Talk Elections

This should be good.

I fear this won't be a fun as we think since it's possible officepark is the only member [I don't want to get infracted] to believe this.

It's neither.  Though I always feel disgusted with myself for doing it.

He's not the only member. I agree with him and I'm sure there are a handful of others on here who do as well.

Neither, but the first option seems more reasonable to me than the second. :p

I'd argue that since it's harmless (BREAKING!) and makes you feel good for a minute or two, it's arugably more moral than it is neutral.

I literally don't understand how anyone can think it's immoral. My brain isn't wired that way.

EDIT:
I stand corrected. Why do you think it's immoral?

EDIT AGAIN: Oh yeah, I'm going to feel kind of weird for passionately defending masturbation in a few posts. Okay, I'll roll with it.

Maybe I should've voted 'moral'... someone once told me it prevents prostate cancer.

EDIT: Though I suppose that wouldn't really have anything to do with morality. :P

A morally neutral, if somewhat distasteful in some ways, act.

How is it immoral? If you don't maintain your equipment, awkward situations like this happen:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocturnal_emission (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocturnal_emission)

Necessary Louie scene:
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one of the most historically important Atlas threads
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=17290.0

It's immoral if you're a selfish brut and are not giving your old lady the high, hard one because you're always pounding it.  Lots of middle-aged guys are like this.  They know it's immoral.

On the other hand, if you've got a little energy left over after taking care of the family, or you are out of town and not expected to stand it up at attention like a soldier on command for anyone special, then it's generally not a problem.  Just lie back naked and squeeze one off in the hotel room and let the housekeeping staff deal with the fallout.  That's what I always do.

It keeps from doing drugs and drinking, so yes.

Or if you're one of those who don't even have an old lady, of course.

Those are immoral?

News to me.

Why don't they just masturbate without finishing, and save the 'live round' for the ladies?  I should've thought that would be standard practice for any middle aged or older man.

I stand corrected. Why do you think it's immoral?

EDIT AGAIN: Oh yeah, I'm going to feel kind of weird for passionately defending masturbation in a few posts. Okay, I'll roll with it.
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It's immoral because it is a sex act commited without the teleos of procreation within the bonds of a sacramental marriage. It reduces a human person to a sex act, bypassing the relationship component of sexuality in its entirety. So, it's a sin against the virtue of chastity.

Here's a gospel passage that condemns indirectly:

It doesn't mention masturbation directly (ARAIK the only place the Bible does that is in the Old Testament), but I think believing masturbation is included in this condemnation is the best interpretation. And of course the Church teaches it to be illicit as well.

Most people on here will require a tangible harm to another person before they will consider something "immoral" so I doubt I'll convince anyone of a thing, but nevertheless that is the rationale.

Might as well quote a Dr. Seuss book, TJ.

I can find such religious arguments that aren't Abrahamic pretty easily, but entirely secular arguments may be a bit harder to come by.

Would anyone care to explain how masturbation is, in fact, moral but not a neutral issue? :P

If would be pedophiles and rapists are jerkin' the gerkin, rather than acting out on their fantasies, masturbation makes for a very useful tool (same goes for porn). That's why I voted "moral". Regular masturbation keeps men... sane and rational. It's quite natural. If you don't release regularly, then your thoughts and dreams become more perverted, and you end up with bed accidents.

And unless you're asexual, if you're a man, it is nearly impossible to not masturbate. So, those of you who think it's immoral are hypocrites. And I hate hypocrites.

At my age they're immoral :P

I will not do it in a box,
I will not do it with a fox,
I will not cream into my socks
I just don't like to roll my rocks.

Try it, try it, you will see,
It's as easy as can be,
Spit can lube it, right on top,
Once you try it, you can't stop.

Hey, Sam I am, this is no jest,
Tossing, slapping, it's the best!
I like it since it's so much fun.
But what a mess when it's all done. 

I voted "moral" and I have to no idea why :P

Rubbing your cock Scootaloo is just rubbing your cock Scootaloo.

Masturbation is one of the most moral things you can do.  I'm dead serious here.

Neither moral nor immoral; it just is what it is.

Neither. Morality mostly has to do with interactions with other people. Since it's something you are willingly doing with yourself there's not a moral aspect to it.

Oh come on, man.  You might think TJ's position is bizarre, but you can have some basic respect.

To the OP, I don't see how this question falls within the realm of morality.

I can't wait for TJ to be out and proud in a few years.

And as for the question; it's neither. But it certainly has positive health benefits that could arguably make it more moral, than immoral, if one had to take a position.

Masturbation is not moral or immoral. It just is. It harms no one, but it doesn't really solve anything either...

It can be good as a stress reliever though.

Neither, as this question would suppose there's one fixed set of morals.

To call it immoral is a bit 16th centry though.

There have been a lot of good answers, but this one is the best I think.

Thing 1 and Thing 2 can help you with that.
Don't believe me?  Just go ask The Cat.
Perhaps it's amoral for a cat who's all black
When no one is looking to lie down and jack.


