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Title: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: BigSkyBob on March 21, 2012, 11:01:02 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/top-romney-adviser-mitt-will-erase-his-conservative-positions-once-hes-the-nominee/2012/03/21/gIQAMYOlRS_blog.html

Romney advisor equates Romney breaking every promise he made to conservatives to win their votes with shaking an Etch A Sketch. The man has no core, and no principles other than the belief that he ought to be President.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Volrath50 on March 21, 2012, 11:09:01 AM
Depending on the play this gets, the could give Santorum a final, last wind.

Probably not though.

That advisor ought to be fired, no one should be stupid enough to say that in public, even if everyone knows it is true.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: BigSkyBob on March 21, 2012, 11:11:16 AM
Depending on the play this gets, the could give Santorum a final, last wind.

Probably not though.

That advisor ought to be fired, no one should be stupid enough to say that in public, even if everyone knows it is true.

It is Romney whom ought to be fired. Scapegoating an underlying for Romney's character flaws would just compound the offense.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Insula Dei on March 21, 2012, 11:13:47 AM
Classical example of what happens when one blurs the line between what everybody knows and what everybody is supposed to know.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 21, 2012, 11:20:59 AM
And we are "purists" for trying to expose a fraud? ::)


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Bacon King on March 21, 2012, 11:21:43 AM
I'm pretty sure everyone was already expecting this, but it's interesting to see it stated so directly.

On that note, this is exactly why Romney is such an overrated candidate for the General election. The Obama campaign team certainly won't pass on the opportunity to highlight every single flip-flop Romney makes once he wins the primary, and will blanket the airwaves with ads attacking his integrity. Hell, imagine the debates, even- Obama is infamous for keeping his cool, while Romney has gotten visibly flustered every time he's been attacked by an opponent. Poor Mittens won't stand a chance.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Torie on March 21, 2012, 11:24:21 AM
It is not clear to me the guy was speaking for Romney as opposed to winging it. But sure the emphasis will change. I doubt Mittens will be abandoning any of his positions however, including his ill considered tax rate cut. That would just backfire among other things.

I don't think Mittens will get flustered either. It is easier to debate someone where your policy positions are so different, and you can just attack the incumbent's performance, which will not be difficult.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: BigSkyBob on March 21, 2012, 11:27:07 AM
Classical example of what happens when one blurs the line between what everybody knows and what everybody is supposed to know.

What the electorate should expect from politician is the Truth.

If "everyone" really knew it, it wouldn't be news. The point is that it is something everybody on the inside already knows, but is not stated because some of the benighted sheeple on the outside aren't aware of it, yet.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 21, 2012, 11:29:41 AM
While this is surely pretty bad news for the Romney campaign, he can take some solace in the fact that he'll now be able to engage in one of his favorite activities: firing someone!


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Meeker on March 21, 2012, 11:33:17 AM
lulz. This would be bad for any candidate but for Mittens it's particularly awful.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Volrath50 on March 21, 2012, 11:38:26 AM
The etch-a-sketch imagery would work really well for an attack ad by Santorum or Obama, if they can get away without trademark/copyright problems


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Insula Dei on March 21, 2012, 11:40:09 AM
Classical example of what happens when one blurs the line between what everybody knows and what everybody is supposed to know.

What the electorate should expect from politician is the Truth.

If "everyone" really knew it, it wouldn't be news. The point is that it is something everybody on the inside already knows, but is not stated because some of the benighted sheeple on the outside aren't aware of it, yet.

No, no, the 'news' here isn't that Romney would be ready to ditch his current platform at a moment's notice. Everybody already knew that, it's not like this forum is stuffed with campaign 'insiders' or as if the media haven't been reminding the electorate of some of Romney's previous U-turns over the past 12 months. The news is that the electorate now is told in no unclear terms that it is okay for them to know Romney doesn't have any real core beliefs.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Bull Moose Base on March 21, 2012, 11:43:35 AM
Depending on the play this gets, the could give Santorum a final, last wind.

He's still windsurfing in Puerto Rico?


