatism. One who is willing to work with the left when the idea is consistant with the principals of limited government yet when conscience demands it, to
oppose with passion and civility.

Thank you and may God and Dave bless you all

Chairman ZuWo, Vice Chairman SimFan, Members of the Whig Party, and Fellow Atlasians-

I am honored by your endorsement vote and I accept your nomination for President!

A great man once went on national television and asked “Who am I- why am I here?”... I sometimes ask myself the second question. The next First Lady of Atlasia (maybe the only First Lady of Atlasia!) asks me the question right now as I sit here typing this up... why the hell am I on this board with a bunch of teenagers and college kids and liberals? The answer is- because you all who I've “met” are very smart people and good people and I enjoy the conversations and discussions we have...I learn from all of you every day and I am grateful to be a part of this web community

My opponents are all good and smart people- all three of them. I'd also like to say that I respect two people who have left the race- Ben is a friend on the board and I am very glad to work with him in the Senate now... 20RP12 is a great fella who gets too much crap from you all and I am honored to have his support- though wish he would come on back to the Whigs! I also want to compliment the man I hope is my predecessor... Polnut is not the one I voted for in the last election (that would be my good friend ZuWo) but he has held the office with dignity and grace... he has done his best to find common ground and I've been glad to find it with him. But these folks- Napoleon, Oakvale, and Tweed- smart and have bright futures ahead of them.

However- let's put that aside for now... because I'm writing this sh**t to get your vote, not to get you to vote for them. I'm “an old” in life but not here on this board- but I'd like to think I've made my mark on the Fantasy Elections...I was an Imperial South Legislator and I am now a Senator. In these positions I've stood up for my views but worked to find common ground. In this record is where you find what distinguishes me from my opponents- I am not one who will reject an idea flat without any discussion- the purpose of this game is discussion!!! I'm also not some one who will say things just to be Mr. Popular

The purpose of this game is discussion- I repeat that again because I believe it. We're not here to throw catch phrases at each other like “Whig War on Women” or call folk “crazies” or reject ideas without any discussion- that's for the politicians in Washington to do and that's why all of us on this board- no matter what color the icon under our user name is- criticize them...enough with the one-liners and rigidity. I promise as your President I will lead discussions about every issue- no matter how much I disagree with the measure. Hell- I found Polnut's proposal for the national broadcaster to be  terrible but you know what- I sponsored it because (and I said this at the time) I wanted to discuss the issue... I argued against it and voted against it...but I think we all gained from the discussion. Let's take a step back and realize folks- this is an internet board and it's not as if a bill that passes the Senate here has an ounce of impact on an actual life, so let's take a step back and debate it...That's the President I will be

On the other extreme is the mentality that you should try to please every one and be Mr. Popular... you all know that isn't me either. I never yield for my beliefs- and I do not believe compromising is yielding. I will debate something I believe till I die and if it fails- then so be it, but I'll try my best... this would be boring however if the people I was debating were all conservatives! Right now we have a good guy as the President- he is called center-left by you folks... and you are complaining about lack of activity and interest....the cure to that is not more of the same- not another center-left nice guy President. Oakvale is a good fella and I am proud to endorse him for my 2nd prefernece- but what will fix the lull here is having a conservative President who is willing to discuss and debate issues... If you don't believe I'd make a fine President- I respect that. But if you tell me you dont want to vote for me because I am a conservative when Tmthfor94 is praised for a cross party endorsement.... and I'll tell you not much will change if you liberals vote only for yourselves... a right vs left debate will be more interesting then a left vs center-left debate...and the latter is all you folks will have if you don't vote for any conservatives. I'll veto left-wing bills the Senate passes and we'll talk it out some more...not gridlock but discussion- a balance of power that will put new energy in this game

Most of you know where I stand on the issues... I started a Presidential Debate post so we can talk them out...I hope to have  these discussions with my opponents but as always- ask me in my campaign thread if you have any questions about my views...

