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Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion => 2004 U.S. Presidential Election Results => Topic started by: Filuwaúrdjan on January 09, 2005, 09:29:04 AM



Title: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on January 09, 2005, 09:29:04 AM
Could the Loony Left (well... it's pretty much only Jfern actually. But he counts triple) and the gaggle of far right GOP one line hacks PLEASE ING SHUT UP ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT OHIO WAS "STOLEN" OR WHY "ALL DEMOCRATS ARE COMMIES" OR WHATEVER HALF BAKED CRACKPOT THEORY YOU AND YOU'RE CONSPIROCY THEORIST FRIENDS HAVE COOKED UP OVER 2 lb's OF MAGIC MUSHROOMS.

I am SICK of you PARASITES SPAMMING UP THIS FORUM... I would like to discuss some election results and not have to wade through MOUNTAINS OF BULLsh**t PRODUCED BY IMMATURE SPOILED 12 YEAR OLDS.

Thank you


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: KEmperor on January 09, 2005, 09:57:38 AM
Hmm....never thought I'd agree with Al about something, but there you are.


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: Huckleberry Finn on January 09, 2005, 11:24:59 AM
Could the Loony Left (well... it's pretty much only Jfern actually. But he counts triple) and the gaggle of far right GOP one line hacks PLEASE G SHUT UP ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT OHIO WAS "STOLEN" OR WHY "ALL DEMOCRATS ARE COMMIES" OR WHATEVER HALF BAKED CRACKPOT THEORY YOU AND YOU'RE CONSPIROCY THEORIST FRIENDS HAVE COOKED UP OVER 2 lb's OF MAGIC MUSHROOMS.

I am SICK of you PARASITES SPAMMING UP THIS FORUM... I would like to discuss some election results and not have to wade through MOUNTAINS OF BULLsh**t PRODUCED BY IMMATURE SPOILED 12 YEAR OLDS.

Thank you
applause!


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: Akno21 on January 09, 2005, 11:31:19 AM
Could the Loony Left (well... it's pretty much only Jfern actually. But he counts triple) and the gaggle of far right GOP one line hacks PLEASE G SHUT UP ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT OHIO WAS "STOLEN" OR WHY "ALL DEMOCRATS ARE COMMIES" OR WHATEVER HALF BAKED CRACKPOT THEORY YOU AND YOU'RE CONSPIROCY THEORIST FRIENDS HAVE COOKED UP OVER 2 lb's OF MAGIC MUSHROOMS.

I am SICK of you PARASITES SPAMMING UP THIS FORUM... I would like to discuss some election results and not have to wade through MOUNTAINS OF BULLsh**t PRODUCED BY IMMATURE SPOILED 12 YEAR OLDS.

Thank you

I agree. Perhaps we should set up another board, for stuff like Jfern and Philip's theories.


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: A18 on January 09, 2005, 04:54:46 PM
Could the Loony Left (well... it's pretty much only Jfern actually. But he counts triple) and the gaggle of far right GOP one line hacks PLEASE G SHUT UP ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT OHIO WAS "STOLEN" OR WHY "ALL DEMOCRATS ARE COMMIES" OR WHATEVER HALF BAKED CRACKPOT THEORY YOU AND YOU'RE CONSPIROCY THEORIST FRIENDS HAVE COOKED UP OVER 2 lb's OF MAGIC MUSHROOMS.

I am SICK of you PARASITES SPAMMING UP THIS FORUM... I would like to discuss some election results and not have to wade through MOUNTAINS OF BULLsh**t PRODUCED BY IMMATURE SPOILED 12 YEAR OLDS.

Thank you

I agree. Perhaps we should set up another board, for stuff like Jfern and Philip's theories.

Maybe we should set up another board for stuff like your theories. Such as the idiotic one that I post theories on this message board, which is without exception false.


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: phk on January 09, 2005, 05:06:02 PM
Philip should be banned


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: J. J. on January 09, 2005, 05:17:43 PM

If you ban Philip you have to ban jfern.  Auguably, Philip's posts are substantially more accurate.

Note to Philip:  Stating your posts are substantially more accurate than jfern's is not a compliment.


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: A18 on January 09, 2005, 05:20:07 PM
What have I posted that is remotely inaccurate?


