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Title: Maine results thread.
Post by: tpfkaw on February 09, 2012, 12:06:27 PM
Might as well start this early.

Here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjQBwcCtzwG8dEdGUWZjS1FwTW8wTzVyOEJ6dmg4cHc&authkey=CKT21ZkH&hl=en_US#gid=1) are some early leaked results according to WatchTheVote (Paul supporters who report the vote totals in their precinct, so I can't vouch for its accuracy, but they were the ones who figured out Santorum beat Romney in IA).

Image of the summary if you don't have a Google account:

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Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2012, 12:11:20 PM
Awesome! Assuming turn-out is down from 2008 again (which is likely), that's probably something like 10-20% of the vote already.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on February 09, 2012, 12:53:16 PM
Looks like I need to change my prediction for Maine to a Romney win.   For obvious reasons, the Paul numbers will be inflated because of the source of which precincts are reported.  The only question is 30% or 40%.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Rules for me, but not for thee on February 09, 2012, 01:58:34 PM
Looks like I need to change my prediction for Maine to a Romney win.   For obvious reasons, the Paul numbers will be inflated because of the source of which precincts are reported.  The only question is 30% or 40%.

Haters gonna hate.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: TheGlobalizer on February 09, 2012, 04:23:38 PM
Looks like I need to change my prediction for Maine to a Romney win.   For obvious reasons, the Paul numbers will be inflated because of the source of which precincts are reported.  The only question is 30% or 40%.

Haters gonna hate.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on February 09, 2012, 04:40:49 PM
Not a hater, but there is an obvious self-selection bias at work here that makes the numbers useful for gauging the relative strengths of the other candidates, but will inflate Paul's results.  Paul's only chance of winning Maine would appear to be that the Santorum surge takes more Romney supporters with it than Paul supporters, and that it be large enough to affect the outcome.  The first is likely true, but I am doubtful of the second.  I won't be shocked if Paul takes Maine, but I will be surprised, and pleasantly so.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 09, 2012, 08:49:02 PM
Santorum will probably surge in Saturday's voting. Should be enough to keep the winner under 40%, I hope.

If Paul loses Maine, does he win any state?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2012, 08:57:27 PM
Santorum will probably surge in Saturday's voting. Should be enough to keep the winner under 40%, I hope.

If Paul loses Maine, does he win any state?

WA, AK, and ND remain possibilities. Montana would also be a prime opportunity if it were still a caucus this year. He'll probably get a strong second in Idaho, but the Mormons there should put Mitt over the top.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Free Palestine on February 09, 2012, 08:57:43 PM
This is happening today?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 09, 2012, 08:58:31 PM
Santorum will probably surge in Saturday's voting. Should be enough to keep the winner under 40%, I hope.

If Paul loses Maine, does he win any state?

Won't he have shot in your state? He almost won there in 2008.

He's got a shot, but don't underestimate the WSRP's ability to massage the results. Also, don't underestimate the number of evangelicals in the state party; Robertson won here in 1988 after all.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2012, 09:00:09 PM
Yeah, they basically cancelled the caucuses in 2008 when it looked like he was going to win, IIRC.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Eraserhead on February 09, 2012, 09:00:29 PM

It's been happening over several days. The official results are supposed to be released Saturday.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Free Palestine on February 09, 2012, 09:02:26 PM

Its been happening over several days. The official results are supposed to be released Saturday.

Well that's interesting.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on February 09, 2012, 09:02:47 PM

It's an ongoing caucus that started I believe last Saturday and ends this Saturday, February 11.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2012, 09:03:29 PM
It actually started in January and will last until March 3rd in some places, but the straw poll results will be announced Saturday at 7:30 PM EST.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 09, 2012, 09:06:15 PM
He'll probably get a strong second in Idaho, but the Mormons there should put Mitt over the top.

Mormons will probably be a majority of the vote in the Idaho caucus.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2012, 09:09:59 PM
He'll probably get a strong second in Idaho, but the Mormons there should put Mitt over the top.

Mormons will probably be a majority of the vote in the Idaho caucus.

Yeah, luckily Idaho is proportional, so Paul will still get some delegates at least.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 10, 2012, 12:09:58 AM

It's an ongoing caucus that started I believe last Saturday and ends this Saturday, February 11.


It actually started in January and will last until March 3rd in some places, but the straw poll results will be announced Saturday at 7:30 PM EST.


They merely encouraged places to vote between last Saturday and this Saturday, but some places didn't follow their advice. If Saturday's result is close, that means that the final actual result could be different.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 10, 2012, 12:24:16 AM
So far, Paul is doing better in the counties the website's reported that Romney won in 2008.  Although, they may be cherrypicking results, so...


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 10, 2012, 11:28:29 AM
I'm in DC with my phone, and the reception is terrible, so websites with images kill my battery... Can somebody post an update or a link to the googledoc?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: argentarius on February 10, 2012, 01:00:40 PM
I'm in DC with my phone, and the reception is terrible, so websites with images kill my battery... Can somebody post an update or a link to the googledoc?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?authkey=CKT21ZkH&hl=en_US&key=0AjQBwcCtzwG8dEdGUWZjS1FwTW8wTzVyOEJ6dmg4cHc&toomany=true#gid=1

Not much more since the start of the thread. The best thing about Maine is that Paul gets 2 weeks in which he won the last contest if he wins it.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Rules for me, but not for thee on February 10, 2012, 01:05:11 PM
Speaking of which, Fox News cancelled Freedom Watch.  Could Napolitano be picked for Paul's VP?  I think it would be a good choice.  Or at least get him appointed to the Supreme Court if Paul did pull it all off.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: TheGlobalizer on February 10, 2012, 01:30:30 PM
Speaking of which, Fox News cancelled Freedom Watch.  Could Napolitano be picked for Paul's VP?  I think it would be a good choice.  Or at least get him appointed to the Supreme Court if Paul did pull it all off.

Napolitano is overrated by libertarians.  I like the guy but he's a lightweight judge.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Averroës Nix on February 10, 2012, 01:43:50 PM
Speaking of which, Fox News cancelled Freedom Watch.  Could Napolitano be picked for Paul's VP?  I think it would be a good choice. 

Yeah, about as good a choice for VP as John Stossel, Drew Carey, or the guy who pumps my gas.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Minnesota Mike on February 10, 2012, 02:31:35 PM
He'll probably get a strong second in Idaho, but the Mormons there should put Mitt over the top.

Mormons will probably be a majority of the vote in the Idaho caucus.

Yeah, luckily Idaho is proportional, so Paul will still get some delegates at least.

Idaho is Winner Take All if anyone gets over 50% of the national delegates, which IMO is likely given Idaho's system of multiple voting rounds at the county level until one person gets all the county delegates.

http://www.idaho-republican-caucus.com/caucus-rules.html


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: argentarius on February 10, 2012, 04:04:49 PM
Aroostook came in on watchthevote, so now it's 48-33 Paul.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: tpfkaw on February 10, 2012, 04:48:02 PM
Paulmentum!

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Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P! on February 10, 2012, 05:00:34 PM

IIRC the last two (and largest two) counties coming in were stronger for Romney and weaker for Paul than the rest, so this should be quite a bit closer than +15% Paul

Then again, a lot of these towns have lower turnout, and Paul is beating Romney in some towns where he was creamed last time, so we'll see.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 10, 2012, 05:03:54 PM
Do we have any idea of what percentage of the vote this represents so far? When I did a similar thing for the Nevada caucuses, in the end I only got about 10 or 15% of the total vote, but the final percentages were fairly similar.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: tpfkaw on February 10, 2012, 05:04:31 PM
Yeah, unfortunately an extrapolation from Aroostook and Knox looks like a 3-5 pt Romney victory statewide, so we'll have to bank on poor turnout and/or bigger Paul gains downstate.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: argentarius on February 10, 2012, 05:06:45 PM

IIRC the last two (and largest two) counties coming in were stronger for Romney and weaker for Paul than the rest, so this should be quite a bit closer than +15% Paul

Then again, a lot of these towns have lower turnout, and Paul is beating Romney in some towns where he was creamed last time, so we'll see.
York (and Cumberland, many voters there) were very good for Romney, neither were good at all in Washington county, which McCain won.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: argentarius on February 10, 2012, 05:15:59 PM
Yeah, unfortunately an extrapolation from Aroostook and Knox looks like a 3-5 pt Romney victory statewide, so we'll have to bank on poor turnout and/or bigger Paul gains downstate.
It looks to me like a 2 point win, but as we saw in Nevada Paul did worse in many parts of Nevada but still increased his vote by 5%. Infact, extrapolating from Knox or Kennebec gives a Romney win, but I think pretty much every other one gives a Paul win.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P! on February 10, 2012, 05:50:00 PM

IIRC the last two (and largest two) counties coming in were stronger for Romney and weaker for Paul than the rest, so this should be quite a bit closer than +15% Paul

Then again, a lot of these towns have lower turnout, and Paul is beating Romney in some towns where he was creamed last time, so we'll see.
York (and Cumberland, many voters there) were very good for Romney, neither were good at all in Washington county, which McCain won.


Well, lets compare to 2008:

http://liveweb.archive.org/http://mysite.verizon.net/mark.j.ellis/Caucus%20Tally%20Report.pdf

-Paul won Aroostook, the northernmost county, by 8 votes (48-41). According to the list, he's now leading Romney 81-26 there, which is a pretty huge change (and implies that Paul is using GOTV much better than Romney)

-Romney won Knox 144-58 (McCain 74) in 08. Right now, Paul is narrowly winning 98-96 (32 Santorum).

-Kennebec was won by Romney, 178-112 (65 McCain). Presently, its at 40-29 Paul.

so, assuming this list is mostly correct, Paul is more likely than not going to beat Romney by a mid-range to wide margin. Still, its possible the last precincts will be more pro-Romney than the rest (most of the precincts in are from the Paul friendly north), which could close things up.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Eraserhead on February 10, 2012, 08:27:29 PM
Drudge's headline is "Ron Paul weekend?", links to this story:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/10/us-usa-campaign-paul-idUSTRE8191S120120210

I really, really hope Paul wins this. If he wins here, he will definitely have a shot at grabbing some other states (Washington, Vermont, Montana, etc.) and it will really help to keep the brokered convention momentum rolling. Plus, the guy really does deserve to win something.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 10, 2012, 09:13:48 PM
Paul's had gains from 2008.  I think it'll go for Paul.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Averroës Nix on February 10, 2012, 10:48:06 PM
Good that Paul supporters are keeping track of this. Now we can know for sure how many ballots have been thrown into the Penobscot.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Rules for me, but not for thee on February 10, 2012, 10:58:18 PM
Here's the new party platform in Maine voted in by Tea Partiers (:/) and RPers:

http://www.mainepolitics.net/sites/default/files/Maine_GOP_platform.pdf

I'm mostly ok with it except this piece of nonsense:

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Reassert the principle that “Freedom of Religion” does not mean “freedom from religion”.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on February 10, 2012, 11:03:38 PM
Here's the new party platform in Maine voted in by Tea Partiers (:/) and RPers:

http://www.mainepolitics.net/sites/default/files/Maine_GOP_platform.pdf

I'm mostly ok with it except this piece of nonsense:

Quote
Reassert the principle that “Freedom of Religion” does not mean “freedom from religion”.

