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Title: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: ShadowRocket on March 23, 2012, 02:49:59 PM
Aside from possibly Delaware, Wisconsin is Santorum's best chance at getting a shot in at Romney out of all the April contests. So who do you think will win there at this juncture?



Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 23, 2012, 02:55:05 PM
Mittens.


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: NHI on March 23, 2012, 02:57:34 PM
Romney.


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: TheGlobalizer on March 23, 2012, 03:17:07 PM
Romney, double digits.


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 23, 2012, 03:26:41 PM
Way too early to say


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on March 23, 2012, 03:28:32 PM
It will be close either way.


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: tmthforu94 on March 23, 2012, 03:59:30 PM
The race will narrow after Wisconsin, then Romney will slowly start to pull away and will lead by around 10 points on Election Day. He wins by about 8, Santorum will claim victory as it "wasn't enough", and the race continues, though his support slightly decreases.


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: Torie on March 23, 2012, 04:03:28 PM
The race will narrow after Wisconsin, then Romney will slowly start to pull away and will lead by around 10 points on Election Day. He wins by about 8, Santorum will claim victory as it "wasn't enough", and the race continues, though his support slightly decreases.

The race will narrow after Wisconsin Louisiana. I assume everyone knows what you meant, but in the current environment it may be held against you nonetheless. :)

I don't think what happens in LA will mean squat myself. The days of Rickmo are over. It is just a war of demographic attrition, and nobody cares much about what other states do anymore. We shall see.


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: tmthforu94 on March 23, 2012, 04:13:30 PM
The race will narrow after Wisconsin, then Romney will slowly start to pull away and will lead by around 10 points on Election Day. He wins by about 8, Santorum will claim victory as it "wasn't enough", and the race continues, though his support slightly decreases.

The race will narrow after Wisconsin Louisiana. I assume everyone knows what you meant, but in the current environment it may be held against you nonetheless. :)

I don't think what happens in LA will mean squat myself. The days of Rickmo are over. It is just a war of demographic attrition, and nobody cares much about what other states do anymore. We shall see.
Yeah, that's what I meant. ;)

I have to agree, I don't think state wins will carry quite as much weight as they used to - you need a string of wins to get any momentum, not just one.


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: Nhoj on March 23, 2012, 04:17:26 PM
Well the increasing perception of mitt as the nominee will probably allow him to win. A 13 point win like what joke pollster Ras says is unlikely, this state is quite different from Illinois


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: Miles on March 23, 2012, 04:19:02 PM


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on March 23, 2012, 04:20:05 PM
Lean Romney.


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: Minnesota Mike on March 23, 2012, 05:05:15 PM
If Willard does win Wisconsin it is all over (If it  isn't already). He will more than likely win Maryland and DC the same day making for a big delegate night and turning the media narrative to his inevitability.


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: Nichlemn on March 23, 2012, 05:55:43 PM
The race will narrow after Wisconsin, then Romney will slowly start to pull away and will lead by around 10 points on Election Day. He wins by about 8, Santorum will claim victory as it "wasn't enough", and the race continues, though his support slightly decreases.

Something like this, although I expect a smaller Romney win. Media obsesses about how Romney perfomed WORSE THAN EXPECTATIONS!1! and how this might give Santorum BIG MO.


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: yoyoyo on March 23, 2012, 06:01:00 PM
I honestly think Mittens will win this won closely.


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: Frodo on March 23, 2012, 06:42:00 PM
Romney will win it, though narrowly.  It likely is going to turn out the same way as Ohio and Michigan -despite being initially behind in the polls, Romney capitalizes on the incompetence of his opponents, and closes the gap in the end to eventually buy the primary outright.  


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: Lincoln Republican on March 23, 2012, 06:53:54 PM
Mitt by 10 points.

It should be over, but given his almost obsessive fixation in thinking the GOP would actually nominate him , does anyone really think that Santorum will have the decency and common sense, as Mitt did in 2008, to withdraw and endorse Mitt for the good of the party?

I don't.


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: © tweed on March 23, 2012, 07:05:58 PM
W. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: J. J. on March 23, 2012, 07:07:18 PM
Mittens by 4-5 points.


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: Matthew on March 23, 2012, 07:51:55 PM
Romney wins Wisconsin this race is as good as over.


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: firennice on March 23, 2012, 10:56:08 PM
Romney wins Wisconsin this race is as good as over.
If I had a dollar for everyone time I head that. Just substitute any state for Wisconsin.


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: Cory on March 23, 2012, 11:10:02 PM
Anyone else remember the days when it was looking like Mittens was gonna finish this thing in Florida? Lol.