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: J. J. on January 09, 2005, 05:24:55 PM
What have I posted that is remotely inaccurate?

Some of your constitutional stuff has been questionable, though you read the links that you post and what the other posters say.  Relative to the other poster mentioned, you are Brainiac.


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on January 09, 2005, 05:25:00 PM

If you ban Philip you have to ban jfern.  Auguably, Philip's posts are substantially more accurate.

Note to Philip:  Stating your posts are substantially more accurate than jfern's is not a compliment.

 you


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: A18 on January 09, 2005, 05:27:15 PM
What have I posted that is remotely inaccurate?

Some of your constitutional stuff has been questionable, though you read the links that you post and what the other posters say.  Relative to the other poster mentioned, you are Brainiac.

Well, I'm entitled to my interpretation of the Constitution, aren't I?

Jfern just makes stuff up.


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: J. J. on January 09, 2005, 05:34:51 PM
What have I posted that is remotely inaccurate?

Some of your constitutional stuff has been questionable, though you read the links that you post and what the other posters say.  Relative to the other poster mentioned, you are Brainiac.

Well, I'm entitled to my interpretation of the Constitution, aren't I?

Jfern just makes stuff up.

When you on the Supreme Court, maybe.  ;-)

I've never accused jFRAUD from making stuff up.  I've accused him of not understanding the stuff he cites.

I frankly am not in favor of banning either one of you.


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: J. J. on January 09, 2005, 05:37:11 PM

If you ban Philip you have to ban jfern.  Auguably, Philip's posts are substantially more accurate.

Note to Philip:  Stating your posts are substantially more accurate than jfern's is not a compliment.

f**ck you

Here we see an example jRAUD's brilliant and extensive vocabulary (jFRAUD, look up the word sarcasm).


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on January 09, 2005, 06:10:31 PM

If you ban Philip you have to ban jfern.  Auguably, Philip's posts are substantially more accurate.

Note to Philip:  Stating your posts are substantially more accurate than jfern's is not a compliment.

jfern is just a little deluded, Philip is a flat out troll. Philip should be banned, jfern not.


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: J. J. on January 09, 2005, 06:26:13 PM

If you ban Philip you have to ban jfern.  Auguably, Philip's posts are substantially more accurate.

Note to Philip:  Stating your posts are substantially more accurate than jfern's is not a compliment.

jfern is just a little deluded, Philip is a flat out troll. Philip should be banned, jfern not.

I frankly don't support banning either of them. 

I would also question the "little" part.  If I'm going strictly by accuracy, Philip posts "more" accurate material.  Granted, in a comparision of the two, it's not hard to do.

Now I would not suggest that because I disagree with each on certain things, that either should be banned.  JFRAUD[/i]'s language was and is slightly worse.  If it continues, and becomes more explicit , perhaps.  He was cautioned on it in September or October.


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: A18 on January 09, 2005, 06:33:53 PM
When I post a topic about the Clinton administration trying to spread "rape genes," let me know.


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: Gabu on January 09, 2005, 06:41:27 PM
Could the Loony Left (well... it's pretty much only Jfern actually. But he counts triple) and the gaggle of far right GOP one line hacks PLEASE G SHUT UP ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT OHIO WAS "STOLEN" OR WHY "ALL DEMOCRATS ARE COMMIES" OR WHATEVER HALF BAKED CRACKPOT THEORY YOU AND YOU'RE CONSPIROCY THEORIST FRIENDS HAVE COOKED UP OVER 2 lb's OF MAGIC MUSHROOMS.

I am SICK of you PARASITES SPAMMING UP THIS FORUM... I would like to discuss some election results and not have to wade through MOUNTAINS OF BULLsh**t PRODUCED BY IMMATURE SPOILED 12 YEAR OLDS.

Thank you

Al gets the prize for best and funniest post of the week.


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: Alcon on January 09, 2005, 07:56:58 PM
I'm not quite as angry about all of this as Al (deep breaths, my friend ;) but I fundamentally agree. You can privately think Ohio is stolen, but as a whole, you're making the party look really dumb and flooding this forum.

Let's take a cue and "MoveOn."


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: J. J. on January 09, 2005, 08:09:22 PM
I'm not quite as angry about all of this as Al (deep breaths, my friend ;) but I fundamentally agree. You can privately think Ohio is stolen, but as a whole, you're making the party look really dumb and flooding this forum.