Don't forget this:

Quote
Marriage is an institution between a man and a woman

But then there's this:

Quote
Congress can no longer vote themselves a pay raise

And this:

Quote
Pass and implement Fed bill #1207 (Introduced by Ron Paul), to Audit the Federal Reserve, as
the first step in Ending the Fed

torn...


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Rules for me, but not for thee on February 10, 2012, 11:18:19 PM
Yeah, iffy on the marriage thing but if it's up to people in Maine, that's their call.

The other two things are very good.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Rules for me, but not for thee on February 10, 2012, 11:36:39 PM
A Daily Pauler in Australia posted these numbers from Google Elections that the US cannot see yet (time-based, lol):

Romney
45.7%
5,489

Gingrich
33.5%
4,022

Paul
10.5%
1,263

Santorum
9.7%
1,165

I really, really doubt those numbers.  Gingrich? Really?  I guess we'll see what the real story is tomorrow.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 10, 2012, 11:37:35 PM
Seeing as a lot of places haven't caucused yet, I rather doubt those numbers as well. Plus, those numbers are way higher than last time. I suppose they could be using a different reporting system, but whatev.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 10, 2012, 11:40:13 PM
A Daily Pauler in Australia posted these numbers from Google Elections that the US cannot see yet (time-based, lol):

Romney
45.7%
5,489

Gingrich
33.5%
4,022

Paul
10.5%
1,263

Santorum
9.7%
1,165

I really, really doubt those numbers.  Gingrich? Really?  I guess we'll see what the real story is tomorrow.

I'm in Australia.  Tell me the URL, and I'll let you know if it's legit.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 10, 2012, 11:42:09 PM
A Daily Pauler in Australia posted these numbers from Google Elections that the US cannot see yet (time-based, lol):

Romney
45.7%
5,489

Gingrich
33.5%
4,022

Paul
10.5%
1,263

Santorum
9.7%
1,165

I really, really doubt those numbers.  Gingrich? Really?  I guess we'll see what the real story is tomorrow.

I'm in Australia.  Tell me the URL, and I'll let you know if it's legit.


I think you can just Google search "Google Politics" and click on results.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Rules for me, but not for thee on February 10, 2012, 11:43:38 PM
Here's the link: http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: tpfkaw on February 10, 2012, 11:44:17 PM
That same thing happened with IA; people on the far side of the world searching for the IA results early saw wacky placeholder results (I think they had Cain in first and Roemer in third, or something like that).


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 10, 2012, 11:45:13 PM
That same thing happened with IA; people on the far side of the world searching for the IA results early saw wacky placeholder results (I think they had Cain in first and Roemer in third, or something like that).

Yeah, AP does that a lot to test their pages. Google probably gets their results from them.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 10, 2012, 11:45:49 PM
Here's the link: http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results


That says:

Quote
Maine Caucus
February 11, 2012
0.0% reporting (0/600)

and there's a Google Maps picture of Maine.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 10, 2012, 11:46:09 PM
Here's an image of the placeholder results:

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EDIT: I checked the AP page and they have test results up. Mystery solved.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P! on February 10, 2012, 11:50:26 PM
Here's an image of the placeholder results:

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EDIT: I checked the AP page and they have test results up. Mystery solved.

If the results actually turn out like this, I'll eat my own socks


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 11, 2012, 04:44:41 AM
So it looks like CNN is actually going to do election night coverage for this, combining it with a report from CPAC and coverage of the straw poll there:

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/10/tune-in-cnn-covers-maine-caucuses-tomorrow-6-p-m-et/


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Eraserhead on February 11, 2012, 05:30:17 AM
So it looks like CNN is actually going to do election night coverage for this, combining it with a report from CPAC and coverage of the straw poll there:

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/10/tune-in-cnn-covers-maine-caucuses-tomorrow-6-p-m-et/


Sounds good.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Tender Branson on February 11, 2012, 06:59:38 AM
I'll skip this, because I simply don't care about Maine ... :P

It's only slightly interesting if Paul wins.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P! on February 11, 2012, 10:02:26 AM
From what I've heard,

-Paul is going to sweep Sanford

-Romney is (probably) going to narrowly win Portland

Knowing that, I'm off to adjust my predictions


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on February 11, 2012, 10:59:35 AM
Here's an image of the placeholder results:

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EDIT: I checked the AP page and they have test results up. Mystery solved.

If the results actually turn out like this, I'll eat my own socks


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on February 11, 2012, 01:01:26 PM
Here's an image of the placeholder results:

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EDIT: I checked the AP page and they have test results up. Mystery solved.

If the results actually turn out like this, I'll eat my own socks

Eat my sock? I couldnt. I would be in a mental state similar to Charlie Manson if those are the results....


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 11, 2012, 01:27:26 PM
Here's a list of caucus times:

http://www.MaineGOP.com/2012/01/maine-g-o-p-2012-caucus-information/

It also says that results will be released at 6:20pm.  Looks like many/most of the caucuses already got started earlier today.  Any interesting results / reports on Twitter from today?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Alcon on February 11, 2012, 03:17:10 PM
Another update from the Paulites, with early Cumberland County looking strong for Romney and Rick Santorum rising modestly in late results:

Paul 433 (43%)
Romney 383 (38%)
Santorum 128 (13%)
Gingrich 64 (6%)
Other 4 (0%)

Of course, this is all ridiculousness and unrepresentative.  I'm still feeling Romney +5.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 11, 2012, 03:19:53 PM
From a Paulite on Twitter:

paul wins androscoggin county! Paul 212, Romney 140, Santorum 130, Gingrich 12 #mecaucus


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Alcon on February 11, 2012, 03:22:28 PM
From a Paulite on Twitter:

paul wins androscoggin county! Paul 212, Romney 140, Santorum 130, Gingrich 12 #mecaucus

Paul got 26% there in 2008, well above his statewide numbers, so not necessarily an amazing sign.  Interestingly, those Santorum numbers are higher than I'd expect (relative to Romney) in Androscoggin.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Averroës Nix on February 11, 2012, 03:25:29 PM
Wow - according to my spreadsheet, turnout in Androscoggin is 184% what it was in '08.  "Complete" totals from Aroostook and Knox on RP-supporter spreadsheet are both down slightly.

EDIT: Funny, Romney goes from winning 52% of Androscoggin in '08 to winning 28% in '12 - with one fewer vote.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Eraserhead on February 11, 2012, 03:26:02 PM
From a Paulite on Twitter:

paul wins androscoggin county! Paul 212, Romney 140, Santorum 130, Gingrich 12 #mecaucus


Great sign for Paul if accurate.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: tpfkaw on February 11, 2012, 03:27:59 PM
Wow - according to my spreadsheet, turnout in Androscoggin is 184% what it was in '08.  "Complete" totals from Aroostook and Knox on RP-supporter spreadsheet are both down slightly.

EDIT: Funny, Romney goes from winning 52% of Androscoggin in '08 to winning 28% in '12 - with one fewer vote.

I'd be more skeptical of Twitter results than spreadsheet results, especially when you have wild swings in turnout like that.  Would be cool though.  Aroostook and Knox probably had some double-counted precincts.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Torie on February 11, 2012, 03:33:56 PM
Where is the Paulite twitter link you guys are plumbing?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Alcon on February 11, 2012, 03:37:09 PM
Where is the Paulite twitter link you guys are plumbing?

It's probably just some dude on Twitter.  The hashtag is #mecaucus (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23mecaucus).  I'm not seeing the tweet in question, though.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 11, 2012, 03:38:20 PM
Here's the tweet:

https://twitter.com/#!/LLStarks/status/168418420495360000 (https://twitter.com/#!/LLStarks/status/168418420495360000)


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Torie on February 11, 2012, 03:38:29 PM
Where is the Paulite twitter link you guys are plumbing?

It's probably just some dude on Twitter.  The hashtag is #mecaucus (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23mecaucus).  I'm not seeing the tweet in question, though.

Thanks.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: tpfkaw on February 11, 2012, 03:42:26 PM
Spreadsheet now has Androscoggin results, looks like the tweet was accurate, but incomplete (and the spreadsheet still says the results are partial!).


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 11, 2012, 03:43:33 PM
The spreadsheet has more updated numbers from Androscoggin with Santorum beating Mitt (Should be Rick's best county).

Paul 262 (41.2%)
Santorum 188 (29.6%)
Romney 173 (27.2%)
Gingrich 13 (2.0%)


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Eraserhead on February 11, 2012, 03:45:23 PM
The spreadsheet has more updated numbers from Androscoggin with Santorum beating Mitt (Should be Rick's best county).

Paul 262
Santorum 188
Romney 173
Gingrich 13

.... wut?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 11, 2012, 03:46:27 PM
The Lewiston area is super working class.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Hash on February 11, 2012, 03:46:37 PM
From a Paulite on Twitter:

paul wins androscoggin county! Paul 212, Romney 140, Santorum 130, Gingrich 12 #mecaucus

Paul got 26% there in 2008, well above his statewide numbers, so not necessarily an amazing sign.  Interestingly, those Santorum numbers are higher than I'd expect (relative to Romney) in Androscoggin.

I don't see why it's surprising that Androscoggin would be strong Frothy-land. He seems like a perfect candidate for a Catholic WWC county like that.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: tpfkaw on February 11, 2012, 03:47:11 PM
Ugh, if Paul wins the media narrative will be all about not-Frothy's* "strong third."

*(don't want to be anti-pro-heterosexual!)


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P! on February 11, 2012, 03:58:58 PM
Remind me, when do the Maine results "officially" start coming in?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: MaxQue on February 11, 2012, 04:00:32 PM
6:20PM, Eastern.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: bgwah on February 11, 2012, 04:11:57 PM
Hmm, haven't changed my predictions since Monday. I'll probably regret that. lol.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 11, 2012, 04:17:26 PM
Androscoggin totals now listed as complete. No change.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 11, 2012, 04:22:32 PM
An update from Cumberland County and York County (with Paul currently up there) puts Santorum at 20% statewide.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P! on February 11, 2012, 04:24:07 PM
The spreadsheet has more updated numbers from Androscoggin with Santorum beating Mitt (Should be Rick's best county).