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: © tweed on March 21, 2012, 12:08:43 PM
same sh**t as Obama and NAFTA 2008.  if one is worse than the other it is by degrees.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on March 21, 2012, 02:08:14 PM
Hopefully the Obama campaign will tackle this.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: King on March 21, 2012, 02:16:55 PM
Considering how Romney is going to win the nomination on delegate math and not actually knocking out his conservative opponents, Obama would do well to have his SPACs go after Romney, not in swing states, but in conservative areas in hopes of literally depressing the voter turnout.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Politico on March 21, 2012, 02:19:54 PM
Team Obama is screwed if their whole strategy revolves around painting Romney as a flip-flopper. Why?

A) It was used in 2004 by the Bush campaign against John Kerry, a more notorious flip-flopper than Mitt Romney even. Bush BARELY beat Kerry (e.g., a swing in Ohio the size of Ohio State's football stadium would have given Kerry the presidency). And this was in an environment where gasoline cost less than $2/gallon and unemployment was less than 5%. We were also in the middle of a war that caused many to rally to the cause of the Commander-in-Chief. Obama has none of these advantages.

B) Bush's top strategist is a backer of the Romney campaign. It is not much of a stretch to imagine that the man who invented attacking a presidential candidate over flip-flopping is also well-aware of how to adequately defend against such charges. In other words, good luck beating Rove at his own game.

The truth of the matter is that Mitt will continue to have a moderate TEMPERAMENT coupled with the ideas he presented in his victory speech tonight. That speech last night is what Mitt is going to run on, with continued fine tuning between now and November. It's going to work unless 2012 really is the end of the world. The only reason Obama won in 2008 is because everything fell right for him (i.e., the financial crisis, McCain's horrendous pick of Palin, etc.). 2012 is not the same ballpark as 2008. Hell, it's not even the same game.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: TheGlobalizer on March 21, 2012, 02:22:32 PM
No f**king sh**.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: ajb on March 21, 2012, 02:25:15 PM
Team Obama is screwed if their whole strategy revolves around painting Romney as a flip-flopper. Why?



I suspect that the Obama campaign will focus mostly on Romney being out of touch with the needs and concerns of ordinary people. The flip-flopping will be more the icing on the cake.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Politico on March 21, 2012, 02:29:44 PM
Team Obama is screwed if their whole strategy revolves around painting Romney as a flip-flopper. Why?



I suspect that the Obama campaign will focus mostly on Romney being out of touch with the needs and concerns of ordinary people.

They can try that, much like Carter did in 1980, but Obama will be the incumbent who is presiding over gasoline at $4-5/gallon and unemployment in excess of 8% with real unemployment in the double digits. Like Carter in 1980 and Bush in 1992, the last two incumbents to lose re-election, Obama is presiding over days of malaise. "ROMNEY RICH = ROMNEY BAD" is not enough in this environment with Romney NOT being the incumbent.

I hate to say it, but if I were in charge of Obama's team I would believe that my only chance of victory starts with bombing Iran, and causing a successful military engagement there. I do not see how Obama can win unless something dramatic happens in the foreign policy realm that Obama can use to his advantage.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 21, 2012, 02:31:52 PM
Yes, Obama's only chance of winning the election that intrade currently has him at a 60% favorite in against the candidate he is currently leading in basically all the polls, is to start a war. Good advice Politico.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on March 21, 2012, 02:32:06 PM
I hate to say it, but if I were in charge of Obama's team I would believe that my only chance of victory starts with bombing Iran.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: King on March 21, 2012, 02:36:35 PM
I like how ever Politico response to a thread like this is "Obama is screwed if his campaign can only revolve around X."

The good news for Obama is that there's well over a 1000 of these Xs for Obama's campaign to orbit.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on March 21, 2012, 02:36:56 PM
They can try that, much like Carter did in 1980, but Obama will be the incumbent who is presiding over gasoline at $4-5/gallon and unemployment in excess of 8% with real unemployment in the double digits. Like Carter in 1980 and Bush in 1992, the last two incumbents to lose re-election, Obama is presiding over days of malaise. "ROMNEY RICH = ROMNEY BAD" is not enough in this environment with Romney NOT being the incumbent.

I hate to say it, but if I were in charge of Obama's team I would believe that my only chance of victory starts with bombing Iran, and causing a successful military engagement there. I do not see how Obama can win unless something dramatic happens in the foreign policy realm that Obama can use to his advantage.

