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Title: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on February 02, 2012, 02:57:27 PM
President Rousseff already begun her cabinet reshuffle. Some days ago, Fernando Haddad left Education to run for São Paulo's mayor by PT and was replaced by PT giant former senator Aloizio Mercadante, who was in Science and Technology portfolio. In turn, he was replaced by Marco Raupp, a non-partisan physicist, who was serving as President of Spatial Agence.
Today, embattled Minister of Cities Mario Negromonte (PP-BA) resigned after denounces that he met with a lobbyst and that a project was altered only to provide gains for builder. He'll go back to Chamber and he'll be replaced by freshman Aguinaldo Ribeiro (PP-Paraiba). New minister is son of former Congressman Enivaldo Ribeiro (imbroiled in leeches' schem) and mayor of Pilar Virginia Borges. This will help campaign of his sister Daniela Ribeiro to Campina Grande mayoral job. His nomination was criticized by Landless Peasants Movement, because his grandfather Aguinaldo Veloso Borges was appointed as intellectual author of peasants activists. In PP Chamber Leadership, he should be replaced by Arthur Lira, son of Senator Benedito de Lira (Alagoas).


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: batmacumba on February 08, 2012, 08:49:03 AM
Hey, Rod,
wouldn't it be better to have one big brasuca thread, instead of opening a new one everytime something happens?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on February 08, 2012, 02:35:30 PM
Terrific Idea, my friend.
Now, Dilma nominated her former prison mate Eleonora Menicucci to Secretary of Women, replacing Iriny Lopes, who's going to run for Vitória (ES) mayoralship. New minister is Professor of Federal University of São Paulo, non-partisan, and she said that she's pro-choice.
In Bahia, police strikes goes on. Governor Wagner offered amnesty to non-violent strike acts, and a salarial growth until 2015. Strikers want first stage (governor offered to November) now and 2nd stage by next year. Legislative Assembly is occupied by strikers, since last week, and is besieged by army troops since last Sunday.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on February 09, 2012, 11:35:38 AM
Policeman that occupied Legislative Assembly of Bahia left building this morning, after phone recordings were released saying about vandalism plans by their leader, former policeman (expelled in 2002) Marcos Prisco. Prisco, who is affiliated to PSDB, was talking with another striker about blocking Rio-Bahia highway and burning of police vehicles. He's imprisioned at Army quarters in Salvador.
Rio de Janeiro's policemen and firefighters are also planning a strike (or a mutiny) too. State Deputy Janira Rocha (PSOL) was giving orientation to firefighter corporal Benevenuto Daciolo who led protest at Rio de Janeiro to prevent a compromise in Bahia before Rio's strike. Daciolo was imprisioned after plane where he was landed at Rio from Salvador.
Senator Eduardo Suplicy, famed by citing famous musics during his Senate discourses, gave an eulogy to popular singer Wando, died yesterday. He cited some musics.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: batmacumba on February 09, 2012, 01:15:52 PM
No...
Suplicy's prosodic habilities applied on that hilariously cheesy musical puke...
That must be amazing!


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on February 09, 2012, 02:08:07 PM
Imagine when Reginaldo Rossi go to Heaven..."Garçom, aqui nessa mesa de bar...". Senator Suplicy is one of the reasons that our Senate is paradise.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on February 09, 2012, 02:52:36 PM
What the Sao Paulo municipal election looking like? Is Kassab likely to be reelected? Will Marta or Serra run again? And what is about Serra joining the PSB? Serra is the PSDB!


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: batmacumba on February 09, 2012, 06:34:49 PM
Calm down, calm down. I'll start it soon.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on February 09, 2012, 07:48:18 PM
Kassab won't run, as he replaced Serra in mayoral job, but he's pushing a candidacy of Lieutenant Governor Guilherme Afif Domingos by his big-tent PSD. Kassab with his move towards center got a high unpopularity.
Serra has already ruled out running. He's going more unsatisfied with PSDB and wants to run 2014 again for presidency. He can join PPS (former commies who became right wing) to achieve that. I believe that he won't run because his bad polling numbers only in low 20s with high name recognition and 35% of unfavorability.
PSDB is going to have primaries in March. There are four candidates. Ricardo Tripoli (a enviromentalist congressman), José Aníbal (veteran former chairman of PSDB), Bruno Covas (State Enviroment Secretary and grandson of former governor Mario Covas) and Andrea Matarazzo (State Culture Secretary and Serra's candidate, he's also a close cousin of Senator Suplicy).
And now, PT. Marta wanted to run, but Lula is the owner of party and insisted to put Fernando Haddad, former Minister of Education as candidate.
In polls without Serra, who's leading is Celso Russomano, now in PRB (UCKG's party).
http://datafolha.folha.uol.com.br/po/ver_po.php?session=1176


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on February 12, 2012, 10:39:36 AM
Two news. One good and bad about former President Lula:
The bad. Lula is back in hospital due to stress and difficulties to eat. He'll end radiotherapy this week and treatment is very hard.
The good. Medical exams say that his tumor disappeared. He'll go to last sessions of radiotherapy only for precaution and he'll be submited to reviews during 5 years.
In Bahia, police strike ended. After audiotapes were released, strikers' movement was weakened. Strikers accused media of editing audiotapes.
Now, Gabriel Chalita (PMDB) is receiving accusations of self-plagiarizing in his 2nd masters thesis about 16th century political philosophy (Maquiavel and La Boétie). He said that he made that under suggestions of his teacher.
This Sunday is a great day. We're going to have our first game under our new manager Paulo Roberto Falcão against landfill's team Vitoria. Bora Bahêa, minha p...


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on February 15, 2012, 06:45:35 PM
PSDB State Legislative Caucus in São Paulo appealed to Serra run saying that he's only competitive guy in the party. Believe or not, but Serra is going to be trounced. I believe that Chalita will win this thing.
PDT's running-mate to controversial trade unionist Paulinho da Força can be Joaquim Grava, doctor for Corinthians, most popular soccer team in São Paulo.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: batmacumba on February 17, 2012, 09:23:54 PM
This year's elections promise to be one of the funniest in decades. It's pityfull that the electronic ballots don't allow some Cacareco's descendant to run.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on February 24, 2012, 01:49:27 PM
Carnival ended and champions were:
Sao Paulo: Mocidade Alegre - School paid a hommage to writer from Bahia Jorge Amado, who would complete 100 years, if alive, this year. Amado also served as commie congressman between 1946 and 1947 for São Paulo
Rio de Janeiro: Unidos da Tijuca - School lead by carnavalesco Paulo Barros, famous by human allegories, talked about Luiz Gonzaga, king of Baião, who would go 100 years this year too. Not a great parade, but fine.
Gavioes da Fiel, school who paid an hommage to Lula, ended in 9th place due to break-tie criteria with more 3 schools. Former First Lady Marisa Leticia went to parade, but Lula stayed at home after ending his cancer treatment.
Now, a sad news. Singer Pery Ribeiro, first to record "Girl from Ipanema", died today at 74. He was son of singer Dalva de Oliveira and composer Herivelto Martins.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on February 27, 2012, 01:44:17 PM
Now, it's official, José Serra jumped in São Paulo's municipal contest. Bruno Covas and Andrea Matarazzo already dropped out.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on February 29, 2012, 11:55:11 AM
Senator Crivella (PRB-RJ) was nominated to Fisheries' portfolio, replacing Luiz Sérgio (PT-RJ). Maybe this a maneuver to please PRB and UCKG in municipal elections and make PRB to support Haddad in São Paulo. Crivella is nephew to Bishop Edir Macedo, leader of UCKG. Luiz Sérgio will go back to Chamber.
In São Paulo, Tiririca said that he can run for mayoral job for PR. In Rio, PR, led by former governor Garotinho announced an alliance with Cesar Maia's DEM. Cesar's son, Federal Deputy Rodrigo Maia will go for mayoral job, while Garotinho's daughter, State Deputy Clarissa will be running mate.
DEM said that they can support Serra only if PSDB support their guys in Salvador (Antonio Carlos Magalhães Neto) and Recife (Mendonça Filho). DEM is negotiating an alliance with Gabriel Chalita (PSDB).


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on March 01, 2012, 09:35:32 PM
Former Congressman Fernando Santanna, a legendary communist, died today at 96 years in Salvador. He served 4 terms in congress (1959-63; 1963-64; 1983-87; 1987-91) and was expelled after Military Coup in 1964. He served his first 2 terms as PTB's member and 3rd as PMDB, while communists were illegal. He was Honorary President of Popular Socialist Party, heir to old PCB (now a subbordinate to PSDB). RIP!


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on March 03, 2012, 06:23:55 PM
Alagoas' justice refused to former Deputy Francisco Tenório (PMN) to resume his work of police sheriff. He was with an ankle monitor because links with homicides.
New poll in São Paulo:
José Serra (PSDB) 30% (+9%)
Celso Russomano (PRB) 19% (+2%)
Netinho de Paula (PC do B) 10% (-1%)
Paulo Pereira da Silva (PDT) 8%
Soninha Francine (PPS) 7% (-2%)
Gabriel Chalita (PMDB) 7% (+1%)
Fernando Haddad (PT) 3% (-1%)
Luiz Flavio D'Urso (PTB) 1% (-1%)
Levy Fidelix (PRTB) 1%
Soninha won't run and PPS will endorse Serra. Netinho too because he's unelectable due to domestic violence history.
Serra had a gaffe. He said that Brazil stayed as "United States of Brazil", name of country until 1967.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on March 03, 2012, 07:22:30 PM
Serra had a gaffe. He said that Brazil stayed as "United States of Brazil", name of country until 1969.

And when the "United States of Brazil" ceased to be an official name?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on March 03, 2012, 11:57:13 PM
Serra had a gaffe. He said that Brazil stayed as "United States of Brazil", name of country until 1969.

And when the "United States of Brazil" ceased to be an official name?

As far as I can tell, when the 1967 Constitution was adopted calling Brazil a "República Federativa" instead of a "Estados Unidos"


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: batmacumba on March 04, 2012, 08:59:34 PM
This. I have some 'Estados Unidos do Brasil' currency, It's weird to read them.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on March 10, 2012, 06:47:45 PM
News:
A nominate for Terrestrial Transports Agency was defeated in Senate, because PMDB's dissidency. Bernardo Figueiredo was being accused of corruption by Senator Roberto Requião.
A new point in cabinet reshuffle. Afonso Florence (PT-BA) will be replaced by Pepe Vargas (PT-RS) at Ministry of Agrarian Development.
In Bahia, former CEO of Petrobras José Sérgio Gabrielli took oath of office as new Secretary of Planning. He's being rumored to become PT nominee to governorship.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on March 12, 2012, 08:16:33 PM
Somedays after taking a leave from it functions, Ricardo Teixeira resigned as president of Brazilian Confederation of Football, after 23 years at job, like as chairman Local Organizer Committee of World Cup of 2014. He oficially resigned due to health problems, but he was suffering with a bad relationship with Joseph Blatter, President of FIFA and President Dilma Rousseff. Things began to turn bad to him after Andrew Jennings' investigation about ISL who linked him and his former father-in-law, João Havelange (former FIFA President) to bribes of more than $100 million. Last month, accusations surfaced about a scheme where a company linked to Teixeira and President of Barcelona received R$ 9 million from Federal District government to realize a game between Brazil and Portugal.
Teixeira's resignation was well received by Brazilian politicians. World champion of 1994, Congressman Romário (PSB-RJ) said that a "cancer was extirpated". He'll be replaced by oldest Vice President of CBF, José Maria Marin, who served as Governor of São Paulo between 1982 and 1983 (he was lieutenant of biggest crook in Brazilian politics - Paulo Salim Maluf). Marin, who'll chair organization of WC 2014 from now, had a gaffe saying that he'd be helped by Romário as assistant chairman, while the true thing is that Ronaldo is serving at that job.
In Senate, after ANTT debacle, Dilma replaced long-serving Romero Jucá (PMDB-RR) as leader of government by Eduardo Braga (PMDB-AM), one of dissenting voices in party.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on March 26, 2012, 03:00:53 PM
Yesterday, in a primary who was seen as mere formality, José Serra won PSDB primary for municipal election in São Paulo with 52.1%. José Aníbal got 31.2 and Ricardo Tripoli, 16.7%. This is seen as weak victory and looks that Serra will have a hard time to win municipal election.
In Chamber, Dilma switched leader Candido Vacarezza (PT-SP) for Arlindo Chinaglia (PT-SP).
In Salvador, mayor João Henrique (PP) can have accounts rejected by town councillors, after Opinion by Municipalities Account Trial.
DEM Senate Leader Demostenes Torres (GO) is under serious problems for links with bicheiro Carlinhos Cachoeira, same responsible by Waldomiro Diniz's scandal. He used links with politicians to get protection. Another involved are Sandes Jr. (PP-GO) and Carlos Alberto Lereia (PSDB-GO).


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on March 30, 2012, 10:31:54 PM
Demostenes Torres' situation is turning worse. He had to resign DEM's leadership that is now with President of DEM and former leader, José Agripino Maia (RN). PSOL requested an ethics' inquiry. Now, tapes were released showing that Demostenes was lobbying for a law project to protect Cachoeira's interests. Now, senator can be expelled of DEM and lose his mandate.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on March 31, 2012, 10:27:50 AM
Mayor João da Costa (PT) will be primaried in Recife, Pernambuco by licensed Congressman and Secretary of Pernambuco's government Mauricio Rands (PT). Former mayor João Paulo can join primary too. Many say that Rands has Campos and Lula support.
Another in Cachoeira's scandal. Actor Stepan Nercessian who is Congressman for PPS-RJ received R$ 170,000 from Cachoeira. He said that some of money was to buy tickets for Cachoeira in Rio's Carnival, while another money went to buy an apartment, but that was given back.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on April 04, 2012, 04:46:17 PM
More news: To not be expelled, Senator Demostenes Torres (GO) resigned DEM whip. Congressman and actor Stepan Nercessian (PPS-RJ) announced that he'd leave politics. Now, chief-of-staff to governor Marconi Perillo (PSDB-GO) resigned after her links with Carlinhos Cachoeira were exposed.
In São Paulo, Carlos Giannazi won PSOL's mayoral nomination nomination after a town hall series with other candidates, like Ivan Valente.
In Teresina, after Rejane Dias (PT), wife of senator Wellington Dias, dropped out, former Mayor Firmino Filho has a massive lead, with 52.1% of voters. Federal Deputy Marllos Sampaio (PMDB) has 17.1%, incumbent mayor Elmano Ferrer (PTB) has 13.9% and Atila Lira (PSB) has 7.2%.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Niemeyerite on April 05, 2012, 10:11:27 AM
I want to see who wins in Tarumirim (small town in Minas Gerais). I think I have some relative running there :p.

My family is voting for Lacerda in BH. They usually vote DEM or PSDB, and don't like alliances with leftist parties. But this time they'll vote for Lacerda. However, their opinion may change before the election, they're just too conservative.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on April 10, 2012, 05:05:28 PM
Poll Porto Alegre/RS - IBOPE
Manuela D'Ávilla (PC do B) - 37%
José Fortunati (PDT-inc) - 28%
Paulo Borges (DEM) - 6%
Ibsen Pinheiro (PMDB) - 4%
Adão Vilaverde (PT)/Nelson Marchezan Jr. (PSDB) - 2%
Manuela is favourite to win.
Curitiba/PR
Gustavo Fruet (PDT) - 26%
Ratinho Jr. (PSC) - 24%
Luciano Ducci (PSB-inc) - 16%
Rafael Grecca (PMDB) - 7%
Dr. Rosinha (PT) - 4%
Renata Bueno (PPS) - 2%
I think that Ducci (he's PSB, but runs as right-winger) has good chances to win, although he is 3rd. Fruet should get PT endorsement.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 19, 2012, 03:59:24 PM
Why is Brazilan politics so variable? National parties (mainly PSDB and PT) polling so dismally in some elections while fairly minor parties are in the lead? I mean the PT and PSDB and PT are tied for last in Porto Alegre.

Hey, how's my man Beto Richa doing? And how is Andre Pucinelli- last I read about him he was facing some corruption charges.

Alagoas' justice refused to former Deputy Francisco Tenório (PMN) to resume his work of police sheriff. He was with an ankle monitor because links with homicides.
New poll in São Paulo:
José Serra (PSDB) 30% (+9%)
Celso Russomano (PRB) 19% (+2%)
Netinho de Paula (PC do B) 10% (-1%)
Paulo Pereira da Silva (PDT) 8%
Soninha Francine (PPS) 7% (-2%)
Gabriel Chalita (PMDB) 7% (+1%)
Fernando Haddad (PT) 3% (-1%)
Luiz Flavio D'Urso (PTB) 1% (-1%)
Levy Fidelix (PRTB) 1%
Soninha won't run and PPS will endorse Serra. Netinho too because he's unelectable due to domestic violence history.
Serra had a gaffe. He said that Brazil stayed as "United States of Brazil", name of country until 1967.

I thought the PPS was a leftist party. And how is the PT's candidate doing so poorly? Is there no party loyalty in Brazil?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on April 19, 2012, 06:05:11 PM
Our political formation and coalition things. Some parties are so similar (PT and PC do B) that elections between them are more because personal reasons than that. PT and PSDB candidates are also unknown by now. Manuela has appeal to PT voters.
Beto Richa is by polls a very popular governor, but his candidate in Curitiba, Luciano Ducci (PSB), is trailing at polls. PT decided to endorse Fruet to Curitiba mayoral job.
Puccinelli's son and his candidate for Campo Grande mayoral job are being accused of forging evidences of vote buying against a political rival. Puccinelli is a crazy man, that promised to rape former Enviroment Minister.
PPS was a left-wing party until 2004. Roberto Freire is now a PSDB's subbordinate.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 21, 2012, 01:02:44 AM
I see. So does that leave Soninha a leftist?

What about 2014-is Richa in consideration?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on April 30, 2012, 01:30:18 PM
Soninha is very loyal to Serra, but she says to be left-wing and pro-Marijuana and pro-choice.
PSDB candidate will be Aécio. Richa will have a hard time to be re-elected as PT candidate will be charismatic Chief of Staff Gleisi Hoffman who'll have federal government by her. And there are appearing evidences of Richa's links with Cachoeira's scheme.
CPI of Cachoeira will be chaired by Senator Vital do Rego (PMDB-PB) and related by Deputy Odair Cunha (PT-MG).
New Minister of Labour will be Brizola Neto (PDT-RJ). He's grandson to legendary leader Leonel Brizola and greatnephew to former president João Goulart.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: batmacumba on May 07, 2012, 08:09:38 AM
PSB-PR is pretty right-wing, since Arraes lend It to Lerner. Most of It's members came from former PFL. PPS became a completely different outfit since the early 90's, and is a social-liberal party, on the European sense, but heavily linked to the elites. I wouldn't put them on the left wing. They're also media whores, much like the PV, which makes them a PSDB puppet party. In addiction, Richa is no presidential material.
Soninha [Sonsinha] Francine is probably the best representation of Brazilian former progressive part of the upper-middle class. A liberal youngster, she was a MTV host concerned with citizenship and youth political participation, with a clear green politics approach, joined the PT, getting out during the mensalão scandal, mainly due media pressure. Subsequentially, She followed any media trend, becoming a harsh anti-Petista, repeating plenty of right-wing speech delivered by our harder-than-Fox anti-left MSM, but yet maintaining a green approach and defending sustaintable ways of life. I would characterize her as being blue-green, nowadays. Simpathetic, but silly. She also became a staple of despise/hate by the left, due her clueless rants and mainly for being in charge of Serra's poisonous internet campaign (which, in turn, triggered a hilarious grassroots anti-Serra campaign).


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on May 09, 2012, 04:10:42 PM
In Brazil, we call media as Party of Coupist Press (Partido da Imprensa Golpista).
In Cachoeira's Inquiry Committee, there are some ilustrious and controversial members, like Senator Cassio Cunha Lima (PSDB-PB), expelled of governorship because vote buying, and Fernando Collor de Mello (PTB-AL), of history that all of us know.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on May 09, 2012, 09:35:42 PM
Cassio was impeached? When was this?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on May 10, 2012, 06:11:02 AM
He lost mandate through Electoral Justice in 2009. 2nd placed candidate, José Maranhão (PMDB) served what remained of term, but was defeated in 2010 election.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: batmacumba on May 10, 2012, 05:57:20 PM
He lost mandate through Electoral Justice in 2009. 2nd placed candidate, José Maranhão (PMDB) served what remained of term, but was defeated in 2010 election.

This was a weird election. The PT allied with the 'centrist' bunch of the oligarchy, while both the 'progressive' and 'conservative' oligarchic wings supported a young progressive reformer.

Do you have any clue of how's Coutinho's administration doing? Is He following Dudu Beleza's achievements? More to the right, more to the left?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on May 10, 2012, 07:08:04 PM
Coutinho is being a very unpopular governor, with some difficulties at Legislative Assembly.
Now, Dilma has chosen members of Commission of Truth, about military dictatorship murders and violence.
A sad note: Neiva Moreira, former congressman from Maranhão, has died at 94. His birth city was Nova Iorque of Maranhão. He was founder of PDT (Brizolist party) and one of most notorious opponents of Sarney family. In 2010, he endorsed Serra. RIP!


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on May 21, 2012, 02:08:18 PM
PT Recife primary: Mayor João da Costa (PT) and State Secretary Mauricio Rands (PT) are fighting through Justice because PT primary, yesterday. Costa won, but Rands claims a lot of irregularities. Rands was endorsed by former mayor João Paulo Lins e Silva, senator Humberto Costa and has undercover support of Governor Eduardo Campos (PSB), who is married with a cousin of him. Senator Armando Monteiro Neto (PTB) ruled out support for PT after controversies.
In national PT ads, former president Lula appears with Fernando Haddad, his handpicked candidate in São Paulo.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: batmacumba on May 22, 2012, 08:53:02 PM
Great day. Cabo Anselo's amnesty compensation was denied (It seems Nilmário Miranda finally accepted the black flag theory), the law that allows government to take properties where there was slave labour (or in conditions analogue to slavery)  passed with minimal opposition (which shows the real power of the 'ruralist' caucus) and once again the congress was turned into a circus, with the testimony of Carlinhos Cachoeira.
Now I have some trust on the Truth Commission and the day Cachoeira will show the links between Zé Dirceu and Perillo (with some other Toucans as a bonus).


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on May 23, 2012, 06:20:57 PM
Dirceu is a victim of Cachoeira's scheme. Cachoeira in testimony said nothing. Only good thing was his wife.
In Rio Largo, Alagoas, all of town councillors and mayor are on jail due to selling of a land area for a value lower than needed.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on May 30, 2012, 07:20:46 PM
In Brazil: a big controversy appeared between Gilmar Mendes, Cardoso-appointed justice of Supreme Court and former President Lula. Mendes said that Lula tried to blackmail him in Mensalão's trial with accusations of links with Carlos Cachoeira's scheme. Gilmar was very linked to senator Demostenes Torres (former DEM-GO) and they said that had conversations unlawfully tapped that never appeared. This made Lula to fire Intelligence's chief Paulo Lacerda, who as Chief of Federal Police was responsible for a lot of operations against corruption.
Torres testified to Senate yesterday. He performed somewhat well but I doubt he can be saved from being expelled.
Governors Marconi Perillo (PSDB-GO) and Agnelo Queiroz (PT-DF) will be called to testify in Joint Inquiry Committee about Cachoeira's scheme. Perillo, jokingly, tried to testify yesterday, but was refused. Committee refused to call Sergio Cabral (PMDB-RJ), personal friend of Fernando Cavendish, owner of Delta (building company) who was linked to Cachoeira's scheme.
In Recife election, Mauricio Rands dropped out and party expects that mayor João da Costa to do same thing. Favourite to become PT's nominee is Senator Humberto Costa (PT-PE). If Humberto Costa gets to be elected, he'll be replaced in Senate by former Governor Joaquim Francisco who was elected by PFL, but is now in Campos' PSB.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: batmacumba on May 31, 2012, 03:28:17 PM
Oh, how this would be a better world if Mendes' extreme crookery finally get caught.
And LOL on Joaquim Francisco at PSB. 'Pai Arraia' must be whirling wild inside his coffin.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on June 06, 2012, 11:21:03 PM
Now, Perillo's problems are turning for worse. He sold a home where Cachoeira was living before prison. Home owner said that he paid in money, while he says that he received three checks.
In São Paulo, PSB is going to endorse Haddad, while PR will endorse Serra, corrected.
In Recife, Humberto Costa (PT) will be candidate for Mayor. National PT vetoed João da Costa.
In Salvador, former mayor Mario Kértesz (PMDB) will go back to politics after 20 years. He went from politics to become one of most-listened radio hosts in Bahia. He served two times as mayor, one as governor-appointed from 1979 to 1981 and elected from 1986 to 1988.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: batmacumba on June 07, 2012, 12:54:54 AM
Now, Perillo's problems are turning for worse. He sold a home where Cachoeira was living before prison. Home owner said that he paid in money, while he says that he received three checks.

And Veja is proving again to be more hackish than Pravda and Granma multiplied by FOX. This week issue is trying their best to transform It in a problem of the government, while It seems to me that Grupo Abril has more than weak connections with the story.

In São Paulo, PSB is going to endorse Haddad, while PSDB will endorse Serra.
In Recife, Humberto Costa (PT) will be candidate for Mayor. National PT vetoed João da Costa.

Haddad's candidacy is the dumbest moving Lula's done in his carreer (or the smartest one, and I'm a moron). Pernambuco's PT seems to be even more divided than MG's.

In Salvador, former mayor Mario Kértesz (PMDB) will go back to politics after 20 years. He went from politics to become one of most-listened radio hosts in Bahia. He served two times as mayor, one as governor-appointed from 1979 to 1981 and elected from 1986 to 1988.

Wow! Eliseu, now Kértesz... Who'll be on Return of the Mummy III, Antônio Ermírio?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on June 08, 2012, 12:48:44 AM
Kértesz' newest personal enemy is state legislator Reverend Sargent Isidorio (PSB), a crazy former policeman who was expelled from state police in 2001 strike. Isidorio says that is a former gay and that had AIDS. Isidorio fought against prostate exam too.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: batmacumba on June 08, 2012, 02:00:44 AM
Kértesz' newest personal enemy is state legislator Reverend Sargent Isidorio (PSB), a crazy former policeman who was expelled from state police in 2001 strike. Isidorio says that is a former gay and that had AIDS. Isidorio fought against prostate exam too.

Afraid to fall in love with the physician. Well, He is interesting from the political sociology POV, representing the perdurance of two trends in PSB: the 2001 policemen strikers and Garotinho's evangelicals. Here in MG these two political animals keeps on a neverending circulation throughout PSB, PMDB and some random just-for-election acronym. Sometimes they stop on PDT.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on June 08, 2012, 04:10:45 AM
Isidorio ran for PT in 2002 and got in, attempted a seat in Brasilia in 2006 for PSC and failed and came back in 2010 for PSB. He's a lunatic. He would make a good candidate for M5S in Italy.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on June 08, 2012, 06:19:08 AM

Well, duh! He's in the lead, right?

Isidorio ran for PT in 2002 and got in, attempted a seat in Brasilia in 2006 for PSC and failed and came back in 2010 for PSB. He's a lunatic. He would make a good candidate for M5S in Italy.

Well M5S is actually looking like a major party, so... but this party shifting is weird. Speaking of party shifters, can anyone tell me when Rita Camata switched from PMBD to PSDB and what positions she's held? Even the Portuguese wiki won't tell me, all I know is that she's been a Federal Deputy. Was she ever mayor of Vitoria?

Now, Perillo's problems are turning for worse. He sold a home where Cachoeira was living before prison. Home owner said that he paid in money, while he says that he received three checks.

And Veja is proving again to be more hackish than Pravda and Granma multiplied by FOX. This week issue is trying their best to transform It in a problem of the government, while It seems to me that Grupo Abril has more than weak connections with the story.

Veja? Hackish? Really? I say this without sarcasm; I thought they were quite impartial. Rightist, yes, but balanced, more akin to The Atlantic than anything. Speaking of Veja, is there an English version somewhere one could subscribe to?

I've always been surprised as to how right-wing the Brazilian press generally is, and how the people keep on electing PT candidates.

In Salvador, former mayor Mario Kértesz (PMDB) will go back to politics after 20 years. He went from politics to become one of most-listened radio hosts in Bahia. He served two times as mayor, one as governor-appointed from 1979 to 1981 and elected from 1986 to 1988.

Wow! Eliseu, now Kértesz... Who'll be on Return of the Mummy III, Antônio Ermírio?

What is this I hear about Collor making a presidential run in 2014? :P


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on June 08, 2012, 03:25:42 PM
Serra is in lead. I corrected. It's PR which will endorse Serra.
Camata served five terms in Congress from 1987 to 2003 and from 2007 to 2011. She went to PSDB because her friendship with Serra and after her husband, Gerson Camata (PMDB) was going to retire (or denied renomination) from the Senate. In FHC government, she had a very anti-government vote, but was nominated for VP.
Brazilian press is a sh**t, but PT voters are poor people who don't link to media and don't have money to buy Veja.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on June 08, 2012, 03:41:37 PM
Serra is in lead. I corrected. It's PR which will endorse Serra.
Camata served five terms in Congress from 1987 to 2003 and from 2007 to 2011. She went to PSDB because her friendship with Serra and after her husband, Gerson Camata (PMDB) was going to retire (or denied renomination) from the Senate. In FHC government, she had a very anti-government vote, but was nominated for VP.
Brazilian press is a sh**t, but PT voters are poor people who don't link to media and don't have money to buy Veja.

But isn't Gerson still a senator and PMBD? If Serra had won, could Camata have run for President in 2010?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on June 14, 2012, 09:47:10 PM
Gerson retired in 2010. PSDB is very hegemonist and would deny presidential nomination to a non-tucano, unless Serra suported Rita Camata.
News from election:
In Rio de Janeiro, state legislator Marcelo Freixo (PSOL) will be candidate for mayor with former drummer Marcelo Yuka (PSOL). Freixo became famous for fighting against paramilitary milices who take control in some former drug-trafficking communities. He suffers death threats until today. Yuka was drummer of "O Rappa" until he was shot in an robbery and paralized waist down.
PSDB candidate in Rio will be Federal Deputy Otavio Leite (PSDB). He was Cesar Maia's deputy mayor in his last term.
ACM Neto (DEM) surprised everybody and announced that his running-mate will be Celia Sacramento (PV). It's first time that Greens align with Carlists in Salvador.
In my home city, running-mate to José Ronaldo (DEM) will be former state legislator Luciano Ribeiro (PMDB) that goes back to politics after 20 years. It will be first time that Colbert Filho endorses a DEM candidate.
In Sao Paulo, biggest news is that Luiza Erundina (PSB) accepted to be Fernando Haddad's running-mate. A strong ticket for PT.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on June 18, 2012, 03:31:43 PM
Big News:
Lula and Haddad made an agreement with Interpol's Wanted Paulo Maluf (PP). Erundina said that she can drop out as running-mate.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on June 22, 2012, 08:57:28 AM
Big News:
Lula and Haddad made an agreement with Interpol's Wanted Paulo Maluf (PP). Erundina said that she can drop out as running-mate.

What sort of agreement? I was thinking the other day, is Malufe going to ever hold political office again? You've got to almost feel sorry for him. Almost became president, but pissed too many people off....


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on June 25, 2012, 05:51:46 PM
Erundina dropped out as running-mate. PC do B will endorse Haddad.
Maluf will support Haddad. He got a position in Ministry of Cities. Maluf is chairman of PP in São Paulo and Federal Deputy. He isn't devil of 15 years ago, but a caricature. He's more nice parliamentary to humorists in Brazillian TV.
In Curitiba, Rafael Grecca (PMDB) will attempt to get back Curitiba's mayoral job, now with Roberto Requião's patronage.
In Recife, Eduardo Campos' candidate Geraldo Julio (PSB) got endorsement of Campos' then biggest rival, Jarbas Vasconcelos (PMDB). Julio will get mayoral spot.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: batmacumba on April 20, 2013, 09:19:01 PM
Rehabilitating this thread.

Actually, It seems that the Supreme Court ruling about SS couples in Brazil effectively legalized SSM. I'll give a check and post about It.

That's the actual situation:

There's a 1996 law that makes the facilitation of upgrading 'stable relationships' (a legally recognized situation, defined in the 1988 constitution) to marriages mandatory for courts and registration offices (cartórios).
With the 2011 resolution, allowing SS couples the right to form 'stable relationships', SSM rights are automatically granted, thus. The main difference is that, while a straight couple may apply directly for marriage, a SS one must, first, get a stable relationship registered. Since may 2011, many SS couples managed to get legally married, and, once this is a matter of constitutional interpretation, not of lawmaking, the only thing that could be changed would be creating full equal treatment, scrapping the 'stable relationship' phase.

The bad news is that a completely imbecilic bigot, a racist and homophobic evangelic priest managed to be selected for the Human Rights Commission in the congress!!!!!!


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: batmacumba on June 17, 2013, 11:46:57 PM
Well,

I'm trying to write this since last week, but I took my computer to the office (where the connection sucks) and have only my Methuselahmic laptop at home, so sorry for the delay.

Basically the country is on fire in a way it didn't happen since Collor's impeachment (and with a institutional response that wasn't seen since the dictatorship). And all because a mere 20 cents. Or they were only the grain that started the landslide.

Here is a text in English:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/18/world/americas/thousands-gather-for-protests-in-brazils-largest-cities.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/18/world/americas/thousands-gather-for-protests-in-brazils-largest-cities.html)
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Sharing a parallel with the antigovernment protests in Turkey, the demonstrations in Brazil intensified after a harsh police crackdown last week stunned many citizens. In images shared widely on social media, the police here were seen beating unarmed protesters with batons and dispersing crowds by firing rubber bullets and tear gas into their midst.
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There are some prequels, sure.
The liberal middle class is scared of the religious congressmen actions and their law proposals, one of them restricting abortion in the case of rape, plus giving the father (!!!) the right to share (or even to solely have, if the mother rejects) the guard of the child. Also, the director of the AIDS prevention program was forced to resign because of a advertise where prostitution wasn't put in a moralistic view.

Two weeks ago, an action of the Federal Police (our equivalent to the FBI), to settle a dispute between indigenous peoples and farmers resulted in the death of a native. President Dilma Roussef send the national Guard and stated: 'We've followed the law'.

Then, last week, a protest against the raise in bus tariffs was dealt with extreme brutality by the the police (in the case, controlled by the state government). Governor Alckmin simply didn't comment anything. The media (Veja, Folha de São Paulo, Rede Globo) called the protesters 'vandals' and 'rascals', deploring their 'radicalism' and stuff. Mayor Haddad said he wouldn't hear 'vandals'.
The next day, lots of citizens went out on the street. The police reaction was... unspeakable.
They started to persecute protesters and newspeople who were covering the situation. A reporter from the same Folha, who was standing away from the main area of conflicts was shot intentionally by a policeman, on the eye, with a rubber bullet. Tear gas bombs were thrown at anyone who dared be on the streets around. Beatings were happening everywere.