My friends- the boring is the predictable and the predictable is the boring... what's predictable is that the conservatives vote for me and liberals are split between the other three- and the other three combine to beat me in the last ballot...let's just be frank about it. That happens again and again it seems- even though I've only been around for one election I'm pretty good with getting the lay of the land in new places.... if you want the predictable you sure as hell don't want me. If you want someone old and new at the same time- Vote for Clarence.

I want to say a few words about my running mate- I am honored to have a young man as smart and astute as Yelnoc as my running mate... Yelnoc is a moderate and for those of you who are critical- that does NOT mean some one without beliefs...if means some one with moderate beliefs. But he has been Speaker of the Imperial Legislature since I started around here and he has experience presiding over a legislative body- he will make a fantastic Vice President if you give us the honor

Fellow Atlasians- I ask that you put your views aside and look at us candidates as people... consider our behavior in this game and on the board and our experiences as people... if you vote because you want to follow the party line of a fake internet party- what's the point of posting on the Fantasy board? Do you want some one who is arrogant and rude? Do you want some one who is a crowd pleaser and very similar to the status quo? Or do you want some one with views different from what is the norm around here but who puts those views on the table to talk and has had discussions with so many of you that have left us with mutual respect for each other... that is the type of man I aim to be on this board and in my life and that is the type of President I will aim to be if I get the honor...

Thank you and God Bless

Thank you JCL and Clarence for your nice speeches. I can only stress what you said: Vote against predictability and more of the same, vote for something new, vote for JCL and Clarence!

I am going to step down as chairman of the Whig Party

Fellow members of the Whig Party

The elections for President and Mideast Senator are over. The Whig Party has fielded conservative candidates in both races and has tried to win these elections. Personally, I have been heavily involved in Clarence's and JCL's campaign. Sadly, despite all our efforts we lost. Therefore, I am ready to accept my share of responsibility and have decided to take the necessary actions. Concretely, I will not run for re-election as party chairman at the next convention in August. I am not resigning immediately because I want to give members of this party who are interested in this office enough time to prepare for the chairmanship.

I have enjoyed being chairman of the Whig Party and will remain involved in the activities of this party. I enjoy my job as Mideast Governor, which fully occupies me and is great entertainment. Additionally, I will continue to make efforts to recruit new conservative members to the game and the party and will help in future GOTV operations. However, now is the time for a change in leadership. With a new chairman who is capable of fulfilling this role I see a bright future for our party.

I'd like to thank everyone who has supported the conservative cause during the last election.

Sincerely

ZuWo

Thank you for your service, ZuWo. You've been a fine chairman.

Chairman ZuWo, members of the Party:

The work ZuWo has done for the party is incalculable, in terms of getting Whigs elected and expanding our presence in Atlasia. Membership has expanded by over 60%, and we today have a presence in every region. We've gone from being a secondary party from being one of the nation's major parties. We've been able to elect officials in regions that would have otherwise been unimaginable. I myself am a I prime example of this, today being Lt. Governor and Speaker of a region with only three registered Whigs; without ZuWo's efforts this could have never come to be.

ZuWo has been at the forefront of combating the lies and half-truths being disseminated about our party, this has directly led to our growth and strong showings in recent elections. Indeed, we are the most diverse party in Atlasia- the most women, the most African Americans! Thanks to ZuWo, we today can look forwards to a strong growth trajectory, more Whig elected officials, and a larger, more influential party, one that brings Atlasia towards a more economically free, socially supportive, and morally just society. We have been most fortunate to have to you as our Chairman, ZuWo.