Paul 262 (41.2%)
Santorum 188 (29.6%)
Romney 173 (27.2%)
Gingrich 13 (2.0%)

Yeah, go Santorum!


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Eraserhead on February 11, 2012, 04:26:37 PM
If Romney came in third, that would just be magical.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: © tweed on February 11, 2012, 04:27:54 PM
Paul now a more than 2:1 favorite to win on Intrade


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: California8429 on February 11, 2012, 04:30:43 PM
Paul now a more than 2:1 favorite to win on Intrade

tell that to Colorado ;)


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on February 11, 2012, 04:52:21 PM
If Romney came in third, that would just be magical.

If that happens, will Politico tell us that Ron Paul is destroying America and that we should support the great Mitt Romney, but that Gingrich and Santorum are the only principled candidates running against Romney?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Beet on February 11, 2012, 04:54:03 PM
Paul is now a 3-to-1 favorite on Intrade


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 11, 2012, 04:57:19 PM
GUYS CALM DOWN.

Let's not psyche ourselves up and get heartbroken. Luckily the Maine GOP was basically taken over by Teabaggers/Paultards last year, so if there's any cheating go on it should be in Paul's favor, for once.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Beet on February 11, 2012, 05:09:11 PM
Paul is now a 4-to-1 favorite on Intrade


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Meeker on February 11, 2012, 05:09:26 PM
So are the results just going to come all at once in one big dump? Pretty anti-climactic but I guess preferable to the Nevada mess.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 11, 2012, 05:11:22 PM
So are the results just going to come all at once in one big dump? Pretty anti-climactic but I guess preferable to the Nevada mess.

Everything except Washington County will come in at once, where the caucuses were pushed back a week due to snow. If it's close, we might not know the winner until next week.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Meeker on February 11, 2012, 05:14:44 PM
So are the results just going to come all at once in one big dump? Pretty anti-climactic but I guess preferable to the Nevada mess.

Everything except Washington County will come in at once, where the caucuses were pushed back a week due to snow. If it's close, we might not know the winner until next week.

oh god I can already see where this is going...


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Eraserhead on February 11, 2012, 05:15:36 PM
So are the results just going to come all at once in one big dump? Pretty anti-climactic but I guess preferable to the Nevada mess.

Everything except Washington County will come in at once, where the caucuses were pushed back a week due to snow. If it's close, we might not know the winner until next week.

F**k that, it better not be that close.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Torie on February 11, 2012, 05:15:48 PM
So are the results just going to come all at once in one big dump? Pretty anti-climactic but I guess preferable to the Nevada mess.

Everything except Washington County will come in at once, where the caucuses were pushed back a week due to snow. If it's close, we might not know the winner until next week.

And somehow I have this instinct that Washington County is Mittens country. It's bucolic, incredibly scenic, probably relatively high income, and well salted with old line Yankees. But it's a caucus so ...

And it's a week later, so the game may be a bit different by then to boot.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 11, 2012, 05:16:44 PM
So are the results just going to come all at once in one big dump? Pretty anti-climactic but I guess preferable to the Nevada mess.

Everything except Washington County will come in at once, where the caucuses were pushed back a week due to snow. If it's close, we might not know the winner until next week.

And somehow I have this instinct that Washington County is Mittens country. It's bucolic, incredibly scenic, probably relatively high income, and well salted with old line Yankees. But it's a caucus so ...

McCain won there last time. It was his only county win in Maine. Romney didn't do too well, but Paul did really poorly.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Torie on February 11, 2012, 05:18:06 PM
So are the results just going to come all at once in one big dump? Pretty anti-climactic but I guess preferable to the Nevada mess.

Everything except Washington County will come in at once, where the caucuses were pushed back a week due to snow. If it's close, we might not know the winner until next week.

And somehow I have this instinct that Washington County is Mittens country. It's bucolic, incredibly scenic, probably relatively high income, and well salted with old line Yankees. But it's a caucus so ...

McCain won there last time. It was his only county win in Maine. Romney didn't do too well, but Paul did really poorly.

Yes, but now Mittens is the "moderate" candidate remember, while he wasn't against McCain. So to a fair degree now McCain = Mittens.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Averroës Nix on February 11, 2012, 05:20:56 PM
It would have to be very close. 113 votes cast in Washington county last time, 2% of the total.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Eraserhead on February 11, 2012, 05:24:20 PM
Drudge says we are getting the results at 6:30 ET, is that accurate?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 11, 2012, 05:24:54 PM
Drudge says we are getting the results at 6:30 ET, is that accurate?

Sounds about right, yeah.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: The Mikado on February 11, 2012, 05:31:01 PM
Drudge says we are getting the results at 6:30 ET, is that accurate?

5:30 p.m. Guests Arrive
6:10 p.m. Event Begins
6:15 p.m. Senator Susan Collins
6:20p.m. Presidential Preference Survey Results


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Niemeyerite on February 11, 2012, 05:38:34 PM
Hopefully, Romney comes a distant 2nd, or even 3rd


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Beet on February 11, 2012, 05:40:58 PM
I don't really understand the Romney-hatred. Back in the Bush days, Democrats were always lamenting the lack of moderate Republicans. Romney is no moderate, but at least he is about as close as we can get in these days.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Alcon on February 11, 2012, 05:43:10 PM
I don't really understand the Romney-hatred.

I think it's pretty clear that people's objections to Romney aren't political so much as personal.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: You kip if you want to... on February 11, 2012, 05:44:08 PM
I don't really understand the Romney-hatred. Back in the Bush days, Democrats were always lamenting the lack of moderate Republicans. Romney is no moderate, but at least he is about as close as we can get in these days.

What makes him a moderate? He's not exactly Chafee or Hagel.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 11, 2012, 05:44:53 PM
There is absolutely nothing moderate about Mitt Romney.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Beet on February 11, 2012, 05:45:38 PM
I don't really understand the Romney-hatred.

I think it's pretty clear that people's objections to Romney aren't political so much as personal.

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Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Torie on February 11, 2012, 05:47:43 PM
I don't really understand the Romney-hatred.

I think it's pretty clear that people's objections to Romney aren't political so much as personal.

It is rather intimidating, because just whom can be as perfect as Romney? Most of us are dissipated sinners who have failed miserably in life by comparison. So we have this sense that Mittens does not respect us, given all of our innumerable character flaws. Mittens may be God, but we suspect somehow that he does not love us. And the thought of a God who does not love us, is really a rather frightening specter, isn't it?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Oakvale on February 11, 2012, 05:53:04 PM
Can someone explain to me what makes Mitt Romney (the 2012 model) any more "moderate" than George W. Bush?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P! on February 11, 2012, 05:53:21 PM
I don't really understand the Romney-hatred.

I think it's pretty clear that people's objections to Romney aren't political so much as personal.

It is rather intimidating, because just whom can be as perfect as Romney? Most of us are dissipated sinners who have failed miserably in life by comparison. So we have this sense that Mittens does not respect us, given all of our innumerable character flaws. Mittens may be God, but we suspect somehow that he does not love us. And the thought of a God who does not love us, is really a rather frightening specter, isn't it?

Looks like Politico has learned how to hack, guys


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Torie on February 11, 2012, 05:56:41 PM
I don't really understand the Romney-hatred.

I think it's pretty clear that people's objections to Romney aren't political so much as personal.

It is rather intimidating, because just whom can be as perfect as Romney? Most of us are dissipated sinners who have failed miserably in life by comparison. So we have this sense that Mittens does not respect us, given all of our innumerable character flaws. Mittens may be God, but we suspect somehow that he does not love us. And the thought of a God who does not love us, is really a rather frightening specter, isn't it?

Looks like Politico has learned how to hack, guys

Politico does not have my sense of poetry in prose I don't think. :P  And the above text has a certain subtlety.  Did you miss that?  :)


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: © tweed on February 11, 2012, 05:56:48 PM
I don't really understand the Romney-hatred. Back in the Bush days, Democrats were always lamenting the lack of moderate Republicans. Romney is no moderate, but at least he is about as close as we can get in these days.

can't speak for everyone, and I was a certified idiot during the Bush days, but this isn't complicated.  Romney is basically a non-ideological candidate (perhaps Bush, as a figurehead for the forces behind him, was more ideological in this sense, or at least he thought he was)... but Romney so represents what is wrong with everything ever, is so intertwined with the private dictatorships that seek to destroy us every day, that he is in fact the living embodiment of these forces, in demonstrable fact as well as aesthetic.  unfortunately it is the latter part of that that makes him such a punching bag (and is also as a result what you seem to be counter-reacting to)


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 11, 2012, 05:57:16 PM
Can someone explain to me what makes Mitt Romney (the 2012 model) any more "moderate" than George W. Bush?

He was vaguely kind of sort of not completely anti-abortion at some point in the almost not that distant past.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Averroës Nix on February 11, 2012, 06:02:20 PM
Torie is right. And that is why Romney must be destroyed.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Thomas D on February 11, 2012, 06:05:59 PM
Name a state the doesn't "Pride itself on it's independence."


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: TheDeadFlagBlues on February 11, 2012, 06:08:26 PM
I don't really understand the Romney-hatred. Back in the Bush days, Democrats were always lamenting the lack of moderate Republicans. Romney is no moderate, but at least he is about as close as we can get in these days.

can't speak for everyone, and I was a certified idiot during the Bush days, but this isn't complicated.  Romney is basically a non-ideological candidate (perhaps Bush, as a figurehead for the forces behind him, was more ideological in this sense, or at least he thought he was)... but Romney so represents what is wrong with everything ever, is so intertwined with the private dictatorships that seek to destroy us every day, that he is in fact the living embodiment of these forces, in demonstrable fact as well as aesthetic.  unfortunately it is the latter part of that that makes him such a punching bag (and is also as a result what you seem to be counter-reacting to)

Good post.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: tpfkaw on February 11, 2012, 06:12:03 PM
Name a state the doesn't "Pride itself on it's independence."

Rhode Island would be the obvious example.

(Also New York, Florida, California, Maryland, Delaware, etc. etc.)


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on February 11, 2012, 06:12:46 PM
Name a state the doesn't "Pride itself on it's independence."

Rhode Island would be the obvious example.

(Also New York, Florida, California, Maryland, Delaware, etc. etc.)

They all claim to.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on February 11, 2012, 06:13:29 PM
Torie is right. And that is why Romney must be destroyed.

The question is, when Romney should be destroyed.