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The media deplored the protesters.

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What the owners of information still didn't realize is that they don't own it anymore. On Thursday night, everyone with a facebook account was posting and replicating lots of photos and videos showing nonviolent protesters being beat to the ground, teargas everywere and the police aggressively attacking anyone, without any motive, just to hurt.


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The weekend was one of tension. Other protests against bus tariffs started to pop. The media, suddenly, changed it's discourse: that weren't 'vandals' or 'rascals' anymore; now they were activists; they were protesting against 'the country's awful situation', 'the corruption of those politicians'.

No word on Alckmin's police brutality.
A lot of analysis on "How this is bad for Dilma's Government".
No word about the legal piece, produced by my state justice court, under the state government sponsorship, that forbid any demonstration on the Confederation Cup, around the stadium or anywhere, and which could be punished with prisons and high fees.

The most visible thing happening in the country these days is the Confederation Cup. So, for people in my city, it became an obvious target.

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Today, people gathered on the most busy part of the city at 13:00, to protest. It was a very generic protest.
There were the original anti-tariff people, local environmental groups, the strong young opposition to the mayor, lots of punks and trotskyists, but also, anti-Dilma people and a lot of folks questioning the meaning of expending with stadiums when health and education are still in a long way to be even mediocre. 'Round 25.000 to 35.000 people.
It was more of a protest for the right to protest (and against police brutality). Apart of this, you could find practically everything.
The march aimed to walk the 8 km, uphill and downhill, and uphill, and downhill again (this is a very hilly city) to the stadium. But, near the main entrance of the university campus, the policeforce, which until then was being very polite, simply mocked their colleagues from SP and started to attack cowardly the protesters, while they chanted "no violence".


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I accompanied the march on its first 4 or 5 Km, and got back to work, once I've found that everything was OK.
I'm still deciding if I should have been solidary and go all the way, or If I was lucky and escaped a very bad situation.

The traffic cameras which monitor the avenue were turn off a little earlier.
People who were working gathered at 18:00, 19:00, in the same monument, again, to protest against the police action. No one cared, but the folks who searched for sanctuary in the campus were being chased by the police until around 21:00. It seems that the whole problem, here, was the tentative to taint the sacrosanct happening of the Cup.


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Each city seems to have its own demands, brought to the surface by the monstrous action of SP's police. In Rio, more than 100.000 citizen went to the streets. Things were a little more complicated. Some idiots vandalized a ancient building, but, on average, it was much less problematic than one would expect of a demonstration, that big, which lacked leadership.


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And in Brasília, people danced on the congress ceiling.

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And occupied it.

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So, it's been a very cathartic thing, but completely unfocused. I fear our disgusting media may be able to control it, but few people I know agree with me.
Nevertheless, the amount of people I've saw falling on the narrative that this was against "this awful government" and the imbeciles asking for "Dilma's impeachment now!" who are popping all over Facialbook, is not little, but the reaction against "those reactionaries trying to control the movement" is also high.
Another one is scheduled this week, I hope I can follow it to see the reality, not the narratives.



Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: batmacumba on June 18, 2013, 09:51:10 AM
Nop. The main discussion is if the anti-Dilma right will be able to take it.
While the original protesters were leftists (partially governist, partially trotsy opposition), targeting SP's government (and this is the main reason why the media was aggressively against them), from the moment a bigger share of the population started supporting them, the same media changed completely its narrative and transformed their reports in some piece of fiction. Now, what was clearly against a municipal management ultracorporatist model (one of the best business there are, is to own a urban bus company), suddenly changed in 'the youth protesting against this awful government and all this awful state of things!'.

So, the indignation with SP's police brought lots of people who weren't concerned with the transportation model, while the media Machiavellian turncoating brought the opposition, who were trying to start protests since José Dirceu's fall - but always met a laughable failure.
Yesterday, I was behind a big group of PSTU (which is some trotskyist version of KKE) rank-and-file, plus their union people and, between them and me, a guy was standing with a poster asking for 'more free market'.
One of my very reactionary acquaintaces (the kind of guy who buy American and European hard-right speech, coupled with a neo-ultra-catholic vision of state, opposing any anticonformism) was praising the manifestation, only concerned with 'those vandals who may pervert it'. The same guy who, a year ago, was asking for some beating on a group who was being very vocal in a municipal issue.

My father, and everyone I know from his generation, is concerned with the lack of leadership, amazed about how such a thing can happen and fearing a 'fatherland saviour' may use the movements to break with institutional normality.

But, basically, here in Belo Horizonte, the march was composed by the old middle-class and high-middle-class children, plus the usual suspects, plus some older folks, like me, who are disgruntled with what we're perceiving as a restriction on our democratic rights. So, It's a too much diverse group to be conducted to an aim. And in each city there is a different grouping.

Let's see how the various groups, internet communities and media narratives will struggle between themselves.

Thanks for the educated question.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Niemeyerite on June 18, 2013, 01:33:37 PM
And then there's my family saying this is all happening because people are tired of PT. There are many ways of distorting things, unfortunately... And many people believe what newspapers say...


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: batmacumba on June 18, 2013, 03:56:09 PM
And then there's my family saying this is all happening because people are tired of PT. There are many ways of distorting things, unfortunately... And many people believe what newspapers say...

Not to mention the manipulative analysis on El País. That guy is a PSDB hack, I didn't see one 'new middle-class' youngster who wasn't a leftist militant. The unorganized youth was a thousand percent from the 'old one', which is, in practice, part of the white elite.

According to a friend in Salvador, the movement for public transportation reform was conspicuous there, and responsible for the great majority of the protest.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 19, 2013, 01:37:47 PM
Apparently a lot of the Brazilian national team players have voiced their support for the protests: Neymar (https://twitter.com/Njr92/status/347380955444559872), Lucas (https://twitter.com/LucasLeiva87/status/347119910163460096), Hulk, David Luiz, and Fred among others.

From what I've read, this seems to be similar to the Turkey protests, in that it's mostly made up of middle-class people. Is that true? What are working class/poor Brazilians views on all this?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Famous Mortimer on June 19, 2013, 04:58:56 PM
The Brazilian middle class is very different from the Turkish middle class. In fact they're almost exactly the opposite politically.

In Turkey, they're left-wing, in Brazil they're right wing.

Although the people protesting in Brazil may actually be the children of the middle class who are themselves poorer and more leftist.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on June 19, 2013, 07:14:05 PM
Message from a former Atlasite:

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For the whole of this year I have read article after article and listened to lecture after lecture on Brazil's mediocre economic performance (I'm surprised I haven't seen you at them, they're very informative), and have wondered, if, or really when, a movement like this would ever emerge, and lo and behold it has.

Now, the interesting thing is what this movement means. I recall looking at the first headlines and stories from Veja, Folha, et al, and they were calling the first protesters in SP "vandals", "rascals" and the like, but when they started to gain an anti-establishment tinge all of a sudden the media was talking up how the "activists" had valid concerns (which of course they do). Now, I'm openly right wing and probably more fond of the PSDB than is healthy for a foreigner, but it reeks of opportunism and an attempt to undermine the government... but perhaps it deserves to be undermined.

Now the big question is what happens next? The games will go ahead, that it certain, for it not to happen would be a major embarrassment for Brazil. These may be the biggest protests since Collor was impeached, but I don't think that's going to happen with this government (but hey, you never know). So it really comes down to the election next year, unless things really heat up.

The real question whether voters will recognize Marina, Aecio, or Eduardo Campos as representing real change or just "more of the same". Now I happen to think FHC was more transformative than Lula, and really what is happening is that the PT is no longer able to coast on the reforms made in the 90s- and they don't know what to do. But clearly I hold a minority position; if you look at both of Serra's campaigns he made a ham-handed attempt to "out-left" Lula and Dilma, which shows how uncommon it is.

These next 14 months will be huge for Dilma. She knows that cheap populism isn't enough anymore. We more or less have a middle class society now who now want quality education, healthcare and infrastructure. Serious attempts of reform is needed. The big one now is the concession of airports, roads and railways that will happen in the next 6 months. If that goes through, and construction starts next year with a great increase in investment that will give her some breathing room. She will also need to push and sign an anti corruption bill that most likely will be passed. Brazil's congress currently has many criminals "serving" the public, they need to be tried and go to jail. However at the moment the most pressing matter is happening at municipal level where mayors are suspending increases in transportation fares and even reducing prices. That will be the first thing, followed by the corruption bill. But we definitely need some legislation on tax reform, desperately needed.

What I'd like to see is someone who again challenges the high-tax, big government policies that we see today, which is what is holding back growth. I recall reading that many poor people were paying more in tax than they were getting from the Bolsa Familia. So it isn't even helping the poor. I could go on and on about structural problems, the electoral system, corruption, but then this would be too long to read.

But hey, FHC is "only" 82 years old... whaddya think?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Peter the Lefty on June 19, 2013, 07:33:09 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-22961874 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-22961874)
Dilma pretends to sympathize with the protesters.  And so it goes.  Lol


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: batmacumba on June 20, 2013, 12:09:38 AM
Well, let me put it this way:

everyone is projecting themselves on their analysis. The facts are:

- a traditional popular movement was putting their demands (the MPL - Movimento Passe Livre / Free [bus] Pass Movement, basically a movement led by students) - every year they do protests; while inflation was around 370% between 94-13, the bus tariffs raised 700% (in Belo Horizonte, can't tell about São Paulo) and a ever growing group defends that abolishing tariffs will, in the end, be more economic to the government;
- the traditional media systematically called them vandals (vândalos) and rascals (baderneiros), because, as traditional as the protests, were their conflicts with the police (a couple of years ago it was made obvious that the protesters were less to blame than the police force);
- this year, there were some precedents that were making many groups pissed off, and there is a spread perception that politics obey only rich pressure groups, with every sphere of government controlled by corporations, evangelicals and machine controllers, independently of party lines, usually in siamese twinning;
- also, this year, the police brutality went out of control; it was so grotesque that it made lots of people act in the way they could: sharing on social media;
- this made the traditional media look bad, but they, initially, didn't care; only after journalists got hurt by the police's coward actions, the fingerpointing to the 'rascals' stopped;
- once indignation was spread and people started getting out to the streets, to support the original protesters, a lot of narratives started:
    1 - finally 'the people' was showing the "spread dissatisfaction with 'the government'", that MSM always talked about, but had never put more than a dozen rich brats in the street;
    2 - it was against corruption;
    3 - it was the middle class demanding better services;
- a couple of demonstration days after, some of these groups really started showing themselves at the rallies, among other groups; neither of them is the 'new middle class'; anyone who repeat this narrative is ill-intentioned and had not even got to any of the demonstrations;
- basically, the groups that are showing there are:
    1 - the radical left;
    2 - groups advocating non-corporatist urban solutions, sustainable and focused on the citizen, not on constructors profits (these groups are, generally, twinned with those on item 1, or with the PT);
    3 - people showing unfocused indignation with police brutality, corporatist government control, authoritarian state government actions and an absolute lack of accountability by politicians of all parties;
    4 - elite kids, who adhered to the protests following the MSM narrative (they're each day more conspicuous, but far from majority, yet), complaining about anything the federal government does, including the programs for the poor; this ones tried to beggin anti-Lula or anti-Dilma demonstrations before, but were ridiculously unsuccessful;
    5 - people complaining that the spending with the World Cup is misdirected and should be going to healthcare and education (these are a mix of number 1 and 4, but - its my evaluation, sure - these last ones are doing it in a opportunistic way, once they were for welfare privatization, before);
- it's a very diverse group with very diverse demands, started by indignation and fulled by so many different (and sometimes opposite) dissatisfactions.

Anything else is a projection of the analyst.

So, let me project my analysis and concerns.

- Poor people are watching it with some amusement.
- The 'new middle class' only exists because this government's programs. They may share, now, some concerns with the old one, but they're still grateful enough to Lula and still see the PSDB as the guys who didn't want the kind of economy structure that put them forward.
- The intellectual part of the 'old middle class' is kinda confused, and could support the PT, the left opposition or someone who could convince them that the corporatist status can be broken.
- The traditionalist part of the 'old middle class' hates the PT government, once they've been told how bad it is for the last 11 years and they believe that the whole movement is what they were expecting from 'the people'.
- The actual elite is playing puppets and waiting to see what happens.
- Anything can happen with the protests.

- I remember very well FHC's government: nothing to do, nothing to work on, bare stagflation, a privatization program which put everything in the hands of PSDB's financial supporters, making awful deals for the State (many of them made the State pay to PSDB's guys get the companies); a general prosecutor who stopped any investigation against government staff; a quite decadence from Itamar Franco's and Ciro Gomes' Plano Real; so: no, thanks; anything that resemble it (a.k.a. neoliberalism or any name you give it) will gain my combat;
- the great problem the country is facing is the preponderance of business interests over public ones; and a myopic approach on infrastructure, following constructor's orientation, not planners;
- Cities are being utterly destroyed by over-construction, infrastructural works aimed at expanding car use, destruction of built cultural heritage to build skyscrapers where the extant infrastructure is unable to bear, brutal eviction of poor...

These two last concerns are (clearly for me) behind the diffuse dissatisfaction of one part of the original protests, the other part is more tricky, but I'll try to make a call.

The raise on living standards for the poor impacted greatly the middle class. Many of my somewhat conservative friends are complaining they aren't able to pay for the house servants anymore.
Yeah, that's what you've read. Housemaids, gardeners, handymen to change your lights. That's what the Brazilian middle-class was used. Working hands were so cheap, you lived like a rich. And then, one day, you can't pay them that crap you used to pay, anymore. They have options. But the problem is that you pay a somewhat expensive school for your children, a somewhat expensive healthcare plan, and the free, public option is crap.
So, first, you stop being a slot and start doing some home improvement yourself. But you work 44 hours a week, your wife too and your culture (and climate, and dust everywhere) asks for your house to be cleaned everyday; someone have to watch the children after school; poor are getting life-standard improvement, rich are getting richer, you have neither; you see a lot of things going in a wrong direction, you are a well informed person, but the political class seemed to have married entrepreneurs and forget about you. You pay the taxes for it all.
So, lots of my middle class friends started summing 2+2. And I was surprised, last weekend, to hear a bunch of people who had ever voted for the right saying: "our parents had free, good quality education and health care, affordable housing; they were convinced to change it, got what they were promised, but now our children will have neither".

Well, maybe this can be a too little and biased microcosmos, a bunch of thirty-many and forty-something years old professionals who were well educated in top-ranking universities, in a city where local politics were always dominated by left-social-christian politicians. But it is pretty telly for me.





Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: batmacumba on June 20, 2013, 12:24:54 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-22961874 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-22961874)
Dilma pretends to sympathize with the protesters.  And so it goes.  Lol

I don't doubt she sympathize, deep in the most unreachable part of her soul. But she compromised too much with too much crooks to do anything. The only thing the PT wants, is to preserve their social programs and neokeynesian model, at any cost.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: batmacumba on June 20, 2013, 12:52:36 AM
A glimpse on Monday's march, before the police attacked.

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Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Velasco on June 22, 2013, 04:53:44 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-22961874 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-22961874)
Dilma pretends to sympathize with the protesters.  And so it goes.  Lol

I think Dilma is facing the protests better than many of her counterparts in other corners of the Western world. At least she's feigning certain humility and seems to be receptive to the people's demands. Last news:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23012547

The Brazilian middle class is very different from the Turkish middle class. In fact they're almost exactly the opposite politically.

In Turkey, they're left-wing, in Brazil they're right wing.

I hope you're not talking about CHP. I think Dilma and Erdogan are opposites, on the other hand.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: afleitch on June 23, 2013, 02:59:06 PM
In related news, can Marco Feliciano be shot from a cannon into the sun?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: batmacumba on June 25, 2013, 08:55:29 PM
In related news, can Marco Feliciano be shot from a cannon into the sun?

Even my mass attending, pious catholic friends are wishing this, these days. Now that people`s choices may be medically treated, some people are pushing for religion to be included.
I think is fair.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: batmacumba on June 25, 2013, 09:07:18 PM
In other news, the mayor and the governor decreed tomorrow will not be a working day.

I`m trying to write about last week (here were probably the most problematic place, and some things are definily scary), but I`m having some time only now. I`ll try to post it still today, cause tomorrow will surely be a watershed day in all those things, for worse or for better.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Sec. of State Superique on June 25, 2013, 11:38:56 PM
The Brazilian middle class is very different from the Turkish middle class. In fact they're almost exactly the opposite politically.

In Turkey, they're left-wing, in Brazil they're right wing.

Although the people protesting in Brazil may actually be the children of the middle class who are themselves poorer and more leftist.

That is actually deadly wrong. The middle class of Brazil is fairly balanced, we have many people that become rich, neaveau riche, that do have a conservative background and stuff, we have some intelectual middle class that is pretty leftist, and we have our elite that is is highly conservative.

Many guys on the prostests on the streets are children from the conservative elite or from the neaveau riche elite, but they are not Conservative! Matter of fact, many of them, specially on Rio are moved by strong leftist ideas and many of them have supported Marcelo Freixo on Rio's Mayorial Election.

That is all.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: batmacumba on June 26, 2013, 11:10:54 AM
The Brazilian middle class is very different from the Turkish middle class. In fact they're almost exactly the opposite politically.

In Turkey, they're left-wing, in Brazil they're right wing.

Although the people protesting in Brazil may actually be the children of the middle class who are themselves poorer and more leftist.

That is actually deadly wrong. The middle class of Brazil is fairly balanced, we have many people that become rich, neaveau riche, that do have a conservative background and stuff, we have some intelectual middle class that is pretty leftist, and we have our elite that is is highly conservative.

Many guys on the prostests on the streets are children from the conservative elite or from the neaveau riche elite, but they are not Conservative! Matter of fact, many of them, specially on Rio are moved by strong leftist ideas and many of them have supported Marcelo Freixo on Rio's Mayorial Election.

That is all.

Also, these conservatives adhered only after they started watching the big media's fiction. There is a new-middle-class youth, too; they started appearing at the same time the conservatives did, and with a similar speech, but there are some interesting differences, I'll try to develop this later. Now It's time to go to the street.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: batmacumba on June 26, 2013, 08:18:20 PM
Well, I'm back from the marvellous sensation of breathing tear gas. And, this time, it seems the police was in their right.
Some updates:

Tuesday/thursday period summary:

Demonstrations were hold daily, usually starting in the beginning of the afternoon. The MSM kept the narrative of an anticorruption, antigovernment spirit (but contaminated with some vandals), lots of new groups adhered and things started getting even more confuse.

The dispute over the demonstrations' general face was maintained, with some rightwingers showing themselves, and this led to awful aggressions of those new groups against people from leftist groups. Believing the media narrative that the demonstrations were simply against the federal government, lots of elite children, right out of their gyms and shopping malls,  got out to the streets and, once they found 'invaders' (those awful leftists Veja told them to hate) they started beating lone leftists, on thursday, tearing their flags and breaking the masts. Sure, they didn't confront those who were organized in groups.

Also, real rascals started showing and vandalize anything they could. An imbecil attacked São Paulo's mayoralty building, on wednesday. It was shown, after, that his family had links on the transports business community, which led some to avent the possibily of an operation black flag. But it was just an imbecil.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: batmacumba on June 29, 2013, 10:30:31 AM
With a big delay, just to finish and retake the presidential candidates on the election thread.

Thursday/Saturday

The reaction on the left was more confuse. Many started saying that the demonstrations were transforming into some type of antidemocratic movement (and the general tone many of those new groups had, was very similar to fascistoid speech) and called for a boycott, with some complaining the anti-Dilma and impeachment calls were some kind of coup being staged.
Others reacted more sensibly, pondering that the unorganized left had started it all, that the platform of better healthcare and education, critics to corporatist urban manegement and struggle against the type of politics where an association of enterpreuners and politicians defines everything (not caring about the public) were all historical demands of the left, so it would be more important to keep remembering the population what it's all about.

Online, the dispute was between conservatives accusing the left of being hipocrates, considering right-wing demonstrations as tentative coup, while left-wing ones were 'the people on the streets'. Leftist answered telling that the conservatives had their right to demonstrate, but they should start their own rallys.
With the raise of anti-PT, anti-Left and anti-Dilma bunch, people started putting numbers, to counter them, showing that the petistas and other leftwing congresspeople were the only to vote on education funding, amongst other things.

Daily demonstrations kept going. The ones in Rio had clearly a more leftwing face (it was the city where evictions were more conspicuous, plus the ever anedoctally bad hospitals - once I needed some healthcare on the state, I couldn't even feel enraged; they were so void of any reliable service and so incompetent, I would just laugh if I wasn't in need of medical assistence). The ones in Brasília were more focused on the congress. The ones in São Paulo acquired a more generic anti-corruption tone, departing from its more focused beginning. In Belo Hotizonte, the tone became more anti-Cup.
The young leaders of the MPL, the movement which started the demonstrations were interviewed in a public channel (no speech about them on the private ones). They exposed their motivation, called the demonstrations not to loose their politization, in order to avoid manipulations, and stood to the questions of MSM journalists (who were, surprisingly, very fair with them).

On friday night, at 9PM, president Dilma came on national network to address the nation about the protests. She defended the right of demonstrators to be on the streets, but said that the 'vandals' wouldn't be tolerated (no word on police brutality); promised a national public transportation program and a national pact with governors and mayors on the enhancement of public services quality. Guaranteed that every public dime borrowed to build stadiums would return to the federal treasure and put forward a bill which was in the congress, allocating 100% of the funds generated by pre-salt oil drilling on education.
The speech was received with glee by petistas, with coolness by the rest of the left and with mistrust by the rest of the people, but it was efficient in avoiding a bigger unrest. The main reaction was 'Let's see'.

On Saturday, a big demonstration was already scheduled. There were more new-middle-class folks than usual. An interesting thing about them is the complete lack of any focused platform. Many political scientists noted that this is a community that lacks some kind of ideological cohesion and is thus completely unable to put forward cohese reivindications. The only way they know to show some insatisfaction is a generic patriotic speech, whitch makes them undistinguishable of the traditional Brazilian conservatives, who are still indebted with integralist speech. Nevertheless, when questioned, diferently of the conservative elite, they are very opened to leftwing proposals and don't see the state as a problem, only the system's corruption, while seeing entrepreuners as part of the problem.

Here, the demonstration was met with a harsh policial reaction; people fell from a viaduct (one of them died, this thursday) and were hit on the heads by teargas bombs. Some rascals reacted destroying a Hyundai carshop and set some public equipment on fire. Sure, media shown only these, and told the public that the police reacted to the rascals actions. This pissed of many demonstrators, but the media was all the time trying to separate 'pacific' from 'violent' demonstrators, calling for the first ones to separate themselves from the laters.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on October 10, 2014, 03:33:12 PM
Former Petrobras Director Reveals: Bribe Was Made To PT Treasurer

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The former Petrobras director Paulo Roberto Costa and currency exchanger Alberto Youssef indicated during an inquiry by the Brazilian Court of Justice that the treasurer of the Worker's Party (PT), João Vaccari Neto, received money from works carried out at the state-run company.

"The connection was different with him", Costa said at the inquiry last Wednesday, October 8th, in Curitiba, state of Paraná.

Vaccari denied the statements and said that all donations made to the Workers' party are lawful.

According to the deponents, three political parties received kickbacks as part of the scheme: the Workers' Party (PT), The Brazilian Democratic Movement Party (PMDB) and Progressive Party (PP).

The currency exchanger said that the middle man at PMDB was lobbyist Fernando Soares and he himself took and it was also him who managed the bribe destined to PP.

http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/internacional/en/brazil/2014/10/1530309-former-petrobras-director-reveals-bribe-made-to-workers-party-was-paid-to-its-treasurer-political-party-denies-it.shtml


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on March 18, 2015, 09:06:57 AM
Any chance?

Brazil: 10 good reasons to think the two-month-old government will go

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So much is going wrong in Brazil that it is hard to keep up. For years, critics have accused the government of incompetence. Now its actions are looking catastrophic – so much so that there are good reasons to think President Dilma Rousseff, who began a second four-year term only on January 1, may not last much longer.

http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2015/02/25/brazil-10-good-reasons-to-think-the-two-month-old-government-will-go/


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on March 18, 2015, 10:27:21 PM
Well, this thread deserves a large recap! :P

As you probably know, Dilma Rousseff (PT-RS) was barely reelected back in October 2014 after what was the tightest democratic election ever in Brazil's history. Most will remember the two-month roller coaster. More on the election here: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=170116.0

Some will probably remember that as the election went by, Brazil's economy started to show unequivocal signs of weakness, with shrinking growth, rising inflation, a weakening currency and a federal budget out of control. The economic weakness was made worse by the fact that the financial market clearly chose Aecio Neves as its candidate, as the government was blamed for the results of a failed economic strategy adapted from 2011 onward.

Some will remember that during the election, Dilma emphatically said that there was nothing wrong with the economy, that inflation was under control and that no adjustments would be needed. She also attacked both Aecio Neves and Marina Silva strongly, claiming that they would go on with privatizations, restricting worker's rights, cutting government spending on social problems, etc.

Some will also remember that as the election went by, the largest corruption scandal in Brazil's history started to be blown wide open for everyone, as its whistleblowers started to tell the feds all they knew about a gigantic corruption scandal underway in Brazil largest state owned company, Petrobras. 2 days before the runoff, it was leaked that, according to one of the whistleblowers, both Lula and Dilma knew about the wrongdoing and did nothing to stop it.

Well, just one day after the election Dilma was forced to go on a full "etch a sketch" mode, recognizing the economy was not in its best state and that some sacrifice would be needed. Later that week, interest rates were increased to curb escalating inflation, and soon after Dilma announced Joaquim Levy, an orthodox economist who was part of Aecio Neves' staff as her finance minister. Levy was supposed to set forth a series of unpopular measures, such as raising taxes and restricting access to pensions, social security and unemployment benefits.

A few days later, Dilma was faced with a disaster in potential as it became clear that the federal government would run a deficit in 2014, falling well short of the budgetary target set forth by the 2014 budget. Since that would violate Brazil's balanced budget law, an impeachable offence, Dilma was forced to bargain with the Congress a change on the fiscal target before December 31st. The consequence was that Dilma lost a lot of leverage and political power.

Dilma took an even stronger hit when the new Congress was sworn in. The new Congress has a much less stable majority than the one Dilma worked with on her 1st term, specially in the House. To make things worse, Dilma tried to intervene on the race for the presidency of the House, as she tried to avoid the election of Eduardo Cunha (PMDB-RJ), one of the cunningest politicians in Brazil, a man she despises. She failed badly, Cunha was elected with ease and Dilma lost even more support in Congress.

Finally, the Petrobras scandal turns worse for the government each passing day. Right after the election, a large number of businessmen were arrested, all of them suspected of paying hefty bribes for politicians in exchange of highly profitable contracts with Petrobras. While some denied any wrongdoing and said they had nothing to tell the feds, some went rogue and started telling all they knew about the corruption scandal to the feds. This led to even more new info, deepening the investigations further. As things got bleaker, the government finally decided to sack Petrobras' president, Maria Graça Foster. The problem is, they chose a man with previous ethics concerns to replace her, scaring even more investors away from Petrobras. Remember, Petrobras last produced a valid balance sheet on the 2nd quarter of 2014.

As February came by, things started to get even worse for Dilma. First, Eduardo Cunha was sworn in as the President of the House, promising to act with independence from the Executive. From them on, things soured quickly. Dilma has angered the entire PMDB, that refuses to negotiate with the leading political negotiators of the federal government (including Dilma's Chief of Staff, Aluizio Mercadante). Things got nuclear when the Attorney General announced the name of the first politicians that will be investigated for involvement with the Petrobras scandal. The list contains the name of many PMDB barons, such as Eduardo Cunha and the President of the Senate, Renan Calheiros (PMDB-AL). Cunha and Calheiros claimed their names were on the list because the federal government asked the Attorney General to do so. As a reaction, they rallied the PMDB to make things even worse for Dilma in Congress.

Finally, the PT itself has been taking increasingly large hits. Renato Duque, a former director of Petrobras and a man known to be very close to José Dirceu was arrested late last year accused of involvement on the scandal. He was released just a few days later, but last Monday he was arrested again, as the Prosecution proved he was still laundering huge sums of money in Monaco. The latest findings show Duque was the man responsible for asking hefty bribes for the PT, bribes that were collected by a now infamous name, João Vaccari Neto, the treasurer of the PT. PT members are in panic that Duque may be desperate in prison, and that for this reason he may decide to tell what he knows to the feds. There's also increasing evidence that José Dirceu got millions from the corruption scheme, and that Dilma's 2010 presidential campaign was largely funded by bribes and laundered money. Finally, large PT names such as Senator Gleisi Hoffman (PT-PR), Senator Lindbergh Farias (PT-RJ) and Senator Humberto Costa (PT-PE) emerged on the AG's list of investigated politicians.

Notice the amount of times I said things "got worse" for Dilma. It just goes to tell you how bad things got for her. It's not surprising that the latest ratings of her government are on pair with the ones registered by Collor when impeachment proceedings against him started back in September 1992. The national rating is of 62% bad/awful ratings, and even on the Northeast, where Dilma had a landslide win back in October, over 50% of the voters now say her government is bad/awful.

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Thus, with a economy expect to shrink nearly 1% this year (and I'm being optimistic), inflation getting closer to double digits, a melting currency, many broken promises and a gigantic corruption scandal that's getting closer and closer to the presidency, its no surprise that many want to boot Dilma out of overnment. That's why over 2 million people took the streets of hundreds of cities last Sunday, as you may have seen on TV or somewhere on internet. Those were the largest demonstrations in Brazil's recorded history, even larger than the redemocratization demonstrations back in the 80's.

Now, can Dilma be impeached? That's something I'll discuss tomorrow.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on March 22, 2015, 03:55:15 PM
Great post! Also the latest Datafolha approval poll for Dilma (http://www.economist.com/news/americas/21646865-it-would-be-difficult-feat-some-are-trying-impeaching-dilma-rousseff) produced the following result:

13% approve
62% disapprove

The Economist notes that Collor hit a peak 68% disapproval in 1992.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on March 22, 2015, 04:04:25 PM
And here we go! (from non wacko-leftist sources)

Brazil can’t afford to ignore protesters when they’re calling for the military (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/17/brazil-protesters-military)

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Hundreds of thousands of Brazilians took to the streets this weekend, calling for the impeachment of recently re-elected President Dilma Rousseff.

The nationwide protests were peaceful, but for observers with knowledge of Brazil's political past, there was a sinister element to them that cannot be ignored.

In sign after sign, middle-class protesters called for the military to wrest control of the country from Rousseff's Brazilian Workers' Party (PT).

Marlon Aymes, a protester seen holding a sign that read "Army, Navy and Air Force. Please save us once again of [sic] communism," told The Guardian:

"They [The PT] are in power for 16 years. That is like a dictatorship ... In 1964 the military of Brazil took a stand against a president who was close to the Kremlin. Today, the PT is in a group that wants a Bolivarian socialist model across Latin America. Common people are protesting and calling for impeachment, but congress is too corrupt to approve that so we need military intervention."

It isn't difficult to see why Brazilians are calling foul, but to call for military rule, however, is a chilling reminder of what has often been a ready alternative in Latin America. Brazil was controlled by a violent military junta from 1964 to 1985. It was that junta that tortured the sitting president when she was a young activist. Calling for the return of military control is a clear signal that some in Brazilian society feel the democratic process has failed.

Interesting... they are still there.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: politicus on March 22, 2015, 04:08:49 PM
How is the political breakdown in the officer corps? And would ordinary soldiers obey if ordered to participate in a coup?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on March 22, 2015, 04:24:39 PM
I don't know. Let's get the Folha's perspective (http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/internacional/en/brazil/2015/03/1600662-anti-government-groups-hope-to-draw-100000-to-the-streets-on-march-15.shtml):

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They have no fear of being accused of inciting a coup. Either they will promote the largest protest against the administration of President Dilma Rousseff since her re-election in November, or they will be responsible for the failure of a movement which aims to shake up Brazilian politics.

On March 15, marches are scheduled in more than 200 Brazilian cities. They are likely to draw young liberals, entrepreneurs who preach radical reduction of the state, and even those who advocate a military coup.

Groups that defend a military coup have participated in protests against Rousseff. In Rio, for example, the group Legalistas has held gatherings. "The way things are, I don't see any other solution", says air force reserve sergeant Tôni Oliveira, 58.

The comparison with the groups which advocate the return of the military regime irritates Come to the Streets and the MBL. They criticize the media, which they accuse of tarring them with the same brush.

No group would estimate turnout for the protests. Internally, the number being considered is 100,000.

Where does the money come from for all of this? Each group has its own methods. The MBL accepts donations and receives a few cents from YouTube each time its videos are viewed. Come to the Streets relies on contributions from its members.

Marcelo Reis, from the group Revoltados, has found another way to raise money. Owner of the most popular website amongst the organizers of the protest, he is selling a "protest kit", including a T-shirt, cap and pro-impeachment stickers.

Revoltados has advocated a military coup, but Reis says that today no senior members of the group believe that this is the solution. "We want democratic rules. Impeachment is in the constitution", he says.

The problem is the difficulty of getting something specific to impeach Dilma, getting a supermajority to  vote for impeachment, and you'd still have Temer as the next in line, and since he's in the PMBD it's nigh impossible for him to be impeached, and without him leaving the picture you are not going to be able to have snap elections- and all by the end of next year. If not, the Congress would elect one of their own to the presidency (which would include Aecio, but this Congress is hardly likely to do that).

Unlike Dilma, Collor had a limited political base in the Congress, being an outsider, so there wasn't any large constituency that stood to lose much by impeaching him. Getting rid of Dilma will likely be much harder. Which is why I suspect people are espousing these kind of ideas- "get the military to cut through the political mess (which is the cause of all this, anyway!), sack the Presidency and the Congress, and hold snap elections," in a few months... or so, following their "roadmap" (a word that should always raise alarm bells) for National Salvation and Order or whatever they'll call it. Maybe they'll even have a catchy song like in Thailand.

This is hardly likely- but I think that the probability of it happening is inversely related to the probability that Dilma could successfully impeached.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on March 22, 2015, 04:28:46 PM
Everything is becoming more and more clear for 2018:


Fernando Collor/Paulo Maluf (Party of Sexgods): 96%
Aecio Neves/Random loser (PSDB): 2%
Aecio Neves' Clone/Randon loser (PMDB): 1%
Random loser/Random loser (PT): 1%


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on March 23, 2015, 08:24:15 AM
For Dilma to be impeached, 2 things would be necessary:

1 - The legal aspect: the House cannot open impeachment proceedings against Dilma unless there's evidence that she committed an impeachable offence as the President of Brazil. Some conservative legal experts argue that failing to recognize the corruption in Petrobras is an impeachable offence, but that's not an opinion of consensus. If it's proven that Dilma knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it, though, that would be a crystal-clear impeachable offence.