Let's take a cue and "MoveOn."

I hope that there has been a distiction drawn between the party and the poster.


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: Alcon on January 09, 2005, 08:10:12 PM
I'm not quite as angry about all of this as Al (deep breaths, my friend ;) but I fundamentally agree. You can privately think Ohio is stolen, but as a whole, you're making the party look really dumb and flooding this forum.

Let's take a cue and "MoveOn."

I hope that there has been a distiction drawn between the party and the poster.

Sadly, this is very rarely done.


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: Gabu on January 09, 2005, 09:42:01 PM
I'm not quite as angry about all of this as Al (deep breaths, my friend ;) but I fundamentally agree. You can privately think Ohio is stolen, but as a whole, you're making the party look really dumb and flooding this forum.

Let's take a cue and "MoveOn."

I hope that there has been a distiction drawn between the party and the poster.

Sadly, the fallacy of Hasty Generalization is both one of the easiest of all to commit and quite possibly the most damaging.


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: J. J. on January 09, 2005, 10:19:33 PM
I'm not quite as angry about all of this as Al (deep breaths, my friend ;) but I fundamentally agree. You can privately think Ohio is stolen, but as a whole, you're making the party look really dumb and flooding this forum.

Let's take a cue and "MoveOn."

I hope that there has been a distiction drawn between the party and the poster.

Sadly, the fallacy of Hasty Generalization is both one of the easiest of all to commit and quite possibly the most damaging.

There is a clear difference between the Loony Left and the whole Democratic Party.


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: agcatter on January 09, 2005, 10:45:42 PM
You know, I would agree with that statement.  In the building I teach in there are a number of Democrats who voted for Kerry.  About half of them are Michael Moore fans.  That leaves half the Democrats as somewhat sane.

Problem is that the Democratic Party has allowed the Moore wing to define their party.

It's killing their party in elections.  Memo to Jimmy Carter:  don't ask Jabba the wingnut to share your box at any future Democratic Convention even though I'm pretty sure that you've adopted his ideology.  Try to keep it a secret.


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: Alcon on January 09, 2005, 10:47:27 PM
Moore is wrong and way too far-left, but I wouldn't go as far as to call him insane. I rarely hear anything from him that makes me think "wow, what a horrible thing to say." Occasionally, yes, but rarely.

He's just a wingnut who earns his living by being a wingnut.


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: agcatter on January 09, 2005, 11:08:20 PM
I would agree that he plays hard to the wingnut base and uses it to make his living.  To a certain extent, Coulter plays the same financial game on the right.  Smart $$ policy for them, but stupid politics for the Dems to have gotten as close to Moore as they did.  After 9-11, it was particularly stupid.  Played right into Rove's hands.

I firmly believe the Democratic Party has to put some good distance between them and Mr. Moore.  Half the Democratic senators attended the Washington opening of Moore's film.  (including EX SENATOR Daschle) That's plain crazy.  It's kind of like if Bush senior sat with Falwell and Robertson at the Republican Convention.  It colors the party and chases away rational voters in droves.

Alcon, people like you are the way back for the Democratic Party.  Moore along with the Hollywood left are absolutely killing any chance the Dems have to regain power.  People like yourself will need to take back your party in order to win.  Had Senator Lieberman been nominated, Ohio, NM, and Iowa would have gone Democratic and January 20th would have been a much happier occasion for the party of Jefferson.


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: Gabu on January 09, 2005, 11:16:44 PM
I'm not quite as angry about all of this as Al (deep breaths, my friend ;) but I fundamentally agree. You can privately think Ohio is stolen, but as a whole, you're making the party look really dumb and flooding this forum.

Let's take a cue and "MoveOn."

I hope that there has been a distiction drawn between the party and the poster.

Sadly, the fallacy of Hasty Generalization is both one of the easiest of all to commit and quite possibly the most damaging.

There is a clear difference between the Loony Left and the whole Democratic Party.

To you, thankfully.  I've seen tons of people who look at the so-called Loony Left and think, "Yep, that's the Democratic Party/liberals."


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: J. J. on January 09, 2005, 11:32:30 PM
I'm not quite as angry about all of this as Al (deep breaths, my friend ;) but I fundamentally agree. You can privately think Ohio is stolen, but as a whole, you're making the party look really dumb and flooding this forum.