I prefer November. Why? Because I just can see 2016 Republicans: "we lost four years ago because we nominated some moderate again. Let's nominate a true conservative this time!"


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Eraserhead on February 11, 2012, 06:15:36 PM
Get ready!


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 11, 2012, 06:16:10 PM
Is there a live stream somewhere?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Thomas D on February 11, 2012, 06:16:59 PM
"As soon as Susan Collins shuts her yap.."


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Alcon on February 11, 2012, 06:18:08 PM
http://www.rentadrone.tv/cnn-live-stream/


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: © tweed on February 11, 2012, 06:18:22 PM

always if you have and utilize Google skills.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 11, 2012, 06:20:25 PM
I wish Snowe/Collins (honestly don't know the difference) would shut up and just tell us the results.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 11, 2012, 06:20:55 PM
HERE IT COMES


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Alcon on February 11, 2012, 06:21:15 PM
Announcement coming after a "few words"

People laughing at the Chair calling Maine a "beauty contest"; he talks sort of like a Northeastern Elmer Fudd


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Thomas D on February 11, 2012, 06:21:44 PM
Oh, he's going to milk this.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: tpfkaw on February 11, 2012, 06:21:51 PM
Chairman downplaying the results before he reads them!!! :D


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 11, 2012, 06:22:14 PM
god shut up you old man


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Alcon on February 11, 2012, 06:22:26 PM
Unofficial, non-binding poll (e.g., more people have to vote)

Mitt Romney wins


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Eraserhead on February 11, 2012, 06:22:35 PM
:( NOOOOOOOOOOOO


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Mehmentum on February 11, 2012, 06:22:55 PM
:(


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 11, 2012, 06:23:01 PM
goddamnit


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: ilikeverin on February 11, 2012, 06:23:05 PM
MY POINTS :(


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 11, 2012, 06:23:10 PM

Romney 39%
Paul 36%


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Alcon on February 11, 2012, 06:23:22 PM
Romney 2,190 (39%)
Paul 1,996 (36%)
Santorum 989 (18%)
Gingrich 349 (6%)
Others 61

Almost exactly what I expected


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Thomas D on February 11, 2012, 06:23:39 PM
Darn.

Just 2000 votes?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 11, 2012, 06:23:50 PM
:(

Sad, but not unexpected.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Averroës Nix on February 11, 2012, 06:24:06 PM
YOU LIE!


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 11, 2012, 06:24:12 PM
Lost by 200 votes. :(

This sucks.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Torie on February 11, 2012, 06:24:22 PM
Mittens 39%
Paul 36%
Santorum 18%
Newt 6%
Others 6%


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: tpfkaw on February 11, 2012, 06:24:23 PM
Ugh, they stole another one.  This one blatant if the Watch the Vote people can come through.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Politico on February 11, 2012, 06:24:40 PM
LOLNEWT

You can't beat a New Englander in New England.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: California8429 on February 11, 2012, 06:24:53 PM

5,000

And dangit. I was hoping my prediction would get me a point. Well now I believe there's no hope for Paul to win a state.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Beet on February 11, 2012, 06:24:58 PM
I don't really understand the Romney-hatred. Back in the Bush days, Democrats were always lamenting the lack of moderate Republicans. Romney is no moderate, but at least he is about as close as we can get in these days.

can't speak for everyone, and I was a certified idiot during the Bush days, but this isn't complicated.  Romney is basically a non-ideological candidate (perhaps Bush, as a figurehead for the forces behind him, was more ideological in this sense, or at least he thought he was)... but Romney so represents what is wrong with everything ever, is so intertwined with the private dictatorships that seek to destroy us every day, that he is in fact the living embodiment of these forces, in demonstrable fact as well as aesthetic.  unfortunately it is the latter part of that that makes him such a punching bag (and is also as a result what you seem to be counter-reacting to)

Good post! What you say makes him weak. Not in the electoral sense (although it hurts there somewhat), but in the ultimate sense. This will sound tacky, but if he beats Obama, then it gives us a chance to overthrow the Democratic party and elect the true 'messiah' in 2016 (even though there is currently no-one in sight). I mean, even better would be for Ron Paul to win all the way and be thoroughly discredited after he successfully implements his ideas. But that will never happen. He's destined to always be this annoying martyr-figure, which is why I dislike him more than Romney.

update- well it looks like Romney won. It's just a straw poll though, guys. It's not the delegate count.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 11, 2012, 06:25:31 PM
It's close enough that Ron Paul still has a chance at actually winning it, though.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Thomas D on February 11, 2012, 06:26:20 PM
More low GOP turnout.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: bgwah on February 11, 2012, 06:27:44 PM
Damn, kept Romney at >40%.... Grrr!


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Alcon on February 11, 2012, 06:28:05 PM
It's close enough that Ron Paul still has a chance at actually winning it, though.

Really?  How much is left?  If it's just a few scattered caucuses, Paul is screwed.  If this is some sort of weird "optional, some caucus sites do it" kinda thing, I guess Paul's still in it if he gets lucky.

I assume it's the former, though, since Intrade just went to like 99.9% Romney.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 11, 2012, 06:28:23 PM
Paul once again fails. He has still never won a statewide contest in his life. Should have known better.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: MaxQue on February 11, 2012, 06:29:07 PM
Ugh, they stole another one.  This one blatant if the Watch the Vote people can come through.

Considering than state GOP is controled by Paulites...


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: The Mikado on February 11, 2012, 06:29:26 PM
It's close enough that Ron Paul still has a chance at actually winning it, though.

Really?  How much is left?  If it's just a few scattered caucuses, Paul is screwed.  If this is some sort of weird "optional, some caucus sites do it" kinda thing, I guess Paul's still in it if he gets lucky.

I assume it's the former, though, since Intrade just went to like 99.9% Romney.

All of Washington County is still out, but, yeah, they aren't going to make up 200 vote margin.  Last cycle there were only 192 votes cast in that county according to what I saw earlier.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Eraserhead on February 11, 2012, 06:29:39 PM
It's close enough that Ron Paul still has a chance at actually winning it, though.

They declared Romney the winner. It's over for all intents and purposes.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on February 11, 2012, 06:30:08 PM
Dammit.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: tpfkaw on February 11, 2012, 06:30:34 PM
Ugh, they stole another one.  This one blatant if the Watch the Vote people can come through.

Considering than state GOP is controled by Paulites...

Uh, no.  The state convention was briefly taken over by tea partiers, who included some Paulites, but they didn't replace any of the party leadership.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Meeker on February 11, 2012, 06:32:15 PM
Paul's campaign is increasingly proving to be nothing more than a paper tiger.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Torie on February 11, 2012, 06:32:24 PM
Quote
[Mittens]is so intertwined with the private dictatorships that seek to destroy us every day,

What on Earth is this all about?  


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Alcon on February 11, 2012, 06:32:34 PM
It's close enough that Ron Paul still has a chance at actually winning it, though.

Really?  How much is left?  If it's just a few scattered caucuses, Paul is screwed.  If this is some sort of weird "optional, some caucus sites do it" kinda thing, I guess Paul's still in it if he gets lucky.

I assume it's the former, though, since Intrade just went to like 99.9% Romney.

All of Washington County is still out, but, yeah, they aren't going to make up 200 vote margin.  Last cycle there were only 192 votes cast in that county according to what I saw earlier.

Not to mention that I wouldn't be surprised if Washington County were Romney's best county in the state.

Turnout was actually up over 2008, which is mildly hilarious.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 11, 2012, 06:34:01 PM
Worst part is that they aren't going to release the town-by-town vote until Monday.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Thomas D on February 11, 2012, 06:34:53 PM

From Twitter

PublicPolicyPolling:
You couldn't get elected UNC Student Body President with Romney's Maine vote total


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Alcon on February 11, 2012, 06:35:28 PM
Apparently, about 16% of precincts aren't included in the straw poll, which may indicate that more than Washington County is outstanding.  Still, it'd have to be a pretty decent Paulslide.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Eraserhead on February 11, 2012, 06:35:56 PM
This blows. My brokered convention dreams are being snuffed out again.

Romney's just going to flatten Santorum with ads in Michigan and that's that. F**k!


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on February 11, 2012, 06:36:55 PM
So are the results just going to come all at once in one big dump? Pretty anti-climactic but I guess preferable to the Nevada mess.

Everything except Washington County will come in at once, where the caucuses were pushed back a week due to snow. If it's close, we might not know the winner until next week.

And somehow I have this instinct that Washington County is Mittens country. It's bucolic, incredibly scenic, probably relatively high income, and well salted with old line Yankees. But it's a caucus so ...

And it's a week later, so the game may be a bit different by then to boot.
It's relatively low-income, with an economy based on fish and berries.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on February 11, 2012, 06:38:13 PM
Romney did worse in a state that is in Romney's backyard, backed him with over 52% of the vote in 2008, and Romney has been running for President for 6 years.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Torie on February 11, 2012, 06:38:17 PM
It's close enough that Ron Paul still has a chance at actually winning it, though.

Really?  How much is left?  If it's just a few scattered caucuses, Paul is screwed.  If this is some sort of weird "optional, some caucus sites do it" kinda thing, I guess Paul's still in it if he gets lucky.

I assume it's the former, though, since Intrade just went to like 99.9% Romney.

Paul may not be "screwed" in the metaphysical sense. As noted in that other thread I started, he may be doing the lord's work for the "perfect" one.  :)  It is kind of interesting how the personalities play off one another. I mean, Newt is really closest to Mittens in some ways on the issues (kind of frightening, but I said "kind of" rather than "replicates"), yet Newt and Mittens seem to loathe one another. And Mittens agrees with Paul on next to nothing, yet they seem to like and respect one another. Go figure. Meanwhile Perry hated Mittens I think mostly because he was jealous of his IQ. At least Newt had the grace not to point out just how low Perry's was.  :P


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Alcon on February 11, 2012, 06:39:05 PM
Somehow I confused Washington and York Counties...Washington County is the poorest county in Maine.  Sorry.

I'm not clear on why McCain won there, but in such ridiculously self-selective caucus environments, there may not be a demographic explanation.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Eraserhead on February 11, 2012, 06:42:13 PM
This poor bastard. Let this guy win something!


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Torie on February 11, 2012, 06:43:54 PM
This poor bastard. Let this guy win something!

Well Alaska and LDS-lite Wyoming are out there. :)


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 11, 2012, 06:44:55 PM
Gentlemen, please. Nothing serious here from Romney and the usual from Paul. Move along now.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 11, 2012, 06:45:28 PM
This blows. My brokered convention dreams are being snuffed out again.

Romney's just going to flatten Santorum with ads in Michigan and that's that. F**k!