2 - The political aspect: everyone is very cautious about an impeachment. The PSDB doesn't want to impeach Dilma and then be impeached in 2020, for example. They want to make sure the impeachment will only happen when there's solid evidence to do so and when Dilma's political support has truly collapsed. The PMDB (specially Eduardo Cunha) now rules the country, so they'll only impeach Dilma if/when she becomes disposable. Other situation parties will also try to suck as much as they can from the government before considering an impeachment. So far the only parties already pulling for the impeachment are 2 smaller opposition parties, DEM and SDD. Of course, this could suddenly change on April 12th, when the next anti-Dilma demonstrations will happen. If they're bigger than the ones from March 15th, then there's a strong chance the PMDB will pull the plug on this government and make Michel Temer the next president of Brazil.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on March 23, 2015, 05:15:36 PM
And here we go! (from non wacko-leftist sources)

Brazil can’t afford to ignore protesters when they’re calling for the military (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/17/brazil-protesters-military)

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Hundreds of thousands of Brazilians took to the streets this weekend, calling for the impeachment of recently re-elected President Dilma Rousseff.

The nationwide protests were peaceful, but for observers with knowledge of Brazil's political past, there was a sinister element to them that cannot be ignored.

In sign after sign, middle-class protesters called for the military to wrest control of the country from Rousseff's Brazilian Workers' Party (PT).

Marlon Aymes, a protester seen holding a sign that read "Army, Navy and Air Force. Please save us once again of [sic] communism," told The Guardian:

"They [The PT] are in power for 16 years. That is like a dictatorship ... In 1964 the military of Brazil took a stand against a president who was close to the Kremlin. Today, the PT is in a group that wants a Bolivarian socialist model across Latin America. Common people are protesting and calling for impeachment, but congress is too corrupt to approve that so we need military intervention."

It isn't difficult to see why Brazilians are calling foul, but to call for military rule, however, is a chilling reminder of what has often been a ready alternative in Latin America. Brazil was controlled by a violent military junta from 1964 to 1985. It was that junta that tortured the sitting president when she was a young activist. Calling for the return of military control is a clear signal that some in Brazilian society feel the democratic process has failed.

Interesting... they are still there.

Everyone calling for a repeat of the 1964 is automatically a vile piece of s**t.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on March 23, 2015, 08:27:14 PM
According to CNT/MDA, 60% of the voters want Dilma's impeachment.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on March 23, 2015, 08:54:28 PM
According to CNT/MDA, 60% of the voters want Dilma's impeachment.

The same poll put her approval rating at 19% and losing to Neves 55.7% vs 16.7% if there is a re-vote of the October 2014 election.  I am wondering if Dilma is now thinking she is better off losing that election back in October 2014.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on March 23, 2015, 09:00:56 PM
Dilma probably has no further electoral ambitions, so it's all about her legacy now.

Lula, meanwhile, wants to kill Dilma. Not only Dilma's political ineptitude hurt Lula's chances for 2018, but it's widely believed that something involving Lula directly will come to surface soon.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Beet on March 23, 2015, 09:01:37 PM
Wow, what a disaster. Even more so if there is a military coup in Latin America's largest economy...


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on March 25, 2015, 11:19:38 PM
48% of Brazilians support a coup if "corruption is bad"

http://news.vanderbilt.edu/2015/03/nearly-half-of-brazilians-support-coup-if-corruption-is-high-lapop/


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on March 26, 2015, 10:38:38 AM
The Latin American right continues its utter disdain for democracy.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: politicus on March 26, 2015, 10:50:30 AM
The Latin American right continues its utter disdain for democracy.

Not a right wing thing:

"Interestingly, acceptance of military intervention does not only come from those who disapprove of the current government. Among those who perceive that Brazil's president is doing a “very good” or “good” job, 45.6 percent believe a coup is justified if corruption is high. That rises to 46.4 percent among those who evaluate the president's performance as “neither good nor bad” and tops out at 52.8 percent for those who give Rousseff a job approval rating of “bad” or “very bad.”"


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on March 26, 2015, 10:55:36 AM
Odd.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: seb_pard on March 26, 2015, 11:03:47 AM
The Latin American right continues its utter disdain for democracy.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on March 26, 2015, 05:16:55 PM
This has nothing to do with the right. In fact, the most beloved figure by Brazil's left, Getulio Vargas, was a dictator.

It's just that, sadly, democracy was never a priority in South America. When you talk to older/poorer people in places like Brazil, Chile, Argentina etc., they'll tell you they liked the "good old days" because those dictators "got things done".


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Lumine on March 26, 2015, 07:51:29 PM
Sure, blame the evil Latin American right, because the Latin American left is obviously a permanent bastion of democracy, honesty and freedom.

When it comes to Latin America and authoritarism, it has very little to do with left or right wing.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: seb_pard on March 26, 2015, 08:22:21 PM
Sure, blame the evil Latin American right, because the Latin American left is obviously a permanent bastion of democracy, honesty and freedom.

When it comes to Latin America and authoritarism, it has very little to do with left or right wing.
I don't agree with you, I believe that in Chile there's a clear difference between the left and the right in terms of authoritarianism and human rights.

Are you chilean? :D


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Lumine on March 26, 2015, 09:24:44 PM
Sure, blame the evil Latin American right, because the Latin American left is obviously a permanent bastion of democracy, honesty and freedom.

When it comes to Latin America and authoritarianism, it has very little to do with left or right wing.
I don't agree with you, I believe that in Chile there's a clear difference between the left and the right in terms of authoritarianism and human rights.

Are you chilean? :D

Indeed, it's fascinating to find a fellow countrymen here, xD

Speaking in the broad sense of Latin America the main argument seems to be that because the left formed the opposition to most of the military dictatorships of the 60's, 70's and 80's they seem to be the side of democracy and human rights, a flawed view when you consider situations like the one Paleobrazilian pointed out. And furthermore, all you need is to point out to authoritarianism in Venezuela and Cuba, the recent scandals in Brazil, Argentina and Chile to name a few and remember other people like Vargas, Ibañez, Velasco Alvarado or some of the more infamous revolutionary movements to realize that the Latin American left of the 20th and 21st Century is far from the hero to the evil right.

Regarding Chile, I do concede to you that the aftermath of Pinochet's government did result in a right that was clearly more authoritarian that a good part of the left, which was evident during the 1990's. But twenty five years have passed since democracy returned to Chile, and leaving aside UDI and some of its more extreme elements most of the right has clearly embraced democracy, at least when it comes to RN, Amplitud and Evopoli. Furthermore, it's hard to take most of the left fully seriously when it comes to their human rights talking points when you don't see them too concerned about Venezuela or Cuba in the past. In a way it reminds me of when Honecker was embraced by many when he came here in 1993, because it showcases that double standard.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 15, 2015, 11:52:26 AM
The treasurer of the PT, mr. João Vaccari Neto, was arrested today. Another big blow for the government, and even bigger hits are expected for the next few days.

Meanwhile, the PSDB has asked a former Minister of Justice, Miguel Reale Junior, for a legal opinion about the viability of impeachment proceedings against Dilma.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 15, 2015, 07:33:25 PM
According to the federal Court of Audit, Dilma's government has breached Brazil's balanced budget law, an impeachable offence. I expect the PSDB to file impeachment proceedings against Dilma soon.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 16, 2015, 09:37:51 AM
Well that's... interesting.

So is this:
http://www.ibtimes.com/brazil-military-coup-protesters-demand-intervention-against-dilma-rousseff-amid-1881925


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 16, 2015, 04:38:08 PM
The coolest explanation of Brazilian politics you'll ever see:

http://aheadmkt.com/guerratronos/?locale=en


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 22, 2015, 06:49:34 PM
Petrobras has finally produced its 2014 budget. It lost over 50 billion reais (about 17 billion dollars) due to corruption and impairment.

And this is still a conservative estimation, as there's a lot on the corruption scandal to be uncovered. Plus, Petrobras' debt was probably underestimated as in the third trimester of 2014 the dollar was trading at around 2,60 BRL. It's now at 3,00.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on June 20, 2015, 06:30:06 PM
It's been 2 months for now, so I guess we deserve an update on what's been going on in Brazil.

For Dilma, it seems as if she's living a slow motion, never ending train wreck. She has faced all sorts of trouble trying to pass austerity measures. She has succeeded with some of them, but some of them are still stuck in Congress. Not only she faced stiff opposition from the opposition parties, she had trouble dealing with a coalition that's getting more unstable each passing day, and had even more trouble trying to sell austerity to her own party. Among voters, there's a widespread belief that the government spent too much and that now the population (specially the poorest) will be punished for it - and this feeling is absolutely correct.

Meanwhile, the Petrobras scandal grows bigger by the day. Yesterday the feds arrested Marcelo Odebrecht, one of the most powerful businessmen from Brazil, the CEO of Brazil's construction giant Odebrecht. Mr. Odebrecht is a personal friend of Lula who has taken Lula for tours around the World promoting Odebrecht's services. Lula strongly fears he'll be the next one to be arrested, as many believe Mr. Odebrecht is unafraid to tell the feds everything he knows. Lula has also privately berated Dilma for not doing enough to protect his image and his electability.

To make things worse for Dilma, it's now widely believed the government faked a budget surplus during Dilma's first term. The issue is now being discussed by Brazil's Court of Audit and Dilma has 30 days to defend herself against the suspicious of wrongdoing. If the Court of Audit rules that Dilma incurred in a violation of Brazil's fiscal responsibility law, her 2014 budget will probably be rejected, giving the opposition a big opening to try to impeach her.

According to today's Datafolha, Dilma's approval ratings are at 10%, while 65% of the voters now disapprove her. Those were Collor's ratings before he was impeached.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on June 20, 2015, 07:50:28 PM
My understanding is that the situation of Petrobras while not great, is a bit better than a few months ago looking at the CDS rates for Petrobras.  It seems that Petrobras will survive on the long run as a viable corporation despite all these scandals. 

The economic situation for Brazil in 2015 is pretty bad, but we all knew that months ago.  The bad news for Dilma is that 2016 is projected to bring a very weak recovery with still elevated inflation.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on June 21, 2015, 08:50:11 AM
Datafolha has conducted a presidential poll that shows Aecio up 10 against Lula. Aecio should pray for an impeachment.

The numbers for Alckmin also look good for someone who's been away from the national radar for the last 9 years. He'd be a strong candidate for 2018 with all the money and TV time he'd have.

As for Lula, I think this is his worst showing in a poll since the 90's. How the mighty have fallen...

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Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on June 21, 2015, 08:22:15 PM
No surprise that Dilma's approval rate is very low. It is the economy, stupid. The Petrobras scandal has some influence, but not so much. Lula's approval rate never fell bellow 25% in 2005.
No surprise that Lula has low share of voters who still want to vote for him. He created Dilma and everybody knows.

But Aécio Neves is not doing well. Unlike other losing presidential candidates, who become termless politicians, Aécio is still a senator, since he was elected in 2010. So, he didn't leave the media. His speeches in the senate are commented in the mass media. Every post on his page in Facebook becomes news in the G1, the most important news web site.

Considering blank, nulified votes and abstentions, Aécio Neves had 24.4% of the vote in the first round in 2014 and 35.7% in the second round. This poll shows he has 35%. Not much more than the people who already voted for him last year.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on June 26, 2015, 06:24:22 PM
According to leaked info Dilma's 2014 campaign got 7,5 million reais of laundered money. If this is indeed true, her days as President and Temer's as Vice President are quite possibly over, with political turmoil coming next.

The same fears are now scaring Fernando Pimentel (PT), who was elected as Governor of Minas Gerais last year. In his case, there's already a formal investigation involving him, with tons of evidence that he used dirty money to be elected Governor last year. I don't think he'll survive for long. His fall would also knock down one of the few alternatives the PT have in case Lula goes down before 2018.

Oh, and yesterday the government lost yet another important vote in the Chamber.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on June 26, 2015, 06:46:38 PM
Has the Army made any noises recently? Is Temer going down too? If so then there's no need for anything exciting.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on June 26, 2015, 06:56:09 PM
Has the Army made any noises recently? Is Temer going down too? If so then there's no need for anything exciting.

The military won't do anything whatsoever. We're not in the 60's anymore.

If the Supreme Electoral Tribunal rules that Dilma's campaign was funded with illegal money, her election  (and Temer's election by default) would be declared illegal and a new President and a new Vice President would have to be elected. If this happens before December 31st 2016 a new general election would be called to elect a stopgap President who'd serve until 2018. If this happens after December 31st 2016 the Congress would elect the stopgap President.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on July 01, 2015, 09:10:59 AM
Dilma's ratings have oficially hit the single digits. According to IBOPE, her approval has reached 9%. Yes, nine percent.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on July 03, 2015, 08:23:19 PM
Solid evidence that Dilma's campaign was financed with illegal money has leaked. There's a strong chance the electoral justice will declare her candidacy null, immediately removing her (and Michel Temer) from office and triggering a new election. And even if this doesn't happen, with more and more people telling all they know to the feds, she may well be impeached by the Congress. In fact, many on the PMDB now want to pull the plug on the government ASAP.

Her prospects of lasting until 2018 as the President of Brazil are looking rather gloomy. Some are already wondering whether she would be succeeded by Michel Temer (the impeachment scenario) or by Eduardo Cunha + new election (the electoral justice scenario). Temer threatened to abandon his function of political articulation with Congress, showing Dilma he's unafraid of going rogue. Cunha, meanwhile, has put the Chamber of Deputies on its knees, and if he feels Dilma is truly vulnerable to impeachment proceedings, I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to put an impeachment request for voting - and with his tight lock to the Chamber, there's a strong chance this motion would pass, sending the matter to the Senate. In fact, Cunha is clearly trying to build his presidential credentials with a stark social conservative, populist agenda, so if Dilma and Temer are removed from office, he'd not only be the automatic replacement for 90 days, he'd also be a very strong name for the stopgap election.

Then again, it's widely believed that Cunha will also be dragged into the corruption quagmire.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: 🦀🎂🦀🎂 on July 03, 2015, 08:59:51 PM
Wow. This has really been a remarkably quick fall from grace for Dilma.

Will Silva come back in a new election scenario? Would Lula attempt to grab the PT label, or would it just be too risky?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on July 03, 2015, 09:45:47 PM
Wow. This has really been a remarkably quick fall from grace for Dilma.

Will Silva come back in a new election scenario? Would Lula attempt to grab the PT label, or would it just be too risky?

He definitely wants to run for President again, but his ratings have dropped sharply over the last few months. Does he want to risk his legacy and his electoral history?

Plus, he could well be in jail by the time the next election happen. That's his biggest fear right now. There's mounting evidence against him. He could well end up as the Brazilian version of José Sócrates.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on July 04, 2015, 08:35:15 AM
According to numerous sources, the PMDB and the PSDB have already started talks on how they'll remove Dilma. This would be pretty much the second coming of 1992.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Lumine on July 04, 2015, 12:29:59 PM
And I complain the current situation in Chile is a bad one... I'm actually shocked to see Dilma's goverment fell apart and reached this kind of situation so quickly.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on July 05, 2015, 01:24:31 PM
PSDB held their 12th national convention today. Many tough speeches against the government, including one from Geraldo Alckmin, who had opted to take a more neutral stance until today. He's clearly starting to take an opposition stance as he tries to state his case for 2018.

Meanwhile, most of the speeches also showed the party is confident that Dilma and Temer will be taken down by the electoral courts and that a stopgap election will happen pretty soon. We'll see.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on August 20, 2015, 08:11:15 PM
On August 16th, there were demonstrations in many Brazilian cities for the impeachment of president Dilma Rousseff. According to estimation made by the police, there were 150k demonstrators in São Paulo and 10k demonstrators in Rio de Janeiro. These were the big demonstrations. They were organized by right-wing groups. Some far-right demonstrations showed support for a military coup d'stat. Aécio Neves went to the demonstration in Belo Horizonte and José Serra went to the demonstration in São Paulo.
Today, there were demonstrations in many Brazilian cities against the impeachment. These demonstration were organized by left-wing parties, CUT (the biggest association of labor unions), UNE (national union of students, led by the Communist Party) and organizations for homeless and landless people. These demonstrations were against not only the right-wing opposition who wants the impeachment, but they were also against the conservative president of the House of Representatives Eduardo Cunha and the conservative ministers of Dilma administration, including the Minister of Finance Joaquim Levy. These demonstrations were not pro-government. They were against impeachment and against the right-wing opposition. Even members of the PSOL, the left-wing opposition party, participated.

It is very easy to see the difference of the demonstrations. Most of the right-wing protesters wear yellow T-shirts. Almost all of them are white and belong to the middle/upper class. Even in Salvador, city where >70% of the population is black, almost all of the pro-impeachment protesters were white.
Most of the left-wing protesters wear red T-shirts. There are many black and white, poor and middle class people among them.

Today, the Public Prosecutor accused Eduardo Cunha of participating in the Petrobras corruption scandal too. He was an ally of the Workers Party until 2010. This is not good news for the right-wing opposition, who needs him as an ally to vote for the impeachment in the House.

There is no evidence that Dilma Rousseff participated in the scandal. The most important leaders of her party participated. But according to the Constitution, only when the president commits a crime during her term, the impeachment is applicable. So, if it is based on the Petrobras scandal, the impeachment of Dilma Rousseff would violate the Constitution.

Angela Merkel visited Brazil today. I don't think that the German Chancellor believes that the impeachment of the Brazilian president will take place. If she believes so, she would have not visited Brazil.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on August 20, 2015, 08:20:22 PM
There were probably 40k demonstrators against the impeachment in São Paulo and 10k in Rio de Janeiro.

99% of the Brazilian population did not participate in neither pro nor anti impeachment demonstrations.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on August 20, 2015, 08:31:39 PM
Middle class elite yellowshirts and populist redshirts? Talk about deja vu...

I hear Collor is also being investigated.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on August 20, 2015, 10:17:59 PM
Middle class elite yellow shirts
http://g1.globo.com/rio-de-janeiro/noticia/2015/08/manifestantes-protestam-contra-o-governo-em-copacabana-no-rio.html

Populist red shirts
http://g1.globo.com/rio-de-janeiro/noticia/2015/08/manifestantes-protestam-em-defesa-da-presidente-dilma-no-centro-do-rio.html


Yes, Collor is also under investigation. I feel like I am living in the 1990s again.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on October 25, 2015, 03:09:47 PM
In this weekend, 7 million students answered the ENEM, which is the admission test for the public universities (the Brazilian SAT)
There was a reading question which used a Simone de Beauvoir text. Because of this question, far right politicians accused the government of using this exam for "marxist indoctrination".
The far right is suffering mental disorder.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on October 26, 2015, 06:59:07 AM
Meanwhile, Lula's son office is being searched by the Federal Police right now. According to rumors, large companies paid over 1 million dollars on bribes to Lula's family so that he'd issue an executive order favorable to their business. That's just how corrupt this man was/is.

Left wingers may try to spin things as hard as they want to, but the ugly truth for them is that the huge castle of cards built by Lula is about to go down.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on November 25, 2015, 07:00:43 AM
Senator Delcidio Amaral (PT-MS) has been arrested in connection with the Petrobras scandal! He was the leader of the Government in the Senate, so this is REALLY serious.

Now the Senate will decide if whether to uphold his prison or to release him. This was the 1st time in Brazil that a Senator is arrested.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on December 02, 2015, 04:47:10 PM
Eduardo Cunha has opened impeachment proceedings against Dilma! Now the House will oficially take on the matter. A special commission will be formed and after that the whole House will decide. If a 2/3 supermajority approves it, Dilma will be provisionally removed from the presidency and the matter will be sent to the Senate for a final decision.

Dilma's goose is cooked.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on December 02, 2015, 05:35:44 PM
Eduardo Cunha has opened impeachment proceedings against Dilma! Now the House will oficially take on the matter. A special commission will be formed and after that the whole House will decide. If a 2/3 supermajority approves it, Dilma will be provisionally removed from the presidency and the matter will be sent to the Senate for a final decision.

Dilma's goose is cooked.
Cunha is going to be removed from office. And PT is against him. Dilma is very likely to survive. Opposition won't have strength to get 2/3 of votes and Dilma got a massive victory in Congress today.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on December 02, 2015, 06:17:25 PM
Eduardo Cunha has opened impeachment proceedings against Dilma! Now the House will oficially take on the matter. A special commission will be formed and after that the whole House will decide. If a 2/3 supermajority approves it, Dilma will be provisionally removed from the presidency and the matter will be sent to the Senate for a final decision.

Dilma's goose is cooked.
Cunha is going to be removed from office. And PT is against him. Dilma is very likely to survive. Opposition won't have strength to get 2/3 of votes and Dilma got a massive victory in Congress today.

Dilma only had this "massive victory" because Brazil would have ran into a government shutdown if she didn't - something not even the opposition wanted.

It'll be 1992 all over again. Dilma's abysmal ratings and public pressure will guide the unideological center towards the impeachment. The PMDB is already in favor. Temer is salivating right now. Plus, impeaching Dilma will be a perfect smokescreen for those in fear of the Petrobras scandal. The PT only abandoned Cunha because they'd rather throw Dilma under the bus than hurting the party brand more. The economy will shrink further due to this whole mess and the business sector will fully support the impeachment because Temer should have little trouble guiding some sort of a national unity government until 2018.

There are rumors that the PMDB and the PSDB already sealed an agreement about the after-Dilma. Temer would have full PSDB support and would probably place many high profile Toucans in his cabinet. Then in 2018 Temer would run for Governor of São Paulo, with support from the PSDB. Meanwhile, with the economy recovering and many PT leaders in jail, someone like Aecio Neves or Jose Serra would be in prime position to run for the presidency.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on December 03, 2015, 06:46:15 AM
Ibovespa's pre-market is up 3%. The US$ price is falling. The financial market wants Dilma out ASAP.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on December 06, 2015, 11:02:53 PM
The PSDB has held SP since Covas. Would they be willing to give it up? Would the Presidency even be a done deal?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on December 07, 2015, 07:37:06 AM
The PSDB has held SP since Covas. Would they be willing to give it up?

While they have held SP since 1994, they have no obvious candidate for 2018, as Alckmin is term limited and there's no presumptive nominee. Plus, Alckmin's ratings have dropped sharply over the year. I think they'd be willing to give up SP if they can get something bigger in exchange.

Would the Presidency even be a done deal?

I don't think it would be a done deal, but only Marina Silva seems to be a realistic threat right now. Specially if Lula is in jail or too tarnished to be a serious candidate by 2018.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Ex-Assemblyman Steelers on December 07, 2015, 08:22:16 AM
The financial market wants Dilma out ASAP.

Screw financial markets.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on December 07, 2015, 05:56:34 PM
Eduardo Cunha has opened impeachment proceedings against Dilma! Now the House will oficially take on the matter. A special commission will be formed and after that the whole House will decide. If a 2/3 supermajority approves it, Dilma will be provisionally removed from the presidency and the matter will be sent to the Senate for a final decision.

Dilma's goose is cooked.
Cunha is going to be removed from office. And PT is against him. Dilma is very likely to survive. Opposition won't have strength to get 2/3 of votes and Dilma got a massive victory in Congress today.

Dilma only had this "massive victory" because Brazil would have ran into a government shutdown if she didn't - something not even the opposition wanted.

It'll be 1992 all over again. Dilma's abysmal ratings and public pressure will guide the unideological center towards the impeachment. The PMDB is already in favor. Temer is salivating right now. Plus, impeaching Dilma will be a perfect smokescreen for those in fear of the Petrobras scandal. The PT only abandoned Cunha because they'd rather throw Dilma under the bus than hurting the party brand more. The economy will shrink further due to this whole mess and the business sector will fully support the impeachment because Temer should have little trouble guiding some sort of a national unity government until 2018.

There are rumors that the PMDB and the PSDB already sealed an agreement about the after-Dilma. Temer would have full PSDB support and would probably place many high profile Toucans in his cabinet. Then in 2018 Temer would run for Governor of São Paulo, with support from the PSDB. Meanwhile, with the economy recovering and many PT leaders in jail, someone like Aecio Neves or Jose Serra would be in prime position to run for the presidency.
This is incorrect. If Temer runs for São Paulo Governorship in 2008, if Dilma gets impeached, he would have to resign Presidency to run. And PSDB wouldn't surrender their fortress for any other.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on December 07, 2015, 08:48:27 PM
Michel Temer just sent a Frank Underwood-like letter to Dilma Rousseff. The letter leaked to the press. Ouch.

Temer won't admit it, but he's obviously on the the impeachment train now. He went on a São Paulo tour over the last few days that included meetings with political, industrial and financial leaders. He said many times over the last few months that Brazil needed a reunification and that someone had to lead this process. He now wants to lead this process. As the President of Brazil.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on December 17, 2015, 07:15:52 PM
Good news to Brazilian Democracy:
-Supreme Court said that procedures made by Speaker Eduardo Cunha (PMDB-RJ) are illegal and ordered to make a re-vote of Impeachment Commitee, with open vote and a list made by parliamentary leaders.
-Pro-Dilma Leonardo Picciani (PMDB-RJ) got back PMDB Caucus Leadership from pro-Cunha Leonardo Quintão (PMDB-MG).
-Attorney General Rodrigo Janot asked to remove Speaker Eduardo Cunha (PMDB-RJ) from office. After a raid on his home, they found papers to blackmail other congressmen.
-Budget was voted today. Then, Congress will go to recess until February. Minister of Finances Joaquim Levy (non partisan) will resign after a replacement is announced.
-President of the Senate Renan Calheiros (PMDB-AL) is in open war against Vice President Michel Temer (PMDB-SP).
-Yesterday, in all of Brazilian capitals, anti-impeachment protesters (include me) went to street against impeachment, corruption, but against government cuts too.
But, a sad note:
-Judiciary will go to recess. Then Brazil will have more one month of Eduardo Cunha as Speaker.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: seb_pard on December 17, 2015, 07:26:45 PM
So good to see Cunha fall


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on December 20, 2015, 09:40:01 AM
In this week, for the first time, the red shirts demonstrations (anti-impeachment) outnumbered the yellow shirts demonstrations (pro-impeachment). The red demonstration had 55,000 people in São Paulo. The yellow demonstration had 40,000 people.
According to Datafolha poll, 65% of the Brazilians endorse the impeachment. However, the opinion of the people who don't endorse is stronger. In 1992, 75% of the Brazilians endorsed the impeachment of Fernando Collor. However, in 1992, the former Collor supporters of 1989 (business, mass media) endorsed the impeachment. In 2015, the former Dilma supporters of 2014 (labor unions) disapprove Dilma's administration, but do not endorse the impeachment. The whole organized civil society in Brazil endorsed Collor's impeachment in 1992. In 2015, only half the organized civil society is endorsing Dilma's impeachment. Fiesp (the most important business organization from São Paulo) is endorsing the impeachment. OAB (the Brazilian lawyers association endorsed the impeachment in 1992, but not in 2015).
Although Dilma's approval rate is very low, this is not a justification for the impeachment, since Brazil has a presidential, and not a parliamentary system.
On Friday, the Minister of Finance Joaquim Levy, the "Chicago Boy", was fired. The new Minister Nelson Barbosa is more endorsed by the left. Although he is a leftist, Barbosa is a serious keynesian, and not a stupid keynesian, like some Brazilian left-wing economists.

Other news in this week: former president of PSDB Eduardo Azeredo was sentenced to 20 years in prison, because of a scandal that happened in 1998 (use of money from public companies in election campaign) which was very similar with the scandal of the PT in 2005 (although the PT's scandal was bigger because there was vote buying in the Congress, not only money in election campaign). Marcos Valério was the guy who was the bridge for the money between the public companies and the election campaigns in both scandals: the PSDB' scandal of 1998 and the PT' scandal of 2005. He was already sentenced because of the scandal of 2005.



Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on December 20, 2015, 09:42:10 AM
Datafolha poll for 2018 (very early)

Aécio Neves 26%
Lula da Silva 20%
Marina Silva 19%
Ciro Gomes 6%
Jair Bolsonaro 4%
Luciana Genro 2%
Eduardo Paes 1%
Eduardo Jorge 1%


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on January 01, 2016, 08:47:02 AM
Today, Dilma Rousseff completed one year of the second term. So, she completed five years in the office. She overtook Eurico Gaspar Dutra, Juscelino Kubitschek, Ernesto Geisel and José Sarney, who had single five year term. Now, she is the fifth longest ruling president, behind Getúlio Vargas (who rules 15 years as a dictator and 3,5 as a democratic president), Fernando Henrique Cardoso, Lula (who completed two four year term) and Figueiredo (who had a six year single term).


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on March 04, 2016, 04:08:35 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/04/americas/former-brazil-president-lula-question/index.html


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on March 04, 2016, 04:42:12 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/04/americas/former-brazil-president-lula-question/index.html

This thing was very unnecessary. If they wanted Lula to give explanations, they'd ask.
Looks a repeat of 1954, when they forced Getulio Vargas to suicide.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on March 11, 2016, 10:12:23 PM
"Marx and Hegel"
The hottest topic today


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on March 14, 2016, 07:02:02 AM
After Sen. Delcidio do Amaral signing a whistleblower agreement, Lula being criminally investigated and charged, the PMDB deciding to leave the government in a few days and 4 million people on the streets yesterday demanding Dilma's exit, it's clear that this government is over.

Goodbye, Dilma.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on March 15, 2016, 10:02:32 AM
Everything is very crazy these days


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on March 15, 2016, 05:20:03 PM
Delcidio plea bargain was very cheap for him. Only a fine of R$ 1,500,000.00 (U$ 400,000.00). And he threw sh**ts at every side. Aécio Neves, Mayor Eduardo Paes and even deceased Bahia oligarch Antonio Carlos Magalhaes. And it's shameful that Zavascki didn't ask for Delcidio's Senate resignation.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on March 16, 2016, 04:59:29 PM
DILMA WAS WIRETAPPED BY THE FEDS ON A CONVERSATION THAT SHOWS SHE WAS TRYING TO INTERVENE ON THE INVESTIGATIONS RELATED TO LULA.

It's over for her. Truly over.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on March 16, 2016, 05:07:02 PM
Lula takes Cabinet Post as CO'S for Dilma.  This seems to prevent him from being charged with curruption. I think Dilma was Lula COS years ago.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on March 16, 2016, 05:09:07 PM
March 16 (AFP) -- Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff named her predecessor Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva her chief of staff Wednesday, sparing him possible arrest for corruption as she seeks to fend off the crisis rocking Latin America's biggest country.
The two leftists who have led Brazil for the past 13 years are both fighting for their political lives, and news they were teaming up again in the government deeply divided Brazil.
Allies call Lula the only man capable of saving Rousseff's embattled administration, but opponents condemn the fact that ministerial immunity will now protect him from prosecution in ordinary court.
Cabinet ministers can only be tried before the Supreme Court in Brazil.
The appointment is a risky bet for Rousseff, who is battling crises on multiple fronts: an impeachment attempt, a deep recession, mass protests and the fallout of an explosive corruption scandal at state oil giant Petrobras.
Lula was hugely popular when he stepped down five years ago at the height of an economic boom. But he returns to Brasilia with heavy baggage: he has himself been charged with money laundering in a case linked to the Petrobras scandal.
The opposition was quick to slam the appointment.
"Instead of explaining himself and assuming his responsibilities, former president Lula preferred to flee out the back door," said lawmaker Antonio Imbassahy, lower house leader for opposition party PMDB.
"It's a confession of guilt and a slap to society. President Dilma, by appointing him, has become his accomplice," Imbassahy added. "The final chapter in this story will be her impeachment."


Rousseff fired back at the criticism in a press conference.
"Lula's arrival in my government strengthens it and there are people who don't want it to be stronger," she said.
She played up Lula's political acumen and said she would give him "the necessary powers... to help Brazil."
Other opponents warned Lula would be the country's de facto leader.
"The ex-president is launching... his third term and the president is ending her second," said Green Party Senator Alvaro Dias.
Lula, 70, left office with 80 percent popularity ratings and the status of a hero to the left.
During his two terms, he presided over a watershed period of prosperity and social programs that helped lift tens of millions out of Brazilians poverty.
But his legacy is now threatened by charges that he accepted a luxury apartment as a bribe from a company implicated in the Petrobras scandal.
At a deeper level, he faces suspicions among many Brazilians that his entire administration was underpinned by graft.
Lula vigorously denies involvement in the scandal, in which investigators say construction companies conspired with Petrobras execs to overbill the oil giant to the tune of $2 billion, paying huge bribes to politicians and parties along the way.


Rousseff chaired Petrobras during much of the period in question, but does not face charges so far.
The anti-corruption probe now appears to have the president squarely in its sights, though.
In a plea deal published Tuesday, a senator arrested in the case accused Rousseff of trying to buy his silence.
The senator, Delcidio Amaral of the ruling Workers' Party, told investigators that Rousseff contacted him via intermediaries to urge him not to testify.
The president angrily denied the accusation.
Prosecutors have used plea bargains throughout the investigation to implicate a steadily expanding Who's Who politicians and business executives in the spiraling scandal.
The impeachment push against Rousseff is not directly related to the corruption scandal, but has advanced in tandem with it, deepening the crisis engulfing her administration.
The Supreme Court convened Wednesday to rule on the procedures for impeachment to go forward.
Rousseff's enemies in Congress launched the impeachment bid last year, but the high court halted it over procedural issues.
The president is accused of illegally manipulating the government's accounts to boost public spending during her 2014 re-election campaign.
On Sunday, an estimated three million Brazilians flooded the streets in nationwide protests calling for Rousseff's departure.
The president, whose government has ground to a virtual halt over the crisis, also risks being ditched by a key coalition partner, the centrist PMDB, the largest party in Brazil.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on March 16, 2016, 10:16:30 PM
Things are going REALLY crazy these days. CHUPA KEVIN SPACEY


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on March 17, 2016, 11:50:37 AM
The House will install Dilma's impeachment commission in a few moments. 65 representatives will compose it. According to sources a majority of its members are in favor of Dilma's impeachment. This will be decisive for the election of the President and the rapporteur of the commission. If both of them are on the impeachment side, then the works of the commission should be very quick.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on March 17, 2016, 08:53:33 PM
It is frightening what is happening in Brazil

I understand that the people have many motives to be very angry with Dilma's administration. I understand the demonstrations. But the demonstrators should respect the rights of the ones who don't agree with them.

In São Paulo, a man suffered physical violence because he was wearing a red T-shirt.
A girl was hit because when she was walking, a demonstrator asked her to join the protest and carry a Brazilian flag. She refused and said that she didn't agree with the protest. Some demonstrators called her names: communist, "petista".

