Talk Elections

I'm at 39 infraction points. About five of the most recent points were given because I questioned the process and motives. This will probably be deleted, too, but I wanted a chance to say that if I'm not here in the near future, it's because of others.

I'll leave you with one thing: you guys better step up and speak out against this nonsense because a select few have the ridiculous amount of power to punish people with whom they personally disagree. It's a mess.

Nobody is punishing you for personal disagreements.  Your claims here are 100% baseless.

I'm with you, Phil.  I've been at the forefront of this struggle and will remain so.  the public awareness of the issue within the membership is impressive.  whether anything will come of it, who knows.  but if not the Forum will cease to exist in its current and meaningful form.

Lol, Phil, and you're criticizing the system while trying to use it at the same time?

Yes, I report the holier-than-thou people that lecture me and others about personal attacks...then personally attack me. You know, like people saying, "Don't get mad, Phil, but you're unpleasant." That attack is fine but mine is not apparently. No personal agenda? Please.

Usually if someone calls one unpleasant, it is the former who is unpleasant. I've encountered such types on the forum. You gotta ignore them bud. No one cares what they think and you shouldn't either.

I agree with you, generally, but I also can't imagine that you have done anything so outrageous that you should be banned.  Still, if you're on the edge, then maybe it's time to relax a little.  This forum is not a democracy, and as far as I know it makes no claim of being one.  Its moderators have the right to be as arbitrary and as capricious as Dave Leip will allow.  You have to accept that.  
  
There's a time for courage, and there is a time for serenity.  Perhaps now is the time for serenity.

Peace be with you.  

I think there wouldn't be any problem right now if you were little less agressive toward other forumites. I'm not telling this to insult ot attack you, since you happen to be one of my favorite posters. That's why it would be sad to see you getting banned over this.

Phil, you forget that he made his living out of this  No offense against Torie in general but dissembling and baiting people is part of the trade craft.   

No, I'm pretty sure the problem for you is that you're an unpleasant person.

^^^5 infraction points.

Let us know how many points Franzl has, Inks. This trolling is out of control.

I don't post how many points other posters have (and we only know the top 10, and he's not in the top 10, so I don't know), and to be fair to you, since you feel that I'm biased in this situation, I'm differing this to Mikado to deal with.

REVOLUTION

It wouldn't hurt your chances if you added some election maps, Phil.  Just saying.  :P

It's absurd that Phil think he's close to being banned.  He's not even halway to 100 points.  This is just more trolling to try to get attention, as usual.

Did anybody else think of the Cool Hand Luke when reading the thread title?

if he's at 30, he's only one or two flame wars away from being carted off the field.  I think the JCrew thread last spring cost me 30...then Joe being threatened also cost me around 30, even though I wasn't directly involved.

You have deserved every point you've received.  Whether or not you were directly involved, you've trolled a lot on this forum.  So, if Phil can rack up 60 points in the next 2 months, he may be banned.  And if he keeps up the trolling at the rate that he has recently, I don't doubt that he could do that.

How has Phil been trolling? He's been overenthusiastic about a candidate (something that can hardly be unexpected on this forum) and rather abrasive in arguments, which he's been doing for 8 years.

BTW my statement about how I have never reported a single one of his posts remains true, and it's going to stay that win even if just on principle after this crap. Seriously. All the points about moderator overreach are being well proved with the snarky retorts here.

He's personally attacked other posters, and trolled in general about 2012 politics (different than being enthusiastic about Santorum), and lately, he's convinced that I'm receiving money from the Romney campaign, and accused me of moderating based on being on their payroll.

Was he exaggerating, maybe?

Phil's behavior in this thread (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=149517.0) seems pretty clearly over-the-top to me.

I think it is an ethnic thing. The mods hate Italians because we are too damn sexy.

I think you misspelled "smelly".

Excuse me?

Aren't you a smoker?

1 point. I'm sure that convinces you further of a conspiracy against you and Rick Santorum.

Yep, but thank God I aint Italian!

Personal attack



Just more moderator bias seeing as you have certainly personally attacked me more than one time.

That's a ridiculous attempt at nailing me on a technicality. Inks states that I am looking for attention. How the hell does my post count as trolling and attention but I am not attention whoring? ::)

I've said this for a long time.  I get shot down every time.  I like this forum a lot... but the amount of groupthink when it comes to forum relations is pretty awful... but is to be expected with the general demographic we have and the moderation setup.

I think the forum was better off when Alcon did most of the moderating... which wasn't all that much.  I understand it was overwhelming for him as he has gotten along with his life... but I think people should be given a wide berth with "death points" only for particularly bad personal attacks or relentless spamming.

At the same time, forum members need to unbunch their undies and stop reporting every post from posters they don't like, etc.  I'd bet a lot fewer death points would be given out if people only reported truly egregious posts.

If only, CUM, there were some way to guillotine the bastards. 