Paul will probably have a majority of delegates at the state convention.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Eraserhead on February 11, 2012, 06:46:10 PM
Will Romney speak?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on February 11, 2012, 06:46:29 PM
Other than more of Gingrich's supporters switching to Santorum than I expected, this was pretty much as I thought it would be, Romney squeaking a win out over Paul.  No need for me to change my predictions based on tonight's results.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Politico on February 11, 2012, 06:47:54 PM
Gentlemen, please. Nothing serious here from Romney and the usual from Paul. Move along now.

Romney has more delegates and just as many states as the fiscally counterfeit conservative, so that's the story now.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Torie on February 11, 2012, 06:49:04 PM
This blows. My brokered convention dreams are being snuffed out again.

Romney's just going to flatten Santorum with ads in Michigan and that's that. F**k!

Paul will probably have a majority of delegates at the state convention.

Sure if Rick throws his votes to Paul.  Newt doesn't have any votes to speak of.  :P  Mittens is not going to allow his votes to be stolen by having Paulites go to the convention that are part of his quota. His operatives are on the ground in Maine.

Of more import, is that the destruction of Newt is moving rather fast now, with his twin anemic showings at CPAC and Maine today. So the odds continue to go up, that Rick will get his rather clean shot at Mittens, muddied only by Paulites, who Mittens needs now more than ever, since I don't think many of them would gravitate to Mittens if Paul exits.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: tpfkaw on February 11, 2012, 06:49:22 PM
Oh, btw, over at the Ron Paul Forums, the mood is furious... at Ron Paul.  Kinda belies the whole "cult" notion.

examples:

Quote
OK, if this is true, why are we even bothering? Face it, HE HAD IOWA, but then he bungled the foreign policy question, one of my Army buddies lives there and we are both big Paul fans and he told me in his town he almost literally felt the life of the campaign be sucked out after that moment.

Ron could win, despite all the odds, I am out there talking to voters all the time, this whole "media" thing is overblown, it is Ron himself refusing to get a debate coach, you can't continue to ignore this. I do not say this to insult Ron, he is a great guy, but his speaking abilities (or inability) is killing his chances.

Quote
You know what? Why the heck should Fox give his speech air time when he never wins? In fact, I turned the TV off as soon as I saw the results. Ron stayed home yesterday and it's nobody's fault but his. At some point, the candidate has to actually, you know, campaign for the office he claims to seek. He only enters the race reluctantly, then people raise millions of dollars and spend lots of time for him. What does he do to thank them? He rests in Clute.

You are either running for president or you are just jerking off. Now you know which on Ron is doing. I'm tearing up my delegate form and saying  it. Just like he did to everyone who supports him. One stinking extra day on the trail and he might very well have gotten 200 more votes.

I have been complaining around here the last few days because the campaign cannot count on winning delegates. The party will never let someone who loses every race win the nomination. It will simply not happen. So, Ron stayed home and grasped defeat from the jaws of victory.

We had to beg him to come to NV in 2008. We got him delegates to the national convention, and he was pissed at us. Seriously. But we cut him some slack because he really didn't have a chance. But this time, he did have a chance, albeit slim, and he chose to go home. I am now going home and he can beg forgiveness from everyone he let down on his own time.

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Lol, CNN cut the coverage...

Do you blame them? Ron is giving the same stump speech he's delivered after every primary.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 11, 2012, 06:49:42 PM
Gentlemen, please. Nothing serious here from Romney and the usual from Paul. Move along now.

Romney has more delegates and just as many states as the fiscally counterfeit conservative, so that's the story now.

Ok, yes, at Romney HQs, that is certainly the story. His "sweeping" victory here will carry him over all of the others just like his landslide victory helped him coast just days later in Missouri, Minnesota and Colorado.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Mopsus on February 11, 2012, 06:50:53 PM
This blows. My brokered convention dreams are being snuffed out again.

Romney's just going to flatten Santorum with ads in Michigan and that's that. F**k!
Don't lose heart yet! Remember when we all thought that Romney would win South Carolina and that would be the end of it? There's still time!


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Politico on February 11, 2012, 06:51:53 PM
Gentlemen, please. Nothing serious here from Romney and the usual from Paul. Move along now.

Romney has more delegates and just as many states as the fiscally counterfeit conservative, so that's the story now.

Ok, yes, at Romney HQs, that is certainly the story. His "sweeping" victory here will carry him over all of the others just like his landslide victory helped him coast just days later in Missouri, Minnesota and Colorado.

4:30-onward of this video is what we're going to do to your boy if he becomes a monstrosity like Gingrich:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3I2rDZAJQg


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on February 11, 2012, 06:52:26 PM
All right, which one of you guys did this?

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Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Free Palestine on February 11, 2012, 06:54:37 PM

I laughed so hard my head hurts a little.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on February 11, 2012, 06:56:31 PM
Romney now in position to win by super tuesday with WA, AZ, and MI contests coming up.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Eraserhead on February 11, 2012, 06:57:38 PM
Ron Paul is on CNN basically saying he believes Romney has the nomination wrapped up.

Christ, bro. Just drop out.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Free Palestine on February 11, 2012, 06:59:19 PM
I wonder how many Paul votes will be found deep in the Adirondacks two years from now.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Politico on February 11, 2012, 07:01:25 PM
Ron Paul is on CNN basically saying he believes Romney has the nomination wrapped up.

Christ, bro. Just drop out.

Ron Paul is going to clobber Santorum and Gingrich in the next debate. It's going to be fun.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Alcon on February 11, 2012, 07:01:36 PM
good lord guys, do you just assume that Ron Paul automatically loses 10% in every race based on election fraud?

Another amusing turnout-related statistic for Maine:

Maine straw poll votes: 5,524
CPAC straw poll votes: 3,408


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: The Mikado on February 11, 2012, 07:04:47 PM
Alcon: in addition to Washington, there are also 14 caucus sites in Hancock County still out.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Free Palestine on February 11, 2012, 07:05:19 PM
good lord guys, do you just assume that Ron Paul automatically loses 10% in every race based on election fraud?

Another amusing turnout-related statistic for Maine:

Maine straw poll votes: 5,524
CPAC straw poll votes: 3,408

It's a conspiracy!

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Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Torie on February 11, 2012, 07:08:46 PM
I wonder how many Paul votes will be found deep in the Adirondacks two years from now.

Wrong mountain range, in the wrong state. Actually, the mountains where the stolen Paul votes are, are rather prosaically called the "Northern Appalachians."  And yes, Alcon the votes were stolen, and I have marked their location, in case Twilight Sparkle wants to put on his knapsack, and his snowshoes, and his scuba gear (since they are at the bottom of a lake), and hike over there to retrieve them.

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Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Eraserhead on February 11, 2012, 07:12:23 PM
Oh, btw, over at the Ron Paul Forums, the mood is furious... at Ron Paul.  Kinda belies the whole "cult" notion.

examples:

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OK, if this is true, why are we even bothering? Face it, HE HAD IOWA, but then he bungled the foreign policy question, one of my Army buddies lives there and we are both big Paul fans and he told me in his town he almost literally felt the life of the campaign be sucked out after that moment.

Ron could win, despite all the odds, I am out there talking to voters all the time, this whole "media" thing is overblown, it is Ron himself refusing to get a debate coach, you can't continue to ignore this. I do not say this to insult Ron, he is a great guy, but his speaking abilities (or inability) is killing his chances.

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You know what? Why the heck should Fox give his speech air time when he never wins? In fact, I turned the TV off as soon as I saw the results. Ron stayed home yesterday and it's nobody's fault but his. At some point, the candidate has to actually, you know, campaign for the office he claims to seek. He only enters the race reluctantly, then people raise millions of dollars and spend lots of time for him. What does he do to thank them? He rests in Clute.

You are either running for president or you are just jerking off. Now you know which on Ron is doing. I'm tearing up my delegate form and saying  it. Just like he did to everyone who supports him. One stinking extra day on the trail and he might very well have gotten 200 more votes.

I have been complaining around here the last few days because the campaign cannot count on winning delegates. The party will never let someone who loses every race win the nomination. It will simply not happen. So, Ron stayed home and grasped defeat from the jaws of victory.

We had to beg him to come to NV in 2008. We got him delegates to the national convention, and he was pissed at us. Seriously. But we cut him some slack because he really didn't have a chance. But this time, he did have a chance, albeit slim, and he chose to go home. I am now going home and he can beg forgiveness from everyone he let down on his own time.

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Lol, CNN cut the coverage...

Do you blame them? Ron is giving the same stump speech he's delivered after every primary.

Those are all totally on target, especially the second quote. You have to actually want to win in order to win most of the time. Ron Paul doesn't. His interview on CNN tonight made that entirely clear. He's fine with being the eternal runner-up. Gross.

He should just drop out after this. Seriously. 


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Alcon on February 11, 2012, 07:21:22 PM
I wonder how many Paul votes will be found deep in the Adirondacks two years from now.

Wrong mountain range, in the wrong state. Actually, the mountains where the stolen Paul votes are, are rather prosaically called the "Northern Appalachians."  And yes, Alcon the votes were stolen, and I have marked their location, in case Twilight Sparkle wants to put on his knapsack, and his snowshoes, and his scuba gear (since they are at the bottom of a lake), and hike over there to retrieve them.

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:D


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 11, 2012, 07:24:20 PM
Ron Paul should drop out at this point and endorse Mitt Romney like he's always wanted to. What a joke.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Oakvale on February 11, 2012, 07:29:53 PM
Ron Paul should drop out at this point and endorse Mitt Romney like he's always wanted to. What a joke.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: JohnnyLongtorso on February 11, 2012, 07:30:27 PM
Oh look, Paul fails to perform. Shouldn't we be used to this by now?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: You kip if you want to... on February 11, 2012, 07:32:34 PM
How many Paulites have pulled the voter fraud card so far?

Disappointing, to say the least, that Mitt won. He's no comeback kid.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 11, 2012, 07:41:03 PM
Paul probably won one of the CDs, right?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 11, 2012, 07:42:16 PM
Ron Paul's strategy seems to be to build up political capital by winning some delegates and sucking up to Romney to help his son in a future race.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on February 11, 2012, 07:43:50 PM
This made me laugh harder than Romney losing CO


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 11, 2012, 07:57:23 PM
Dang it!  2 blown states now.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 11, 2012, 07:58:58 PM
How has it been called for Romney if not all the caucuses have been held?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 11, 2012, 08:00:18 PM
How has it been called for Romney if not all the caucuses have been held?