The military police is under control of the state governments. The governor of São Paulo is Geraldo Alckmin (PSDB), an opponent of Dilma Rousseff. Usually, the riot police of São Paulo is very violent to anti-state government protests. But today, the riot police allowed the anti-Dilma demonstrators to block Avenida Paulista (one of the busiest avenues of São Paulo) because the riot police supports the protest.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on March 18, 2016, 08:25:57 AM
What is also interesting is that the ebb and flow of the Brazil equity markets as well as the value of BRL seems to be driven by international investors going in and out depending on the likelihood of  Dilma being out.  The basic idea seems to be that if Dilma is out then the focus of the government can shift to fixing structural problems versus Dilma using fiscal policy to prop up her regime.  Not sure if Dilma  is out it will play out that way but that how the market and mainly international investors are playing.   


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on March 18, 2016, 08:36:46 AM
What is also interesting is that the ebb and flow of the Brazil equity markets as well as the value of BRL seems to be driven by international investors going in and out depending on the likelihood of  Dilma being out.  The basic idea seems to be that if Dilma is out then the focus of the government can shift to fixing structural problems versus Dilma using fiscal policy to prop up her regime.  Not sure if Dilma  is out it will play out that way but that how the market and mainly international investors are playing.   

That's exactly what investors are thinking. The thing is, they believe whoever takes office if/when Dilma is out will NOT run for reelection in 2018, so they believe whoever takes office would be willing to go through unpopular austerity measures to heal Brazil's fiscal policy.

Remember, there's even a chance that both Dilma AND Temer could fall in a few months. If this happens after December 31st 2016, then an indirect election would be triggered in an unicameral session of the Congress. Then, the Congress would probably handpick an "elder statesman" who wouldn't run for reelection in 2018 and who would be willing to go through all necessary measures to repair Brazil's economy. In fact, I've already heard that Nelson Jobim (PMDB/RS) is a name being ventilated for this scenario. Jobim is a former Supreme Court Justice that was also on FHC's, Lula's and Dilma's cabinet. He'd probably tick all the necessary boxes for the job.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on March 18, 2016, 09:16:20 AM
I got back to what I wrote after the 2014 elections

Given what we know about the post-election Brazil and how close this election was, as someone else mentioned here, this will be a Pyrrhic victory.  

I think at this stage everyone in PT must be kicking themselves for not losing the 2014 elections.  If and when Dilma and Lalu get more exposed on what they have done and what they have done just to stay in power and out of jail, PT will not be able to comeback to power in a generation in my view.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: 🦀🎂🦀🎂 on March 18, 2016, 01:50:05 PM
How many parties are implicated in major corruption cases at the moment? Is it mainly confined to PT and PDMB. or the PSDB as well?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on March 19, 2016, 10:56:31 AM
I got back to what I wrote after the 2014 elections

Given what we know about the post-election Brazil and how close this election was, as someone else mentioned here, this will be a Pyrrhic victory.  

I think at this stage everyone in PT must be kicking themselves for not losing the 2014 elections.  If and when Dilma and Lalu get more exposed on what they have done and what they have done just to stay in power and out of jail, PT will not be able to comeback to power in a generation in my view.

Actually, IMHO the facts revealed over the last few days show exactly will Dilma needed so much to win that election. They desperately needed to be shielded from the ongoing criminal investigations. They actually believed they could control the activities of the Federal Police. And that was yet another mistake of them.

They don't care about PT anymore. As Lula reportedly said a few weeks ago, "PT is over". For the left, the true problem is that the whole PT backlash seems to be tarnishing some other left wing parties that could have replaced the PT as Brazil's leading left wing party. PCdoB is pretty much doomed by now, as it was always a satellite for PT. PSOL will also be hurt for this, as they only reinforced the image of being PT's "auxiliary line" (as Aecio Neves said in 2014) over the last months. Meanwhile, PSB has decidedly moved to the center over the last year, and Marina Silva's REDE is also being forced to take a stand which will probably drive her to the center as well. Finally, as you probably realize by now, one of the biggest consequences of this whole mess is that Brazil, a country that swung between the center and the left ever since the military regime ended, has somewhat drifted to the right ever since the 2013 demonstrations. There's now both a fiscalyl conservative, socially liberal right in Brazil (something that never trully existed, a movement that's very strong among millenials and that's embodied by a new party called NOVO) and a socially conservative right that always existed, but has finally organized itself in Congress.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DC Al Fine on March 19, 2016, 02:29:24 PM
What is also interesting is that the ebb and flow of the Brazil equity markets as well as the value of BRL seems to be driven by international investors going in and out depending on the likelihood of  Dilma being out.  The basic idea seems to be that if Dilma is out then the focus of the government can shift to fixing structural problems versus Dilma using fiscal policy to prop up her regime.  Not sure if Dilma  is out it will play out that way but that how the market and mainly international investors are playing.   

That's exactly what investors are thinking. The thing is, they believe whoever takes office if/when Dilma is out will NOT run for reelection in 2018, so they believe whoever takes office would be willing to go through unpopular austerity measures to heal Brazil's fiscal policy.

Remember, there's even a chance that both Dilma AND Temer could fall in a few months. If this happens after December 31st 2016, then an indirect election would be triggered in an unicameral session of the Congress. Then, the Congress would probably handpick an "elder statesman" who wouldn't run for reelection in 2018 and who would be willing to go through all necessary measures to repair Brazil's economy. In fact, I've already heard that Nelson Jobim (PMDB/RS) is a name being ventilated for this scenario. Jobim is a former Supreme Court Justice that was also on FHC's, Lula's and Dilma's cabinet. He'd probably tick all the necessary boxes for the job.

What measures would those be?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on March 19, 2016, 04:29:13 PM
What is also interesting is that the ebb and flow of the Brazil equity markets as well as the value of BRL seems to be driven by international investors going in and out depending on the likelihood of  Dilma being out.  The basic idea seems to be that if Dilma is out then the focus of the government can shift to fixing structural problems versus Dilma using fiscal policy to prop up her regime.  Not sure if Dilma  is out it will play out that way but that how the market and mainly international investors are playing.   

That's exactly what investors are thinking. The thing is, they believe whoever takes office if/when Dilma is out will NOT run for reelection in 2018, so they believe whoever takes office would be willing to go through unpopular austerity measures to heal Brazil's fiscal policy.

Remember, there's even a chance that both Dilma AND Temer could fall in a few months. If this happens after December 31st 2016, then an indirect election would be triggered in an unicameral session of the Congress. Then, the Congress would probably handpick an "elder statesman" who wouldn't run for reelection in 2018 and who would be willing to go through all necessary measures to repair Brazil's economy. In fact, I've already heard that Nelson Jobim (PMDB/RS) is a name being ventilated for this scenario. Jobim is a former Supreme Court Justice that was also on FHC's, Lula's and Dilma's cabinet. He'd probably tick all the necessary boxes for the job.

What measures would those be?

Immediately:

1 - reducing the debt by reducing unnecessary spending, reducing the number of cabinet positions and reducing the number of federal public servants,
2 - reforming the Constitution to reduce mandatory spending (Brazil has a bizarre public spending system where about 90% of all public spending is mandatory and cannot be blocked during a situation of crisis),
3 - cutting down absurd regulations and interventions created by Dilma that made investors flee the country.

With those 3 measures we'd be able to restore confidence and a balanced budget by 2018 IMO. Those should also be enough to bring back the inflation to its targeted rate of 4,5%. On the long term, though, more reforms would be needed, like:

4 - Welfare/pensions reform (the toughest one due to the political implications of this, this is probably the most important one, as Brazil's welfare system has a hole of over 100 billion reais)
5 - Tax reform (very tricky because there's a huge war between the federal government, states governments and local governments about this one)
6 - Government procurement reform (vital to cut down the corruption on the public service)
7 - Privatizations (Brazil has over 100 state owned companies, some of them running huge deficits).


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on March 19, 2016, 08:32:18 PM
What is also interesting is that the ebb and flow of the Brazil equity markets as well as the value of BRL seems to be driven by international investors going in and out depending on the likelihood of  Dilma being out.  The basic idea seems to be that if Dilma is out then the focus of the government can shift to fixing structural problems versus Dilma using fiscal policy to prop up her regime.  Not sure if Dilma  is out it will play out that way but that how the market and mainly international investors are playing.   

That's exactly what investors are thinking. The thing is, they believe whoever takes office if/when Dilma is out will NOT run for reelection in 2018, so they believe whoever takes office would be willing to go through unpopular austerity measures to heal Brazil's fiscal policy.

Remember, there's even a chance that both Dilma AND Temer could fall in a few months. If this happens after December 31st 2016, then an indirect election would be triggered in an unicameral session of the Congress. Then, the Congress would probably handpick an "elder statesman" who wouldn't run for reelection in 2018 and who would be willing to go through all necessary measures to repair Brazil's economy. In fact, I've already heard that Nelson Jobim (PMDB/RS) is a name being ventilated for this scenario. Jobim is a former Supreme Court Justice that was also on FHC's, Lula's and Dilma's cabinet. He'd probably tick all the necessary boxes for the job.

What measures would those be?

Immediately:

1 - reducing the debt by reducing unnecessary spending, reducing the number of cabinet positions and reducing the number of federal public servants,
2 - reforming the Constitution to reduce mandatory spending (Brazil has a bizarre public spending system where about 90% of all public spending is mandatory and cannot be blocked during a situation of crisis),
3 - cutting down absurd regulations and interventions created by Dilma that made investors flee the country.

With those 3 measures we'd be able to restore confidence and a balanced budget by 2018 IMO. Those should also be enough to bring back the inflation to its targeted rate of 4,5%. On the long term, though, more reforms would be needed, like:

4 - Welfare/pensions reform (the toughest one due to the political implications of this, this is probably the most important one, as Brazil's welfare system has a hole of over 100 billion reais)
5 - Tax reform (very tricky because there's a huge war between the federal government, states governments and local governments about this one)
6 - Government procurement reform (vital to cut down the corruption on the public service)
7 - Privatizations (Brazil has over 100 state owned companies, some of them running huge deficits).
Problem is following:
1 - We can reduce debt, but not cutting public services. we can make better use of technology, create better procedures, but not at cost of a public service.
2 - Mandatory spending is a thing that insures that money will go to things that are needed. Things that we can question is quality of expenses. And systems of control failures.
3 - Dilma made this attempt when things were looking good. Energy reform became a failure after water crisis (Brazilian system is made of water-moved power plant)
4 - Welfare reform is needed, but a human welfare reform, that doesn't cut acquired rights. One example. Rural benefits (not Bolsa Familia) are very important means of giving resources to survival in poorer regions. But I don't support military benefits for single daughters who lives as common-law wives or widow benefits for younger wives with a large age gap with their husbands. We need to recognize a system good for a contemporary world.
5 - Tax reform is hardest duty. Nobody will do a tax reform in a federative country that has one state with 20% of people (São Paulo). Small reforms would be viable.
6 - Procurement reform is a good way. Have more independent control procedures, more citizenship acting than conflicts. People doesn't know how things function and then corrupts can act free. And even Audit Court is having problems in Lava Jato.
7 - Sell Petrobras, Eletrobras, BB, Caixa, and etcetera. And then do what? Become hostages of oligopolies, financial markets, stock exchanges. Phone companies were sold, but they are with most problems with Justice. Government is with part of blame, but I doubt that this will change with PSDB.

Free market won't solve Brazilian problems alone, but D-E-M-O-C-R-A-C-Y is best solution. Political reforms will help more to fight corruption than illegal wiretappings, political gossips, censorship of thinking and pro-business reforms. This coup is a coup of corrupts wanting to survive.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Famous Mortimer on March 20, 2016, 07:43:35 PM
Who becomes president when Dilma is impeached?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on March 20, 2016, 08:07:14 PM
Who becomes president when Dilma is impeached?

The Vice President - Michel Temer (PMDB/SP)


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Famous Mortimer on March 20, 2016, 08:39:38 PM
but the PMDB is also implicated in corruption? Is the VP himself clean? Could they try to impeach him too? Could there be early elections?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on March 20, 2016, 09:55:28 PM
but the PMDB is also implicated in corruption? Is the VP himself clean? Could they try to impeach him too? Could there be early elections?

I believe the risk was that, if improperly gained funds were found to have been used in the presidential elections, the election results could be declared irregular and invalidated by the Supreme Court, claiming not only Dilma's post but Temer's job as well. If this were to happen-- I think-- before the end of this year, this would trigger a new presidential election, but if  it were to happen afterwards the Congress would be tasked with elected a caretaker to fill out Dilma's term. I could be wrong though-- one of our Brazilian posters can correct me if so.

It'll be interesting to see, after all is said and done, what political future-- if any-- Moro will have, and if this will dovetail with the conservative resurgence Paleobrazilian described (it goes without saying that, while RodPresident makes some good counter-points, PaleoB's policy prescriptions are by and large the right ones).

A "classical liberal" movement could very easily, especially after all that has happened, make "good governance" its watchword; a crusading anti-corruption judge would be a natural leader in that case. I assume the socially conservative movements are at least in large part Protestant (Garotinho, Pastor Everaldo, etc, etc). Where does PSDB fit into all this? I have seen it described  as a "party of the right rather than a right-wing party", but might this enable a more formal shift? Then there is legislative and electoral reform, but that is a whole 'nother issue entirely...


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on March 20, 2016, 10:03:03 PM
but the PMDB is also implicated in corruption? Is the VP himself clean? Could they try to impeach him too? Could there be early elections?

1 - yes, the PMDB is strongly implicated on the Petrobras scandal.

2 - while there's nothing solid against Temer until now, there are many rumours that something against him will emerge soon. Some claim he's strongly connected to a former Petrobras director called Jorge Zelada who's currently arrested on corruption charges.

3 - it's highly likely that Temer will face impeachment proceedings if he takes office, specially if something against him comes up.

4 - if both Dilma and Temer fall before January 1st 2017, a new general election would be triggered in 90 days to elect a stopgap President that would govern until 2018. If they fall after that, the stopgap President would be elect ed through an indirect election that would take place in an unicameral session of Congress.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Ebsy on March 20, 2016, 11:04:45 PM
S[Inks] appears to be hitting the fan:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-politics-idUSKCN0WL0OT

A senator accused of involvement in Brazil's biggest corruption scandal said on Saturday President Dilma Rousseff and her predecessor Lula were aware of it and tried to block investigations, as a poll showed support for her impeachment rising.

In an interview with Brazil's best-selling weekly news magazine, Senator Delcidio do Amaral said Rousseff's successful presidential campaigns in 2010 and 2014 were financed with money from the graft scheme.

Amaral was the leader of the ruling Workers' Party (PT) in the Senate and a close Rousseff ally until he was arrested in November on charges of attempting to bribe a former executive of state-run oil company Petrobras in exchange for his silence in the investigation..

He left the party this week after agreeing a plea bargain, one of several deals prosecutors have used to advance their probe.


I don't see how she isn't removed from office, regardless of the truth.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Famous Mortimer on March 21, 2016, 01:07:19 AM
I see Ciro Gomes has switched parties yet again, to the PDT. Amusingly, the same party as his Senator ex-wife. Did PROS stop existing?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on March 21, 2016, 07:47:56 AM
but the PMDB is also implicated in corruption? Is the VP himself clean? Could they try to impeach him too? Could there be early elections?

I believe the risk was that, if improperly gained funds were found to have been used in the presidential elections, the election results could be declared irregular and invalidated by the Supreme Court, claiming not only Dilma's post but Temer's job as well. If this were to happen-- I think-- before the end of this year, this would trigger a new presidential election, but if  it were to happen afterwards the Congress would be tasked with elected a caretaker to fill out Dilma's term. I could be wrong though-- one of our Brazilian posters can correct me if so.

Generally that's correct. The key detail is that, in this case, it would be the Superior Electoral Tribunal that would invalidate the election, not the Supreme Court. This is important because an appeal to the Supreme Court would be possible, even though tricky because a possible violation to the Constitution would be needed to refer the case to the Supreme Court.

I see Ciro Gomes has switched parties yet again, to the PDT. Amusingly, the same party as his Senator ex-wife. Did PROS stop existing?

No, it didn't. Ciro Gomes is the proof of why Brazil's multi-party system is broken. PDT is the seventh party of his political career. Remember, Ciro Gomes himself created PROS when he was unhappy that PSB wouldn't support Dilma's reelection. Then when the PDT offered him the possibility of running for President in 2018, he didn't think twice about making yet another switch.

By the way, here's what Ciro Gomes is up to over the last few weeks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKCbn4aOhDw


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on March 21, 2016, 10:32:33 PM
More pictures of the anti-impeachment red shirts demonstrations which took place in many Brazilian cities on March 18th.
http://www.jornalggn.com.br/noticia/atos-pela-democracia-espalhados-pelo-brasil

Only in the Northeast the red shirts outnumbered the pro impeachment yellow shirts, whose demonstrations took place on March 13th. However, the numbers of red shirts were relevant.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Famous Mortimer on March 22, 2016, 02:12:57 AM
Explain what's happening in the Ciro Gomes video?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on March 22, 2016, 01:13:05 PM
Explain what's happening in the Ciro Gomes video?
Someone is protesting in front of Ciro's house insultes Lula, he says "Lula is a sh**t".

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Did PROS stop existing?
PROS is a random party, he will continue existing because is a good business. Some other politician will "rent" it ant it's fine.


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I don't see how she isn't removed from office, regardless of the truth.
Well, like I said, things are a bit crazy in here. Almost all the presidential line of succession is contaminated.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on March 23, 2016, 09:11:35 AM
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Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on March 23, 2016, 07:30:54 PM
Ciro is a strange kind of politician. He gained fame as able administrator along Tasso Jereissati who remains in PSDB. But Ciro always had a bad temper and an autocratic personality. And he always left parties when he clashed with party barons.
He called Vice President Temer as "Captain of Coup". His brother left Dilma's cabinet after he called Speaker Cunha of "racketeer" and about Congress being made of "300, 400 rackeeters". His campaign strategy is to beat hard in corrupt pragmatic parties like PMDB and promise more left-wing economic policies, to look like as heir of PT.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on March 29, 2016, 04:07:43 PM
And the PMDB got out of the government.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on March 29, 2016, 06:35:06 PM
Those last days were a bloodbath for the government. The loss of PMDB had been expected for the last few days, but the way it happened today (a unanimous decision from PMDB's national committee) was humiliating for Dilma. All PMDB members working for the Federal Government will have to leave their offices over the next few days. Among those there are 6 Ministers (there were 7 until yesterday, but one of them decided to leave even before the decision from the national committee) and over 500 first, second and third tier officials appointed by Lula/Dilma.

Dilma will try to use those jobs to convince some other parties like PP, PR, PSD, PTB and PTN to remain by her side and vote against the impeachment. However, it's believed that all of those parties will break away from the government sooner or later, as they all face rebellions by their bases - pretty much all of their Congressmen want the impeachment. Plus, they know they could get the same perks from a Temer government without having to deal with Dilma's unpopularity. PMDB's decision will probably pave the way for those others and it won't take long until all of them adopt a position of "independence" from the government (a position that would be a de facto move to the opposition). PSD has already announced their Congressmen are freed to vote on the impeachment as they want, and it's believed at least 70% of them are pro-impeachment.

PMDB's decision is huge because for the last 31 years PMDB was always in government or at least pretty close to it. It has the largest number of Congressmen, the largest number of Senators, the largest number of Governors and the largest number of Mayors. Being such a huge monster of Brazil's politics, it's only natural that the other smaller, non-ideological parties will follow it. Make no mistake. They're not leaving the government because they want to be in opposition. They're leaving the government because they believe they will be the government soon.

Meanwhile, PT hurts more and more each passing day. Over the last weeks the party has lost Mayors from important cities like Jorge Lapas from Osasco and Rodrigo Neves from Niterói. Today it lost Senator Walter Pinheiro. It'll only get worse from now on. No one will want to be on their side on the local elections of October. In the State of São Paulo for example, it's pretty much certain that the party will be decimated.

While all of this is happening, Michel Temer has been very quiet, waiting for what will happen with the government. To avoid being courted by politicians in Brasília, he has spent much of the last few weeks in São Paulo, quietly talking to politicians from all parties, businessmen, etc. A national union government led by Temer is being quickly built by those actors.

As for the impeachment, the proceedings are well under way in the House of Representatives. Discussions and hearings are taking place almost daily. It's believed that the non-binding opinion of the impeachment commission will be read and voted by the commission on April 12th. After that, the rapport should be quickly sent to the floor. According to rumors, the President of the House, Congressman Eduardo Cunha (PMDB/RJ) will submit the opinion to the floor on April 17th. As you'll notice, April 17th will be a Sunday. This day was obviously chosen to provide large demonstrations in favor of the impeachment right before the voting (including demonstrations at Brasília, which should be absolutely gigantic). Also, pretty much all Brazilians will be watching the session on their homes. During the impeachment vote, all Congressmen will be forced to read out loud their vote, so voting against the impeachment will be a huge electoral handicap for whoever does so. Remember, Cunha is a longtime opponent of the government who's been on the impeachment train for long now, so he'll do everything he can to make Dilma's life harder.

IMO, there are about 280-300 solid votes for the impeachment right now, and about 100 solid votes against it. IMO, about 120 votes are in play right now (Brazil's House has 513 Congressmen). The opposition probably needs about half of those uncertain votes to safely cross the threshold of 342 votes needed to open impeachment proceedings and submit the matter to the Senate.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DC Al Fine on March 29, 2016, 07:08:26 PM
I see Ciro Gomes has switched parties yet again, to the PDT. Amusingly, the same party as his Senator ex-wife. Did PROS stop existing?

No, it didn't. Ciro Gomes is the proof of why Brazil's multi-party system is broken. PDT is the seventh party of his political career. Remember, Ciro Gomes himself created PROS when he was unhappy that PSB wouldn't support Dilma's reelection. Then when the PDT offered him the possibility of running for President in 2018, he didn't think twice about making yet another switch.

By the way, here's what Ciro Gomes is up to over the last few weeks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKCbn4aOhDw

Your comment about Brazil's "broken party system" has made me curious. Could you answer these questions:

1) How many of the parties actually have coherent ideologies? Which ones?

2) I kind of get the appeal of PMDB, but why would one vote for one of the smaller non-ideological parties? (Clientelism, individual politicians?

3) How would you (or any of the other Brazilians) change the electoral system to fix the broken system?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on March 29, 2016, 08:28:33 PM
I see Ciro Gomes has switched parties yet again, to the PDT. Amusingly, the same party as his Senator ex-wife. Did PROS stop existing?

No, it didn't. Ciro Gomes is the proof of why Brazil's multi-party system is broken. PDT is the seventh party of his political career. Remember, Ciro Gomes himself created PROS when he was unhappy that PSB wouldn't support Dilma's reelection. Then when the PDT offered him the possibility of running for President in 2018, he didn't think twice about making yet another switch.

By the way, here's what Ciro Gomes is up to over the last few weeks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKCbn4aOhDw

Your comment about Brazil's "broken party system" has made me curious. Could you answer these questions:

1) How many of the parties actually have coherent ideologies? Which ones?

2) I kind of get the appeal of PMDB, but why would one vote for one of the smaller non-ideological parties? (Clientelism, individual politicians?

3) How would you (or any of the other Brazilians) change the electoral system to fix the broken system?

1- there are 35 parties in Brazil. 25 of them are represented in Congress. That said:

a) Among those represented in Congress:

I'd say PT, PCdoB and PSOL are the only ones with well defined ideologies. PT may have taken some "pragmatic" measures in power, but it's still a left wing party and it's base has actually drifted further to the left as the political crisis got worse. The same could be said about PCdoB, which is a satellite of PT that's a bit further to the left than PT. Finally, PSOL has a solid, uniform hard left platform.

PDT is an interesting case. It has a well defined left wing and is strongly connected to the labor cause and the inheritance of one of the most important politicians in Brazil on the second half of the 20th century - Leonel Brizola. However, over the last 14 years, the party was forced to take some choices that could be seen as a betrayal of their former values. Anyway, IMO, the party moved back to the left over the last few months, as many center leaning politicians left the party over the last months (like Senators Cristovam Buarque and Reguffe and Mato Grosso's Governor Pedro Taques). Remember, PDT was the party where Dilma's political career started and she always had a good relationship with them. So, I guess you could call PDT an ideological party.

PV (Brazil's Green Party) could be considered ideological on the sense that it's strongly connected to the green movement and with a well defined program. However, unlike many Green Parties around the world, PV doesn't really tilt to the left on economical issues (Eduardo Jorge, PV's candidate to the presidency in 2014, made this very clear back then). I guess you could define it as a centrist party with a liberal streak (on the European sense of the word) and a strong concern for ecological causes.

On the right side of the political spectrum, PSC is probably the most well defined party, as a Christian Democracy party. It tilts hardly to the left on social issues, but it's hard to define it on the economy (some on the party, like 2014 presidential candidate Pastor Everaldo, are fiscal conservatives, but it's not a unanimous position on the party). Meanwhile, DEM has slowly morphed into a center-right, fiscal conservative party, but it's not a done deal yet - it'll take a little while for this process to consolidate.

PSDB is a mess ideologically. It has a center left faction (connected to its left wing roots, led by FHC and José Serra), a centrist, pragmatic faction (pretty much Aecio Neves' faction, it blends the party social democracy tilt with it's younger, fiscal conservative factions) and a younger, center right faction, formed by younger politicians that oppose vehemently PT's government (this is Geraldo Alckmin's faction). I think it's slowly drifting from the center-left to the center-right as the years go by, but this is an agonizingly slow process that's been hurting the party for the last 14 years.

PPS is a center-left party that goes along well with PSDB's center-left faction. Thus, PPS is pretty much a center-left satellite of PSDB nowadays. The same could be said about SD, a very curious case of a labor movement party with a fiscal conservative tilt.

PSB was traditionally a left party. Today, I'd say it's a center left party that's tilting to the center. They seem to be lost between its older faction (that's strongly left wing) and its new faction (that's centrist and pro business, largely created by Eduardo Campos).

Marina Silva's REDE is a huge question mark. No one really knows what it stands for. Not having a clear program hurt Marina Silva in 2014 and could hurt her again in the future.

All the other parties in Congress are totally non ideological. Sadly, there are some 15 parties with over 250 Congressmen and 40 Senators that stand for nothing. Some may tilt to the right on social issues, but it's not a well defined thing.

b) Among parties with no representation in Congress, there are some far-left parties (like PCB, PSTU and PCO). Now there's also NOVO, Brazil's first truly liberal party (fiscally conservative and socially liberal).


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on March 29, 2016, 09:32:48 PM
I see Ciro Gomes has switched parties yet again, to the PDT. Amusingly, the same party as his Senator ex-wife. Did PROS stop existing?

No, it didn't. Ciro Gomes is the proof of why Brazil's multi-party system is broken. PDT is the seventh party of his political career. Remember, Ciro Gomes himself created PROS when he was unhappy that PSB wouldn't support Dilma's reelection. Then when the PDT offered him the possibility of running for President in 2018, he didn't think twice about making yet another switch.

By the way, here's what Ciro Gomes is up to over the last few weeks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKCbn4aOhDw

Your comment about Brazil's "broken party system" has made me curious. Could you answer these questions:

1) How many of the parties actually have coherent ideologies? Which ones?

2) I kind of get the appeal of PMDB, but why would one vote for one of the smaller non-ideological parties? (Clientelism, individual politicians?

3) How would you (or any of the other Brazilians) change the electoral system to fix the broken system?

2- IMO, there are 4 relevant factors. One of them is definitely the individualistic nature of Brazil's politics. That's just how things work in Brazil, people don't care about ideologies, they vote for personalities. Those non ideological parties have many "mythical" figures in Brazilian politics with, unfortunately, still attract a lot of votes. Of course, this happens mostly because, as you probably imagine, Brazil still has a very large number of voters with little or no education, who tend to vote on those "mythical" figures. But that's not the only cause.

There's also the proportional system of voting for the House of Representatives, because it increases fragmentation and helps those non ideological parties, that tend to form alliances with the major parties.

Third, it's important to remember that Brazil is a three tier Federation, composed by the Federal Government, 26 State Governments, Federal District's Government and over 5000 Municipal Governments. Some parties may stand for nothing relevant on the national picture, but may have a strong presence on State and Municipal politics. One interesting example that comes to my mind is PP in Rio Grande do Sul, where PP has been the leading figure on the right side for a long while, even though PP has been a loyal partner to PT on the national level. Another interesting example are the many rebel factions of PMDB that finally got the breakup they long dreamed of today. In important states like Bahia and Rio Grande do Sul, PMDB and PT have been bitter rivals for a long while. Thus, the fact that there's no correlation between national politics and local politics mean that a smaller, non ideological party may have a strong presence on a certain state.

Finally, there's the fact that EVERYONE in Brazil wants to be in government, to benefit from the perks of being in government (specially the ones being revealed on the Petrobras scandal we're witnessing right now). Non ideological parties are excellent for politicians that only want a big tent to be in government. As you see, Brazilian politicians care more about benefiting from the government than about any sort of ideology. It's just sad.

3- There are many reforms I'd like to see. Here are them:

a) The most important one for me is the creation of a performance clause like the one used by Germany's Bundestag. Unfortunately in 2006 the Supreme Court decided that a performance clause created a few years earlier violated the Constitution - it's widely considered one of the worst decisions the Supreme Court has ever made. If a new performance clause were approved by Congress today, I think the Supreme Court would uphold its constitutionality, but you never know.

b) On elections, local alliances should be the same as of national alliances. The fact that local alliances can be different from national ones causes fragmentation and take cohesion out of the system.

c) End the proportional system to elect Congressman. I'm in favor of a purely district system like the one used in the UK, but wouldn't be opposed to a system that combines district voting to proportional voting like the one from Germany.

d) Adopt a truly proportional division of Federal Congressmen between states. Under Brazil's Constitution, there's a floor of 8 Congressmen and a roof of 70 Congressmen a State can have. This leads to an aberration where a tiny State like Roraima has one Congressmen for each 60 thousand people, while in State with a large population like São Paulo there's one Congressmen for each 600 thousand people. Due to this rule, there's a significant democracy gap on the largest states, which are significantly underrepresented in the House of Representatives.

e) Force Legislators to resign their seats if they take an office on the Executive. It's common in Brazil the appointment of Legislators to cabinet positions in order to build political support among his peers. With those reforms, I think this problem would disappear, as no Legislator would make such a move unless he were appointed to a top cabinet position.

f) Term limits for Legislators. Plus, harder term limits for the Executive (limit politicians to 2 terms, absolute).


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on March 30, 2016, 08:59:50 AM
3- There are many reforms I'd like to see. Here are them:

a) The most important one for me is the creation of a performance clause like the one used by Germany's Bundestag. Unfortunately in 2006 the Supreme Court decided that a performance clause created a few years earlier violated the Constitution - it's widely considered one of the worst decisions the Supreme Court has ever made. If a new performance clause were approved by Congress today, I think the Supreme Court would uphold its constitutionality, but you never know.

b) On elections, local alliances should be the same as of national alliances. The fact that local alliances can be different from national ones causes fragmentation and take cohesion out of the system.

c) End the proportional system to elect Congressman. I'm in favor of a purely district system like the one used in the UK, but wouldn't be opposed to a system that combines district voting to proportional voting like the one from Germany.

d) Adopt a truly proportional division of Federal Congressmen between states. Under Brazil's Constitution, there's a ceiling of 8 Congressmen and a roof of 70 Congressmen a State can have. This leads to an aberration where a tiny State like Roraima has one Congressmen for each 60 thousand people, while in State with a large population like São Paulo there's one Congressmen for each 600 thousand people. Due to this rule, there's a significant democracy gap on the largest states, which are significantly underrepresented in the House of Representatives.

e) Force Legislators to resign their seats if they take an office on the Executive. It's common in Brazil the appointment of Legislators to cabinet positions in order to build political support among his peers. With those reforms, I think this problem would disappear, as no Legislator would make such a move unless he were appointed to a top cabinet position.

f) Term limits for Legislators. Plus, harder term limits for the Executive (limit politicians to 2 terms, absolute).

I agree with e and f.

I think:
a) Performance clause will limit the Congress to a few parties, the same big parties that not represent the people. To reduce the numbers of parties things like television time and party fund shoul be revised
b) aliances in proportional system should be banned, IMO
c) districtal vote in Brasil will be very complicated because of the question of the indivualism thing
d) São Paulo will pratically run the country, and historically it didn't work

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3) How would you (or any of the other Brazilians) change the electoral system to fix the broken system?
It has a lot of diferent thousands of views, but the people who can change the system (congresmen) uses only one: how they will maintain their power. Unhappily, a lot of them are oporttunists about it. In times of crisis, per example, they say things about parlamentarism or ends reelection for executive.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on March 30, 2016, 11:49:36 AM
According to rumors the impeachment vote on the floor of the House will take 3 days. There'll be long speeches and party leaders could have up to 1 hour to make their orientations. The final day of voting will probably be April 17th, as I said earlier. It's believed that Congressmen will be called to vote on an order that starts with Congressmen from Southern Brazil and ends with Congressmen from Northern Brazil. This is yet another strategy used by Eduardo Cunha to make things harder for Dilma - in States from the South and the Southeast a vast majority of Congressmen will vote for the impeachment. This would create a wave feeling that would make voting against the impeachment tough for Congressmen voting later.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on March 30, 2016, 07:26:02 PM
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Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: 🦀🎂🦀🎂 on March 30, 2016, 07:39:52 PM
So what happens if not only Dilma, but also Temer and Cunha are done for corruption?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on March 31, 2016, 07:07:40 AM
So what happens if not only Dilma, but also Temer and Cunha are done for corruption?

If both Dilma and Temer fall, then the President of the House would provisionally take office until the special election is arranged (if they both fall before January 1st, 2017, it's a direct election, if this happens on January 1st, 2017 or later, it's an indirect election on an unicameral session of Congress). However, if the President of the House cannot take office, then the provisional President would be the 4th name on the line of succession, which is the President of the Senate, Renan Calheiros (PMDB/AL). The problem is that Calheiros is also involved with tons of corruption scandals and there's a big chance that he wouldn't be able to take office as well. Then the next in line would be the President of the Supreme Court. Right now it's Minister Ricardo Lewandowski (in Brazil, Supreme Court judges are called Ministers), but in September his 2 year term ends and Minister Carmen Lúcia will be elected as the new President of the Court by her peers (there's a long time tradition on Brazil's Supreme Court that the Ministers elect as their President the Minister who has served the longest time without being President).