The whole idea of these death points for 'personal attack' and 'trolling' was the immediate death of free speech on this forum.  All we're doing now is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Jesus... when someone is criticizing your behavior, that's an opinion, not personal attack.

And why is Phil expecting the people around to be super-nice to him, while he's continuing to act very unkindly toward many of them?

Yet calling Torie out for being condescending is infractable. ::) If I call someone out for being a know-it-all (again, directed at Torie), I get infracted yet I can say that that's pointing out his behavior and not a personal attack. Give it up, Kal. There are blatant double standards.


Uh...what? I'm not asking anyone to be nice (let alone super nice); I'm asking not to be infracted for calling people out when they act like jackasses just like they'd do to me yet don't get infracted. You have moderators that clearly pick fights with me and others but still have moderating powers!

And the same people that will say that I'm being a whiner are the same people that say I'm being too "mean." Give me a break. If I went through and reported every nasty thing said about Santorum, half of you would be gone. I don't. But if I defend myself or my candidate in an equally forceful way, I'm on the verge of Moderator Review.

Do we have a situation here?

no, but the detachable face of his car stereo did set off the metal detector.

That depends very much on the circumstances.

Double standards? Yes, there are, but you're more likely to benefit from double standards, due to your tenure on Atlas. Certainly, you're in better position than an average newbie.

Ftr, I don't agree with infraction you mentioned above, but I don't think going out with this is going to help anyone.

@A Person, you're right, but when you post something like "you don't make sense" or "you're acting [insert]" it's not a personal attack. It's an opinion.

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That was funny, but creepy...

Inks, your act isn't working - stop trying to prove to the other Mods you don't favor me, everyone knows you'd die for me.  ;)

So put it in the Comedy Goldmine Institute before the bustards delete it.

It'd be pretty hilarious if Phil ended up being banned while I'm not, considering his history and little crusade a few years back.

Not that I would ever support his banning obviously. In fact I'm quite glad that he's making points that very clearly need to be made (though claiming that the mods are on the Romney payroll or that the Romney campaign would even care about this site is going a bit far out.)

Hey the similarities of this forum to Lost probably beg to be pointed out in this context. Shifting loyalties and conflicts that evolve, long term characters, ones who just come, Phil left "the island" yet returned just like some characters, etc.

Actually any "story" on this forum does resemble a TV series where the writers have decided to just go haywire and have given up on any type of consistent narrative or theme (another great example is post-season 3 Weeds.)

Phil needs a hug.  :(





Hug

What happened post season 3? I have not seen the later seasons.

I was infracted for pointing out that a certain poster was acting condescending, so yes, criticizing behavior is apparently a "personal attack."

The whole system needs de-regulation. Short of saying that you intend to set someone's house on fire and munch on their family pets, we should have total free speech.

I was just infracted, one again, for criticizing the behavior of a poster rather than making a personal attack on him! The arbitrary judgments of the moderating team are indefensible.

I wrote:


Note that I never called the poster himself an "idiot hack", but merely criticized his actions as idiotic and hackish. It seems that we are no longer allowed to talk about other posters at all, unless we shower them with glowing praise!<sup>1

1</sup>And even then we should be careful that our praise is not too glowing, lest we are charged with "excessive hyperbole."

the best mode of action would be for the community to migrate away from Inks moderated boards into another Board.

This could work. Boycott the Inks Boards.

Posters say nasty things about candidates all the time.  Not only Santorum, but the level of nastiness directed at Romney by forum posters is earth shattering.

Posters, apparently, can say nasty things about candidates, they just cannot say nasty things about other posters.

A fair amount of the posts people have complained about in this thread werent' even on my board (like Lief's most recent one).  But if Tweed & Co. want to boycott my boards, I think I'll be ok with that.

At least Inks is objective. He just needs to ease up and realize he is more mall cop than police officer.

But I like being able to bribe him!

There's no rule protecting robots from defamation.

I'm flattered you think I have even the power close to a mall cop... you think more highly of my position than I do.

Or maybe you think too highly of a mall cop ;)

Mall cops can kick you out and not let you back in.  Even I don't have that power.

I was being sarcastic Inksy. :)

I know... just thought it'd be fun to compare myself to a mall cop.  But hey, if I'm gonna be any type of cop, I'll at least have a gun.  If you don't have a gun, you're just a security guard at best.

They basically just go around drug dealing in different locales. First Mexico, then Seattle, then Michigan and then in the last season New York City. Which is why I'm not too fond of it anymore, it's just a comedy about drug dealing and interacting with shady people like Mexican crime lords or Wall Street ponzi scheme scammers instead of the satire on suburbia that it started out as. So yeah it's just the writers doing whatever crazy thing they want now, similar to Atlas drama. The season 3 finale works pretty well as a series finale to the entire show too so you can just pretend it ended there.

I should have said hall monitor...