I couldn't agree with you more, Simfan

ZuWo, as I've told you privately but want to publicly also- you've been an outstanding leader and personally my "board mentor"...I may not have won but the fact that I was within reach of victory is due to your hard work and political acumen. The party is worse off without you as Chair, but fortunately you will be staying here as Governor of the Mideast and a senior member of the party

Thank you for these flattering remarks. I appreciate that! :)

Just to make it very clear: I am not going to reduce my activity within the Whig Party. For example, I will continue my efforts to recruit new members to the party. Also, I will continue to speak out against people who attack our party in an unfair way and take part in future GOTV operations. All I do is handing the chairmanship over to another party member - there are many great guys in our party who could do that job so there is no reason to be pessimistic about the future of the Whig Party.
Indeed, there are many things to do in my home region at the moment so this is the perfect time to step down and focus on the Mideast.

I hereby motion for the party to officially support and affix it's name to the amicus curiae brief of Nathan as it pertains to Tweed vs. DoFE.

AYE

Aye... I'm glad we are doing this as a party as opposed to individuals

I have informed the Senator of my support of his brief. It's an AYE from me a well.

Aye.

I support Nathan's position and agree the Whig Party ought to do the same. We must stand in support of the rule of law.

Voting will last 24 hours, from three minutes prior to this post.

Aye.

Immediate Resignation as Chairman

Contrary to what I stated yesterday, I have decided to step down as chairman of the Whig Party immediately. I have informed vice chairman Simfan of my decision. Simfan will lead the party at least until the next regular election for chairman in August since our bylaws make clear that the vice chair automatically becomes chairman if the chairman resigns.

In order to elect a new vice chairman we first need to hold a vote of non-confidence on Vice Chair "vacancy" - we still haven't got around to fixing this loophole in our bylwas. My apologies. :P

Party members who would like to become vice chairman should apply for the office as soon as possible.

ZuWo, thank you again for your service as Chairman

Simfan, congratulations!

I move to hold a vote of no confidence on Vice Chairman Vacancy

Due to the critical nature of the situation, I am abbreviating voting to one more hour, at which point if there are no objections I shall deign an assumption of unanimity is in order.

Clarence, motion seconded. Voting will last 24 hours from the next hour.

abstain (on Nathan's brief) - this court case highly amuses me

Since no objections have been aired, I will sign the brief as follows:

Simfan, Acting Chairman of the Whig Party
ex rel the Whig Party and its members

Aye on my motion

Aye

Aye on Clarence's motion

Aye.

Aye

Aye aye, cap'n.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=155325.new#new

I need your chairman to contact me with a logo and party description as soon as possible to update it

^^^

Simfan, that's your job now! ;)

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The Whig Party is Atlasia's main conservative party, broadbased but generally identified as center-right. The cornerstone of the Whig Party is, of course, communitarianism. This is interpreted as placing a high importance of the family and the community, a belief in strengthening social capital and social institutions, and voluntary co-operation for mutual benefit within a free-market structure. To that extent, the Whig Party is decidedly pro-free-markets and economically liberal, but also that the government is not the arbiter nor origin of economic growth, but rather a force than can and should be used to assisted the marketplace in its growth, in the interests of communities and the nation.

The Whig Party is also socially conservative, adopting much of the platform of the Right to Life Caucus. Its foreign policy platform is multilateralist but supportive of a robust and proactive defense programme.

Vice Chairman is hereby removed from office.

Who shall run for Vice Chairman?

I will run if there are no others who'd like to

I approve of this for what it's worth.

I support Clarence

Thank you all for the support- I encourage one of you to run but will do my best if I am chosen

I'll wait until Friday, as I'm leaving the country in August so I'd like to get this done with quickly. If no one else stands, by then, I'll put you on the ballot, Clarence, but if you'd like to run anyway I would appreciate it if you'd let me know. 

That sounds good to me, Simfan- I will be going on a trip with my fiancee this weekend beginning Thursday to Monday... I will let you know by tomorrow evening

You have my support, clarence. Enjoy the trip.

I hereby declare Clarence has won the position of Party Vice Chairman by acclamation.

I plan to open our convention on Monday.

I assume I can have my Chairman position back?

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