At least that's how I interpreted it:  I voted neither assuming that it means amoral (i.e., not concerned with morality.)  However, as you get older you will find that there's a real morality associated with excessive masturbation.  There's what I already mentioned, and even if you're not in a committed relationship, you're creating more laundry for your poor mother.  She's already out all day slaving away at her job to keep you in ipods and Nikes and video games.  At the very least, if you're going to pound it five times a day, you should offer to assist her with the laundry. 

Also, if you are tossing your seed to the wind every night, you'll become less interested in women.  Rosie will become your best friend, and you'll stop looking for pussy.  You'll get to a point where you can't wait to get back home after an evening out with the guys.  You'll leave early, excited to get back home and jump between the sheets.  You'll turn down potential dates with attractive, single young women, in favor of practicing self-abuse.  I guess it's like anything else:  in the abstract, and in moderation, it's rather amoral.  But if it becomes excessive and burdensome, or takes your attention away from your studies and your family, then it becomes immoral.


As for Harry and Sally, on that cold, cold wet day
What will they do while their mother's away?
They might play Twister, or Monopoly,
Or watch a porn movie, starring Ron Jeremy.   

I think it's immoral, but in a relatively benign way; I'm not going to actively comdemn anyone for it. The only person you're potentially hurting is yourself (and your partner/future partner). I'd rather people did it than slept around, though.

But how are you even hurting yourself? On what basis is there any physical or emotional 'hurt' involved? At most it could be considered hurtful if done to excess, but that is the same with numerous other things from eating to exercise. It's a healthy sexual expression (as a rule I tend not to take any moral advice on sex, relationships, marriage or children from an organisation with a male hierarchy that never experiences any of these things), and is only considered 'wrong' due to some misplaced guilt.

It's extremely easy to get addicted to, in the full sense of that word, that like alcohol it can run your life. Additionally, it desensitizes you to a lot of sexual things when done over an extended period of time. It also dilutes your brains ability to make proper oxytocin pairings through overstimulation, especially when used with porn. Those are just the physical reasons. I know these things from experience, unfortunately.

The only immoral thing about masturbation is what I think about when I am doing it. The physical act itself I don't view as immoral, but I have warped morals to begin with so I am not the best person to ask.

Neither.

It's not immoral in the sense that it's human nature.


But it is immoral if you do it public, talk about it in public, etc...

What utter rot. 

I like to do it without finishing, so there isn't any oxycodone involved anyway - just a passtime, like playing Risk online or Freecell when the net connection's down.

But as to the question posed by the (on this issue) sensible Afleitch, it can cause a slight malformation of your rutabaga, if done for more than four hours at a time.  In my experience this is always set right betimes the next night's boomsing, however.

It's good for your body, therefore "moral".

Exception is when you use a vacuum cleaner to do it. Then it's potentially unhealthy and therefore immoral.

You just need to have the right model.


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How could 17-people actually reason that it is "moral" to rub one off? It does not harm anyone and is certainly not a sin, but if an Eight grade male thinks he will be canonized for jacking off then he is certainly off base.

It should be celebrated!

Though I have to admit that prostitution would be better.

If one partner is in the mood much more so than another I would say that masturbation is moral, whether done solo or by ones partner, because it helps avoid getting into a situation where one partner is not getting their needs met (and thus may feel tempted to behave unfaithfully - that is, if he or she is in an exclusive relationship), and the other may feel pressured to have intercourse or go along with other sexual acts when she or he does not really want to do so.

The fact that people voted immoral is another sign that humans have some more social evolution to do. Also, where are these arguments that masturbation leads to unsatisfied partners coming from? Maybe if she didn't let herself look like a sack of potatoes it wouldn't be an issue.

If you’d never been born,
well then what would you be?
You might be a fish!
Or a toad in a tree!
You might be a doorknob!
Or three baked potatoes!
You might be a bag full of
hard green tomatoes.

This thread has given me a new appreciation for Dr. Seuss.

Then our mother came in
And she said to us two,
"Did you have any fun?
Tell me, tell me.
What did you do?"

And Sally and I did not
know what to say.
Should we tell her
The things that went on
there that day?

Well...what would YOU do
If your mother asked you?

   --from "The Cat in the Hat"


meow!  ;)

How so?

Distracts you I suppose.

I was wondering about that as well.  Maybe masturbation precludes drug use.  After all, it's a bit difficult to smoke meth and jack it at the same time.  On the other hand, you could argue the converse:  doing drugs prevents masturbation.  After all, if you're really stoned from smoking too much weed, it can be hard to sustain an erection.  It's all part of the Great Balancing Act.

You’ll get mixed up,
of course, as you
already know.
You’ll get mixed up
with many strange birds as you go.
So be sure when you step.
Step with care and great tact
and remember that
Life’s A Great Balancing Act.

   --from "Oh, The Places you'll go"

That was the very last Dr. Seuss book my mother gave me.  She gave it to me on the occasion of my graduation from university.  Ah, but later, when I grew up and had children of my own I started to have an excuse to collect Dr. Seuss books again.  We have quite a collection now, and I've been inspired to go back and read some of them. 

What a wonderful thread.