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Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Fuzzybigfoot on March 21, 2012, 02:40:18 PM
lol (http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/obama-job-approval)


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Earthling on March 21, 2012, 02:43:05 PM
Ask him about McDonnell helping Romney in Virginia and North Carolina when he is on the ticket.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 21, 2012, 02:50:10 PM
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Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Gass3268 on March 21, 2012, 02:52:30 PM
Ask him about McDonnell helping Romney in Virginia and North Carolina when he is on the ticket.

In his case VP would stand for Vaginal Probe.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 21, 2012, 02:54:49 PM
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from Santorum's twitter


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Gass3268 on March 21, 2012, 02:55:35 PM
Awesome!


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Politico on March 21, 2012, 03:03:09 PM
Unlike slackers who are content to live in their parents' basement well into their 20s (30s?), most of America is not satisfied with mediocrity, especially after the promises of "hope" and "change" in 2008. This environment is not conducive to winning re-election. It is why Obama is in trouble unless something positive happens in the foreign policy realm.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: I'm JewCon in name only. on March 21, 2012, 03:07:03 PM
What a piece of sh**.

I'm going Indy until this election is over. I refuse to be in the same party as this loser.


#ScrewYouMitt


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: ajb on March 21, 2012, 03:10:47 PM
Team Obama is screwed if their whole strategy revolves around painting Romney as a flip-flopper. Why?



I suspect that the Obama campaign will focus mostly on Romney being out of touch with the needs and concerns of ordinary people.



I hate to say it, but if I were in charge of Obama's team I would believe that my only chance of victory starts with bombing Iran, and causing a successful military engagement there.

You don't hate to say it. Clearly you enjoy saying it a great deal.

In terms of job creation, Obama's record is much better, of course, if you look only at private-sector jobs. The public sector has shrunk, as you know, in his time in office. Despite this having been a worse recession than the one that began in 2001, private-sector job creation has been significantly faster under Obama than under Bush II.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/government-jobs-bouyed-bushs-economy-and-sunk-obamas-chart.php


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Bull Moose Base on March 21, 2012, 03:23:10 PM
Unlike slackers who are content to live in their parents' basement well into their 20s (30s?), most of America is not satisfied with mediocrity

Speaking of 30s, that's also the decade FDR won re-election with unemployment at 17%.  And the job approval range of last incumbents to lose.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Meeker on March 21, 2012, 03:42:16 PM

Well that didn't take long.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Yank2133 on March 21, 2012, 03:58:47 PM
Every candidate does this....the problem is Romney doesn't know how to do it without sounding like a desperate jackass.

He is like a basketball player who can't pivot.......


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on March 21, 2012, 04:02:05 PM
He didn't say he would flip-flop on everything, but good grief, who thought that'd be a good thing to say????  That dude needs to be fired ASAP.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: ajb on March 21, 2012, 04:06:04 PM
The DNC already has an Etch-A-Sketch web ad up:
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/03/21/dnc_puts_out_etch-a-sketch_video.html


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on March 21, 2012, 04:32:03 PM
How did this guy get to be a campaign advisor? All candidates do this, but why would anyone say this? They are already making videos taking things Romney has said out of context, the general election has practically started, and now this? I'm absolutely through with being frustrated at this idiotic campaign, I mean after a huge success, then this happens? I'm out. Looks I won't get to vote in the primary either, since PA is Rick's state me voting for him would be pointless as I'm not politically active enough to waste time voting in a uncontested race.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Likely Voter on March 21, 2012, 05:06:50 PM
The DNC already has an Etch-A-Sketch web ad up:
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/03/21/dnc_puts_out_etch-a-sketch_video.html

The irony is the Dems are arguing this is proof that Romney is going to try to hide his true extreme agenda and Santorum and Gingrich are arguing that he is hiding his true moderate agenda


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on March 21, 2012, 05:20:52 PM
The DNC already has an Etch-A-Sketch web ad up:
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/03/21/dnc_puts_out_etch-a-sketch_video.html

The irony is the Dems are arguing this is proof that Romney is going to try to hide his true extreme agenda and Santorum and Gingrich are arguing that he is hiding his true moderate agenda

That's what happens when you have two faces. Sooner or later you forget which is the real one.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: BigSkyBob on March 21, 2012, 06:29:31 PM
How did this guy get to be a campaign advisor?


The real question is how Romney was ever taken seriously as a candidate.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on March 21, 2012, 06:34:32 PM
How did this guy get to be a campaign advisor?