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on March 31, 2016, 07:33:35 AM
But lets be honest for a moment: all Brazilian politicians are on the take. Still you almost have to admire quite how catastrophically Dilma has handled this.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: TheDeadFlagBlues on April 01, 2016, 12:54:31 AM
Was it a tactical error for Moro to go after Lula by releasing that audio transcript?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Ebsy on April 01, 2016, 01:31:25 AM
Was it a tactical error for Moro to go after Lula by releasing that audio transcript?
It certainly made the investigation appear more blatantly partisan, but I think it is too soon to say if it was an error.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 01, 2016, 07:57:15 AM
Poor Dilma. The Government was celebrating that the last 2 days were a little bit better for them and that their chances of blocking the impeachment were growing. But guess what: today, on a new plot twist, the Petrobras investigation has uncovered the link between PT and the murder of Celso Daniel, the biggest Pandora Box of Brazil's politics. Ouch.

BTW, the investigation has also shown how the Petrobras scandal and the Mensalão scandal were pretty much the same thing. This could be the Armageddon for PT.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on April 01, 2016, 09:56:01 AM
Was it a tactical error for Moro to go after Lula by releasing that audio transcript?
It certainly made the investigation appear more blatantly partisan, but I think it is too soon to say if it was an error.
He had to apologize. And Supreme Court ministers didn't like his attitude, as seen in yesterday's judgement about whom is responsible for Lula's process (that stayed in Supreme Court).


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 04, 2016, 06:43:25 AM
The government will present its defense on the impeachment commission today. Tomorrow, the rapporteur of the impeachment commission will present his report - which will likely be in favor of the impeachment. The non-binding report will probably be voted by the commission next Monday, where it'll likely be approved by a wide margin.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 05, 2016, 11:56:32 AM
Supreme Court Minister Marco Aurelio Mello has granted an injunction that will force the House to open impeachment proceedings against Michel Temer. I believe this injunction will be revoked in a few weeks when the whole Court will make its definitive ruling on the matter, but at least for now there are 2 impeachment proceedings going on: one against Dilma and one against Temer.

According to the rapporteur of Dilma's impeachment commission, his opinion will be presented to the commission tomorrow. Then the document will be discussed by the commission for 2 days, and after the discussion the commission will vote on it (likely next Monday). It's expected that the report will be in favor of Dilma's impeachment and that it'll easily pass the commission, submitting the matter to the floor of the House, where it'll probably be discussed on April 15th and 16th, and finally voted by the Congressmen on April 17th.

Dilma's/PT's strategy for the last few days has been what has been dubbed the "retail" method instead of the traditional "wholesale" method usually used in Brazil's politics. Thus, instead of negotiating with the parties, Dilma and PT are negotiating directly with undecided Congressmen (there are about 100-120 of them right now). The offers being made to them are unbelievably generous, including up to 1 million reais in pork barrel for each Congressman that votes against the impeachment and full control of powerful Ministries (such as Education, Health, Agriculture, etc) and State owned companies and banks. It's no surprise that some of them are now leaning against the impeachment. The offer they're getting is enormous and many of those Congressmen are irrelevant backbenchers (jokingly called "lower clergy" here in Brazil), who now have the chance of their life to get power and good$$$ from the federal government. As you can see, the only chance Dilma has to survive the impeachment proceedings against her is making the system even more corrupt than it already is.

The strategy of the opposition, meanwhile, has been to expose those against the impeachment on public places and social networks. Also, Congressmen from the opposition are threatening Congressmen implicated on the Petrobras scandal that vote against the impeachment with proceedings on the House ethics committee. It's important to remember that the party being most heavily courted by Dilma, PP, is by far the most implicated on the Petrobras scandal. PP has 50 Congressmen and over 30 of them have been hit by the scandal. If proceedings against them are opened on the ethics committee, I believe many of them would be ejected from the House. As you can see, the battle will get uglier and uglier each passing day.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 05, 2016, 04:09:11 PM
Things are getting absurd here in Brazil. Eduardo Cunha has said he will NOT obey the decision of Minister of Marco Aurelio Mello, because, according to him, the decision violates the separation of Powers and determines something the Constitution doesn't allow (impeachment proceedings against the Vice President). While I think he's correct on both points and that those arguments will soon prevail when the whole Supreme Court decides on the matter, it shows how fragile our institutions are right now when the Legislative and the Judiciary come at war about the impeachment of the second highest authority of the Executive.

Meanwhile, many legislators from both sides of the aisle have been talking about calling a new general election on October (when the local elections will take place). Some have talked about an amendment to the Constitution to call an election on October. Of course, this is nonsense, as Brazil is a presidential country and the term of the Chief of the Executive branch cannot be ended through a constitutional amendment. In fact, the same could be said about the term of the Legislators - Brazil has a presidential system, no one can dissolve Brazil's Congress. Such an amendment would be quickly struck down by the Supreme Court as unconstitutional.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on April 05, 2016, 04:42:47 PM
That's funny:

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/The-Man-Who-Wants-to-Impeach-Rousseff-Named-in-Panama-Papers--20160404-0025.html


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Derpist on April 05, 2016, 09:40:42 PM
Such an amendment would be quickly struck down by the Supreme Court as unconstitutional.

Isn't a constitutional amendment by definition violate the current constitution? I would be pretty horrified by a Supreme Court that strikes down a constitutional amendment as unconstitutional.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 06, 2016, 06:56:13 AM
Such an amendment would be quickly struck down by the Supreme Court as unconstitutional.

Isn't a constitutional amendment by definition violate the current constitution? I would be pretty horrified by a Supreme Court that strikes down a constitutional amendment as unconstitutional.

I beg your pardon. There's an important detail that I should have mentioned. Brazil's Constitution has a system of eternity clauses similar to the one adopted by Germany's Basic Law. There are four fundamental principles of Brazil's Constitution that cannot be changed even through a constitutional amendment. One of them includes the basic principles of Brazil's electoral system.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on April 07, 2016, 09:42:18 AM
That's funny:

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/The-Man-Who-Wants-to-Impeach-Rousseff-Named-in-Panama-Papers--20160404-0025.html

Well, he is in almost every list about offshore accounts and things that envolves money in other countries.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 07, 2016, 11:51:05 AM
Yesterday, Congressman Jovair Arantes (PTB/GO) presented his report to the impeachment commission, where he recommended opening proceedings against Dilma on the Senate. The commission will vote his report on Monday, when it's expected to pass fairly easily. Then it'll be submitted to the floor of the House.

Over the last few days, the government seemed to gain some ground against the impeachment as offers to undecided voters got more and more aggressive. Those last 24 hours were largely unfavorable to it, though. The report presented yesterday was very tough on the government, even more than expected. Plus, today it was learned that executives from a large constructor called AG told and proved to the feds that their large donations to Dilma's campaign in 2014 were in fact generous bribes. IMO, it's now likely that the Superior Electoral Tribunal will vacate the results of the 2014 election due to this.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on April 07, 2016, 04:13:32 PM
Yesterday, Congressman Jovair Arantes (PTB/GO) presented his report to the impeachment commission, where he recommended opening proceedings against Dilma on the Senate. The commission will vote his report on Monday, when it's expected to pass fairly easily. Then it'll be submitted to the floor of the House.

Over the last few days, the government seemed to gain some ground against the impeachment as offers to undecided voters got more and more aggressive. Those last 24 hours were largely unfavorable to it, though. The report presented yesterday was very tough on the government, even more than expected. Plus, today it was learned that executives from a large constructor called AG told and proved to the feds that their large donations to Dilma's campaign in 2014 were in fact generous bribes. IMO, it's now likely that the Superior Electoral Tribunal will vacate the results of the 2014 election due to this.

The new election depends on the new president of the Superior Electoral Tribunal, Gilmar Mendes, who has a quite clear alignment with the oposition and the PSDB. But as PSDB isn't the favourite in a election now (Marina Silva is), maybe it might take a time.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on April 08, 2016, 04:45:57 PM
The PMDB is planning to implement Washington Consensus policies in a Temer's administration. Probably, Armínio Fraga will be his Minister of Finance. He would be Aécio Neves' minister.
I don't think a non-elected government has legitimacy to implement these radical changes. It would be not wrong to say that this political change would look like a coup d'estat.
A government which comes to the power after a new election would have more legitimacy. If the people want Washington Consensus policies, the people will vote for a candidate that supports these policies. But, maybe, the supporters of the Washington Consensus, who are endorsing the impeachment, fear that Ciro Gomes could win a direct election. That's why they are rejecting the new election.
A constitutional amendment which establishes the recall (like the one who elected Schwarznegger in California) would be a much more democratic solution for the Brazilian political crisis than the impeachment.

Besides, even the supporters of the impeachment consider that the violation of the budget law is a weak legal argument. But they consider that the Petrobras scandal is a strong moral argument. According to they, after the scandal, PT could not hold the Palácio do Planalto anymore. But if this logic is true, Temer's PMDB and PP could not hold the Palácio do Planalto too.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on April 11, 2016, 02:44:51 PM
Today it has "leaked" an audio of a Whatsapp group that is just the speech of VP Temer talking as if the impeachment already had happened.

http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/poder/2016/04/1759725-temer-divulga-audio-em-que-fala-como-se-impeachment-estivesse-aprovado.shtml

What a week to be brazilian.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 11, 2016, 08:00:37 PM
The pro-impeachment report has easily passed the commission by a 38-27 margin. Now it'll be submitted to the floor of the House, where it'll be discussed on Friday and Saturday and voted Sunday.

Estadão has been keeping track of all Congressmen and Congresswomen, trying to predict what will happen on Sunday. According to them, there are 299 declared votes for the impeachment, 123 declared votes against the impeachment and 91 votes that are either undecided or still undeclared. 342 votes are necessary to allow the Senate to open proceedings against Dilma.

http://infograficos.estadao.com.br/politica/placar-do-impeachment/


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 12, 2016, 11:52:40 AM
PP's Congressmen will announce they're leaving the government base today. PP has nearly 50 Congressmen, less than 10 of them will vote against the impeachment.

Dilma's support in Congress is quickly crumbling. Despair has already settled in within the government. Today Dilma made a speech where she called Temer a "conspirator". If the impeachment side doesn't commit unforced errors until Sunday, I believe there will be 342 votes against Dilma on the House.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 12, 2016, 12:16:33 PM
Hopefully this whole affair can come to ahead and be done with before the Olympics start.  The worst would be for impeachment to fair through various Shanaganes  and this entire affair continue to drag out into the summer.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Vega on April 12, 2016, 03:56:26 PM
Hopefully this whole affair can come to ahead and be done with before the Olympics start.  The worst would be for impeachment to fair through various Shanaganes  and this entire affair continue to drag out into the summer.

Yeah, whenever I bring up the games to people, they always seem to respond with the notion that Brazil is on the verge of civil war.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 12, 2016, 05:59:41 PM
PP's Congressmen will announce they're leaving the government base today. PP has nearly 50 Congressmen, less than 10 of them will vote against the impeachment.

Dilma's support in Congress is quickly crumbling. Despair has already settled in within the government. Today Dilma made a speech where she called Temer a "conspirator". If the impeachment side doesn't commit unforced errors until Sunday, I believe there will be 342 votes against Dilma on the House.

In the end, PP's breakup was even worse than expected for the government. The whole party decided to leave the government and to position itself in favor of the impeachment. Now, Dilma's fate will most likely be decided by around 50 Congressmen from 2 parties: PR and PSD.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 13, 2016, 01:46:18 PM
PSD will announce they're breaking away from the government today at 7 PM BRT. With PSD out, 342 votes for the impeachment on the House are pretty a lock.

Also, Dilma had an interview today where she said she'll be "done" if the impeachment passes the House. Maybe she's already considering resignation if impeachment proceedings against her are started by the Senate.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 14, 2016, 01:13:31 PM
Total despair on the government side: realizing the impeachment already has 342 votes, they're now flooding the Supreme Court with lawsuits trying to nullify the pro-impeachment report or at least delay the vote which will happen on Sunday. They're also trying to change the rules of the vote, so that Congressmen vote through the electronic system, not through microfones.

Also, the government has produced a fake list with 186 Congressmen they claim to be against the impeachment. The problem is, there are many of them who have long declared they're voting in favor of the impeachment. So, this will also backfire.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 14, 2016, 05:48:01 PM
(Bloomberg) -- Number of lawmakers who would vote for the impeachment of President Dilma Rousseff rises to 340, according to O Estado de S.Paulo survey.
127 lawmakers would vote against impeachment
29 declined to answer how they’d vote, while 17 said they are undecided
NOTE: O Estado de S.Paulo is surveying all 513 lawmakers from Brazil lower house, updating their positions continuously
342 votes needed to approve impeachment in lower house


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 14, 2016, 06:55:39 PM
(Bloomberg) -- Number of lawmakers who would vote for the impeachment of President Dilma Rousseff rises to 340, according to O Estado de S.Paulo survey.
127 lawmakers would vote against impeachment
29 declined to answer how they’d vote, while 17 said they are undecided
NOTE: O Estado de S.Paulo is surveying all 513 lawmakers from Brazil lower house, updating their positions continuously
342 votes needed to approve impeachment in lower house

According to O Globo, there are already 342 Congressmen who will vote to impeach Dilma. Estado de São Paulo gives the impeachment at least 340 votes, Veja counts at least 338 votes. Folha de Sâo Paulo scores at least 337 votes. Plus, all sources already count at least 41 votes against Dilma on the Senate, which would be enough to start the process on the Senate and automatically suspend Dilma from office for up to 180 days.

http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/especial/2015/brasil-em-crise/votacao-impeachment/camara/
http://infograficos.estadao.com.br/politica/placar-do-impeachment/
http://infograficos.oglobo.globo.com/brasil/o-placar-do-impeachment.html
http://veja.abril.com.br/complemento/brasil/o-voto-de-cada-deputado-no-impeachment/


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 14, 2016, 10:51:55 PM
April 15 (AFP) -- Brazil Supreme Court majority rejects move to stop impeachment


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on April 15, 2016, 10:05:30 AM
We have our Wall ()

The left/north side is for the the people pro government and the right/south is for the anti-government.



Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on April 16, 2016, 11:14:56 AM
And the government is reversing some votes. Temer went to São Paulo yesterday and would be there until tomorrow to watch the votation there, today morning he came back to Brasília to negotiate more.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 16, 2016, 03:25:00 PM
With all this talk of curruption on both sides it is ironic the situition of vote being this close opens up more chances of bribiary and vote buying.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 16, 2016, 03:28:22 PM
Bloomberg) -- Number of lawmakers who would vote for impeachment fell to 340 from 342 earlier, according to Folha de S.Paulo survey.
Lower house deputy chief Waldir Maranhao announced he would change his vote and be against impeachment
Lawmaker Clarissa Garotinho requested maternity leave and won’t vote
Link to story
Number of pro-impeachment votes also fell in Estado survey, to 344, and in O Globo, to 342


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 16, 2016, 06:20:32 PM
Bloomberg) -- Number of lawmakers who would vote for impeachment fell to 340 from 342 earlier, according to Folha de S.Paulo survey.
Lower house deputy chief Waldir Maranhao announced he would change his vote and be against impeachment
Lawmaker Clarissa Garotinho requested maternity leave and won’t vote
Link to story
Number of pro-impeachment votes also fell in Estado survey, to 344, and in O Globo, to 342

The opposition has recovered the ground it lost yesterday today and most newsources count at least 347 votes for the opposition. Most opposition leaders claim they have at least 360 votes. I'd say it's likely that the impeachment will pass the House, but no done deal until the 342nd vote is cast. No one will sleep in Brasília tonight.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on April 16, 2016, 11:22:58 PM
Bloomberg) -- Number of lawmakers who would vote for impeachment fell to 340 from 342 earlier, according to Folha de S.Paulo survey.
Lower house deputy chief Waldir Maranhao announced he would change his vote and be against impeachment
Lawmaker Clarissa Garotinho requested maternity leave and won’t vote
Link to story
Number of pro-impeachment votes also fell in Estado survey, to 344, and in O Globo, to 342

The opposition has recovered the ground it lost yesterday today and most newsources count at least 347 votes for the opposition. Most opposition leaders claim they have at least 360 votes. I'd say it's likely that the impeachment will pass the House, but no done deal until the 342nd vote is cast. No one will sleep in Brasília tonight.

Well, I will :lol:

The government says they have at least 181. And there is a movement "Neither Dilma neither Cunha" that will not vote as a protest. But no one knows what will really happen.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 09:44:18 AM
Latest tallies from Folha, Estado and Globo show between 347 and 350 votes for impeachment, above the 342 needed.  Somehow I still do not believe it they will go over 342.  I still think the regime still must have a bunch of rabbits to pull out of the hat given the resources it has available to it by default of being the ruling regime.  Still plenty of time for bags of cash and last minute illnesses.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 17, 2016, 12:32:43 PM
The session has started. The floor is crowded, so far I don't think abstentions will be a problem.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 12:39:39 PM
In theory this session ends at 9am or something. Any idea if they will vote now or near the end?  Also is the vote a secret ballot or not?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 17, 2016, 12:49:26 PM
In theory this session ends at 9am or something. Any idea if they will vote now or near the end?  Also is the vote a secret ballot or not?

Voting is expected to start around 4 PM BRT. The vote is open, on the microphone.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 17, 2016, 02:31:59 PM
498 Congressmen in session. Only 15 absent, 5 of them already in Congress. There's still time for some more to arrive. Only 4 Congressmen confirmed they won't show up.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 02:42:25 PM
Any link to a live stream of the debate and eventual vote count?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 17, 2016, 03:00:07 PM
Any link to a live stream of the debate and eventual vote count?

http://g1.globo.com/politica/processo-de-impeachment-de-dilma/cobertura-ao-vivo.html


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Crumpets on April 17, 2016, 03:11:18 PM
So they haven't actually voted yet? It looks like they're still debating.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 17, 2016, 03:20:50 PM
So they haven't actually voted yet? It looks like they're still debating.

The last party leader is concluding his speech. The vote is is about to start.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 03:26:29 PM
Any surprises from the party leaders speeches? I assume all the party leader speeches just reinforces the position of said party on this topic. 


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 03:44:52 PM
Looks like they are about to start voting.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Crumpets on April 17, 2016, 03:52:24 PM
Wow. This is going to take forever.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 03:52:42 PM
504 Congressmen present for vote.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 03:53:18 PM

Yeah.  They should really use some sort of electronic device.  Do all of them need to give a speech as they vote ?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 04:01:27 PM
12-3 for Yes so far.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Crumpets on April 17, 2016, 04:02:05 PM
Current numbers:

Yes - 24 (77.4%)
No - 7 (22.6%)
Absent - 0 (0%)


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Crumpets on April 17, 2016, 04:06:00 PM
29-9-1


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 04:11:53 PM
37-10-1


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 04:12:25 PM
The goal for Yes is to get to 342 out of 504 present or 67.9%


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 04:13:53 PM
Why is Globo not tracking the vote relative to what the Members of Congress that has voted so far has stated his/her voting intention were?  That seems much more important than the current count.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Crumpets on April 17, 2016, 04:16:24 PM
Yes - 46 (78.0%)
No - 12 (20.3%)
Abstain - 1 (1.7%)


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Crumpets on April 17, 2016, 04:29:00 PM
I love how they all wear their regional flags around their neck when they're casting their votes.

59-22-3


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Crumpets on April 17, 2016, 04:37:39 PM
After 100 votes: 73-24-3


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 04:42:49 PM
So far not looking that good for Dilma


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 04:48:22 PM
88-28-3


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 04:55:30 PM
One possible good news for Dilma is that the sequence of voting has under-counted PT relative to PMDB and PSDB.  So there are relatively more PT members vote to come.   Problem is she is falling very far behind the count and these PT votes to come most likely will not be enough.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 04:56:06 PM
99-28-3


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 05:01:01 PM
108-28-3


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 05:04:05 PM
Dilma is not getting the defections from PMDB, PSD, and PP at the rate she needs to survive in my view.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 05:05:02 PM
What is the position of the PDT on this vote? They seem to be split down the middle on this.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 05:10:11 PM
121-29-3


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 05:15:21 PM
Dilma's goal is to get to 163 No/Abstain.  PT (I think) 70 members.  This means she has to get 93 non-PT members. 

So far it is 126-30-3 with 17 PT Nos.  This means so far there are 16 non-PT No/Abstains.  But 31.5% of members of Congress voted already so she is way under the run rate to get to 93 non-PT No/Abstains.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 05:22:30 PM
136-35-3.

20 PT No's so 18 non-PT No/Abstains.    34.5% members voted.  Goal is 93 non-PT No/Abstains.  Run rate which is 19.4% of target well below the target of 34.5%


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 17, 2016, 05:25:26 PM
What is the position of the PDT on this vote? They seem to be split down the middle on this.

Yes they are split. PDT is officially against the impeachment and threatened to expel from the party those who vote in favor of the impeachment. The fact that there are so many defections on PDT so far shows how the situation of the government worsened over the last 36 hours.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 17, 2016, 05:33:37 PM
Ricardo Noblat projects 380 votes for the impeachment right now.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 05:49:32 PM
171-44-3.  Only 22 non-PT No/abstains


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 17, 2016, 05:52:15 PM
You could not make this kind of drama up. It's picture-perfect grandstanding. Just watching this, I'm wondering if it's all a rating-boosting conspiracy by the television networks/

Fmr Sao Paulo Mayor Erundina just voted no, and Major Olimpia (SD-SP) had a hilarious shouting speech:

174-45-3



Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Dereich on April 17, 2016, 05:54:52 PM
You could not make this kind of drama up. It's picture-perfect grandstanding. Just watching this, I'm wondering if it's all a rating-boosting conspiracy by the television networks/

Fmr Sao Paulo Mayor Erundina just voted no, and Major Olimpia (SD-SP) had a hilarious shouting speech:

174-45-3



Yeah, some of these congressmen are REALLY getting into their little 30 second speeches, aren't they? There have been quite a few just SCREAMING into the microphone.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 17, 2016, 05:58:43 PM
Maluf: Si! (oh, the hypocrisy!)


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 17, 2016, 06:07:16 PM
As of Tiririca (the illiterate clown), who voted Sim:

197-48-3


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 06:13:58 PM
200-51-3.  31 PR nos so that is 23 non-PT no/abstains when 93 are needed.  With half the vote counted at this rate Dilma will fall around 45 votes short which is around 387 yes


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 17, 2016, 06:21:54 PM
Congressman José Reinaldo (PSB/MA) just betrayed the government. About 8 betrayals against the government so far.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 06:27:08 PM
211-59-3 with 32 PT votes.  That is 30 non-PT No/Abstain votes with the target of 93.  With 273 votes counted the run rate is 56 non-PT Non/Abstain votes.  This means Yes is on target to be 379.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 17, 2016, 06:33:02 PM
According to most projections now, the 342nd vote will come from Pernambuco. If not Pernambuco, Bahia.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 06:38:51 PM
219-70-4


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 06:39:52 PM
Now that the Congress vote has gone against Dilma I assume that there is a simple and clear majority for impeachment in the Senate ?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 17, 2016, 06:40:47 PM
In what order are they voting, anyway?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 06:41:58 PM
In what order are they voting, anyway?

It seems by state.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 17, 2016, 06:43:09 PM
244-72-4 as of Benedita da Silva (first black/woman governor of Rio de Janeiro state)


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 17, 2016, 06:43:31 PM
Now that the Congress vote has gone against Dilma I assume that there is a simple and clear majority for impeachment in the Senate ?

There are definitely more than 41 votes (about 45-50 IMO), enough to open impeachment proceedings and suspend Dilma for 180 days. After the impeachment process, if Temer gets it right in his provisional government, I'm sure there will be 54 votes to impeach Dilma for good.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 17, 2016, 06:44:09 PM

By state, from the northernmost state to the southernmost state and back.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 17, 2016, 06:45:14 PM

Well that explains why they all seemed to be from Sao Paulo? Now they all seem to be from Rio state. But in what order are the states? It certainly isn't alphabetical. Perhaps seniority-- whatever their equivalent to admission to the Union is?

Edit: I see, Paleobrazilian. So I guess Amapa went first?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 06:46:07 PM
I like how for every speech there is someone else recording the speech with their smartphone.   I assume to be used for the said Member of Congress re-election campaign.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 06:48:32 PM
Is the a limit on how long these speeches can last?  If not I think PT should start thinking of a filibuster based strategy to drag this out, perhaps forever.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 17, 2016, 06:49:18 PM

Well that explains why they all seemed to be from Sao Paulo? Now they all seem to be from Rio state. But in what order are the states? It certainly isn't alphabetical. Perhaps seniority-- whatever their equivalent to admission to the Union is?

Edit: I see, Paleobrazilian. So I guess Amapa went first?

Roraima went first. IIRC Roraima is the only state in Brazil mostly above the Equator line.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 06:50:36 PM
229-75-4-1  (The 1 is absent which does not count toward the 504 present to vote)


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 17, 2016, 06:51:22 PM
I like how for every speech there is someone else recording the speech with their smartphone.   I assume to be used for the said Member of Congress re-election campaign.

Well, yes. Plus, many Congressmen will be running for Mayor later this year.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 17, 2016, 06:58:22 PM
Is the a limit on how long these speeches can last?  If not I think PT should start thinking of a filibuster based strategy to drag this out, perhaps forever.

I think there is a 30-second limit. There definitely was a bell ringing after some of them spoke for a long time.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 17, 2016, 07:00:10 PM

Well that explains why they all seemed to be from Sao Paulo? Now they all seem to be from Rio state. But in what order are the states? It certainly isn't alphabetical. Perhaps seniority-- whatever their equivalent to admission to the Union is?

Edit: I see, Paleobrazilian. So I guess Amapa went first?

Roraima went first. IIRC Roraima is the only state in Brazil mostly above the Equator line.

Yes, I forgot about them. They are slightly more northern.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 07:01:21 PM
Where the parties stand are clearly on a Left-Right Axis.  All Center-Right pro-government bloc parities defected to vote Yes with the center-Right opposition while non-government but Leftist parties are voting No.  In that sense Dilma's strategy is making this vote about protecting the various transfer payment schemes is working.  It is there are not enough Leftist members of Congress to make her defense viable.  


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 17, 2016, 07:04:10 PM
With Marco Antonio Cabral (any relation to Sergio?), 100 votes away.

EDIT: He's his son and he's 24. (!)


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 07:09:15 PM
247-80-4-1


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 17, 2016, 07:12:15 PM
250-80-4


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 07:13:23 PM
Brazil ETFs trading Asia are up 2.2%.  This is on a day that due to the failure of OPEC oil talks are dragging down the equity markets across the board for fear that lower oil prices will hit energy companies and then in turn banks.  


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on April 17, 2016, 07:14:37 PM

Impeachment needs only 92 out of 170 left.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on April 17, 2016, 07:19:22 PM
255-82-4

Impeachment needs only 87 of 163 left, not much more than a majority.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 07:27:52 PM
264-85-4-2


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on April 17, 2016, 07:35:42 PM
271-88-4
Impeachment needs only a simple majority, 71 of the 141 left.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 07:42:39 PM
276-92-4-2


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 17, 2016, 07:56:25 PM
50 to go for the impeachment.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Vega on April 17, 2016, 08:10:19 PM
About 40 to go till impeachment, not sure how the No votes can pull it out.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 08:11:41 PM
303-100-4-2


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 17, 2016, 08:17:27 PM
"Majority" Leader José Guimarães (PT/CE) has just admitted defeat.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 08:18:16 PM
(Bloomberg) --
A government leader said Brazil’s opposition won the vote in the lower house of Congress to impeach President Dilma Rousseff.

Congressman Jose Guimaraes, Rousseff’s leader in the lower house, said the government still has a chance to win when the motion moves to the Senate. He said that the "coup mongers" were stronger, but that there will be a fight in the justice system.

The impeachment vote in the lower house is ongoing.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 08:23:18 PM
313-104-5-2


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 17, 2016, 08:29:28 PM
According to my estimation the 342nd vote will come from Pernambuco. Could be either Bruno Araujo or Daniel Coelho - both rising stars from PSDB.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 17, 2016, 08:33:46 PM
Well, RIP Dilma.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 08:45:40 PM
326-120-6-2

Its getting close to 342


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 17, 2016, 08:55:19 PM
Only 10 to go. Great that Pernambuco will give the 342nd vote. FF state.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 17, 2016, 08:56:41 PM
10 votes!


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 17, 2016, 08:57:03 PM
9!


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 17, 2016, 08:59:10 PM
8!


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 17, 2016, 08:59:15 PM
7!


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 17, 2016, 09:00:29 PM
6!


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 17, 2016, 09:01:47 PM
It's feels like New Years! (5!)


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 09:01:52 PM
336-126-6-2


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 17, 2016, 09:03:07 PM
Did I just hear "puta de impeachment" from the gravelly guy from PTB?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 17, 2016, 09:03:29 PM
4!


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 17, 2016, 09:04:28 PM
3!!!


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 09:04:34 PM
339-127-6-2

3 left


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 17, 2016, 09:04:38 PM
FF Congressman Bruno Araujo (PSDB/PE) will be the 342nd vote! :)


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Vega on April 17, 2016, 09:04:43 PM
I weirdly can't find Walter Ihoshi, a Deputy, in the line up of how they voted...


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 17, 2016, 09:05:03 PM
2!!!!


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 17, 2016, 09:06:09 PM
1!!!!!


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 17, 2016, 09:08:03 PM
IMPEACHED

IMPEACHED IMPEACHED IMPEACHED IMPEACHED IMPEACHED IMPEACHED IMPEACHED IMPEACHED IMPEACHED IMPEACHED

(Feels like they won a football game!)


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 09:08:42 PM
IMPEACHED

IMPEACHED IMPEACHED IMPEACHED IMPEACHED IMPEACHED IMPEACHED IMPEACHED IMPEACHED IMPEACHED IMPEACHED

(Feels like they won a football game!)

Well, in theory she is not impeached.  We need the Senate to also vote for impeachment.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 09:09:09 PM
342 !! - 127-6-2


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 17, 2016, 09:10:29 PM
IMPEACHED

IMPEACHED IMPEACHED IMPEACHED IMPEACHED IMPEACHED IMPEACHED IMPEACHED IMPEACHED IMPEACHED IMPEACHED

(Feels like they won a football game!)

Well, in theory she is not impeached.  We need the Senate to also vote for impeachment.

Yes, there's still a lot of game to be played.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 17, 2016, 09:11:44 PM
Okay, let's just pretend this is American style-- when the lower house votes against you, you're impeached. :P


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 09:13:29 PM
I read on the news wires that fireworks are going off in many parts of Brasilia


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 09:14:57 PM
345-127-6-2

Given the fact that PT still has 12 more members of Congress to go.  Dilma will most likely be defeated with about 14 votes to spare. 


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 09:15:49 PM
So it will be acting President Temer that will be kicking off the 2016 Olympics it seems.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Vega on April 17, 2016, 09:17:29 PM
So it will be acting President Temer that will be kicking off the 2016 Olympics it seems.

We still have the Senate.

Also, when will the new elections be?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 09:17:33 PM
Wait, it seems PT only has 60 members in the Congress now.  I recall they won 70 seats in the 2014 elections.  What happen to the other 10?  Did they defect to another party?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 09:18:20 PM
351-127-6-2


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on April 17, 2016, 09:20:24 PM
Wait, it seems PT only has 60 members in the Congress now.  I recall they won 70 seats in the 2014 elections.  What happen to the other 10?  Did they defect to another party?

Yes, last month there were a partidary window to change.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 09:21:11 PM
I wonder between now and the Senate also voting for impeachment if Dilma will issue all sorts of orders and place key allies in critical office to "booby trap" the presidency for Temer.  


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on April 17, 2016, 09:23:06 PM
So it will be acting President Temer that will be kicking off the 2016 Olympics it seems.

We still have the Senate.

Also, when will the new elections be?

The next general is in 2018. But PT already says that will start asking for new elections, that can happens together with the municipals elections in october.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 09:30:09 PM
356-132-7-2


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 17, 2016, 09:35:49 PM
I wonder between now and the Senate also voting for impeachment if Dilma will issue all sorts of orders and place key allies in critical office to "booby trap" the presidency for Temer.  

That's widely expected.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 17, 2016, 09:35:57 PM
Maybe the PT will turn around and stab Acting President Temer in the back and vote to impeach him.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 09:37:41 PM
362-134-7-2


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 09:38:38 PM
When voting started in theory only 504 out of 513 Members of Congress were present.  Looking at the numbers so far a bunch of those 9 must have showed up since we only have 2 absences.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 17, 2016, 09:39:42 PM
Wait, it seems PT only has 60 members in the Congress now.  I recall they won 70 seats in the 2014 elections.  What happen to the other 10?  Did they defect to another party?

Yes. PT has lost about 10 Congressmen and hundreds of Mayors around the country over the last months.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 17, 2016, 09:41:09 PM
When voting started in theory only 504 out of 513 Members of Congress were present.  Looking at the numbers so far a bunch of those 9 must have showed up since we only have 2 absences.

Many who didn't register their presence earlier were PT Congressmen who were trying to pretend the turnout was lower than it trully was.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 17, 2016, 09:42:09 PM
Okay, let's just pretend this is American style-- when the lower house votes against you, you're impeached. :P

President Benjamin Wade would beg to differ. :P


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 09:43:54 PM
365-135-7-2   Almost done


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Vega on April 17, 2016, 09:46:22 PM
I really do wonder where Deputy Walter Ihoshi went, he's not on the list of any of the websites, yet I know he is still in office.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on April 17, 2016, 09:46:40 PM
Maybe the PT will turn around and stab Acting President Temer in the back and vote to impeach him.
They are already asking it since last week


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 17, 2016, 09:48:46 PM
367-137-7-2 is the final tally. The opposition had guessed they'd have 366 votes yesterday, so they knew perfectly the support they had.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 17, 2016, 09:49:12 PM
All done

367-137-7-2

So impeachment had 25 votes to spare


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: ag on April 17, 2016, 10:13:53 PM
Not good.

I think Dilma is horribly incompetent and should not have been elected. But incompetence should not be grounds for impeachment. This is going to hurt Brazilian presidency long term.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Vega on April 17, 2016, 10:41:37 PM
Not good.

I think Dilma is horribly incompetent and should not have been elected. But incompetence should not be grounds for impeachment. This is going to hurt Brazilian presidency long term.

2/3rds majority makes it hard for Impeachment to be completely baseless. I don't think that this will become a trend if there isn't cause for it.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 17, 2016, 11:18:56 PM
Cunha will formally communicate the Senate of tonight's decision tomorrow. Then Senate President Renan Calheiros (PMDB/AL) will start proceedings on the Senate, ordering the formation of a special commission. Some are afraid that Calheiros, who dislikes Temer, will try to delay this order for a few days. No matter what, it's pretty much a lock that the President of the commission will be Sen. Antonio Anastasia (PSDB/MG) and the rapporteur will be Sen. Ana Amelia Lemos (PP/RS). Both are solidly on the impeachment side so the works of the commission should be quick.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 17, 2016, 11:37:41 PM
Senate counts so far:

Folha: 47 x 19, 15 undeclared/undecided
Estadão: 44 x 21, 16 undeclared/undecided
O Globo: 46 x 20, 15 undeclared/undecided
Veja: 45 x 19, 17 undeclared/undecided

Under all accounts, it's highly likely that the process will be opened by the Senate, suspending Dilma for up to 180 days.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on April 18, 2016, 09:11:32 AM
This is going to hurt Brazilian presidency long term.