The caucuses held after today don't count.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Rules for me, but not for thee on February 11, 2012, 08:09:58 PM
It's a chess game between RPers and the GOP establishment in these states.  RPers try to dominate the delegates, the state GOP moves the caucuses around to try to foil them.  Not really election fraud - just tactics.  Ron Paul's going to be riding this to the national convention.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Minnesota Mike on February 11, 2012, 08:21:36 PM
FWIW here are the town by town results

http://www.mainegop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/me_gop_caucus_results.pdf

Romney crushed in Cumberland County, winning by 206 votes (46.6%-33.3%). That was his margin of victory.

BTW for all you Paulite conspiracy theorists I found an error in the South Portland numbers. They list the total number of votes cast as 81, but if you add up the individual numbers you get 85 votes.  I am sure they crewed Paul somehow :)


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 11, 2012, 09:09:03 PM
I went through and summed up all the town-by-town results to get the county totals. Santorum won Somerset County. Either I or the party is missing some votes for Romney somewhere. All the other votes add up:

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EDIT: They were in Oxford County. Mitt actually got 129 votes there.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Meeker on February 11, 2012, 09:53:43 PM
Maine used to be a part of Massachusetts so this is really a home state win for Romney. Should be disregarded.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: J. J. on February 11, 2012, 10:26:59 PM
Maine used to be a part of Massachusetts so this is really a home state win for Romney. Should be disregarded.

It would be, if were were talking about the 1824 election.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Meeker on February 11, 2012, 10:28:48 PM
Maine used to be a part of Massachusetts so this is really a home state win for Romney. Should be disregarded.

It would be, if were were talking about the 1824 election.

More pro-Romney spin.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: J. J. on February 11, 2012, 10:34:13 PM
Maine used to be a part of Massachusetts so this is really a home state win for Romney. Should be disregarded.

It would be, if were were talking about the 1824 election.

More pro-Romney spin.

Of course, we could look at 1800, because Mormonism wouldn't be an issue. 


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Torie on February 12, 2012, 12:27:29 AM
All this fuss over the opinion of 6,000 people - about 3-4 precincts in the real world. Amazing. The Atlas Forum could have just all moved to Maine, and swung the damn thing to Paul (after getting the Torie Mittbot types too stoned or smashed or both to get out of bed). Well, I already have posted my opinion of caucuses, but I guess I should say it again - they suck!


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: J. J. on February 12, 2012, 12:35:01 AM
It is significant because Paul was expected to win.  Romney not merely has a good showing but wins and wins the CPAC straw poll.

He wins AZ and MI, and most of the states on Super Tuesday, and this thing is over by the Ides of March.


Title: Maine Town Map
Post by: RI on February 12, 2012, 12:47:10 AM
Town map:

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Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Joe Republic on February 12, 2012, 12:48:48 AM
It is significant because Paul was expected to win.

No, it was hoped that Paul would win.  There hadn't been a poll in Maine since October, so nobody expected anything.

Romney not merely has a good showing but wins

... with 12% less than before.  Which continues a theme, of course.

Nobody had a good showing in Maine.  Turnout was pathetic.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Torie on February 12, 2012, 01:10:08 AM
What do the grey and the brown represent on the map?  Surely Newt didn't win anything (or did he?), so we have 4 colors but only 3 potential winners.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 12, 2012, 01:12:11 AM
What do the grey and the brown represent on the map?  Surely Newt didn't win anything (or did he?), so we have 4 colors but only 3 potential winners.

Dark grey is a tie, Light grey didn't have a caucus. I'm not sure what you mean by brown, but it's probably a high Santorum or Paul percentage town. I'm using Dave's color scheme.

Newt won four towns (he's blue) and "Other" won one (dark purple).


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 12, 2012, 01:15:43 AM
What do the grey and the brown represent on the map?  Surely Newt didn't win anything (or did he?), so we have 4 colors but only 3 potential winners.

Dark grey is a tie, Light grey didn't have a caucus. I'm not sure what you mean by brown, but it's probably a high Santorum or Paul percentage town. I'm using Dave's color scheme.

Newt won four towns (he's blue) and "Other" won one (dark purple).

Who is other?

What do the grey and the brown represent on the map?  Surely Newt didn't win anything (or did he?), so we have 4 colors but only 3 potential winners.

Considering how low some of the numbers are, it is conceivable that Gingrich carried a few towns with a couple of voters.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 12, 2012, 01:20:52 AM
The Maine GOP hasn't broken down was "Other" means, but it could be Uncommitted or anyone really (maybe Huntsman?). "Other" randomly carried the town of Otis, where it got all 3 votes.

The towns Gingrich won were Deer Isle (6 of 19 votes), Hiram (2 of 5 votes), Medway (1 of 1 vote), and St. Albans (3 of 4 votes).


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on February 12, 2012, 01:25:13 AM
Meh. I'm upset at losing the points and the fact that Paul won't have any states on the map most likely, but I don't think this changes anything as far as the race for the nom goes. Paul was never a threat to Romney and I was always predicting he'll limp to the nomination.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: MaxQue on February 12, 2012, 01:25:24 AM

So much for the secrecy of votes...


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 12, 2012, 01:26:39 AM
so, did most of Washington County not vote yet?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: MaxQue on February 12, 2012, 01:27:48 AM
so, did most of Washington County not vote yet?

Yes, they reported to vote to the next week due to snow falls.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Alcon on February 12, 2012, 01:28:51 AM
It is significant because Paul was expected to win. 

Not really.  Intrade had Romney up in Maine until this afternoon, when Paul was "expected to win" for a few hours.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: tpfkaw on February 12, 2012, 01:50:35 AM
A member of the Ron Paul forums had this to say on 2/05:

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The results for Maine won't be announced until Saturday the 11th. The State Party Chairmain has asked that no individual caucus results be released prior to the "official" announcement.

FWIW, I anticipate some State Convention delegate shenanigans to ensue from the Somerset County Caucuses that were held yesterday. There's no such thing as a "county" caucus in Maine. Caucuses are based on the town you live in. A county caucus is essentially a party rally that happens at a school or large facility followed by each town splitting into their own sub-groups and handling their own votes and delegate selection process.

There was a new twist at the yesterday's caucus. The Somerset County chairperson declared that it was within her individual authority to declare a town's caucus void if no town clerk was present from that community to verify a voter's registration status. So if you live in Some Town Name, Somerset County, ME and your town clerk was not present to authenticate your party enrollment it's likely that the caucus results for your town will be declared void by the County Chair. The Chairperson then can call for a new caucus to be held at their sole discretion. I overheard a conversation between one of our County Commissioners and a prominent local lawyer on the legality of this new development. The lawyer stated that if the caucus rules indeed include such a provision that it would be legal, but the timing of the rule change could potentially be problematic. It was not in effect for prior caucuses and most towns only require their Town Clerk to work municipal elections within their town.

So it will be interesting to see how this works out. I expect some shenanigans are going on behind the scenes which is part of the reason they have requested us not to release our individual town caucus results.

BTW, I am our town's Chairperson and my wife is the Delegate Chair.

He followed it up today:

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It's not just Washington County. I predicted many votes would not be counted in Somerset County too. The State GOP put out a press release with the town-by-town totals. I know my town, New Portland, shows zero votes. We had two votes for Ron Paul. I know there are other towns that were present at the caucus but not represented in the totals.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Tender Branson on February 12, 2012, 03:59:44 AM
Ah yeah, about what I expected ...

2 more points for my predictions I think. Is it certain that Romney won't get more than 40% ?

Now 2 and 1/2 weeks of "vacation" ... ;)


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on February 12, 2012, 08:35:35 AM
It was probably stolen.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on February 12, 2012, 10:23:18 AM
I hope your not being sarcastic, because I agree.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Averroës Nix on February 12, 2012, 10:46:53 AM
As I said earlier, so many Paul ballots have been thrown into so many rivers that he's bound to win a few coastal states.

Anyway, after months of hearing about Ron Paul's enthusiasm and organization, we've seen that he's incapable of meaningfully increasing turnout among his supporters even his best states. He should dominate low-turnout caucuses, but we've discovered that it's unlikely he'll be able to top 1/3 of the vote even in contests like these.

"Ninja delegates" or no, he's not generating the coverage that he could with a win, and his campaign is doomed to wither if he cannot manage tahat.

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Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: BigSkyBob on February 12, 2012, 11:56:01 PM
Gentlemen, please. Nothing serious here from Romney and the usual from Paul. Move along now.

Romney has more delegates and just as many states as the fiscally counterfeit conservative, so that's the story now.

Here's a story for you. During one of Lou Gehrig's last games there was a slow grounder hit toward the hole between first base and second. Gehrig covered the base, the picture fielded the ball, and slowly tossed it underhand to Gehrig. Gehrig caught the ball forcing out the batter.
The pitcher and second baseball rushed to tell Lou "good job!" It was a routine play.
 
What we saw in Maine was the pathetic spectacle of a has-been politician nearly blowing a certain victory to a man whom, presumably, believes it should be legal to serve dog at restaurants!


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: tpfkaw on February 13, 2012, 11:00:25 AM
Hah, the Washington County caucus was delayed exactly until the University of Maine at Mathias was on break.  Nothing to see here...


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on February 13, 2012, 11:30:34 AM
Hah, the Washington County caucus was delayed exactly until the University of Maine at Mathias was on break.  Nothing to see here...
I think Paul and Santorum will still improve their showing compared to Romney.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Alcon on February 14, 2012, 03:11:01 PM
Per @fivethirtyeight:

"Maine neglected to count results from caucuses in Waterville, and Waldo County, which were strong for Paul in 2008."

Bangor Daily Nwes - "Pressure mounting for GOP caucus reconsideration"
http://bangordailynews.com/2012/02/14/politics/elections/pressure-mounting-for-gop-caucus-reconsideration/


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: tpfkaw on February 14, 2012, 03:12:57 PM
Per @fivethirtyeight:

"Maine neglected to count results from caucuses in Waterville, and Waldo County, which were strong for Paul in 2008."

Bangor Daily Nwes - "Pressure mounting for GOP caucus reconsideration"
http://bangordailynews.com/2012/02/14/politics/elections/pressure-mounting-for-gop-caucus-reconsideration/

And it said they reversed(!) the results for Paul and Romney in Portland(!).