I'm guessing he probably isn't anymore. ;)


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Lincoln Republican on March 21, 2012, 06:40:43 PM
As usual, people start taking a statement out of context.

But this idiot of a so called advisor should be fired in no uncertain terms.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: BigSkyBob on March 21, 2012, 08:36:18 PM
As usual, people start taking a statement out of context.

But this idiot of a so called advisor should be fired in no uncertain terms.

The statement simply wasn't "taken out of context."


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Bull Moose Base on March 21, 2012, 08:54:45 PM
As usual, people start taking a statement out of context.

But this idiot of a so called advisor should be fired in no uncertain terms.

The statement simply wasn't "taken out of context."

Also, a different Romney adviser already boasted about the strategy of taking rivals' words out of context so...


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Lincoln Republican on March 21, 2012, 09:17:58 PM
As usual, people start taking a statement out of context.

But this idiot of a so called advisor should be fired in no uncertain terms.

The statement simply wasn't "taken out of context."

Obviously this stupid remark by this idiotic hopefully former advisor was taken out of context.

When one is in a Presidential campaign, it is conducted differently than a primary campaign.

Clearly a Presidential campaign differs from a primary campaign in terms of organization.

That is what was meant by this statement.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: BigSkyBob on March 21, 2012, 09:38:11 PM
As usual, people start taking a statement out of context.

But this idiot of a so called advisor should be fired in no uncertain terms.

The statement simply wasn't "taken out of context."

Obviously this stupid remark by this idiotic hopefully former advisor was taken out of context.

When one is in a Presidential campaign, it is conducted differently than a primary campaign.

No, in each case you state your case to the electorate. Everything said before the convention is as much a part of that case as things said after the convention.

While the remark was "stupid," it simply wasn't "taken out of context." He said what he meant, and meant what he said.

Quote
Clearly a Presidential campaign differs from a primary campaign in terms of organization.

That is what was meant by this statement.

How stupid do you think the folks here are?


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Lincoln Republican on March 21, 2012, 09:45:53 PM
You miss my point.

A Presidential campaign is obviously organized differently from a primary campaign.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on March 21, 2012, 09:57:14 PM
Some things to consider:

1. What people consider to be flip flopping differs greatly

2. The person who would most need to flip flop is not Romney but Santorum as Santorum has been the one to take more extreme positions and talk about less than important issues.

Romney will most likely repudiate the Arizona Immigration Law (and other state laws he has had the misfortune of commenting on. I have some ideas on how this will play out but that isn't the subject of this thread). He was also insist that he has been totally misrepresented and always supported gov't financial support for management bankruptcy of auto companies (this actually isn't completely untrue). Talk of federal right to work will go away.

Then there is whatever constitutes a likely olive branch to Ron Paul and his people. I almost want to say this will occur whether Romney needs the delegates or not. Either him realizing their importance the way Mike Steele did or it being forced on him by the Ninjas.

But Romney's general focus on the economy, defict and such won't change. They are the issues of the day and the issues which the election will likely hinge, possibly along with healthcare.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: BigSkyBob on March 21, 2012, 10:14:14 PM
You miss my point.

A Presidential campaign is obviously organized differently from a primary campaign.

Unless everyone working for the campaign is presumed to submit their resignation the day after the convention, any Etch-A-Sketch analogy isn't accurate. Team Romney will stay. Only his promises to Republican primary voters will be discarded.

His meaning was clear: the words Mitt Romney used to pursue the nomination were not in any way binding on Mitt Romney the moment he seizes the nomination. Why should "swing" voters in the general believe a single word Romney has to say to them after the words he said to primary voters were rescinded the minute he seized the nomination?


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Lincoln Republican on March 21, 2012, 10:30:37 PM
It is really sad to see those who despise Romney so much latch onto a stupid statement by an idiotic campaign advisor about using a ridiculous etch a sketch analogy and blowing it completely out of all proportion and turning it into something completely different than what was intended by the one who made the statement.



Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Joe Republic on March 21, 2012, 10:39:00 PM
It is really sad to see those who despise Romney so much latch onto a stupid statement by an idiotic campaign advisor about using a ridiculous etch a sketch analogy and blowing it completely out of all proportion and turning it into something completely different than what was intended by the one who made the statement.

It is even sadder to see a fifty-six word sentence unbroken by any punctuation until the end.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on March 21, 2012, 10:41:40 PM
Team Obama is screwed if their whole strategy revolves around painting Romney as a flip-flopper. Why?

