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Title: Canada with British parties
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on January 31, 2012, 08:11:26 PM
 (NOT RIDINGS!, PARTIES!!!)

Discuss with maps.


Title: Re: Canada with British parties (NOT RIDINGS!, PARTIES!!!)
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on January 31, 2012, 08:28:44 PM
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Title: Re: Canada with British parties (NOT RIDINGS!, PARTIES!!!)
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on January 31, 2012, 08:53:45 PM
Why would Churchill, which is what we would call a mining constituency, be anything other than Labour?


Title: Re: Canada with British parties (NOT RIDINGS!, PARTIES!!!)
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on January 31, 2012, 10:05:03 PM
There's mining up there? Ah. I'd not realized. I had presumed it was more of a remote middle sized town (thompson) which would IMO be more tory-friendly than with Canadian parties.


Title: Re: Canada with British parties (NOT RIDINGS!, PARTIES!!!)
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on January 31, 2012, 10:12:42 PM
I've done a little digging on economics and changed two of the maps.

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Title: Re: Canada with British parties (NOT RIDINGS!, PARTIES!!!)
Post by: Smid on February 01, 2012, 01:28:15 AM
I'm curious about London North Centre... isn't it mostly manufacturing workers? I could be wrong, that's just the picture I have in my head. 


Title: Re: Canada with British parties (NOT RIDINGS!, PARTIES!!!)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 01, 2012, 01:31:23 AM
I think the 2011 map would be pretty close, no?


Title: Re: Canada with British parties (NOT RIDINGS!, PARTIES!!!)
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on February 01, 2012, 02:01:38 AM
I'm curious about London North Centre... isn't it mostly manufacturing workers? I could be wrong, that's just the picture I have in my head. 
uh... which one is where the university is :P That's the one the Liberals would win. I think they'd do very well in university areas. Kingston is the only "university town" I think they'd lose because Kingston has a lot more stuff going on.

Earl: this is the 2011 map :D


Title: Re: Canada with British parties (NOT RIDINGS!, PARTIES!!!)
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on February 01, 2012, 02:06:22 AM
totals btw
C - 142
L - 126
LD - 33
SNP/PC - 6
Green - 1


Title: Re: Canada with British parties (NOT RIDINGS!, PARTIES!!!)
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on February 01, 2012, 02:20:00 AM
Note that the above presumes Quebec as modelled after Scotland. This is Quebec if it were NI.

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C-141
L-68 (really hurt by the lack of a scotland/wales)
DUP-39
SDLP-26
LD-23
UUP-6
SF-2 (abstentionist)
APNI-2
Grn-1

Note that I used NI's DUP-over-UUP, but Canada's NDP-nationalism-over-the-BQ-more-extreme-stance, which explains why the DUP and SDLP split the province, and SF is nearly dead.




Title: Re: Canada with British parties (NOT RIDINGS!, PARTIES!!!)
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on February 01, 2012, 02:22:23 AM
I actually think the above, in a modified form, might be a good idea. You could have a Bloc Quebecois for separatists, but a Bloc Canada as well. The Liberals, Conservatives, and NDP would all agree not to run candidates in Quebec, and endorse the Bloc Canada, which would run head to head with the Bloc Quebecois, and then the BC could form a coalition with whomever wins the election in the RoC.

Then again, the NDP has truly, I feel, done permanent damage to the Bloc. No more will leftos in Quebec vote for the Bloc because there is no other lefto option. I can not see a time when the NDP will have less than 3 MP's in the province, and the vote splitting with the NDP and Bloc will ensure that the Bloc will never see 50 seats again.


Title: Re: Canada with British parties (NOT RIDINGS!, PARTIES!!!)
Post by: Smid on February 01, 2012, 02:50:36 AM
I'm curious about London North Centre... isn't it mostly manufacturing workers? I could be wrong, that's just the picture I have in my head. 
uh... which one is where the university is :P That's the one the Liberals would win. I think they'd do very well in university areas. Kingston is the only "university town" I think they'd lose because Kingston has a lot more stuff going on.

No worries, I stand corrected!


Title: Re: Canada with British parties (NOT RIDINGS!, PARTIES!!!)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 01, 2012, 05:13:25 PM
I'm curious about London North Centre... isn't it mostly manufacturing workers? I could be wrong, that's just the picture I have in my head. 
uh... which one is where the university is :P That's the one the Liberals would win. I think they'd do very well in university areas. Kingston is the only "university town" I think they'd lose because Kingston has a lot more stuff going on.

Earl: this is the 2011 map :D

No, I mean the 2011 Canadian map would look a lot like a map using British parties.



Title: Re: Canada with British parties (NOT RIDINGS!, PARTIES!!!)
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 01, 2012, 07:03:21 PM
No, I mean the 2011 Canadian map would look a lot like a map using British parties.

Much, much closer than any previous federal map, yeah.


Title: Re: Canada with British parties (NOT RIDINGS!, PARTIES!!!)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 01, 2012, 10:22:05 PM
No, I mean the 2011 Canadian map would look a lot like a map using British parties.

Much, much closer than any previous federal map, yeah.

This would have been a much more interesting exercise prior to 2011.


Title: Re: Canada with British parties
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on February 02, 2012, 09:34:05 AM
No, I mean the 2011 Canadian map would look a lot like a map using British parties.

Much, much closer than any previous federal map, yeah.

This would have been a much more interesting exercise prior to 2011.
Give me a bit on that.


Title: Re: Canada with British parties
Post by: afleitch on February 02, 2012, 09:51:32 AM
No, I mean the 2011 Canadian map would look a lot like a map using British parties.

Much, much closer than any previous federal map, yeah.

This would have been a much more interesting exercise prior to 2011.
Give me a bit on that.


How would Quebec vote in provincial elections with Scottish parties? :)


Title: Re: Canada with British parties
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on February 02, 2012, 11:03:19 AM
No, I mean the 2011 Canadian map would look a lot like a map using British parties.

Much, much closer than any previous federal map, yeah.

This would have been a much more interesting exercise prior to 2011.
Give me a bit on that.


How would Quebec vote in provincial elections with Scottish parties? :)

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Title: Re: Canada with British parties
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 02, 2012, 11:27:42 AM
Labour is almost always translated as "Parti travailliste", at least when I see PM's question time on CPAC and according to Wikipedia.


Title: Re: Canada with British parties
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on February 02, 2012, 11:47:51 AM
ok??


Title: Re: Canada with British parties
Post by: King of Kensington on April 08, 2012, 05:06:54 PM
Why are York West and Etobicoke North Lib Dem seats?  These would be Labour through and through (OK, maybe Etobicoke North would be where the Galloway upset occurred?)  Don Valley West is more likely to be Lib Dem than either of these two.


Title: Re: Canada with British parties
Post by: adma on April 08, 2012, 06:26:59 PM
And for that matter, Etobicoke Centre is more likely to be Lib Dem as well...


Title: Re: Canada with British parties
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on April 10, 2012, 07:40:23 PM
(OK, maybe Etobicoke North would be where the Galloway upset occurred?)

Is it dominated by a single minority group with its own (opaque to outsiders) political traditions though? That's not a rhetorical question.