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: ElectionAtlas on February 14, 2012, 04:13:47 PM
GingrichPaulRomneySantorumUndecidedOtherTown Total
Belfast
0
8
5
7
0
1
21
Belmont
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
Brooks
0
5
1
0
0
0
6
Burnham**
-
-
-
-
-
-
0
Frankfort
0
5
2
0
0
0
7
Freedom**
-
-
-
-
-
-
0
Islesboro**
-
-
-
-
-
-
0
Jackson
0
0
0
3
0
0
3
Knox
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
Liberty
0
0
0
4
0
0
4
Lincolnville
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
Monroe
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
Montville
0
16
3
1
0
1
21
Morrill
0
0
2
0
0
0
2
Northport
0
3
6
2
0
0
11
Palermo
1
9
1
2
0
1
14
Prospect
0
2
0
1
0
0
3
Searsmont
3
7
0
3
0
0
13
Searsport
3
1
5
5
0
0
14
Swanville
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
Stockton Springs
0
1
9
9
0
0
19
Thorndike
0
0
0
1
0
0
1
Troy
2
2
0
0
0
0
4
Unity
2
3
9
3
1
0
18
Waldo
4
0
2
1
0
0
7
Winterport
2
2
6
6
0
0
16
Other Towns
4
8
8
8
0
0
28
Total
21
72
59
56
1
3
212

This set of results is from Waldo Village Soup (http://waldo.villagesoup.com/news/story/waldo-county-mostly-missing-from-official-maine-gop-results/484636) and shows additional caucus votes not counted in the official Maine GOP Tally located at this page (http://www.mainegop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/me_gop_caucus_results.pdf).  Lets hope that these are included in the final tally - I hate zeros...

From the Caption: "This table combines results provided by local Republican party officials, as well as those listed in a press release announcing the official statewide GOP caucus results. The row labeled "Other Towns" is a combined tally including several communities that caucused at the Feb. 4 event in Belfast, such as Lincolnville and Monroe, but which individual results were not available for."


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Eraserhead on February 14, 2012, 04:22:02 PM
Iowa Part II? I guess the National GOP knew Romney needed a boost after his hilarious string of failures last week, so they informed the Maine GOP that Romney would have to win. The Republican Party is just disgusting.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 14, 2012, 05:23:11 PM
Dave, will you add the town results into the database at some point for these primaries/caucuses?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: TheGlobalizer on February 14, 2012, 05:38:47 PM
Washington, ME

Paul 14
Romney 0
Santorum 0
Gingrich 0

FP.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 14, 2012, 08:29:58 PM
There's just not enough out there to reverse the results, even if Paul is only down by 200, I'm seeing about a quarter of that coming back.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: ElectionAtlas on February 14, 2012, 10:01:26 PM
Dave, will you add the town results into the database at some point for these primaries/caucuses?

Hi,
The NH data was already there - I just updated the town table to include the Maine Caucus data.
I haven't done the maps yet.
Enjoy,
Dave


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Joe Republic on February 14, 2012, 10:54:44 PM
The results have been stuck at 84% reporting due to the remaining caucuses that haven't yet taken place.  What changes are we likely to expect, if any?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Rules for me, but not for thee on February 15, 2012, 09:13:06 PM
Pretty hard proof of voter fraud or at least gross incompetence:

http://youtu.be/pqsyzTrWS0g  (news segment, yes posted by an RP supporter)


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: BigSkyBob on February 16, 2012, 09:32:05 PM
Apperently, the Republican Party of Maine has decided to consider correcting any errors in the count in a timely fashion.

Another public relations disaster for the Romney campaign. Why did they think they could get away with it?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Eraserhead on February 16, 2012, 09:58:08 PM
http://www.pressherald.com/news/Maine-GOP-reportedly-recounting-caucus-votes.html


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Harry Hayfield on February 17, 2012, 07:43:57 AM
I think that this election cycle will spell the end of the caucus as a method of choosing delegates (especially in the GOP).


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: NHI on February 17, 2012, 07:45:30 AM
I think that this election cycle will spell the end of the caucus as a method of choosing delegates (especially in the GOP).

Agreed.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on February 17, 2012, 07:55:54 AM
I think that this election cycle will spell the end of the caucus as a method of choosing delegates (especially in the GOP).


One can only hope...


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: minionofmidas on February 17, 2012, 07:57:04 AM
I think that this election cycle will spell the end of the caucus as a method of choosing delegates (especially in the GOP).


One can only hope...
But they're fun to watch and make the GOP look bad!


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 17, 2012, 02:58:15 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/73015.html

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Maine Republican Party chairman Charlie Webster has admitted that the state party made numerous clerical errors in counting the state’s caucus results — even omitting some votes because emails reporting tallies “went to spam” in an email account.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 17, 2012, 03:00:16 PM
I think that this election cycle will spell the end of the caucus as a method of choosing delegates (especially in the GOP).

No it won't.  It should, but it won't:

http://frontloading.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/dont-hold-your-breath-caucus-states.html


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 17, 2012, 03:06:00 PM
The Dems managed to run their caucuses perfectly fine in 2008. It's only the GOP that is full of incompetents.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: BigSkyBob on February 17, 2012, 03:21:53 PM
I think that this election cycle will spell the end of the caucus as a method of choosing delegates (especially in the GOP).

Agreed.

Why? The fiasco in Maine is due not to the caucus system, but, rather, the moral failings of the people administering the caucus. A moral administrator of a caucus would have strove to maintain an accurate count, corrected any reported errors promptly and without reservation, and, would have stated that the Washington county results would be included because the caucus there was delayed due to no fault of the Republican voters there.

Blaming "the system" and talking about changing "the system" distracts what really needs to be done: the rank-and-file Republicans of Maine need to fire their state chairman before it dawns on him to resign in disgrace.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: tpfkaw on February 17, 2012, 03:48:13 PM
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/17/maine-gop-chair-romney-will-maintain-win/

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"We corrected all that on Monday, in our internal paperwork. And it changed the totals a little bit in favor of Romney," Webster said.

"It increased his number by a little bit. We'll be sending that out today," the chairman added.

On Saturday, the GOP chairman's announcement showed that the former Massachusetts governor won by 194 votes over Texas Rep. Ron Paul. When pressed by CNN about the forthcoming new margin of victory, Webster would not reveal an exact number.

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"Absolutely no recount," the chairman said. "There's no way to recount. These were just slips of paper that were thrown away after."

"There's nothing to recount. There's no ballots left," he added.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 17, 2012, 06:45:29 PM
Maine used to be a part of Massachusetts so this is really a home state win for Romney. Should be disregarded.

Makes it easier... we can just consider all the Louisiana purchase states as one state.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 17, 2012, 06:49:42 PM
Apperently, the Republican Party of Maine has decided to consider correcting any errors in the count in a timely fashion.

Another public relations disaster for the Romney campaign. Why did they think they could get away with it?

How is this a PR disaster for anybody other than the MEGOP?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Franzl on February 17, 2012, 06:56:39 PM
Despite everything, I don't see how the results (in %) are going to change much. I suppose the one missing county could theoretically make a difference, but I'm not convinced Paul will even win there - let alone the near 100% he'd likely need.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 17, 2012, 06:59:18 PM
The Dems managed to run their caucuses perfectly fine in 2008. It's only the GOP that is full of incompetents.

Glad we can rely on you, Lief, to provide a truthful, unbiased analysis on the caucus process!


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 17, 2012, 08:37:39 PM
link (http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2012/02/17/romney_still_winner_after_recount_of_caucuses/)

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The party last Saturday announced Romney was the narrow winner over Ron Paul, with a 194-vote winning margin out of 5,585 votes. Rick Santorum came in third and Newt Gingrich in fourth.

The party decided to recount the votes after determining that votes from caucuses in Waterville, Belfast and a number of other towns were left out of the final results, and that the tallies for Paul and Romney were reversed in Portland.

The party said Friday that recount shows that Romney won with a 239-vote margin out of 5,814 votes cast.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Joe Republic on February 17, 2012, 08:47:37 PM
I think that this election cycle will spell the end of the caucus as a method of choosing delegates (especially in the GOP).

Agreed.

Why? The fiasco in Maine is due not to the caucus system, but, rather, the moral failings of the people administering the caucus. A moral administrator of a caucus would have strove to maintain an accurate count, corrected any reported errors promptly and without reservation, and, would have stated that the Washington county results would be included because the caucus there was delayed due to no fault of the Republican voters there.

Blaming "the system" and talking about changing "the system" distracts what really needs to be done: the rank-and-file Republicans of Maine need to fire their state chairman before it dawns on him to resign in disgrace.

You forgot about the disastrous Iowa and Nevada caucuses.  Seriously, we've had five caucus states thus far, and three of them have been fiascos.

An incompetent organization is only one aspect of the problem; caucuses are generally undemocratic messes.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: BigSkyBob on February 18, 2012, 01:33:54 AM
Apperently, the Republican Party of Maine has decided to consider correcting any errors in the count in a timely fashion.

Another public relations disaster for the Romney campaign. Why did they think they could get away with it?

How is this a PR disaster for anybody other than the MEGOP?

Read Politico's comment in this thread. Romney became part of the problem rather than part of the solution when he sent his surrogates to say it was "over" when there were real questions about the corrrectness, and completeness, of the results.

Had Romney stated he would wait until the folks in Washington county had their chance to vote before commenting on the results it wouldn't have become the distraction it was, and, he wouldn't have pissed off the voters outstanding.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 18, 2012, 01:37:03 AM
Updated official results by town: http://www.mainegop.com/mainegop_presprefpoll_021712.pdf (http://www.mainegop.com/mainegop_presprefpoll_021712.pdf)

Romney 2,269 (39.03%)
Paul 2,030 (34.92%)
Santorum 1,052 (18.09%)
Gingrich 391 (6.73%)
Uncommitted 59 (1.01%)
Others 13 (0.22%)

Changes:
Romney +79 (-0.18%)
Paul +34 (-0.82%)
Santorum +63 (+0.38%)
Gingrich +42 (+0.48%)

I find it a bit odd that Paul gained the least of any of the candidates in this adjustment.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 18, 2012, 02:02:48 AM
Here's the updated results by county. The columns on the far right show the change for each candidate from the original results.

() (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/GALLERY/2947_18_02_12_2_01_43.png)


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: ElectionAtlas on February 18, 2012, 09:46:44 AM
Here's the updated results by county. The columns on the far right show the change for each candidate from the original results.

() (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/GALLERY/2947_18_02_12_2_01_43.png)

They double counted Paris (Oxford County) - Paris and "South Paris" are identical - there is no Town of South Paris (in terms of county subdivision)...


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Hash on February 18, 2012, 10:25:56 AM
This seems about as fair as an election in Russia.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Averroës Nix on February 18, 2012, 12:30:13 PM
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Paulites? Romneybots? Something else?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on February 18, 2012, 12:31:27 PM
Who cares? This election has become a travesty.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 18, 2012, 02:30:12 PM
The Hancock County caucus voted 41 Paul, Santorum 17, Romney 16, Gingrich 9, according to Bangor Daily News. The town of Clinton in Kennebec went 4 Paul, 2 Romney. Paul's gained 27 votes on Romney so far today.