A) It was used in 2004 by the Bush campaign against John Kerry, a more notorious flip-flopper than Mitt Romney even. Bush BARELY beat Kerry (e.g., a swing in Ohio the size of Ohio State's football stadium would have given Kerry the presidency). And this was in an environment where gasoline cost less than $2/gallon and unemployment was less than 5%. We were also in the middle of a war that caused many to rally to the cause of the Commander-in-Chief. Obama has none of these advantages.

B) Bush's top strategist is a backer of the Romney campaign. It is not much of a stretch to imagine that the man who invented attacking a presidential candidate over flip-flopping is also well-aware of how to adequately defend against such charges. In other words, good luck beating Rove at his own game.

The truth of the matter is that Mitt will continue to have a moderate TEMPERAMENT coupled with the ideas he presented in his victory speech tonight. That speech last night is what Mitt is going to run on, with continued fine tuning between now and November. It's going to work unless 2012 really is the end of the world. The only reason Obama won in 2008 is because everything fell right for him (i.e., the financial crisis, McCain's horrendous pick of Palin, etc.). 2012 is not the same ballpark as 2008. Hell, it's not even the same game.

Romney has way out flipped Kerry, and Romney is clearly severely conservative.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on March 21, 2012, 10:43:20 PM
The DNC already has an Etch-A-Sketch web ad up:
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/03/21/dnc_puts_out_etch-a-sketch_video.html

The irony is the Dems are arguing this is proof that Romney is going to try to hide his true extreme agenda and Santorum and Gingrich are arguing that he is hiding his true moderate agenda

Is there a single issue where Romney's current position is to the left of Bush?


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on March 21, 2012, 11:28:43 PM
The DNC already has an Etch-A-Sketch web ad up:
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/03/21/dnc_puts_out_etch-a-sketch_video.html

The irony is the Dems are arguing this is proof that Romney is going to try to hide his true extreme agenda and Santorum and Gingrich are arguing that he is hiding his true moderate agenda

Is there a single issue where Romney's current position is to the left of Bush?

You will reveive an automated response in the affirmative sometime in mid August. :P


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on March 21, 2012, 11:59:31 PM
The DNC already has an Etch-A-Sketch web ad up:
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/03/21/dnc_puts_out_etch-a-sketch_video.html

The irony is the Dems are arguing this is proof that Romney is going to try to hide his true extreme agenda and Santorum and Gingrich are arguing that he is hiding his true moderate agenda

Is there a single issue where Romney's current position is to the left of Bush?

There will be tomorrow.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: BigSkyBob on March 22, 2012, 12:40:27 AM
It is really sad to see those who despise Romney so much latch onto a stupid statement by an idiotic campaign advisor about using a ridiculous etch a sketch analogy and blowing it completely out of all proportion and turning it into something completely different than what was intended by the one who made the statement.



I think that "idiotic" adviser said what he meant, and meant what he said: swing voters in the fall matter to him, and rank-and-file Republican don't. That has been pretty much SOP for establishment Republicans. The only thing he'd think was "idiotic" was making that revelation while his campaign was still in boob-bait-for-bubba mode.

The actual conservative whom helped Romney turn around his debate performances against Gingrich was fired. Given that track record, this moderate will probably be promoted, and, promised a cushy job.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Matthew on March 22, 2012, 12:45:04 AM
It's very typical for a canidate to go towards the center come the general election. This isn't a big deal!


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on March 22, 2012, 12:47:28 AM
It's very typical for a canidate to go towards the center come the general election. This isn't a big deal!

Yes, but openly revealing your plan to deceive your base is a big deal.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on March 22, 2012, 01:08:45 AM
It's very typical for a canidate to go towards the center come the general election. This isn't a big deal!

Yes, but openly revealing your plan to deceive your base is a big deal.

Romney isn't deceiving his base of his fellow 0.01%ers who want to become even richer.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Frodo on March 22, 2012, 06:33:35 AM
I guess the thinking of this adviser is that if he reveals that Romney has plans for the general election campaign to repudiate the conservative positions he has taken in order to win the nomination, it will increase pressure on Romney not to. 

Just a thought. 


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on March 22, 2012, 08:23:17 AM
I guess the thinking of this adviser is that if he reveals that Romney has plans for the general election campaign to repudiate the conservative positions he has taken in order to win the nomination, it will increase pressure on Romney not to. 