Let's take a cue and "MoveOn."

I hope that there has been a distiction drawn between the party and the poster.

Sadly, the fallacy of Hasty Generalization is both one of the easiest of all to commit and quite possibly the most damaging.

There is a clear difference between the Loony Left and the whole Democratic Party.

To you, thankfully.  I've seen tons of people who look at the so-called Loony Left and think, "Yep, that's the Democratic Party/liberals."

I'm tempted to say, now you know how I feel about Pat Robertson.  :-)

Here is something that I think is worth posting, from the category of Democrats who Don't think Ohio was 'Stolen':

In all fairness you should add to this list, John Kerry and most of the Congressional Democratic leadership.  That is to their credit.


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: Gabu on January 09, 2005, 11:43:02 PM
I'm tempted to say, now you know how I feel about Pat Robertson.  :-)

Here is something that I think is worth posting, from the category of Democrats who Don't think Ohio was 'Stolen':

In all fairness you should add to this list, John Kerry and most of the Congressional Democratic leadership.  That is to their credit.

Oh, I'm not claiming that the same doesn't happen to Republicans.  It certainly does; you have your Radical Right and we have our Loony Left.  As I said in another topic, 90% of the members of both parties are good, rational people whose image is tarnished by the extremist 10% of the party.  I do my best not to associate people like you with Pat Robertson.  Believe me, I know how aggravating it is.


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: J. J. on January 10, 2005, 03:27:02 PM
I'm tempted to say, now you know how I feel about Pat Robertson.  :-)

Here is something that I think is worth posting, from the category of Democrats who Don't think Ohio was 'Stolen':

In all fairness you should add to this list, John Kerry and most of the Congressional Democratic leadership.  That is to their credit.

Oh, I'm not claiming that the same doesn't happen to Republicans.  It certainly does; you have your Radical Right and we have our Loony Left.  As I said in another topic, 90% of the members of both parties are good, rational people whose image is tarnished by the extremist 10% of the party.  I do my best not to associate people like you with Pat Robertson.  Believe me, I know how aggravating it is.

Gabu, to you think there is a "Rational Center" and we might both be in it?  :-)


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: A18 on January 10, 2005, 04:20:39 PM
Has government passed a law censoring you, or do you have no understanding of the concept of freedom of speech?

Your idiot conspiracy theories should not be censored by the government. That doesn't mean anyone has to take it seriously, or that we want our forum flooded with a bunch of trollish garbage.


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: A18 on January 10, 2005, 04:24:48 PM
Uh, sorry. A one thousand vote margin and a 120 thousand vote margin are not the same thing.

I actually oppose any more recounts in Washington, but if you paid attention, you'd know Rossi was originally ahead.

Oh, and you are a bigot, who lost jobs in the last 4 years, and cannot stand on your own record.


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: A18 on January 10, 2005, 05:12:11 PM
No argument there, but you and jfern have post-traumatic election disorder.


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: J. J. on January 10, 2005, 05:49:05 PM
Anyway, this is a knife that cuts both ways.

Republicans only want recounts when the results don't go there way. It is REPUBLICANS who are SORE LOSERS:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-12-29-governor-recount_x.htm

It is the looney right who voted for Emperor Bush, who started a premptive war against Iraq, killing 100,000 plus.
Remember Bush is the one who has created a mountain of debt, and lost jobs in the last four years. He is also a bigot when it comes to gay marriage; he used that as a wedge issue because he couldn't stand on his own record.

MacFarlan, if you really want to see what the Republicans are saying about the evidence in WA, look here:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=14537.60

Now, I like to see Rossi win, but I need some evidence before I'm going to stand up and delare the election fraudulant.

If the Loony Left wants to proclaim that OH was stolen, I don't have a problem with it.  I certainly don't want the Right to claim something that in a different state and I'll engage in a dialogue to show that there is a lack an evidence that WA was stolen by the Democrats.


Title: Re: Please SHUT UP about Ohio et al
Post by: DanimalBr on January 10, 2005, 11:13:44 PM
Forget Ohio.  I just uncovered an even bigger story.   It turns out that Bob Dole really won the 1996 election.  Check it out. 

http://thomasgalvin.blogspot.com/2004_11_11_thomasgalvin_archive.html


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