Damaging an already unhealthy set of democratic institutions in order to further personal political ambitions rarely works out well, yes...


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on April 18, 2016, 09:13:36 AM
2/3rds majority makes it hard for Impeachment to be completely baseless. I don't think that this will become a trend if there isn't cause for it.

All Brazilian politicians are corrupt - Dilma's VP and likely successor is by any standard clearly worse on this score than she is - which means that 'cause' can always be found. This kind of behavior can become addictive and cause serious damage to institutions.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Seneca on April 18, 2016, 10:18:05 AM
Maybe the PT will turn around and stab Acting President Temer in the back and vote to impeach him.
They are already asking it since last week

But they wouldn't have the 2/3rds majority required to pull that off, right?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 18, 2016, 11:11:29 AM
Maybe the PT will turn around and stab Acting President Temer in the back and vote to impeach him.
They are already asking it since last week

But they wouldn't have the 2/3rds majority required to pull that off, right?

Highly unlikely unless a smoking gun comes up.

BTW, I've heard some rumblings that the Senate will open its process against Dilma early next month. Temer travelled to São Paulo today, where he'll have meetings, probably to discuss what his cabinet will look like. His plan is to reduce the number of Ministries to around 20 (right now there are nearly 40 ministries in Brazil), but to avoid losing support from all the parties that helped him yesterday, he'd probably give them many 2nd and 3rd tier posts.

Here's what a Temer cabinet may look like if some rumors are to be believed (plus, a few guesses of mine):

Chief of Staff: Eliseu Padilha (PMDB/RS)
Government Secretary: Moreira Franco (PMDB/SP)
Finances: Henrique Meirelles (PSD/SP)
Central Bank: Ilan Goldfajn (Ind/RJ)
Planning/Budget: José Serra (PSDB/SP)
Foreign Affairs: Sergio Silva do Amaral (Ind/SP)
Defense: Nelson Jobim (PMDB/RS)
Development, Industries and Foreign Commerce: Paulo Skaf (PMDB/SP)
Justice: Carlos Ayres Britto (Ind/SE)
Education: Ricardo Paes de Barros (Ind/SP)
Health: David Uip (Ind/SP)
Labor and Pensions: Paulo "Paulinho" Pereira (SD/SP)
National Integration: Geddel Vieira Lima (PMDB/BA)
Agriculture: Ronaldo Caiado (DEM/GO)

Those are the ones I'm willing to predict right now. It's probable that PSB, PP, PTB and PR will get at least one Ministry or at least a relevant 2nd tier job. I could see PR going with Transportation (a Ministry they have ruled since God knows when) and at least one of them with Communications. Perhaps Temer will split Labor and Pensions once again (those were separate Ministries until last year).



Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on April 18, 2016, 12:25:08 PM

Here's what a Temer cabinet may look like if some rumors are to be believed (plus, a few guesses of mine):

Chief of Staff: Eliseu Padilha (PMDB/RS)
Government Secretary: Moreira Franco (PMDB/SP)
Finances: Henrique Meirelles (PSD/SP)
Central Bank: Ilan Goldfajn (Ind/RJ)
Planning/Budget: José Serra (PSDB/SP)
Foreign Affairs: Sergio Silva do Amaral (Ind/SP)
Defense: Nelson Jobim (PMDB/RS)
Development, Industries and Foreign Commerce: Paulo Skaf (PMDB/SP)
Justice: Carlos Ayres Britto (Ind/SE)
Education: Ricardo Paes de Barros (Ind/SP)
Health: David Uip (Ind/SP)
Labor and Pensions: Paulo "Paulinho" Pereira (SD/SP)
National Integration: Geddel Vieira Lima (PMDB/BA)
Agriculture: Ronaldo Caiado (DEM/GO)




It would work well for the Republic of São Paulo :lol: . But for the congress it won't last 2 weeks


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 18, 2016, 02:18:40 PM
There is talk from PT sources that they will push for a Prez election versus having Temer installed.  It seems to me this is a foolish move.  With  Temer installed PT will always have the talking point of a puppet President without a real mandate.  In another election I am not even sure PT can make it into the second round (unless they run Lula) and certainly will not win the election.  Without Lula running it can see the PT candidate coming in third behind say someone like Neves and Silva.  So after such an election PT will be out of power across the board AND lose the talking point of "illegitimate president."  It could be that at the grassroots PT is falling a part and an election campaign is needed to at least keep PT united even if the election itself is beyond lost.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 18, 2016, 05:54:04 PM
According to sources the Senate will decide on May 11th if it'll open the impeachment process against Dilma.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on April 18, 2016, 05:56:19 PM
According to sources the Senate will decide on May 11th if it'll open the impeachment process against Dilma.
That's a long wait. Thank God I'm not a Brazillian who hates Dilma-I'd be going nuts for a month.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Vega on April 18, 2016, 06:38:05 PM
According to sources the Senate will decide on May 11th if it'll open the impeachment process against Dilma.
That's a long wait. Thank God I'm not a Brazillian who hates Dilma-I'd be going nuts for a month.

Yeah, and apparently that is considered "early".


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on April 18, 2016, 09:10:23 PM
According to sources the Senate will decide on May 11th if it'll open the impeachment process against Dilma.
That's a long wait. Thank God I'm not a Brazillian who hates Dilma-I'd be going nuts for a month.

Yeah, and apparently that is considered "early".
Renan (senate president) said today that the process will finish only in September (the 6 month deadline until Dilma can come back). Yes, it is a possibility that Dilma return to presidency, a weak, but it's a possibility because in 6 month everything can happen, even nothing.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 19, 2016, 05:46:24 AM
Rousseff’s Allied Party PDT to Oust Pro-Impeachment Members says media outlet EBC


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Famous Mortimer on April 19, 2016, 06:10:07 AM
Wow, I'm surprised she still has any allied parties. Except maybe the Communists.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on April 19, 2016, 09:29:59 AM
Wow, I'm surprised she still has any allied parties. Except maybe the Communists.
It's Ciro Gomes.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 19, 2016, 12:46:38 PM
The impeachment request will be read on the Senate today. Then, party leaders will start appointing names to the special commission that will be formed there. However, since there's a national holiday on Thursday, the works of the commission should only start next Tuesday.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 19, 2016, 03:47:27 PM
According to Epoca, Brazil's Attorney General will present criminal charges against Lula in a few days. A criminal investigation against Dilma on accounts of obstruction of justice are also extremely likely.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on April 19, 2016, 06:45:15 PM
Pro-Dilma coalition is basically PT. PC do B, PDT and some parts of PR (Valdemar da Costa Neto). And NE governors helped a lot in getting some anti-impeachment votes. Maranhao governor Flavio Dino (PC do B) worked a lot to get pro-Dilma votes, while Roseana Sarney that got all suport from Lula worked against Dilma because she's in very difficult situation.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Vega on April 19, 2016, 09:41:05 PM
Pro-Dilma coalition is basically PT. PC do B, PDT and some parts of PR (Valdemar da Costa Neto). And NE governors helped a lot in getting some anti-impeachment votes. Maranhao governor Flavio Dino (PC do B) worked a lot to get pro-Dilma votes, while Roseana Sarney that got all suport from Lula worked against Dilma because she's in very difficult situation.

Yikes. That is an extremely weak coalition.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on April 19, 2016, 10:45:04 PM
My text about the weakening of the democratic institutions in Brazil

http://www.trincheiras.com.br/2016/03/o-retrocesso-a-uma-democracia-racionada/

In Portuguese


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 20, 2016, 06:52:44 AM
1 - The impeachment commission will start its works on Monday, not on Tuesday. There's general consensus that the country cannot wait much longer for a solution to the political crisis.

2 - Dilma will travel to NYC tomorrow to sign the Paris Treaty. Thus, for the rest of the week, Temer will be the acting president :lol: Dilma avoided official travels for the last month for this reason. This time, she decided to go so that she can tell all the international media how she's the victim of a "coup".


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 20, 2016, 12:47:50 PM
Two PMDB Ministers just resigned from office as the party coalesces around Temer. Meanwhile, Temer is still in São Paulo, with hundreds of meetings, trying to prepare what may soon be his Cabinet. Yesterday he met São Paulo's State Secretary of Public Security, Alexandre de Morais (PSDB/SP). It's speculated that Temer offered him the position of Solicitor General.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: 🦀🎂🦀🎂 on April 20, 2016, 01:57:20 PM
So what about the movement to declare the election of Dilma-Temer illegitimate and immediate reelections? Is that still going to happen?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on April 20, 2016, 05:29:13 PM
So what about the movement to declare the election of Dilma-Temer illegitimate and immediate reelections? Is that still going to happen?
Today the Electoral Superior Tribunal authorized the Federal Police to get crime proofs of the campaign.

Well, it depends on Gilmar Mendes, actual president of the tribunal. So, without other pressures like protests or the media, it depends on what PSDB or Serra wants (because they are very best friends).


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 20, 2016, 11:43:35 PM
Do you think Serra might try to run again? He and Geraldo are well past their expiration dates, even if they are both pretty good, but they clearly both want the job.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on April 24, 2016, 11:29:32 AM
Brazilian economist Laura Carvalho explaining in her colum in New York Times why the Rousseff's impeachment was a coup d'stat

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2016/04/18/in-brazil-a-house-cleaning-or-a-coup/the-ousting-of-brazilian-president-dilma-rousseff-constitutes-a-coup



Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on April 24, 2016, 12:26:59 PM
Do you think Serra might try to run again? He and Geraldo are well past their expiration dates, even if they are both pretty good, but they clearly both want the job.
PSDB-SP is in civil war between Alckmin and Serra factions. Then Serra is supporting Temer believing that he can jump to PMDB to get presidential nomination. Alckmin is in fear of having a powerful PMDB to oppose him in São Paulo politics.
But a surprise can happen as Henrique Meirelles (PSD) is now the favourite to be Minister of Treasury. He met Temer along Romero Jucá (eternal Government Leader in Senate and acting President of PMDB) and former minister Gilberto Kassab (PSD). He asked full control of economic policy to accept.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Derpist on April 24, 2016, 12:41:04 PM
Is there any chance the wonderful Jair Bolsonaro makes it a second round?

I'm not actually sure that's even a desirable outcome (since I'd rather the top two contenders compete for his support).


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on April 24, 2016, 01:00:29 PM
Is there any chance the wonderful Jair Bolsonaro makes it a second round?

I'm not actually sure that's even a desirable outcome (since I'd rather the top two contenders compete for his support).
Brazil's party system imploded. Bolsonaro made an agreement with Pastor Everaldo, PSC's chairman that he'll be the candidate if he gets more than 10% in polls. He can get it, but I doubt that he gets in runoff, unless PSDB implodes in multiples candidates and left-wing gets competitive candidates. I think that his ceiling in 1st round is 20%.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: MaxQue on April 24, 2016, 01:47:39 PM
Is there any chance the wonderful Jair Bolsonaro makes it a second round?

You know what?
I hope that what happened to people opposing people praised by that person happens to you.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on April 24, 2016, 02:00:44 PM
Is there any chance the wonderful Jair Bolsonaro makes it a second round?

I'm not actually sure that's even a desirable outcome (since I'd rather the top two contenders compete for his support).
After last sunday, nobody would look for his support in the clear way. Even if he gets 10% or 15%, it's very complicated to PSDB explain support a man that supports torturers of the dictadure that they fought against.

And if he wins, it will be time to take guns because democracy exploded (and i'm talking serious).


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Zioneer on April 24, 2016, 02:11:58 PM
Is there any chance the wonderful Jair Bolsonaro makes it a second round?

I'm not actually sure that's even a desirable outcome (since I'd rather the top two contenders compete for his support).

You're supportive of a literal apologist for tyrants and torturers? The guy who dedicated his impeachment vote to the guy who was in charge of torturing the current president?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on April 24, 2016, 03:56:17 PM
Is there any chance the wonderful Jair Bolsonaro makes it a second round?

I'm not actually sure that's even a desirable outcome (since I'd rather the top two contenders compete for his support).

You're supportive of a literal apologist for tyrants and torturers? The guy who dedicated his impeachment vote to the guy who was in charge of torturing the current president?
Bolsonaro is so dumb that Ustra didn't torture Dilma.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Derpist on April 24, 2016, 06:51:50 PM
Is there any chance the wonderful Jair Bolsonaro makes it a second round?

I'm not actually sure that's even a desirable outcome (since I'd rather the top two contenders compete for his support).

You're supportive of a literal apologist for tyrants and torturers? The guy who dedicated his impeachment vote to the guy who was in charge of torturing the current president?

He seems bizarrely clean for a Brazilian politician and he stands up against both criminals and other PC stufff. I don't really care that much about his views on history; I've personally heard a lot of mixed stuff about the military period.

Elected officials have too much civility anyways.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 25, 2016, 12:00:02 AM
Do you think Serra might try to run again? He and Geraldo are well past their expiration dates, even if they are both pretty good, but they clearly both want the job.
PSDB-SP is in civil war between Alckmin and Serra factions. Then Serra is supporting Temer believing that he can jump to PMDB to get presidential nomination. Alckmin is in fear of having a powerful PMDB to oppose him in São Paulo politics.
But a surprise can happen as Henrique Meirelles (PSD) is now the favourite to be Minister of Treasury. He met Temer along Romero Jucá (eternal Government Leader in Senate and acting President of PMDB) and former minister Gilberto Kassab (PSD). He asked full control of economic policy to accept.

So Aecio's out, then? What about Aecio, anyway? Is he clean?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on April 25, 2016, 08:32:37 AM
Do you think Serra might try to run again? He and Geraldo are well past their expiration dates, even if they are both pretty good, but they clearly both want the job.
PSDB-SP is in civil war between Alckmin and Serra factions. Then Serra is supporting Temer believing that he can jump to PMDB to get presidential nomination. Alckmin is in fear of having a powerful PMDB to oppose him in São Paulo politics.
But a surprise can happen as Henrique Meirelles (PSD) is now the favourite to be Minister of Treasury. He met Temer along Romero Jucá (eternal Government Leader in Senate and acting President of PMDB) and former minister Gilberto Kassab (PSD). He asked full control of economic policy to accept.

So Aecio's out, then? What about Aecio, anyway? Is he clean?
He is in the Lista of Furnas, so his name is mentioned some times in Lava Jato. And Aécio's faction of PSDB is against Alckmin and Serra


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on April 25, 2016, 08:43:33 AM
Is there any chance the wonderful Jair Bolsonaro makes it a second round?

I'm not actually sure that's even a desirable outcome (since I'd rather the top two contenders compete for his support).

You're supportive of a literal apologist for tyrants and torturers? The guy who dedicated his impeachment vote to the guy who was in charge of torturing the current president?


He seems bizarrely clean for a Brazilian politician and he stands up against both criminals and other PC stufff. I don't really care that much about his views on history; I've personally heard a lot of mixed stuff about the military period.

Elected officials have too much civility anyways.
His brother was phantom employee of São Paulo's Assembly.

He was almost expelled from the army because he tried to put bombs in military towns.

He said that FHC deserved to be shot multiple times.

He dedicated his vote to the one known as the greatest torturer in the military dictatorship. We had a Truth National Commission, and Ulstra was one of the top guilties. I don't want to put pictures of his tortures, hope you understand.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 25, 2016, 11:24:57 AM
The Senate impeachment commission will start its works today. Raimundo Lira (PMDB/CE) will be elected its President and Antonio Anastasia (PSDB/MG) will be the rapporteur. The commission will be composed by 21 Senators, and at least 14 of them will be voting to impeach Dilma, ensuring that a pro-impeachment report to be voted by the floor of the Senate early next month.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 25, 2016, 11:34:54 AM
Folha reports that Rousseff Said Mulling New Elections Even If Impeachment fails. 

Estimates of Brazil’s Senators Backing Impeachment by media outlet seems to be
Estado  48 yes  20 no 3 undecided 9 declined answer
Globo    48 yes  21 no 12 undecided or declined to answer
Folha    50 yes  20 no  2 undecided 7 declined to answer

Funny that even a simple poll of 81 people would lead to different results.  One way or another there seems to be the majority for impeachment process to start but not the 54 needed to impeach. 


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on April 25, 2016, 01:18:18 PM
The idea of polling-- surveying, really-- the legislature strikes me as rather novel, at least from an American context.

Even if Dilma is considering new elections, there still isn't a mechanism under which they could be held, right?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on April 25, 2016, 05:30:50 PM
The idea of polling-- surveying, really-- the legislature strikes me as rather novel, at least from an American context.

Even if Dilma is considering new elections, there still isn't a mechanism under which they could be held, right?


If a PEC - Amendment to the constitution pass, it could happen. But it could be contested in supreme tribunal.

And there is a chance that both she and Temer would resign, but she has to combine with the russians (in this case, Temer and all the opposition).


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on April 25, 2016, 07:14:37 PM
The idea of polling-- surveying, really-- the legislature strikes me as rather novel, at least from an American context.

Even if Dilma is considering new elections, there still isn't a mechanism under which they could be held, right?


If a PEC - Amendment to the constitution pass, it could happen. But it could be contested in supreme tribunal.

And there is a chance that both she and Temer would resign, but she has to combine with the russians (in this case, Temer and all the opposition).
Brazilian law respects too much "vested right". Then if Temer doesn't accept new elections, he can go to Supreme Court to strike down it. But this is very unlikely, as this needs to be approved by 3/5 of National Congress, in 2 votes in each House.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on April 26, 2016, 05:49:24 AM
Globo senators survey:    49 yes 21 no 11 undecided or declined to answer
Estado senators survey:   50 yes 20 no 3 undecided 7 declined to answer 1 may be on temporary leave


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on April 26, 2016, 12:55:13 PM
The works of the impeachment commission have finally started. Sen. Anastasia will definitely produce a pro-impeachment report, which will easily pass the commission (a 15-6 or 16-5 vote is the most likely outcome). This vote will take place on May 6th. Then the report will be submitted to the floor of the Senate, where a simple majority will be required to formally trigger an impeachment process against Dilma, automatically suspending her from office for up to 180 days. This vote is expected to happen on May 12th, and it's believed that Temer would probably take oath on May 13th (but some want him to take oath on May 12th, even if an earlier vote on the floor becomes necessary, because they don't like the idea of Temer taking oath on a Friday the 13th*).

*curious trivia: there's a long living hoax here in Brazil that Michel Temer is a Satanist, something that would only be reinforced if he takes oath on a Friday the 13th. While this is (most likely) a false rumor solely based on the fact that Temer is a Freemason, this hoax is still seen on many places on the internet, and I'm sure Temer wouldn't want to reinforce it. :P


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on April 26, 2016, 11:46:17 PM
The works of the impeachment commission have finally started. Sen. Anastasia will definitely produce a pro-impeachment report, which will easily pass the commission (a 15-6 or 16-5 vote is the most likely outcome). This vote will take place on May 6th. Then the report will be submitted to the floor of the Senate, where a simple majority will be required to formally trigger an impeachment process against Dilma, automatically suspending her from office for up to 180 days. This vote is expected to happen on May 12th, and it's believed that Temer would probably take oath on May 13th (but some want him to take oath on May 12th, even if an earlier vote on the floor becomes necessary, because they don't like the idea of Temer taking oath on a Friday the 13th*).

*curious trivia: there's a long living hoax here in Brazil that Michel Temer is a Satanist, something that would only be reinforced if he takes oath on a Friday the 13th. While this is (most likely) a false rumor solely based on the fact that Temer is a Freemason, this hoax is still seen on many places on the internet, and I'm sure Temer wouldn't want to reinforce it. :P


Muahuahuhuahuauha
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Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on April 29, 2016, 08:19:14 PM
This week, the Legislative Assembly of the state of Alagoas approved an act which can punish teachers who support their political views in the classroom. Assemblies in other states are discussing this kind of act too. There is a proposal in the federal Chamber of Deputies too. They are influenced by far right lobbies which say that there is "marxist indoctrination" at schools. Religious fundamentalists support this kind of law. They want to ban pro-LGBT education. They say that "gender ideology" is evil.

Brazil is moving back to the Dark Age.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: MaxQue on April 29, 2016, 09:05:37 PM
Brazil is moving back to the Dark Age.

It's quite obvious, with the Wall Street coup and their alliance with the far-right.

Sad that Lula didn't have the guts to ban the foreign "missionnaries". They are, in fact, a 5th column.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Derpist on April 29, 2016, 09:14:43 PM
This week, the Legislative Assembly of the state of Alagoas approved an act which can punish teachers who support their political views in the classroom. Assemblies in other states are discussing this kind of act too. There is a proposal in the federal Chamber of Deputies too. They are influenced by far right lobbies which say that there is "marxist indoctrination" at schools. Religious fundamentalists support this kind of law. They want to ban pro-LGBT education. They say that "gender ideology" is evil.

Excellent. I went to a school that prioritized teaching LGBT-politics over basic skill sets and for a district of its socioeconomic status, it really did churn out way too many totally unprepared students.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on May 02, 2016, 08:11:20 AM
According to rumors, Dilma will resign on Friday, after a speech to the nation where she'll ask Temer to resign as well as a way to call a general election. By resigning before the Senate opens impeachment proceedings against her, not only she would avoid the shame of being impeached, but she also would avoid the risk of losing her political rights for 8 years - the political sanction for impeached politicians in Brazil. On the downside, she, Lula and her entire Cabinet will be immediately subjected to the jurisdiction of Sergio Moro if she does this.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on May 02, 2016, 09:02:00 AM
Pulling a Janio Quadros? I still don't see how elections can be held, though.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on May 02, 2016, 09:21:11 AM
According to rumors, Dilma will resign on Friday, after a speech to the nation where she'll ask Temer to resign as well as a way to call a general election. By resigning before the Senate opens impeachment proceedings against her, not only she would avoid the shame of being impeached, but she also would avoid the risk of losing her political rights for 8 years - the political sanction for impeached politicians in Brazil. On the downside, she, Lula and her entire Cabinet will be immediately subjected to the jurisdiction of Sergio Moro if she does this.


Well, this is after she announced more public housing units and an average 9 percent increase in the cash transfer program known as Bolsa Familia, even as Brazil faces a record budget deficit.  In addition to increased spending on Bolsa Familia and a 5 percent income tax adjustment, Rousseff offered extended paternity leave for public servants, increased financial help for small-scale farmers, and the creation of a council with representatives from labor groups, businesses and government to look after workers’ rights.

This is a bobby trap for the incoming regime.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on May 03, 2016, 05:47:35 PM
The Attorney General has just presented criminal charges against Lula.

PS: he also opened a criminal investigation against Dilma.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on May 05, 2016, 07:12:42 AM
Eduardo Cunha has been suspended from the House by the Supreme Court until the criminal proceedings against him are concluded. Thus, the House will now have to elect its new President.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on May 05, 2016, 07:23:43 AM
Speaker and gangster Eduardo Cunha (PMDB-RJ) is suspended of his term as Congressman, then of Speakership, by a monocratic decision by Minister Zavascki. Supreme Court didn't say anything for 141 days, time more of enough to him command a coup d'etat with traitor and conspirator Michel Temer (PMDB).
A fun note: Temer lost his political rights for 8 years after donating more than legal limit (10 % of personal yield of year before election).


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on May 08, 2016, 11:30:32 AM
So, the door closes on Dilma, hits Cunha on the way out, and Temer's daughter is getting ready to be first lady.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on May 08, 2016, 08:52:08 PM
So, the door closes on Dilma, hits Cunha on the way out, and Temer's daughter is getting ready to be first lady.
No. Temer has a trophy wife who's 40 years younger than him. There was a meme about her "bela, recatada e do lar!". One of Temer's daughters, Luciana Temer disagrees with impeachment and stayed with Fernando Haddad government.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on May 09, 2016, 10:25:33 AM
Oh! His wife?

Apparently the Chamber has voided the impeachment? Isn't the Senate supposed to vote today? Are we sure this isn't some desperate move lacking appropriate procedure?

EDIT: Apparently the interim speaker has taken it upon himself to nullify the previous impeachment. I can't imagine he's allowed to do that.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Vega on May 09, 2016, 02:51:35 PM
Yeah, the Senate vote isn't happening, apparently.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on May 09, 2016, 04:50:36 PM
Yeah, the Senate vote isn't happening, apparently.
Renan said that will continue the process normally.
But the Supreme Court should to judge the question (before wednesday).
And Maranhão can be expelled from his party, what would can facilitate a new election of the direction of the Deputy chamber. But it would be a bad thing to Cunha. So, maybe won't happen (and probably this action of Maranhão was under orders of Cunha to mess the things, so everything can happen).


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on May 09, 2016, 06:34:21 PM
Apparently Maranhao voted against the impeachment? How was he chosen, anyway?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on May 09, 2016, 07:23:00 PM
Apparently Maranhao voted against the impeachment? How was he chosen, anyway?
He is a Cunha allied. He was the PP's indicated in the Cunha list for the chamber election last year, as the VP of the House.

He was in favour for impeachment, but the fact that Sarney Family (that became enemies) turned pro impeachment made him change sides (besides, the fact that Flavio Dino, Maranhão's Governor, promised to support him for Senate in 2018 may helped).

He can be a infiltrated agent of Cunha too, no one knows.

Well, politics in Brasil looks like everyday less House of Cards and more just like that other series, yes, Lost.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on May 09, 2016, 11:57:09 PM
Apparently Maranhao voted against the impeachment? How was he chosen, anyway?
He is a Cunha allied. He was the PP's indicated in the Cunha list for the chamber election last year, as the VP of the House.

He was in favour for impeachment, but the fact that Sarney Family (that became enemies) turned pro impeachment made him change sides (besides, the fact that Flavio Dino, Maranhão's Governor, promised to support him for Senate in 2018 may helped).

He can be a infiltrated agent of Cunha too, no one knows.

Well, politics in Brasil looks like everyday less House of Cards and more just like that other series, yes, Lost.
Maranhão turned back as Senator Ciro Nogueira (PP's chairman and in deep problems with Car Wash) threatened him of expelling of party and of asking his mandate back.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Vega on May 11, 2016, 06:17:10 PM
What are "substitution deputies"? Could someone please explain that?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: ag on May 11, 2016, 09:36:39 PM
What are "substitution deputies"? Could someone please explain that?

I am not certain about Brazil, but in other Latin American countries they frequently elect a "suplente": a person who would become a deputy if the real deputy has to resign/dies/whatever. In Mexico these are typically elected as a package: there would be the name of suplente somewhere on the same ballot.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on May 11, 2016, 10:53:29 PM
What are "substitution deputies"? Could someone please explain that?
Brazil legislative system is elected by open list with parties that can be united for election, but not for . But legislators can leave to serve in cabinets (federal, statewide and state capitals). Then, legislators can be replaced by legislators that stayed behind in list until legislators go back. In senate, "substitution senators" are elected in same ticket, usually campaign financers or family members, like Raimundo Lira (PMDB-PB), chairman of Senate Impeachment Committee who replaced Vital do Rego who went to a lifelong job to Audit Court and is now implicated in bribes of Lava Jato. They replace congressman if they get elected to another position too, like to be mayor or senators (who have eight years-term), usually, to become governors.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on May 12, 2016, 03:24:27 PM
So, Dilma is suspended and Temer is now (acting) President.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: 🦀🎂🦀🎂 on May 12, 2016, 04:49:18 PM
Temer's cabinet looks ... Bad.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on May 12, 2016, 04:52:26 PM
On the same day Dilma is suspended Petrobas came out with Q1 results with losses of BRL1.25 billion versus profit of BRL5.33 billion in Q1 2015.  How ironic.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Vega on May 12, 2016, 05:03:10 PM

Yeah, all-male and no visible minorities.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: MaxQue on May 12, 2016, 05:13:57 PM

Yeah, all-male and no visible minorities.

What did you expected from a coup leader?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: StateBoiler on May 12, 2016, 05:14:52 PM
Great article on this from Brian Winter of Americas Quarterly. Argues that Rousseff deserves credit for standing up to corruption but that she was totally out of her league in the presidency.

http://americasquarterly.org/content/final-defense-dilma-rousseff

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A Final Defense of Dilma Rousseff

BY Brian Winter | May 11, 2016
Back in March 2014, when the Petrobras scandal was just getting started, some of President Dilma Rousseff’s top aides saw a golden opportunity to kill the investigation – or at least badly wound it.

Márcio Anselmo, the Federal Police deputy in charge of the probe, had given an interview (which can be seen here) to Jornal Nacional, Brazil’s most-watched news program. On-camera and on-the-record, Anselmo and others laid out the main points of the case, which would soon become notorious: A former Petrobras board member who had accepted a Land Rover as a bribe, the money launderer whose plea-bargain testimony would prove key, and the sordid connections with some of the country’s biggest construction companies.

Everyone in Brasília knew the stakes were huge. The election was just six months away, and Rousseff was facing a tight race. But some ministers were convinced the TV interview was actually a blessing in disguise. They believed Anselmo had broken a dictatorship-era statute that, they argued, prohibited Federal Police officials from discussing cases in progress with the media. Fire him, they urged Rousseff. Fire him now and attack the investigators for using the media to selectively leak information damaging to the government.

To their utter astonishment, Rousseff refused. “I’ll never do that,” she replied dismissively, according to someone who was in the room. “I’m not afraid of this investigation. It has nothing to do with me!”

I covered Rousseff closely for five years as a reporter, and if there’s a more “Dilma” anecdote out there, I don’t know it. This one has it all: her blustery arrogance, her refusal to listen to even her closest aides, and her apparent inability to understand just how much trouble she was in, right to the very end. But it also has what may prove to be Rousseff’s saving grace in the annals of Brazilian history: her refusal, for the most part, to stand in the way of corruption investigations at Petrobras and elsewhere, even when it became clear they would contribute to her demise.

Today, Brazil’s Congress will probably vote to remove Rousseff from office, almost certainly for good. She will leave under disputed circumstances, with the corruption scandals as the clear subtext, though not the official cause, for her impeachment. She will depart with a near-single-digit approval rating, primary responsibility for Brazil’s worst recession in at least 80 years, and very few genuine friends at home or abroad. And yet, Rousseff also appears to deserve some credit for the main achievement of this otherwise horrid decade in Brazil: the consolidation of rule of law under its young democracy, and the notion that the corrupt will be investigated, convicted and jailed, no matter how powerful they may be.

Acknowledging Rousseff’s role in this is controversial, in part because her behavior here, too, was not impeccable. Indeed, she may soon face charges for obstruction of justice for appointing her mentor and predecessor, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, as a minister in her final days in government – an act that was almost certainly designed to make Lula less susceptible to imprisonment, since ministers enjoy special legal protections. Time may tell, but Lula’s appointment seemed to me less an attempt to hinder the investigation itself, and more like an act of personal loyalty and realpolitik, based on the belief that only “The Man” (as President Obama surely regrets describing him) had the negotiating prowess to save her government from its death throes.

The truth is that, starting in early 2014, Rousseff had numerous opportunities to hinder, or at least delay, the investigation of Petrobras and other high-profile cases. The argument against Anselmo, the Federal Police deputy, seems in retrospect to be flimsy at best – but in any case Rousseff let the moment  pass, and Anselmo remains in the post today. Alternatively, Rousseff could have declined in 2015 to reappoint the attorney general, Rodrigo Janot, who had already shown he would go along with the so-called Lava Jato probe. She not only retained Janot, but publicly reaffirmed his “autonomy” – a mandate he would soon seize upon by requesting charges against Lula and an investigation of Rousseff herself. Rousseff also could have put someone less apt to cooperate with prosecutors in charge of the Federal Police, or actively pressed her allies on the Supreme Court to strip Curitiba-based Judge Sergio Moro of the Petrobras case on the argument that judges in Rio de Janeiro, where the company is based, were better-suited to hear the case. Finally, she could have started attacking Moro as biased much earlier and more aggressively than she ultimately did – which would have been risky, but could have put Moro on the defensive and ultimately limited the scope of his investigation.

All along, Rousseff had senior figures within the Workers’ Party whispering in her ear, telling her to do all of these things. But instead, as recently as January of this year, she was publicly celebrating Lava Jato as a necessary purge of practices that had existed in Brazil for decades, if not centuries. “I have to emphasize the fact that Brazil needs this investigation,” she told Folha de S.Paulo, limiting her criticism to procedural “points outside the curve,” such as a supposed reliance on hearsay in plea bargains. Indeed, Rousseff didn’t begin to vilify the investigation in earnest until a few weeks ago, when Moro released wiretapped conversations between her and Lula. And there… well, let’s say she may have had a point.

There are those who will never give Rousseff any credit for letting Brazil’s judiciary do their jobs. Well of course she did, they say. What choice did she have? OK. But ask yourself the following: Would leaders elsewhere in Latin America have done the same? Let’s leave Venezuela out of this, for the sake of argument. What about recent governments in Argentina? Or Mexico? What about Brazil’s fellow BRICS? For that matter, what can we expect from the incoming Michel Temer government in Brazil? One irony of Rousseff’s impeachment is that it has brought increased fears of political interference in the Petrobras investigation. Temer has said there’s nothing to fear, but prosecutors in Curitiba and Brasília privately say they are preparing for setbacks. Unbelievable as it sounds, they may end up missing Rousseff most of all.

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So, the final question: Why did she do it?

Why did Rousseff stand by as her government fell apart?

Some of the explanation probably lies in her origin story. Not the one we’ve all heard about – the Dilma Rousseff of her early twenties, the guerrilla who endured jail and torture, the “Braveheart” of her campaign jingles. No, I’m talking about Dilma Rousseff the adult, after her release from prison in 1973, the one who undertook a much less glamorous life as an economist and public servant. This is the  bespectacled energy policy wonk who just 20 years ago was editing an obscure magazine called Economic Indicators, and never showed any interest in politics or higher office. This Rousseff’s only passion was for numbers – performance targets, spreadsheets, the arcane day-to-day business of government.

Even after Lula ran out of other options and plucked her from relative obscurity to be his chief of staff and ultimately his successor, even after the plastic surgery and makeover that preceded Rousseff’s run for president – her first campaign of any kind – she still had no time for anything but numbers. Unfortunately for Rousseff, this precluded her from making any friends, in Congress or elsewhere, who might have protected her toward the end. But it also made her intolerant of corruption – not for moral reasons perhaps, but because it might keep the numbers in the G column on Excel from lining up correctly. As such, from the very beginning of Rousseff’s government, when a minister or other aide was accused of graft or fraud, she made it clear that person was expected to resign. Six ministers left under such circumstances during her first year in office alone. This was a radical departure from the Lula years, and it contributed to a new culture that ultimately resulted in Lava Jato.