Just a thought. 

Actually that is not as crazy as it sounds. This isn't the first time that Romney or his allies were allegedly undermined by either disloyalty or the advancement of alterior motives by campaign staff.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin on March 22, 2012, 09:30:07 AM
This isn't a huge deal, although I think it will help Santorum at least a little. But it does show that the strategy of hanging on and hoping that Romney will blow his own candidacy up with a badly placed malapropism before he secures the nomination is not completely hopeless.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Insula Dei on March 22, 2012, 11:13:26 AM
How did this guy get to be a campaign advisor?

I'm guessing he probably isn't anymore. ;)

Yeah. Romney, after all, likes to fire people.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: TheGlobalizer on March 22, 2012, 12:54:14 PM
FWIW, I prefer a flip-flopper to someone who sticks to idiotic positions.

Also, Ron Paul.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Oakvale on March 22, 2012, 01:13:22 PM
someone who sticks to idiotic positions.

Ron Paul.

Yes indeed.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: argentarius on March 22, 2012, 02:15:18 PM
FWIW, I prefer a flip-flopper to someone who sticks to idiotic positions.

Also, Ron Paul.
But so what if they're only claiming to change their opinion.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Yank2133 on March 22, 2012, 02:26:34 PM
It's very typical for a canidate to go towards the center come the general election. This isn't a big deal!

Yes, but openly revealing your plan to deceive your base is a big deal.

Especially when everyone already thinks you will say anything to get elected.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Volrath50 on March 22, 2012, 05:10:47 PM
Weirdly enough, Etch-a-Sketch stock is up 140% today.

http://www.google.com/finance?q=oart

http://www.cnbc.com/id/46823585


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Politico on March 22, 2012, 05:57:47 PM
You miss my point.

A Presidential campaign is obviously organized differently from a primary campaign.

Unless everyone working for the campaign is presumed to submit their resignation the day after the convention, any Etch-A-Sketch analogy isn't accurate. Team Romney will stay. Only his promises to Republican primary voters will be discarded.

His meaning was clear: the words Mitt Romney used to pursue the nomination were not in any way binding on Mitt Romney the moment he seizes the nomination. Why should "swing" voters in the general believe a single word Romney has to say to them after the words he said to primary voters were rescinded the minute he seized the nomination?


No matter who you are, you have to say certain things to win a nomination. No matter who you are, you have to say certain things differently to win the general election. No matter who you are, you need to do both to become president and actually accomplish things.

The only people who are benefiting from this circus are those in the media who need high ratings (Rush Limbaugh and his ilk included).


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: Lincoln Republican on March 22, 2012, 09:27:54 PM
The definitive and only true explanation:

“As we move from the primary to the general election, the campaign changes,” spokeswoman Andrea Saul said. “It’s a different race, with different candidates, and the main issue now becomes President Obama’s failure to create jobs and get this economy moving.”



Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: TheGlobalizer on March 23, 2012, 03:18:06 PM

Also, Obama.


Title: Re: Romney to Flip-flop If He Wins Convention
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on March 23, 2012, 07:45:53 PM
You miss my point.

A Presidential campaign is obviously organized differently from a primary campaign.

Unless everyone working for the campaign is presumed to submit their resignation the day after the convention, any Etch-A-Sketch analogy isn't accurate. Team Romney will stay. Only his promises to Republican primary voters will be discarded.

His meaning was clear: the words Mitt Romney used to pursue the nomination were not in any way binding on Mitt Romney the moment he seizes the nomination. Why should "swing" voters in the general believe a single word Romney has to say to them after the words he said to primary voters were rescinded the minute he seized the nomination?


No matter who you are, you have to say certain things to win a nomination. No matter who you are, you have to say certain things differently to win the general election. No matter who you are, you need to do both to become president and actually accomplish things.

The only people who are benefiting from this circus are those in the media who need high ratings (Rush Limbaugh and his ilk included).

No, you do not have to say certain things differently to win a general election at all.  If you truly stand by your positions, then you shouldn't have a problem talking about them despite the type of electorate you're faced with.  Swing voters don't want someone who's going to put on a new mask for every election they run in.  It didn't work for Kerry, and it won't work for Romney, who has taken flip-flopping to a completely different level.