If you ignore the double-counting of Paris, Paul needs about 2/3 of Washington County's attendees to win, though some more of Hancock is still out.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: minionofmidas on February 18, 2012, 02:33:12 PM
This seems about as fair as an election in Russia.
Nyet Nyet Nyet, I will not stand for such insults of Russia's honor!


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on February 18, 2012, 04:06:00 PM
When will the Washington County results be announced?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 18, 2012, 04:08:51 PM
Washington County Results (not including Pembroke which voted last week):

Paul 163
Romney 80
Santorum 57
Gingrich 4
Uncom 2

Romney still ahead of Paul by 125 votes. A few more places left to vote, but not enough for Paul to win most likely.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Lincoln Republican on February 18, 2012, 04:20:47 PM
All jurisdictions should move to primaries and scrap the caucus method.

Republican primaries should be open to registered Republicans only.

Democratic primaries should be open to registered Democrats only.

All jurisdictions should have delegates awarded in proportion to their percentage of the popular vote received.

The drawback I see, however, is this may lead to no candidate receiving a majority of the delegates by the time of the convention, in a hotly contested nomination race.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: BigSkyBob on February 18, 2012, 04:23:47 PM
Washington County Results (not including Pembroke which voted last week):

Paul 163
Romney 80
Santorum 57
Gingrich 4
Uncom 2

Romney still ahead of Paul by 125 votes. A few more places left to vote, but not enough for Paul to win most likely.

Another black-eye for Romney! He loses two-one to a candidate he outpolled by 3% statewide last week. What a bone-headed move it was by Romney not to wait patiently for the folks in Washington County to vote. He would have had an apperently victory last week, and, a confirmed victory this week. Instead, he offended the folks in Washington county and they replied with a slap in his face.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: The Mikado on February 18, 2012, 04:27:11 PM
All jurisdictions should move to primaries and scrap the caucus method.

Republican primaries should be open to registered Republicans only.

Democratic primaries should be open to registered Democrats only.

All jurisdictions should have delegates awarded in proportion to their percentage of the popular vote received.

Agreed, though with a cutoff below which you don't get any delegates.  The Dems' 15% is pretty reasonable, but I could see a case for reducing it to 10%.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Alcon on February 18, 2012, 04:29:27 PM
Another black-eye for Romney! He loses two-one to a candidate he outpolled by 3% statewide last week. What a bone-headed move it was by Romney not to wait patiently for the folks in Washington County to vote. He would have had an apperently victory last week, and, a confirmed victory this week. Instead, he offended the folks in Washington county and they replied with a slap in his face.

Or, more likely, the Maine GOP mobilized a small section of Paul voters who never supported Romney, in a vote Romney is (very rationally) pretending isn't happening.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: argentarius on February 18, 2012, 04:30:43 PM
Paul winning Washington at all seemed strange let alone by that margin.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 18, 2012, 04:36:04 PM
Paul won the Eastbrook combined caucus as well, but no numbers are out yet.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: argentarius on February 18, 2012, 04:40:24 PM
Paul won the Eastbrook combined caucus as well, but no numbers are out yet.
Could the late caucus fiasco somehow give Paul a win? That would be hilarious.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Mehmentum on February 18, 2012, 04:41:27 PM
Paul won the Eastbrook combined caucus as well, but no numbers are out yet.
Could the late caucus fiasco somehow give Paul a win? That would be hilarious.
Depends, how much of Washington is out still?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 18, 2012, 04:43:39 PM
Paul won the Eastbrook combined caucus as well, but no numbers are out yet.
Could the late caucus fiasco somehow give Paul a win? That would be hilarious.
Depends, how much of Washington is out still?

All of Washington County is in. Paul won't win, but it might be within 100 votes.

Update: Eastbrook had ~35 total votes cast.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Lincoln Republican on February 18, 2012, 04:55:37 PM
All jurisdictions should move to primaries and scrap the caucus method.

Republican primaries should be open to registered Republicans only.

Democratic primaries should be open to registered Democrats only.

All jurisdictions should have delegates awarded in proportion to their percentage of the popular vote received.

Agreed, though with a cutoff below which you don't get any delegates.  The Dems' 15% is pretty reasonable, but I could see a case for reducing it to 10%.

Yes, you are correct, there has to be a certain threshold before delegates can be awarded.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 18, 2012, 06:02:43 PM
Here's the updated results by county. The columns on the far right show the change for each candidate from the original results.

() (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/GALLERY/2947_18_02_12_2_01_43.png)

They double counted Paris (Oxford County) - Paris and "South Paris" are identical - there is no Town of South Paris (in terms of county subdivision)...

I've got the Bangor Daily News looking into it.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 18, 2012, 06:36:04 PM
Eastbrook voted 19 Paul, 8 Santorum, 7 Romney, 0 Gingrich. One more caucus will meet on March 3, but it will be only one small town.

Here are the up-to-date county results without the Paris double count:

() (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/GALLERY/2947_18_02_12_6_35_38.png)


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 18, 2012, 07:54:46 PM
All jurisdictions should move to primaries and scrap the caucus method.

Republican primaries should be open to registered Republicans only.

Democratic primaries should be open to registered Democrats only.

All jurisdictions should have delegates awarded in proportion to their percentage of the popular vote received.

The drawback I see, however, is this may lead to no candidate receiving a majority of the delegates by the time of the convention, in a hotly contested nomination race.

That would require states like Michigan to adopt party registration.  You can't do that without the legislature's cooperation.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: I'm JewCon in name only. on February 18, 2012, 08:32:24 PM
All jurisdictions should move to primaries and scrap the caucus method.

Republican primaries should be open to registered Republicans only.

Democratic primaries should be open to registered Democrats only.

All jurisdictions should have delegates awarded in proportion to their percentage of the popular vote received.

The drawback I see, however, is this may lead to no candidate receiving a majority of the delegates by the time of the convention, in a hotly contested nomination race.

Amen


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 18, 2012, 09:19:34 PM
Has anyone made the obvious (cheap) word-based 'joke' yet?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Mehmentum on February 18, 2012, 10:01:11 PM
Amazing how long this thread has lasted.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Joe Republic on February 18, 2012, 10:11:48 PM
Amazing how long this thread has lasted.

And people said that my state's GOP were incompetent and inefficient!


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Politico on February 18, 2012, 10:24:28 PM
All jurisdictions should move to primaries and scrap the caucus method.

Republican primaries should be open to registered Republicans only.

Democratic primaries should be open to registered Democrats only.

All jurisdictions should have delegates awarded in proportion to their percentage of the popular vote received.

The drawback I see, however, is this may lead to no candidate receiving a majority of the delegates by the time of the convention, in a hotly contested nomination race.

Amen

I second this. It is absolutely absurd that Rick Santorum might win more states thanks to the support of Democrats For Obama.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Badger on February 18, 2012, 10:29:09 PM
All jurisdictions should move to primaries and scrap the caucus method.

Republican primaries should be open to registered Republicans only.

Democratic primaries should be open to registered Democrats only.

All jurisdictions should have delegates awarded in proportion to their percentage of the popular vote received.

The drawback I see, however, is this may lead to no candidate receiving a majority of the delegates by the time of the convention, in a hotly contested nomination race.

Amen
I second this. It is absolutely absurd that Rick Santorum might win more states thanks to the support of Democrats For Obama.

Ah, so THIS is the 'operation backdoor' you've been prattling about......


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 18, 2012, 11:22:09 PM
All jurisdictions should move to primaries and scrap the caucus method.

Republican primaries should be open to registered Republicans only.

Democratic primaries should be open to registered Democrats only.

All jurisdictions should have delegates awarded in proportion to their percentage of the popular vote received.

The drawback I see, however, is this may lead to no candidate receiving a majority of the delegates by the time of the convention, in a hotly contested nomination race.

Amen

I second this. It is absolutely absurd that Rick Santorum might win more states thanks to the support of Democrats For Obama.

Blame the state parties.  It's the Republican Party's fault they have open primaries/caucuses.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: ajb on February 19, 2012, 12:41:09 AM
All jurisdictions should move to primaries and scrap the caucus method.

Republican primaries should be open to registered Republicans only.

Democratic primaries should be open to registered Democrats only.

All jurisdictions should have delegates awarded in proportion to their percentage of the popular vote received.

The drawback I see, however, is this may lead to no candidate receiving a majority of the delegates by the time of the convention, in a hotly contested nomination race.

Amen

I second this. It is absolutely absurd that Rick Santorum might win more states thanks to the support of Democrats For Obama.

But the only way an Operation Backdoor kind of thing could ever work would be if the party affected was either so bad at getting out the vote, or its rank-and-file were so disaffected, that their numbers could be swamped by outsiders.

Oh, wait...


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 19, 2012, 01:30:31 AM
Uh, last I checked Santorum was winning among 'Conservative', and 'Very Conservative.'

But do go on about how 'Operation backdoor' is beating Romney.

As I predicted, the margin will narrow - but there's just not enough votes out there to beat Romney in Maine. Pity. 100+ vote margin in the NE? That's a loss.

Also good to see Santorum pushing 20 percent in Maine with Gingrich so far behind. He's basically gone up 8 points from NH.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 19, 2012, 01:33:10 AM
Uh, last I checked Santorum was winning among 'Conservative', and 'Very Conservative.'

But do go on about how 'Operation backdoor' is beating Romney.

As I predicted, the margin will narrow - but there's just not enough votes out there to beat Romney in Maine. Pity. 100+ vote margin in the NE? That's a loss.

Also good to see Santorum pushing 20 percent in Maine with Gingrich so far behind. He's basically gone up 8 points from NH.

Santorum's pretty much doubled his vote share from NH to ME.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 19, 2012, 02:17:51 PM
So is there any last-chance hope for Paul?


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Lincoln Republican on February 19, 2012, 08:48:52 PM

No, even after Washington County results, which Paul won, Romney still holds a 156 vote lead statewide overall.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Joe Republic on February 19, 2012, 09:06:02 PM

No, even after Washington County results, which Paul won, Romney still holds a 156 vote lead statewide overall.

And what a massive victory it is:  The total number of votes for Romney in the entire state of Maine is equivalent to nearly 3% of the number of votes he lost South Carolina by.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: Reginald on February 23, 2012, 03:19:02 PM
... Are we still waiting for the official results here? There don't appear to be any updates from the past couple of days.


Title: Re: Maine results thread.
Post by: RI on February 23, 2012, 05:04:35 PM
... Are we still waiting for the official results here? There don't appear to be any updates from the past couple of days.

All but one of the towns have caucused. Then we have to wait for the Maine GOP to decide what to do with the latter results.