Of course, there are other, much less flattering explanations. Indeed, it’s clear that Rousseff, isolated and politically tone-deaf, failed until it was too late to fully grasp the threat to her own survival. Her choice of words when confronted over Anselmo in early 2014 – “It has nothing to do with me!” – was revealing. The Rousseff-as-earnest-technocrat theory also has a major hole in it: If she was so focused on numbers, then how did she miss the sheer scale of the robbery at Petrobras, especially during the years she was energy minister and the chair of the company’s board?  

To me, the answer probably lies in the simplest, most damning criticism of Rousseff: She just wasn’t that good. Mediocre to the end, and overwhelmed by a position she was never qualified to hold, she consistently failed to ask the right questions of her aides or her party. She also harbored antiquated economic philosophies, believed she could dictate the day-to-day business of the country (including parts of the private sector) by personal fiat, and alienated most people she worked with through her often boorish, insulting behavior. Her presidency will go down as a case study in why leadership matters – why a democracy as big and complex as Brazil cannot simply be handed over to anyone and put on “automatic pilot.”

But yes, Rousseff had virtues, too. Even her enemies concede she was personally honest, and stole nothing for herself. In a region where many leaders spend their waking hours scheming about how to make themselves or their friends richer, or exact revenge on their enemies, Rousseff seemed genuinely focused on tackling Brazil’s still-legendary poverty and inequality. And in the end, any desire she had to stay in office or protect her party seems to have been outweighed by a long-term concern for Brazil and the need to build functioning institutions. That, I think, should count for something.

Meanwhile, if you take a cynical view of politics, Rousseff being impeached is excellent news for Lula to win power again next election. If the country had continued downhill with Rousseff in charge her full term, his party probably wouldn't've won then.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on May 12, 2016, 07:14:51 PM
My long analisys of what went wront with the Workers' Party (PT) and what went wrong with the PT's opposition.
In Portuguese
http://www.trincheiras.com.br/2016/05/pt-por-que-deu-pt/

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Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on May 12, 2016, 07:29:00 PM
Michel Temer's Ministry of Justice is Alexandre de Moraes, former Secretary of Public Security of the state of São Paulo during Geraldo Alckmin's administration (PSDB). In this administration, the riot police used to be very violent against students' demonstrations.
Well, Temer was not elected president, he has the intention to cut social expenditure and make labor legislation more "flexible". We can imagine why did he choose his guy to be his minister...


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: DanPrazeres on May 13, 2016, 08:45:58 AM
Michel Temer's Ministry of Justice is Alexandre de Moraes, former Secretary of Public Security of the state of São Paulo during Geraldo Alckmin's administration (PSDB). In this administration, the riot police used to be very violent against students' demonstrations.
Well, Temer was not elected president, he has the intention to cut social expenditure and make labor legislation more "flexible". We can imagine why did he choose his guy to be his minister...
And, important say, he is known as the PCC (Primeiro Comando da Capital/First Capital's Command, the biggest brazilian organized crime faction) lawyer.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on May 14, 2016, 09:26:17 AM
Pictures of the anti-Temer rally that took place yesterday at Cinelândia, Rio de Janeiro. Maybe, 15k people were there.
http://www.trincheiras.com.br/2016/05/1023/

There were speeches of the representatives Jandira Feghalli (PCdoB), Jean Wyllys and Marcelo Freixo (PSOL), leaders of students' organizations, the leader of the homeless people's movement.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: 🦀🎂🦀🎂 on May 15, 2016, 08:02:26 AM

Yeah, all-male and no visible minorities.

The Agriculture, Education and Justice Secs seen like real pieces of work.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on May 18, 2016, 05:28:41 PM
The cast and crew of Aquarius, a highly-regarded Brazilian film in Cannes, held aloft banners proclaiming ‘A coup took place in Brazil’ and ‘We will resist’ at the official première

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/may/17/brazil-is-not-a-democracy-aquarius-premiere-cannes-red-carpet-protest

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Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on May 23, 2016, 08:44:17 PM
No good News for Michel Temer and Romero Jucá


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on May 23, 2016, 08:53:43 PM
Minister of Planning and Budget Romero Jucá (PMDB-RR) is first casualty of Temer's cabinet. He resigned after wiretapping between him and former senator Sérgio Machado (PMDB-CE), who served as CEO of Transpetro (oil transport Petrobras subsidiary) about stopping Operação Lava Jato. They talked about stopping Lava Jato and that Dilma's impeachment was the only way to do it. They talked about PSDB links to corruption schemes (They were leaders of Cardoso's government and were members of PSDB before supporting Lula), saying that "Aécio will be first to be eaten". There are talks that Machado is doing a plea bargain and have tapes with Renan Calheiros and José Sarney.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: ag on May 23, 2016, 09:00:12 PM
The only way out of this mess that would have any chance of restoring legitimacy of governance is an early election. Ok, they have the Olympics, fine. Olympics will be closing on Aug. 21st. Campaign should start on Aug. 22nd. And till that a purely apolitical technocratic cabinet should be appointed, on condition of not approving any major policies or expenditures. Anything else is just too dangerous.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Dan the Roman on May 24, 2016, 12:34:38 PM
The only way out of this mess that would have any chance of restoring legitimacy of governance is an early election. Ok, they have the Olympics, fine. Olympics will be closing on Aug. 21st. Campaign should start on Aug. 22nd. And till that a purely apolitical technocratic cabinet should be appointed, on condition of not approving any major policies or expenditures. Anything else is just too dangerous.

I believe the constitution neither allows for early elections, nor for a constitutional amendment to allow for them.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: ag on May 24, 2016, 03:48:53 PM
The only way out of this mess that would have any chance of restoring legitimacy of governance is an early election. Ok, they have the Olympics, fine. Olympics will be closing on Aug. 21st. Campaign should start on Aug. 22nd. And till that a purely apolitical technocratic cabinet should be appointed, on condition of not approving any major policies or expenditures. Anything else is just too dangerous.

I believe the constitution neither allows for early elections, nor for a constitutional amendment to allow for them.

I do not believe that to be true. If I get the relevant provision right this is it:

Article 81

Art. 81. In case the positions of the President and the Vice President of the Republic are vacant, election shall be held within 90 days of the vacancy in the latter position.

1. If the vacancies are produced during the last two years of the presidential term, the election for both positions shall be held 30 days after the latter vacancy, by the National Congress, as provided for by law.

2.  In every case, those elected shall compelte the term of their predecessors.

The last Brazilian election was held on October 4/26 2014, Dilma started her second term on Jan. 1 2015, the term is 4 years. If both she and Temer were to resign tomorrow, elections would have to be held within 90 days. No problem whatsoever.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on May 24, 2016, 09:12:38 PM
I think that a new election is the best solution for the political crisis.

But a new election can take place only if both Dilma Rousseff and Michel Temer resign. Or if Michel Temer resign after the end of Dilma's impeachment process.
If he resign until December 31th 2016 (first half of the term), the new election will be direct. If he resign after December 31th 2016, the Congress will vote for the new president.

Michel Temer will resign only if there is a big pressure.
I think that, unfortunately, he will be the president until December 31th 2018.



Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: MaxQue on May 24, 2016, 09:57:54 PM
Indeed, it's quite rare that coup leaders leave power without being forced to.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: ag on May 25, 2016, 01:03:54 PM
I think that a new election is the best solution for the political crisis.

But a new election can take place only if both Dilma Rousseff and Michel Temer resign. Or if Michel Temer resign after the end of Dilma's impeachment process.
If he resign until December 31th 2016 (first half of the term), the new election will be direct. If he resign after December 31th 2016, the Congress will vote for the new president.

Michel Temer will resign only if there is a big pressure.
I think that, unfortunately, he will be the president until December 31th 2018.



Well, there will be pressure. At least as much pressure as Dilma faced. The question is, when is it coming to head: before or after the end of the year. It is hard to see how he survives to the end of the current term once sh**t truly hits the fan.

I have a suggestion. They should somehow get Pele into Congress, have him appointed Speaker, have Temer resign and have Pele be president for the Olympics, with election happening shortly thereafter. This is, probably, the only way Brazil avoids being a scray laughing stock right at the moment all the attention is on it.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on May 28, 2016, 12:43:42 AM
I think that a new election is the best solution for the political crisis.

But a new election can take place only if both Dilma Rousseff and Michel Temer resign. Or if Michel Temer resign after the end of Dilma's impeachment process.
If he resign until December 31th 2016 (first half of the term), the new election will be direct. If he resign after December 31th 2016, the Congress will vote for the new president.

Michel Temer will resign only if there is a big pressure.
I think that, unfortunately, he will be the president until December 31th 2018.



Well, there will be pressure. At least as much pressure as Dilma faced. The question is, when is it coming to head: before or after the end of the year. It is hard to see how he survives to the end of the current term once sh**t truly hits the fan.

I have a suggestion. They should somehow get Pele into Congress, have him appointed Speaker, have Temer resign and have Pele be president for the Olympics, with election happening shortly thereafter. This is, probably, the only way Brazil avoids being a scray laughing stock right at the moment all the attention is on it.
Romário is already in Senate.
But things are getting uglier for PMDB. Now, in more one of Machado tapes, former Transpetro CEO is talking about that he helped the traitor and usurper acting President Michel Temer to finance Gabriel Chalita's failed campaign to mayor of São Paulo. And there are talks about a Machado tape with Temer.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Ebsy on May 28, 2016, 03:21:37 AM
You would think these idiots would stop talking about shady s[Inks] on telephones that might be tapped.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on May 28, 2016, 12:53:48 PM
You would think these idiots would stop talking about shady s[Inks] on telephones that might be tapped.
Machado taped not on phone, but during personal meetings with barons. As he served in Senate, he still had links with Senate masters, like Sarney, Calheiros and Jucá.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: 🦀🎂🦀🎂 on June 08, 2016, 03:32:33 AM
Judge requests arrest warrant for four of the biggest PMDB names: ex-president Jose Sarney, Senate Speaker Renan Calheiros, ex-lower house Speaker Eduardo Cunha and party leader Romero Juca.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on June 08, 2016, 04:00:53 PM
Today, after one month of Temer's administration, the first opinion poll was published

Your view on Temer's administration
11.3% positive
30.2% regular
28.0% negative
30.5% don't know

Do you approve Temer's administration?
33.8% approve
40.4% disapprove

Temer's administration is
54.8% equal to Dilma's
20.1% better than Dilma's
14.9% worse than Dilma's

The corruption in Temer's administration will be
46.6% equal than it was in the Dilma's administration
28.3% smaller
18.6% bigger

Was Dilma's impeachment a correct decision?
62.4% yes
33.0% no

Should a new election take place in 2016?
50.3% yes
46.1% no


These numbers are not bad for Michel Temer. Pro-Temer brainwashing made by Globo Network is working...


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on July 02, 2016, 06:12:40 AM
Another opinion poll
Ibope 24-27th June, 2016

Evaluation of Temer's administration
13% good/very good
36% regular
39% bad/very bad

Approval
31% approve
53% disapprove


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on July 07, 2016, 03:30:31 PM
Eduardo Cunha resigned today. He is not the president of the House anymore. But he is still a representative. Maybe, there was an agreement with his allies so that he could resign without losing his term as a representative.
Eduardo Cunha met Michel Temer in Temer's office last week.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on July 07, 2016, 07:40:27 PM
Eduardo Cunha resigned today. He is not the president of the House anymore. But he is still a representative. Maybe, there was an agreement with his allies so that he could resign without losing his term as a representative.
Eduardo Cunha met Michel Temer in Temer's office last week.
He's a removed representative. Things for Cunha are very complicated. His main bribe operator, Lucio Bolonha Funaro, was arrested after a bargain plea by Flavio Cleto, former Vice President of Caixa. Cunha was appointed as receiver of 80% of bribes. But a delation of Cunha is very feared by usurper acting government. Now Cunha is under juridisction of 2nd Group of Federal Supreme Court, led by Gilmar Mendes, a very pro-PSDB partisan judge, who makes a pact to save Cunha very likely.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on July 11, 2016, 04:34:41 PM
Dilma Rousseff was invited to the Olympics Opening Cerimony. Officially, she is still the president. The former presidents will be invited too. I don't know if she will attend or not. It would be a contest against Michel Temer for the worst answer of the audience. Considering the social class of the audience, due to the prices of the tickets, problably the audience would be more hostile to Dilma Rousseff than to Michel Temer.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on August 04, 2016, 08:25:20 PM
For non-Brazilians who follow this thread:

They could ask: how could a vice president be so different of a president? How could the government become opposition and the opposition become government after an impeachment?

Well, Brazilian Congress has more than 20 parties, due to the open list proportional representation system. No party has more than 20% of the seats. Every president needs more than 50% of support in order to approve new laws. So, it is necessary to build coalitions.
Brazil has a presidential system, like most of the countries in the American Continent. Elections for president and for the Congress are held at the same time, but they are independent one from each other. There is a split in the vote for president and for the Congress. The Workers Party (PT) had a lock in the "Palácio do Planalto". The right has a lock in the Congress. Lula was elected in 2002 and 2006. Dilma was elected in 2010 and in 2014. But the PT never had more than 20% of the seats of the Congress. The sum of the leftist parties, PT, Communist Party (PCdoB), Party of the Socialism and Liberty (PSOL) and Democratic Labor Party (PDT), never reached more than 25% of the seats (besides, PSOL was the "let wing opposition"). So, Lula and Dilma needed the support of center-right parties in order to have a majority.
There are two kind of center-right parties: the ideology driven parties and the oligarchs' parties. The ideology driven center-right parties are PSDB and DEM. They were always opposition against Lula and Dilma. Most of the PSDB/DEM voters belong to the urban middle/upper class. The oligarchs' parties are PMDB, PP, PSD, PRB, PR and PRB. They are called "centrão" (big center), because they also endorse governments, no matter if the head of the executive branch belongs to the PT or to the PMDB. Most of the voters of the "centrão" parties are the rural poor.

Mexicans will understand in an easier way: PT is like the PRD, PSDB is like the PAN and PMDB is like the PRI

Lula and Dilma needed the support of the parties of the "centrão" in order to build a coalition. But this support has a cost. In 2010, PMDB accepted to support Dilma only if this party was able to nominate Dilma's VP. And then, PMDB chose Michel Temer. The Dilma Rousseff/Michel Temer ticket was repeated in 2014. PT had another gain in accepting PMDB nominating the VP. In Brazilian elections, time for advertising at the television is allocated according to the proportion of the seats each candidate's party has in the Congress. Since PMDB has the biggest number of tickets, by accepting the PMDB nominating the VP, PT earned more time for advertising for Dilma at the television. In the other side, PMDB could nominate some ministers in Lula/Dilma administration.
Well, the coalition PT/PMDB was not very clean. They deviated 5% of the payments from the state owned oil cimpany to building contractors in order to use in the election campaigns. Many PT and PMDB politicians were benefited.

Part of the Petrobras scandal was dicovered by the Federal Police before the 2014 elections, but most of the scandal was discovered after the elections. Dilma won a narrow runoff against PSDB candidate Aécio Neves. But PT lost seats in the legislative election. Dilma's supporting base became smaller.
Besides the Petrobras scandal, there was the economic crisis. That's why, Dilma's approval rate soon after the new innauguration fell to the single digit. Then, the parties of the "centrão", including PMDB, stopped supporting Dilma's admistration. They joined the opposition parties PSDB and DEM and had together more than 2/3 of the seats, enough to aprove Dilma's impeachment.
Michel Temer became the temporary president after the Chamber approved the impeachment. Now, the Senate is discussing the impeachment. The final vote will take place soon after the Olympics. Problably, more than 2/3 of the senators will vote for the impeachment, and Michel Temer will become the president until December 2018.
Dilma lost the presidency because she lost people's support and because she lost the support of the Congress. But according to Brazilian constitution, the Congress cannot remove a president, unless the president has committed a crime. So, the Congress needed to find a crime that Dilma committed. There was no proof of the direct participation of Dilma Rousseff in the Petrobras scandal. So, they found another "crime": mismanagement of the budget, a "crime" that most of the previous presidents and state governos committed. It was an excuse to impeach a president that lost the support of the Congress.
Michel Temer became the temporary president, invited some PSDB and DEM politicians to become ministers and is implementing policies that Aécio Neves would implemente if he had won the election. That's why the PT supporters consider Dilma's impeachment a "coup d'stat".
Big street demonstrations helped the impeachment. Many middle/upper class people, who voted for Aécio Neves in 2014, went to the streets, wearing yellow shirts, asking "Dilma out". The "libertarian" movement was there. Former Dilma's voters didn't go to the pro-impeachment demonstrations, but most of them didn't go to the anti-impeachment demonstrations too. The anti-impeachment demonstrations were much smaller than the pro-impeachment demonstrations. Most of the Dilma's voters became dissapointed with her. They didn't join the ones who wanted to remove her from the Palácio do Planalto. But they didn't make effort to hold her there.
The pro-impeachment movement was very hypocrite. They used "send the corrupt back home" slogans in order to criticize PT for the Petrobras scandal. But they accept a PMDB administration, a party that participated in the Petrobras scandal too. The difference is not related to corruption: PMDB accepts to implement the agenda that the pro-impeachment movement supports, and the PT no.

The business sector supported the impeachment because it considered that Michel Temer would implemente policies that would be very unpopular during elections: increase the flexibility of the labor markets, reduce the taxes (by reducing the spending in education and health) and increase the minimum age for retirement. A non-elected government could implemente these policies easier.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Seneca on August 06, 2016, 03:42:06 PM
Thanks for the run-down buritobr.

I am curious how likely it is that Temer faces any legal trouble as a result of the ongoing investigation. I imagine he wouldn't be impeached, given the support he has in congress, but could he be indicted by the courts?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on August 06, 2016, 11:38:09 PM
If someone in the audience shows messages like "Fora Temer" (Temer out) inside the venues of the Olympics, the police is removing.
There were cases of people who had to leave the stadiums.

... democracy!



Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on August 25, 2016, 09:19:10 PM
Today, Coup's Trial was started by Senate, presided by President of Supreme Court Ricardo Lewandowsky. Audit's Court Prosecutor Julio Marcelo, one of main accusers of President Dilma Rousseff, was refused as witness, because his positions for rejection of Dilma's govermnent accounts. He was accepted only as informant, unable to produce proofs against Rousseff.
And Car Wash are receiving attacks from pro-PSDB members of Judiciary after a leak of OAS (building company) about a household renovation of Federal Supreme Court Minister Dias Toffoli (Lula's appointee but that became aligned with Gilmar Mendes, most anti-PT Supreme Court minister).


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on August 27, 2016, 05:07:42 AM
Proposal: bring General João Figueiredo back to life and install him as President.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on August 27, 2016, 09:08:45 AM
Since the end of Figueiredo's term in 1985, Michel Temer is the most right-wing president. He is on the right of José Sarney, Fernando Collor, Itamar Franco, Fernando Henrique Cardoso, Lula da Silva and Dilma Rousseff.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on August 29, 2016, 10:00:33 PM
Dilma Rousseff is answering the questions of the senators. The final vote will take place tomorrow or Wednesday.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on August 31, 2016, 06:29:26 AM
What is Collor stance on this? (given how his own administration ended.)


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 31, 2016, 11:46:31 AM
She's been impeached, 61-20.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 31, 2016, 12:20:16 PM
Hopefully the people will stand with the PT and send the golpistas home in 2018.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Tender Branson on August 31, 2016, 01:43:06 PM

Good.

That woman was a real plague for the country, and an incompetent one too.

Hopefully the Maduro-clown in Venezuela follows suit in being ousted from office.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on August 31, 2016, 01:44:04 PM
Another parliamentary coup succeeding in Latin America...


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: President Punxsutawney Phil on August 31, 2016, 01:47:27 PM
This whole saga made me hate Temer. That piece of human scum.
Hopefully his party pays the price in 2018.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: President Punxsutawney Phil on August 31, 2016, 02:13:16 PM
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Someone used this on AH.com in response to someone calling this a "A good day for Brazil".


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Lumine on August 31, 2016, 03:47:10 PM
Good.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on August 31, 2016, 05:51:13 PM

Good.

That woman was a real plague for the country, and an incompetent one too.

Hopefully the Maduro-clown in Venezuela follows suit in being ousted from office.

You're aware that Temer is a lot more corrupt than Lula or Dilma, and almost every minister is extremely corrupt ?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on August 31, 2016, 09:22:21 PM
There were anti-Temer demonstrations in many state capitals this evening. Most of them were peaceful. In São Paulo, there were some clashes with the riot police.

Here are the pictures I have taken from the demonstration downtown Rio de Janeiro
http://www.trincheiras.com.br/2016/08/fotos-da-manifestacao-anti-temer-no-centro-do-rio-de-janeiro/



Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Famous Mortimer on August 31, 2016, 09:53:03 PM
What is Collor stance on this? (given how his own administration ended.)

Collor voted to remove from office.

Meanwhile, Senator Lindbergh Farias of the PT, who led the movement to impeach Collor as leader of the national student union in the 80s, voted not to impeach. A lot of people are noting the irony.

Also interesting about Collor, he's switched parties again. He's in the Christian Labor Party, which is actually organizationally descended from the party he led when he was president. He was previously a member of the Brazilian Labor Party and the Brazilian Labor Renewal Party.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on September 01, 2016, 10:43:22 PM
How are Collor's and Dilma's impeachment similar?
Both can be considered "parliamentary coups". The Congress removed these presidents from the office only because the Congress did not like these presidents. This is not acceptable in a presidential republic like Brazil. The Congress behaved as if we live in a parliamentary republic, but we don't live in a parliamentary republic. Minor offenses were used as excuses to use the impeachment law, in order to make the impeachment look like legal. Almost all the leftist parties supported the Collor's impeachment. Almost all the rightist parties, which supported Collor's election, supported his impeachment too. Leonel Brizola was the sole leftist politician who did not support Collor's impeachment. He though that the leftist parties were committing a big mistake, because one day a leftist president would be target of an impeachment process. The Congress has always conservative majorities. Brizola died in 2004. He did not have time to see his prediction becoming reality.

How are Collor's and Dilma's impeachment different?
As I wrote in other thread, Collor's VP Itamar Franco just waited the vote, and only after that he buit his cabinet. Michel Temer bargained the votes for the impeachment. He offered ministries for the parties whose Congressmen voted yes.
Itamar Franco followed Collor's policies. He did not try to implement Lula's program (Lula was the losing candidate in 1989, when Collor was elected). Michel Temer wants to implement Aécio Neves' program, the program of the losing candidate. That's why the leftists are very angry.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on September 01, 2016, 10:52:34 PM
For the Americans who read this thread, imagine the following situation, an analogy for Dilma's impeachment:

Consider that the USA has a Democratic president and a Republican strong majority in both houses of the Congress. The vice president is a conservative Democrat who has close ties to Republican leaders. The Democratic president accepted this ticket in the election in order to have centrist votes. There is an economic crisis. The president wants to increase taxes in order to reduce the budget deficits. The Congress wants to cut spending in welfare. No agreement is reached. Then, the Congress finds a minor mistake commited by the president as an excuse to impeach him. The conservative Democrat VP becomes the president and appoints top Republican leaders to be secretaries. He leads a conservative administration supported by the Republicans in the Congress. Since the USA is a more serious country, I don't believe this situation could happen there.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: ag on September 01, 2016, 10:55:38 PM
Without any political sympathy to Dilma or PT, I have to say that I am very disappointed, though not surprized. Dilma should have been defeated on election day. This is a misuse of the impeachment clauses of the constitution, which will make Brazil both more corrupt and less governable. I would not call this a coup - I concede, it was legally done. But it is dramatic failure of statesmanship by Brazil´s political class.

Frankly, after this, it would be better to abolish the executive presidency with a proper constitutional reform. From now on, in any case, Brazilian president serves at the pleasure of the parliament. So be it. But it should be done properly: the constitution should be changed accordingly.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on September 02, 2016, 11:22:21 PM
Repression is starting in Brazil. Sao Paulo's police repressed anti-Temer acts with ferocious methods. They used gas bombs and rubber bullets against demonstrators. Deborah Fabri, 19, student, lost eye view because of a rubber bullet against her. In Rio Grande do Sul, Mauro Rogerio Silva dos Santos, a lawyer was assaulted by policemen while he tried to prevent agressions against demonstrators. His son reacted against a policeman and was charged of a manslaughter attempt! He was tortured with attempts of asphyxia and death threats by policemen. And he's black, another factor that made torture stronger.
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Torture video (http://"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTwvJ8Al4X4")
In Salvador, there are anti-Temer acts everyday.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on September 02, 2016, 11:42:40 PM
For the Americans who read this thread, imagine the following situation, an analogy for Dilma's impeachment:

Consider that the USA has a Democratic president and a Republican strong majority in both houses of the Congress. The vice president is a conservative Democrat who has close ties to Republican leaders. The Democratic president accepted this ticket in the election in order to have centrist votes. There is an economic crisis. The president wants to increase taxes in order to reduce the budget deficits. The Congress wants to cut spending in welfare. No agreement is reached. Then, the Congress finds a minor mistake commited by the president as an excuse to impeach him. The conservative Democrat VP becomes the president and appoints top Republican leaders to be secretaries. He leads a conservative administration supported by the Republicans in the Congress. Since the USA is a more serious country, I don't believe this situation could happen there.
In Brazil, party presidents are very powerful. If they don't like a thing, party hardly will go for it. Temer was President of PMDB and Speaker of Chamber in 2010. And Temer wing remained very close to PSDB until 2006 (I remember Temer standing behind Alckmin in 2006 concession speech).


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on September 04, 2016, 10:37:42 PM
There were demonstrations in many state capitals calling for Michel Temer's resignation and new presidential election.
In São Paulo, there were 100.000 demonstrators. After a peaceful rally, the riot police started the violence.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on September 05, 2016, 10:23:38 PM
There were demonstrations in many state capitals calling for Michel Temer's resignation and new presidential election.
In São Paulo, there were 100.000 demonstrators. After a peaceful rally, the riot police started the violence.
In previous day, effective illegitimate president said that acts were made only by "40 persons who only break cars".


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on September 13, 2016, 03:39:02 PM
Interesting thing I've just noticed:

Since 1985, there were three Presidents from PMDB, none of them actually elected:

First, Jose Sarney, a military regime fellow traveller who switched to MDB due to opposing Maluf's candidacy. He became Neves' running-mate and, as it happened, had to take over from the very start.

Then we have Itamar Franco, who actually left PMDB to be Collor's running mate, but rejoined during his Vice Presidency.

And now we've got third unelected PMDB President. I guess only Itamar can be described as "decent" from this bunch.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on September 13, 2016, 10:48:33 PM
In last Monday, former Speaker and coup's mastermind Eduardo Cunha (still PMDB-RJ) was expelled from Chamber of Deputies by 450 to 10 voting. 9 abstained (including Majority Leader André Moura, one of most loyal Cunha allies) and 43 were absent. Carlos Marun (PMDB-MS) was the only to speak in his favour, while Edson Moreira (PR-MG) spoke and abstained.  Speaker Rodrigo Maia (DEM-RJ) didn't vote. Cunha after voting said that his expulsion from congress was made by a coalition between Temer, Maia, PT and allies. Many people in Temer's government fear a Cunha plea bargain.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on September 14, 2016, 05:07:05 AM
One thing I just can't comprehend...

Temer was allowed to take office in August, despite being found guilty of breaking campaign finance rules in June. He's thus banned from running for any office for the next eight years, but somehow it's OK for him to take over as President.

Mind blown.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on September 14, 2016, 08:11:56 PM
One thing I just can't comprehend...

Temer was allowed to take office in August, despite being found guilty of breaking campaign finance rules in June. He's thus banned from running for any office for the next eight years, but somehow it's OK for him to take over as President.

Mind blown.
In judicial brazilian system, an electoral crime is a different to a common crime. And Temer was found guilty by 2nd degree trial who makes him a "dirty sheet" politician. But he's appealing this decision. Today, Regional Electoral Court of Sao Paulo is trying a similar case that can alter Temer's situation.
Today, "Car Wash" prosecutors indicted former President Luis Inacio Lula da Silva for passive bribery and money laundering along former First Lady Marisa Leticia, aide Paulo Okamoto and people linked to builder OAS. In a power point full of mistakes, like "proinocracy", prosecutors tried to show that Lula received bribes and was maximum commander of Petrobras corruption scheme. This case is very weak, but "Car Wash" judge Moro is very likely to accept denounce and to find guilty, while PSDB politicians sleep soundly.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on September 15, 2016, 04:04:32 AM
One thing I just can't comprehend...

Temer was allowed to take office in August, despite being found guilty of breaking campaign finance rules in June. He's thus banned from running for any office for the next eight years, but somehow it's OK for him to take over as President.

Mind blown.
In judicial brazilian system, an electoral crime is a different to a common crime. And Temer was found guilty by 2nd degree trial who makes him a "dirty sheet" politician. But he's appealing this decision. Today, Regional Electoral Court of Sao Paulo is trying a similar case that can alter Temer's situation.

This is quite ironic that Temer can't run for office yet succeeed the Presidency, while Dilma was impeached but no such restrictions were imposed on her.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on September 15, 2016, 09:42:45 PM
Brazilian picture Aquarius will not run to be Academy Awards nominee in foreign language movie.
A commission created by the Ministry of Culture is in charge of choosing the picture to run for the Academy Awards nominee. The cast of Aquarius made a protest against Dilma's impeachment in Cannes in may. Temer's ministry of culture Marcelo Calero chose, Petrucelli, a right-wing journalist to be in charge of this commission. Petrucelli wrote colums criticizing Aquarius's cast.
After 10 days in the movie theaters in Brazil, Aquarius had an audience of 200K. This is a lot according to Brazilian standards. We live in a country where most of the population is poor and don't go to the movie theater often. The picture choosen by the Ministry of Culture is not in the Brazilian movie theaters yet.
It is clear that the veto of the Picture Aquarius was a political avengement committed by Temer's Ministry of Culture.

Aquarius trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB-5rodvHUc


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on September 15, 2016, 10:23:22 PM
I'm sorry Brazil is turning into another Poland.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on September 19, 2016, 06:45:21 PM
I'm sorry Brazil is turning into another Poland.

Sure.
Brazil became a far conservative island like Poland, Hungary, Colombia, Honduras, Uganda and Israel.
Colombia is getting better, Brazil is getting worse.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on September 30, 2016, 07:42:29 AM
I'm sorry Brazil is turning into another Poland.

Sure.
Brazil became a far conservative island like Poland, Hungary, Colombia, Honduras, Uganda and Israel.
Colombia is getting better, Brazil is getting worse.

I was referring to that specific Ministry of Culture move, which sounds something our Ministry would do.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on October 01, 2016, 09:49:55 AM
The more I'm reading about the whole thing, the more bad irony I see

1. Collor, who was himself impeached in 1992, votes to remove Dilma, while being investigated for Cash Wash.
2. Aecio, the guy Dilma defeated, got the opportunity to vote to remove her, while possibly being involved in Cash Wash too.
3. Serra, another guy Dilma beat, pretty much voted to keep himself as Temer's foreign minister.
4. Dilma was removed from office, but her political rights remains intact. Temer becomes President, but he's prohibited from running for anything in the next 8 years due to campaign violations.

I mean, this is f**ked up.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on October 13, 2016, 09:16:04 PM
Far right groups have already scheduled a pro-Trump rally which will take place on October 29th, at downtown São Paulo. They will rally against Hillary Clinton, the "American Dilma".


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on October 13, 2016, 09:31:28 PM
Far right groups have already scheduled a pro-Trump rally which will take place on October 29th, at downtown São Paulo. They will rally against Hillary Clinton, the "American Dilma".
They're so dumb. As all of Brazilian right. Hillary supports American Free Trade Agreement, received money from Itau (Brazilian largest private bank), and Bill have good relations with PSDB. She's all that coupist government wants.
#ForaTemer
#ForaHillary


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on October 17, 2016, 06:56:06 PM
In a dialogue in a Brazilian soap opera in 1998, a rich couple was discussing at the dinner table. The wife was defending the strengh of the women.
When the couple was talking about Bill Clinton's sexual scandal, they started discussing Hillary's role.
The lady told at 3:00
"One day, Hillary Clinton will be candidate and she will be the first US female president"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOOErHobcr0


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: 🦀🎂🦀🎂 on November 25, 2016, 07:17:06 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-38100264

Temer being accused of corruption.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on November 25, 2016, 08:35:14 PM
Temer's potato is being baked


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on November 30, 2016, 07:39:13 PM
The Senate approved a constitutional amendment that forbids the federal government to increase its spending in real values for the next 20 years.
The authors of this proposal declared that the goal is to eliminate the budget deficit. Considering that the economy will recover, the stagnated spending and the increasing revenue will eliminate the deficit. But probably, the deficit will be eliminated in the next 5 years. This amendment is valid for 20 years. So, after these 5 years, we will have increasing surpluses... or tax cuts.
The real goal of this amendment is using the people's panic about the deficit and crisis in order to slash the welfare state, in order to create a "small government".


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on January 19, 2017, 05:54:16 PM
Judge of Supreme Court Teori Zavascki died in a plane crash.
He was in charge of the "Lava Jato"
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-38685289


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on January 19, 2017, 09:26:47 PM
Judge of Supreme Court Teori Zavascki died in a plane crash.
He was in charge of the "Lava Jato"
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-38685289

Brazilian "Pelican Brief" is happening. By Supreme Court rules, Zavascki's replacement (to be named by illegitimate president Michel #foratemer will manage Car Wash inquiry. Temer's government leader and PMDB president Romero Jucá (PMDB-RR) in one tapes recorded by former senator and Transpetro Sergio Machado (PMDB-CE) who made a plea bargain...
MACHADO: "A way is to get someone with a link with Teori, but it looks that he doesn't have anyone.
JUCÁ: No one. He's a closed guy. A sh**t bureaucrat.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on February 02, 2017, 06:05:42 PM
Lula's wife Marisa Leticia, former first lady, passed away. She had a stroke.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on February 06, 2017, 11:44:06 PM
Michel Temer picked the minister of Justice Alexandre de Moraes to the Supreme Court, in order to replace Teori Zavascki.
Alexandre de Moraes is conservative and he is a close political ally of Michel Temer. The Supreme Court might be in charge to judge members of Temer's administration due to corruption acusations.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on February 16, 2017, 05:23:32 PM
MDA poll for the presidential election of October 2018

Scenario 1
Luís Inácio Lula da Silva 30.5%
Marina Silva 11.8%
Jair Bolsonaro 11.3%
Aécio Neves 10.1%
Ciro Gomes 5%

Scenario 2
Luís Inácio Lula da Silva 31.8%
Marina Silva 12.1%
Jair Bolsonaro 11.7%
Geraldo Alckmin 9.1%
Ciro Gomes 5.3%

Runoff

Luís Inácio Lula da Silva 39.7%
Aécio Neves 27.5%

Luís Inácio Lula da Silva 38.9%
Marina Silva 27.4%

MDA made no runoff scenario between Lula and the far right leader Jair Bolsonaro


Temer's job
24.4% approve
62.4% disapprove

44.1% bad/very bad



Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Mike88 on February 16, 2017, 05:45:41 PM
So, Lula is unbeatable...

Is he that popular or just the least bad of all?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on February 24, 2017, 02:00:07 PM
So, Lula is unbeatable...

Is he that popular or just the least bad of all?

Least bad

Lula was very popular during his term. Then, he became unpopular after the corruption scandals found during the Lava Jato (2014-2016) and after the economic crisis during Dilma's administration. The Workers Party had several defeats in the 2016 municipal elections.

But now, Lava Jato is showing that there are many leaders from the PMDB and PSDB in the corruption scandals too. The Federal Police and the attorney could not find evidence that Lula had personal benefit from the corruption. It is widely known that there was corruption in his administration in order to keep a supporting base in the Congress and in order to give money to the electoral campaigns of the Workers Party (PT). But Lula didn't become rich because of the corruption.
The economy is going bad even after nine months of Temer's administration. People think: there was corruption in Lula's administration, but our lives were getting better, and now our lives are getting worse.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: 🦀🎂🦀🎂 on February 24, 2017, 03:24:06 PM
Given the widespread corruption in all parties, is there a chance we could see new parties (stuff like 5SM, Podemos, C's etc) become popular and enter congress?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on February 25, 2017, 08:27:14 AM
Given the widespread corruption in all parties, is there a chance we could see new parties (stuff like 5SM, Podemos, C's etc) become popular and enter congress?

Yes.
PSOL is the Brazilian version of Podemos, Linke and Syriza. It has 6 congressmen. The 2014 presidential candidate Luciana Genro had 1.5%, but in the 2016 municipal elections, the candidate for mayor of Rio de Janeiro Marcelo Freixo had 18% in the first round, went to the runoff and had 40%.

No new parties are needed because there are more than 10 parties in the Brazilian congresso. But there are lots of strange politicians who rose after the distrust in mainstream politics. The comedian Tiririca was the congressmen who had the biggest number of votes. The mayor of São Paulo João Doria is from the PSDB, a big party, but he doesn't belong to the mainstream of PSDB. He is a kind of Donald Trump, who joined the party as an outsider.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on February 26, 2017, 07:19:59 PM
For the ones who can read Portuguese
http://www.trincheiras.com.br/2017/02/qual-e-o-bairro-mais-esquerdista-do-rio-de-janeiro-qual-e-o-bairro-mais-direitista/

An analysis of the results by borough from Rio de Janeiro of the runoff of the 2014 presidential election and the results of the runoff of the 2016 municipal election.

In the runoff of the 2014 presidential election, Dilma Rousseff had 51% and Aécio Neves had 49% in the city of Rio de Janeiro. Dilma Rousseff, supported by left-wing parties, did better in low income boroughs, and Aécio Neves, supported by right-wing parties, did better in high income boroughs.

In the runoff of the 2016 municipal election, Marcelo Crivella had 59% and Marcelo Freixo had 41%. Unlike what happenned in 2014, in 2016, the polarization was inverted. Marcelo Freixo, supported by left-wing parties, did better in high income boroughs, and Marcelo Crivella, supported by right-wing parties, did better in low income boroughs.

The text presents the results of both elections in every borough. The text shows that, although both Dilma and Freixo are leftists, the correlation of their votes according to the boroughs is negative (or: although both Aécio and Crivella are rightists, the correlation of their votes according to the boroughs is negative).

Though the calculation of the average of the elections of 2014 and 2016, it was possible to rank all the boroughs of Rio de Janeiro, from the most left-wing to the most right-wing.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on March 14, 2017, 05:20:36 PM
https://www.dezeen.com/2017/03/14/brazil-president-michel-temer-flees-ghosts-oscar-niemeyer-home-palacio-da-alvorada-brasilia


Is Temer doing it on purpose or something? :P


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on March 21, 2017, 10:22:57 PM
https://www.dezeen.com/2017/03/14/brazil-president-michel-temer-flees-ghosts-oscar-niemeyer-home-palacio-da-alvorada-brasilia


Is Temer doing it on purpose or something? :P
And he spent $7000 of our money to refurbish and install a child safety screen in palace. Legitimate president Dilma Rousseff trolled Temer saying that "she didn't see any phantoms in palace".


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on March 21, 2017, 10:56:01 PM
Brazil's state of exception promoted by Car Wash is showing signs of getting deeper. Judge Sergio Moro ordered that blogger Eduardo Guimaraes to be taken from home for questioning. Guimaraes, who ran for town councilor for PC do B in São Paulo, leaked in February, 2016 about Lula's arrest for questioning and the search warrant against seat of Workers Party. They took his equipment (notebook and smartphone) to know about his sources. Guimaraes has already denounced Moro in National Council of Justice (judiciary's control board) for his pratices. And Moro accuses Guimaraes of libel. I'd compare this affair with Assange's wikileaks, as Moro and allies are trying to take informations from Guimaraes notebook and smartphone about his sources, as trying to retaliate Guimaraes.
https://www.cartacapital.com.br/politica/moro-viola-sigilo-de-fonte-de-blogueiro-que-o-denunciou-no-cnj (https://www.cartacapital.com.br/politica/moro-viola-sigilo-de-fonte-de-blogueiro-que-o-denunciou-no-cnj)
http://jornalggn.com.br/noticia/com-o-caso-eduardo-guimaraes-moro-atravessa-o-rubicao (http://jornalggn.com.br/noticia/com-o-caso-eduardo-guimaraes-moro-atravessa-o-rubicao)


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on April 06, 2017, 04:47:33 PM
Brazil Conference, na event organized by the Harvard University and the MIT, will take place in Cambridge, Massachusetts, in April 7th and 8th.
http://www.brazilconference.org/2017/pt/home_br/
Famous left-wing and right-wing Brazilians will speak.
The list of lecturers include former president Dilma Rousseff, former candidate Marina Silva, Supreme Court judges Gilmar Mendes and Luís Roberto Barroso, former left-wing senator Eduardo Suplicy, far right philosopher Olavo de Carvalho, former mayor of São Paulo Fernando Haddad and businessman Paulo Leman.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on April 29, 2017, 01:06:49 AM
Today, there was a big strike against the pension reform, the labor market reform and the austerity plan.
I was in the rally at downtown Rio de Janeiro. There was some few "black bloc", but most of the demonstrators were peaceful: teachers, students, public emplyees, workers, retired people. The riot police was very violent. We could smell lots of tear gas.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on May 17, 2017, 08:24:18 PM
Breaking news: Michel Temer has been caught on tape asking JBS' CEO Joesley Batista to pay bribes to Eduardo Cunha to avoid a whistleblower agreement from Cunha.

This is the end of Michel Temer. I expect him to resign pretty soon after this.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on May 17, 2017, 10:09:25 PM
Breaking news: Michel Temer has been caught on tape asking JBS' CEO Joesley Batista to pay bribes to Eduardo Cunha to avoid a whistleblower agreement from Cunha.

This is the end of Michel Temer. I expect him to resign pretty soon after this.
JBS is world's largest meat processing group. They bought a lot of companies of meat and they mounted a large business company, including power plants, paper companies and . Aecio Neves, president of PSDB, was taped too, saying that we "need one person (to carry bribe money) that can be killed before doing a plea bargain". Bribe money to PSDB and PMDB were track backed and money was put in a company of senator Zezé Perrella (Aécio's ally).


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Ebsy on May 18, 2017, 02:12:26 AM
Congratulations President Lula!


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: 🦀🎂🦀🎂 on May 18, 2017, 02:40:00 AM
So will Rodrigo Maia be president now?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: TheDeadFlagBlues on May 18, 2017, 03:21:04 AM
2/3rds majority makes it hard for Impeachment to be completely baseless. I don't think that this will become a trend if there isn't cause for it.

All Brazilian politicians are corrupt - Dilma's VP and likely successor is by any standard clearly worse on this score than she is - which means that 'cause' can always be found. This kind of behavior can become addictive and cause serious damage to institutions.

no one saw this coming!!


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on May 18, 2017, 06:38:45 AM
So will Rodrigo Maia be president now?

If (when, IMO) Temer resigns, Congress will have to hold an unicameral session to elect a stopgap President in 30 days. Until then, Rodrigo Maia would be the acting President.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on May 18, 2017, 08:23:39 AM
Ibovespa has gone into circuit breaker mode for the 1st time since the 2008 crisis. Ouch, the recession is back. This is the perfect storm.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Zioneer on May 18, 2017, 11:53:18 AM
Breaking news: Michel Temer has been caught on tape asking JBS' CEO Joesley Batista to pay bribes to Eduardo Cunha to avoid a whistleblower agreement from Cunha.

This is the end of Michel Temer. I expect him to resign pretty soon after this.
Jeez, Brazil is going through presidents like flies. I guess for lack of a better option, Lula would probably be best, right?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Nhoj on May 18, 2017, 12:00:36 PM
Breaking news: Michel Temer has been caught on tape asking JBS' CEO Joesley Batista to pay bribes to Eduardo Cunha to avoid a whistleblower agreement from Cunha.

This is the end of Michel Temer. I expect him to resign pretty soon after this.
Jeez, Brazil is going through presidents like flies. I guess for lack of a better option, Lula would probably be best, right?
This might happen to us within a few weeks...


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on May 18, 2017, 12:08:42 PM
Breaking news: Michel Temer has been caught on tape asking JBS' CEO Joesley Batista to pay bribes to Eduardo Cunha to avoid a whistleblower agreement from Cunha.

This is the end of Michel Temer. I expect him to resign pretty soon after this.
Jeez, Brazil is going through presidents like flies. I guess for lack of a better option, Lula would probably be best, right?

Lula will be lucky if he isn't in jail by the end of the month.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Mike88 on May 18, 2017, 12:44:15 PM
Breaking news: Michel Temer has been caught on tape asking JBS' CEO Joesley Batista to pay bribes to Eduardo Cunha to avoid a whistleblower agreement from Cunha.

This is the end of Michel Temer. I expect him to resign pretty soon after this.
Jeez, Brazil is going through presidents like flies. I guess for lack of a better option, Lula would probably be best, right?

Lula will be lucky if he isn't in jail by the end of the month.
Lula is just as corrupt as Temer. His name is also involved, here in Portugal, in the corruption case against former PM José Sócrates. Brasil has a real problem right now... Of the potential candidates for 2018, the vast majority is involved in corruption cases. I think Marina Silva is involved in something also, i recall reading something about it.

Frankly i don't know who can really lead Brasil right now or in the near future. :(


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: EnglishPete on May 18, 2017, 12:53:29 PM
So will Rodrigo Maia be president now?

If (when, IMO) Temer resigns, Congress will have to hold an unicameral session to elect a stopgap President in 30 days. Until then, Rodrigo Maia would be the acting President.
Who is likely to be elected as stopgap President?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on May 18, 2017, 01:16:51 PM
So will Rodrigo Maia be president now?

If (when, IMO) Temer resigns, Congress will have to hold an unicameral session to elect a stopgap President in 30 days. Until then, Rodrigo Maia would be the acting President.
Who is likely to be elected as stopgap President?

That is one terrifying question because we don't even know how this indirect election would happen. According to the Constitution, a federal law should regulate this election and who can run for the presidency under such a scenario. However, this law has never been passed by the Congress (even though our Constitution turns 30 next year and there was plenty of time to do this earlier...), so it's highly likely that the Congress will have to come up with ad hoc rules (probably based on the rules applicable to normal elections) and that the whole process will be under intense scrutiny from the Supreme Court.

If I'm correct on my prediction about the rules which would be applied under such a scenario, then no independent would be able to run, as party affiliation is a requisite of eligibility in Brazil. Also, sitting Governors, Mayors, Ministers, Executive and Judicial office holders would be barred from running. That would eliminate some candidates like Gov. Geraldo Alckmin (PSDB/SP), Mayor João Doria (PSDB/SP) and Supreme Court President Carmen Lucia (Ind/MG).

Among the names who have been floated since yesterday there's Former Supreme Court Judge and Justice and Defence Minister Nelson Jobim (PMDB/RS), who worked with both FHC and Lula and could be seen as an "elder statesman" to guide the Country until 2018. Finance Minister Henrique Meirelles (PSD/SP) has been mentioned by many people and would be the preferred solution of the markets, however I have doubts about his eligibility because he's currently a Minister. Believe it or not, even FHC was brought up, but his staff claims he's not interested (and I really don't think he'd be willing to take the job when he's about to turn 86...). I wouldn't rule out Rodrigo Maia being elected by his own peers to fill out the term, though.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on May 18, 2017, 01:39:11 PM
Temer is resigning-- already (http://noblat.oglobo.globo.com/meus-textos/noticia/2017/05/temer-decidiu-renunciar.html?utm_source=notificacao-geral&utm_medium=notificacao-browser&utm_campaign=O%20Globol)?! I can't believe it, but I envy Brazil's politics right now.

Fora Temer! Fora Trump!


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on May 18, 2017, 01:51:10 PM
The chances of this guy becoming President just shot up.

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But ideally someone like Joaquim Barbosa will be selected.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: kyc0705 on May 18, 2017, 02:23:53 PM
The House of Cards twitter account has a few words on this matter: https://twitter.com/HouseofCards/status/864992970994368512


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on May 18, 2017, 02:26:16 PM
Temer has just denied he's resigning. However, the tapes will probably be made public very soon (perhaps today) and there's no way he'll survive to that.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on May 18, 2017, 02:38:51 PM
Temer has just denied he's resigning. However, the tapes will probably be made public very soon (perhaps today) and there's no way he'll survive to that.

Temer must be listening to this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm6PAYYsH9M) right now.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Edu on May 18, 2017, 04:26:54 PM
To find out that a South American country is corrupt to it's bones isn't really noteworthy.

What I think it's interesting here is that these Lula-Dilma-Temer-Whoever corruptions are actually resulting in some real life political consequences instead of corrupt people carrying off business as usual.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on May 18, 2017, 10:10:04 PM
The chances of this guy becoming President just shot up.

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But ideally someone like Joaquim Barbosa will be selected.
This guy is the Commander of Brazilian Army, general Vilas Boas. But they will trying someone from justice. Marina Silva is openly courting members of justice system to get along her.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on May 19, 2017, 08:58:16 PM
So the tapes were released, and though they were damaging, they just didn't damage Temer enough to force him to resign immediately. Anyway, he's still hanging by a thread and many parties could abandon him this weekend. That would make his situation untenable.

The key factor here is what PSDB will do, as Temer has no shot of surviving without them. My gut feeling is that they'll throw both Temer and Aecio under the bus ASAP, otherwise the party will be obliterated next year (just like PT last year).


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on May 23, 2017, 11:27:44 AM
It's been 6 days since the scandal started and Temer is still trying to survive, claiming the tape recorded against him was tampered. This hardly matters, though, because he still confessed he had a secret meeting with a notoriously corrupt businessman who told him about bribing judges and prosecutors.

Many impeachment requests have already been filed to the presidency of the Chamber of Deputies. However, they have been put on hold by Rodrigo Maia, who's been quietly waiting to see what Temer will do. He knows that if Temer falls, he'll be the next in line, at least for 30 days (and many believe, like me, that he'd be a strong candidate, possibly a consensus candidate, in the indirect election).

There are 2 factors right now which have to be taken into account.

The 1st one is that Temer knows he has no base anymore and just doesn't resign because he knows he could go to jail quickly if he does so, thus it's been reported that Temer would be willing to resign once his succession is arranged and with the promise that his successor would pardon him (his successor probably won't probably run for reelection in 2018, so he/she should be unafraid of impersonating Gerald Ford).

The 2nd one is that the Dilma-Temer presidential ticket will be judged by the Superior Electoral Court (TSE) on June 6th, and it's likely that TSE will declare the 2014 election null due to the fact that Dilma-Temer got tons of money for their campaign from bribes, collected through (apparently) legal and totally illegal donations. If TSE does this, it'll hardly matter if Temer resigns or not, he'll be out of office soon. He could still appeal to the Supreme Court to try to gain time, but such an appeal will be doomed to failure. All that being said, get ready, because it's likely that Brazil will have it's first indirect presidential election since 1985.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on May 24, 2017, 01:55:21 PM
Rioters set fire to the Agriculture Ministry building:

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Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on May 25, 2017, 01:48:28 PM
Brazil's bar association (OAB) has just filed articles of impeachment against Temer. This is relevant because it was OAB that started Collor's impeachment, and is also relevant because Dilma's impeachment gained steam after OAB endorsed it. Thus, while Rodrigo Maia may dismiss some other articles of impeachment as weak, it'll be hard for him to ignore this one. My bet is that if TSE doesn't take Temer down early next month Maia will start impeachment proceedings against Temer soon after.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Rocky Rockefeller on May 28, 2017, 01:32:43 PM
Temer lost the support of 4 more parties the parties are:

Brazilian Socialist Party (PSB)
Popular Socialist Party (PPS)
Podemos (Formerly PTN)
Humanist Solidarity Party (PHS)


Together the 4 parties have 66 deputies.

How close does that put him to a potential impeachment?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: 🦀🎂🦀🎂 on May 28, 2017, 02:27:04 PM
how are PSDB dealing with Neves?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: mvd10 on May 28, 2017, 02:33:23 PM
Temer lost the support of 4 more parties the parties are:

Brazilian Socialist Party (PSB)
Popular Socialist Party (PPS)
Podemos (Formerly PTN)
Humanist Solidarity Party (PHS)


Together the 4 parties have 66 deputies.

These are pretty hilarious names for pro-Temer parties.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on May 28, 2017, 05:09:16 PM
Temer lost the support of 4 more parties the parties are:

Brazilian Socialist Party (PSB)
Popular Socialist Party (PPS)
Podemos (Formerly PTN)
Humanist Solidarity Party (PHS)


Together the 4 parties have 66 deputies.

These are pretty hilarious names for pro-Temer parties.
PTN and PHS are small "rent parties" that supports who pays better them. They grow a lot after 2016. In Brazil, many congressman go from large parties to small parties to control state sections to have control over coalitions and party funds. PPS is a joke socialist party (one congressman of them is the reporter of Retirement reform), while PSB became a bizarre thing during Campos era (ultraconservatives like Paulo Bornhausen and Heráclito Fortes are in, but they have a good progressive faction, like senators da Mata and Capiberibe).


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on May 30, 2017, 03:54:12 PM
Temer lost the support of 4 more parties the parties are:

Brazilian Socialist Party (PSB)
Popular Socialist Party (PPS)
Podemos (Formerly PTN)
Humanist Solidarity Party (PHS)


Together the 4 parties have 66 deputies.

These are pretty hilarious names for pro-Temer parties.

Party names in Brazil and Portugal tend to be confusing.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Mike88 on May 30, 2017, 05:31:13 PM
Temer lost the support of 4 more parties the parties are:

Brazilian Socialist Party (PSB)
Popular Socialist Party (PPS)
Podemos (Formerly PTN)
Humanist Solidarity Party (PHS)


Together the 4 parties have 66 deputies.

These are pretty hilarious names for pro-Temer parties.

Party names in Brazil and Portugal tend to be confusing.
I think Brazil beats us in that category. ;)


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on May 30, 2017, 06:02:44 PM
Temer lost the support of 4 more parties the parties are:

Brazilian Socialist Party (PSB)
Popular Socialist Party (PPS)
Podemos (Formerly PTN)
Humanist Solidarity Party (PHS)


Together the 4 parties have 66 deputies.

These are pretty hilarious names for pro-Temer parties.

Party names in Brazil and Portugal tend to be confusing.
I think Brazil beats us in that category. ;)

Well, your main right-wing party is called Social Democratic, which is funny, but yes, Brazil does it to the extreme ;)


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on May 31, 2017, 02:33:54 PM
Temer lost the support of 4 more parties the parties are:

Brazilian Socialist Party (PSB)
Popular Socialist Party (PPS)
Podemos (Formerly PTN)
Humanist Solidarity Party (PHS)


Together the 4 parties have 66 deputies.

These are pretty hilarious names for pro-Temer parties.

Party names in Brazil and Portugal tend to be confusing.
I think Brazil beats us in that category. ;)

Well, your main right-wing party is called Social Democratic, which is funny, but yes, Brazil does it to the extreme ;)

Actually, calling PSDB a right-wing party is quite a stretch.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on May 31, 2017, 02:57:11 PM
1.500 soldiers arrived in Brasilia to reinforce the security, the Military Police estimated 35.000 people protesting at it's peak and the CUT estimated 200.000 people during all the day, ministries buildings have been targets of vandalism. 7 people were jailed and 49 injured.

The CUT launched the #, "#OcupaBrasilia" (#OccupyBrasilia)

The chances of this guy becoming President just shot up.

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But ideally someone like Joaquim Barbosa will be selected.

He is denying there will be any military intervention almost every other day now. To me, the increasing frequency of such statements closely mimics the pattern that of the Thai army's similar assurances that they wouldn't stage a coup, which both became more frequent and increasingly ambiguous over time, and we all know how that ended.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Mike88 on May 31, 2017, 04:46:35 PM
Temer lost the support of 4 more parties the parties are:

Brazilian Socialist Party (PSB)
Popular Socialist Party (PPS)
Podemos (Formerly PTN)
Humanist Solidarity Party (PHS)


Together the 4 parties have 66 deputies.

These are pretty hilarious names for pro-Temer parties.

Party names in Brazil and Portugal tend to be confusing.
I think Brazil beats us in that category. ;)

Well, your main right-wing party is called Social Democratic, which is funny, but yes, Brazil does it to the extreme ;)

Actually, calling PSDB a right-wing party is quite a stretch.

Even Lula and FHC already said that it isn't right wing.
I believe Kalwejt was referring to the Portuguese PSD but talking about the PSDB, how does the party position itself? The PT is the main center-left party, PMDB is a catch all party from the left to right... and PSDB? A moderate centrist party which sometimes leans left or right?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on May 31, 2017, 05:14:47 PM
Is the phrase "a party of the right-wing, not a right-wing party" still accurate?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on May 31, 2017, 05:55:09 PM
Well, I may be wrong. I just have some problems seeing PSDB as centre-left or simply centre. Maybe I'm not familiar enough with Brazilian context.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Mike88 on May 31, 2017, 07:20:24 PM
Well, I may be wrong. I just have some problems seeing PSDB as centre-left or simply centre. Maybe I'm not familiar enough with Brazilian context.
The military dictatorship had it's toll in the political thinking of the Brazilian society, in my opinion. As i understand, there's a bit of right-wing trauma where people on the right or liberal conservatives are a bit embarrassed to admit what they believe in. The same happened in Portugal after the 25th April and even today there's a bit anti-rightwing, anti-liberal speech here and people just don't say what they really think. That's one of the reasons the political parties names are so weird.

As i understand, by what Yankee said, the PSDB is the anti-PT party. It doesn't matter if they are center-left, center or center-right, they aggregate many groups of different political views that have one thing in common: they're distrust of PT. In politics, that's enough.

Also, i find it fascinating the similarities between the PSDB and the early PSD in the 70's. In 1976, the PSD also applied for the Socialist International but the PS block it. Because of this decision, Sá Carneiro, the founder of the PSD, swung to right and that shift to the right was cemented during the Cavaco Silva years between 1985 and 1995. Interesting. :)


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on June 05, 2017, 06:22:16 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/brazils-president-gets-police-questions-corruption-probe-230303800.html

Quote
SAO PAULO (AP) — Brazilian media are reporting that the country's federal police have asked embattled President Michel Temer 84 questions related to an investigation of corruption allegations against him...

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Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on June 05, 2017, 10:10:21 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/brazils-president-gets-police-questions-corruption-probe-230303800.html

Quote
SAO PAULO (AP) — Brazilian media are reporting that the country's federal police have asked embattled President Michel Temer 84 questions related to an investigation of corruption allegations against him...

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Temer is getting better than Lula that was ilegally conducted to police questioning without being asked first to go to police.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on June 08, 2017, 03:14:10 PM
Yesterday, former Speaker of Chamber of Deputies and former Minister of Tourism Henrique Eduardo Alves (PMDB-RN), one of top allies of Michel Temer, was arrested for charges of receiving bribes from building of World Cup Arena in Natal (RN) and for sharing a bribe account with his sucessor as speaker, the already jailed Eduardo Cunha. He'll join Cunha and Rodrigo Rocha Loures (boy who received a bribe bag from JBS) in jail. Things are going to be very ugly for Temer and his gang.
While that Temer is in troubles for lying about a flight going to a business forum (owned by São Paulo's mayor João Doria) in a plane owned by Joesley Batista, JBS owner who delated him. He said that he used a Air Force Plane, but flight reports showed that he went in Batista's plane and his wife received flowers from Batista.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on June 09, 2017, 04:29:20 PM
What would happen if the election were "nullified"?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Paleobrazilian on June 09, 2017, 04:49:03 PM
What would happen if the election were "nullified"?

An indirect election would be held by the Congress to elect a stopgap President to finish Dilma's/Temer's term.

But the election won't be declared null it seems. The judges of the Supreme Electoral Court are acting like Temer puppets.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on June 09, 2017, 04:54:10 PM
What would happen if the election were "nullified"?

An indirect election would be held by the Congress to elect a stopgap President to finish Dilma's/Temer's term.

But the election won't be declared null it seems. The judges of the Supreme Electoral Court are acting like Temer puppets.

Thanks.

Edit: Btw, who would be President/act as President between nullification and congressional election?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on June 13, 2017, 12:54:49 PM
PSDB decided to stay in Temer's government. Many say that main reason behind it is that PSDB wants PMDB support in 2018 and PSDB fears that Aecio can lose PMDB's support in Senate Ethics Committee.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on June 29, 2017, 06:21:34 PM
1.500 soldiers arrived in Brasilia to reinforce the security, the Military Police estimated 35.000 people protesting at it's peak and the CUT estimated 200.000 people during all the day, ministries buildings have been targets of vandalism. 7 people were jailed and 49 injured.

The CUT launched the #, "#OcupaBrasilia" (#OccupyBrasilia)

The chances of this guy becoming President just shot up.

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But ideally someone like Joaquim Barbosa will be selected.

He is denying there will be any military intervention almost every other day now. To me, the increasing frequency of such statements closely mimics the pattern that of the Thai army's similar assurances that they wouldn't stage a coup, which both became more frequent and increasingly ambiguous over time, and we all know how that ended.

Villas Boas: Army is in state of "shock, consternation, and concern" (http://politica.estadao.com.br/noticias/geral,clima-no-exercito-e-de-consternacao-choque-e-preocupacao-diz-villas-boas,70001812265)

Villas Boas: Armed Forces are most trusted institution because of "values, ethics, and traditions" (https://www.brasil247.com/pt/247/brasil/303002/General-celebra-confian%C3%A7a-da-popula%C3%A7%C3%A3o-nas-For%C3%A7as-Armadas.htm), celebrates opinion poll showing 84% trust in military while presidency is trusted by just 3%

Imagine if Joseph Dunford were to talk in this manner with the background of everything that's been happening to Trump right now. We'd find that very odd, right?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on July 01, 2017, 06:06:53 PM
Yesterday was a great day for Temer's allies: Aecio Neves (PSDB-MG) got back right to serve in Senate after a decision of Minister Marco Aurelio Mello (Collor's cousin) while Rodrigo Rocha Loures (PMDB-PR), known as Temer's "bag man" who carried JBS bribe money for Temer was released by Minister Edson Fachin.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: 🦀🎂🦀🎂 on July 12, 2017, 03:14:47 PM
Lula has been convinced and sentenced to nine and a half years in the slammer.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Ebsy on July 12, 2017, 03:40:49 PM
Lula has been convinced and sentenced to nine and a half years in the slammer.
Great typo.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: jaichind on July 12, 2017, 06:52:31 PM
Lula will appeal.  If he wins his appeal before the race begins I guess he can still run.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on July 12, 2017, 08:17:11 PM
I just love the contrast between punishment received by right-wing and left-wing politicians in Brazil...


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on July 12, 2017, 09:38:53 PM
Lula was sentenced in a very low court. Since he was sentenced less than 20 years, he will be allowed to appeal free. He will be judged by a higher court. Only if he is sentenced for the second time, he will go to the prision and he will be not able to run. But the election will take place in October 2018. Usually, a higher court take one and a half year. Probably the trial will not be ready in August 2018, when the campaign starts, and so he will problably be able to run.
Sergio Moro, the judge who sentenced Lula today, has close ties to the PSDB, Lula's first enemy. The evidence that Lula owned a flat gave as a gift by a building contractor is very weak. Problably, Lula will receive a smaller sentence by a higher court.

Problably Lula will be allowed to run. But since he was sentenced, his image becomes very bad. I think it will be better if the center-left candidate is Ciro Gomes or Fernando Haddad.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Different Republican on July 13, 2017, 05:15:45 PM
I'm not actually that surprised by the fact that Lula was sentenced by Moro... I mean, if you thought that Lula wasn't going to be sentenced, well... Then I don't know what you were thinking...

I'm not sure of what PT will do if Lula can't run, but I'd expect Gomes to do much better.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Kingpoleon on July 14, 2017, 11:44:55 PM
Sarney Filho is probably my preferred candidate. Is there much of a chance of him running for President?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Different Republican on July 15, 2017, 10:34:06 AM
Sarney Filho is probably my preferred candidate. Is there much of a chance of him running for President?

Probably not... I didn't find anything that could hint about him running in the internet...


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: RodPresident on July 15, 2017, 09:26:50 PM
Temer's criminal procedure report made by congressman Sergio Zveiter (PMDB-RJ) was rejected in Committee of Constitutional Affairs and Justice of Chamber by 41-20 vote. Another report, against indictment, was made by Paulo Abi-Ackel (PSDB-MG), consecrating Aecio-Temer alliance for survival. Of six PSDB members in committee, only two voted for Temer. From Maia's DEM, 3 voted against indictment and one voted for. Government's ally parties (PMDB, PTB, PR, PSD, PP) changed members to defeat Zveiter's report. Government freed a lot of money to buy support.
Lula's sentence and Temer's victor were a cover up after a labor reform was approved by Senate without ammendments.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on August 04, 2017, 10:12:31 PM
Temer's criminal procedure was not approved by the House. 263 deputies rejected the accusation, 227 approved, so, Temer will not be trialed by the Supreme Court during the term.

Yesterday, Temer proposed that the Congress should aprove a constitutional amendment to introduce a parliamentary system, in order to replace the presidential system. It looks like a preventive coup. The center-right has no strong candidate for the 2018 presidential election. The favorites are Lula da Silva (center-left), Marina Silva (center) and Jair Bolsonaro (far right). So, the introduction of a parliamentary system would eliminate the presidential election.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Simfan34 on August 08, 2017, 01:34:38 PM
Hasn't the PSDB been for parliamentarism for decades, and wasn't it tried briefly in the 1960/70s under the military government?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on August 12, 2017, 11:45:40 AM
Parliamentary system was briefly tried between 1961 and 1963. When president Jânio Quadros resigned, João Goulart was the vice president. But since he was considered too leftist, there was a semi-coup in 1961. The military made the Congress approve an Amendment introducing the parliamentary system, in order to remove the power from João Goulart. Tancredo Neves, who was more conservative than João Goulart, became prime minister. Then, there was a plebiscite in January 1963. The presidential system had 80% of the vote and João Goulart became a de-facto president. But in April 1964, he was removed by a military coup, which introduced the dictatorship for the following 20 years.

In 1993, 8 years after the redemocratization, there was a plebiscite again. And the presidential system won again. PSDB, who was founded in 1988, supported the parliamentary and lost.

If the supporters of the parliamentary want do discuss this topic again, OK, we can talk about a plebiscite again after the 2018 election. But discuss parliamentary only because Lula is leading the polls looks like a preventive coup.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on August 12, 2017, 11:48:05 AM
This week, the conservative majority in the Congress voted for the "distritão" to replace the proportional election system.

Nowadays, the Brazilian Congress is elected through na open list proportional system. According to the "distritão", each state will elect the representatives who have more votes, no matter the parties.

"Distritão" is much worse than open-list proportional, closed-list proportional, FPTP and mixed German system


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Lord Halifax on August 20, 2017, 05:20:23 PM
This week, the conservative majority in the Congress voted for the "distritão" to replace the proportional election system.

Nowadays, the Brazilian Congress is elected through na open list proportional system. According to the "distritão", each state will elect the representatives who have more votes, no matter the parties.

"Distritão" is much worse than open-list proportional, closed-list proportional, FPTP and mixed German system

So if the state has 15 seats the 15 candidates with the most personal votes are elected? No list votes?


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: brucejoel99 on August 21, 2017, 03:20:02 PM
This week, the conservative majority in the Congress voted for the "distritão" to replace the proportional election system.

Nowadays, the Brazilian Congress is elected through na open list proportional system. According to the "distritão", each state will elect the representatives who have more votes, no matter the parties.

"Distritão" is much worse than open-list proportional, closed-list proportional, FPTP and mixed German system

So if the state has 15 seats the 15 candidates with the most personal votes are elected? No list votes?

Correct: under the Distritão, like Brazil's current "proportional" system, every state's an electoral district; there are no geographical subdivisions, so those candidates receiving the most votes statewide are elected. Each state, under the Constitution, has between 8 & 70 federal deputies. The Distritão thus resembles elections for the Senate, where each state has 3 senators, & the candidates w/ the most votes are seated.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Kingpoleon on August 22, 2017, 03:30:02 PM
Lula has been convinced and sentenced to nine and a half years in the slammer.
My people in the Brazilian courts are reporting his convincion (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=convincion) will be overturned.


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: buritobr on September 08, 2017, 01:16:04 PM
The parade of September 7h (Brazilian Independence) in Brasília. The soundtrack choosen by the presidential guard was a very good fit for Temer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7cHZLydSpc


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: Lord Halifax on October 23, 2019, 06:57:25 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/23/amazon-rainforest-close-to-irreversible-tipping-point (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/23/amazon-rainforest-close-to-irreversible-tipping-point)

"Soaring deforestation coupled with the destructive policies of Brazil’s far-right president, Jair Bolsonaro, could push the Amazon rainforest dangerously to an irreversible “tipping point” within two years, a prominent economist has said.

After this point the rainforest would stop producing enough rain to sustain itself and start slowly degrading into a drier savannah, releasing billions of tonnes of carbon into the atmosphere, which would exacerbate global heating and disrupt weather across South America."


Title: Re: The Great Brazil Topic
Post by: CumbrianLefty on October 24, 2019, 09:02:28 AM
".......BUT WE MAXIMISED REVENUE FOR SHAREHOLDERS!!"