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on March 23, 2012, 11:57:54 PM
Santorum


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: Nichlemn on March 24, 2012, 12:01:36 AM
I doubt Wisconsin will "wrap it up", but the fact of the matter is for a non-Romney to have a serious chance at winning, Wisconsin is the sort of state Romney needs to lose heavily in. It's a point Nate Silver made several times about Illinois - Santorum can't win by just moderately outperforming expectations.


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: Eraserhead on March 24, 2012, 12:13:01 AM
Romney


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: RBH on March 24, 2012, 12:31:48 AM
Romney by 8 votes


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: California8429 on March 24, 2012, 09:08:58 AM
At this point Romney, I hope Santorum comes back, he had been leading in WI in the past. But this is really his last chance. He lost Michigan, Ohio, and Illinois. All states he could have won, if he loses WI too it's completely over. Those were big delegate rust-belt economic states.


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: Tender Branson on March 25, 2012, 01:29:23 AM
Normally I would say Romney by 5-10%, but considering that Santorum's margin was 10% bigger in Louisiana than what the polls said I'm not so sure anymore. But the LA result could just be a Southern thing and WI will probably still vote for Romney. So lean-Romney.


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: LastVoter on March 25, 2012, 02:27:49 AM
Santorum.


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: argentarius on March 25, 2012, 05:55:25 AM
Guys I don't know much about Wisconsin (other than about the Packers and that there's cheese) but is it similar to Minnesota and Iowa or is it more like Illinois.


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: Colbert on March 25, 2012, 10:21:39 AM
I'm like you, argentarius.

I only know green bay packers (but don't knowed about cheese. There are REALLY US cheese???) and the fact that Wisc. is a "nordic state", with labor-dem tradition, near like minnesota. Religiously, they are, I think lutherian, something like that.

Well, really don't know a lot about this state


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: Frodo on March 25, 2012, 10:26:05 AM
Too bad TexasGurl isn't here to provide us with her insight on this state.  :(


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: Colbert on March 25, 2012, 11:00:48 AM
Too bad TexasGurl isn't here to provide us with her insight on this state.  :(


is there a good site wich explain the particularity of each 50 states (politic tradition, cook, religion, ethnicity, etc? )


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: Averroës Nix on March 25, 2012, 11:03:49 AM
Too bad TexasGurl isn't here to provide us with her insight on this state.  :(


is there a good site wich explain the particularity of each 50 states (politic tradition, cook, religion, ethnicity, etc? )

Nate Silver's ongoing Political Geography series is worth reading. He typically posts each state's entry a day or two before its primary or caucus.


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: Colbert on March 25, 2012, 11:09:56 AM
I don't find his profile


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: Averroës Nix on March 25, 2012, 11:12:08 AM
Colbert, you can see Nate Silver's latest entry, which is for Lousiana, here: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/24/political-geography-louisiana/

He hasn't posted a profile for Wisconsin yet.


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: Gass3268 on March 25, 2012, 02:15:13 PM
There is very much an East-West divide when it comes to culture and politics in Wisconsin. The Eastern part of the is more German and more conservative (except Milwaukee and Kenosha). While the Western part of the state is more Scandinavian and more liberal (except the Twin City area, while still predominately Scandinavian, is the fastest growing conservative area in the state).

http://verseau.wordpress.com/2010/06/05/geographic-curiosities-the-east-west-divide-in-wisconsin/   

I would imagine Santourm will do well in the Western and Northern parts of the state. The people that live here are more like those from Iowa, Minnesota and Upper Michigan.  While Romney will do well in the southeastern parts of the state, especially  the 4 heavily Republican Milwaukee suburban counties and Milwaukee County itself. There are more similarities with the Chicagoland, Detroit and Cleveland. I would also expect Romney to win Dane County, with a stronger than average Paul presence, but he won't get that many votes here as  there are only like 75,000 Republicans in the county. To me the swing areas that could decide the election will be the Fox River Valley/Lake Winnebago area (Fond du Lac, Oshkosh, Appleton and Green Bay) and the Sheboygan/Manitowoc areas. These are in the Eastern part of the state so culturally they may be more willing to go towards Romney, but at the same time they are medium sized industrial towns that Santourm won in Michigan and Ohio.       

Without any recent credible polling, Ras doesn't count, I would guess that Santourm will win barely. This state is very much a mix of Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota and Upper Michigan and I would expect the results to be similar.   


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: Bacon King on March 26, 2012, 12:57:20 PM
My gut feeling is that Republicans in the Milkwaukee and Madison metros will give Romney a win here, just like Chicago did in IL, Cleveland/Cincinatti did in OH, and the Detroit area did in MI. However, I honestly don't know too much about Wisconsin, so I could easily be wrong. One thing, though, regarding the comparison with MN and IA that some have made- Santorum's generally performed a lot better in caucus states (excluding those held on tiny islands, anyway) so I'm not really sure that Santorum's successes in those states will necessarily cross the border into Wisconsin.


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: Torie on March 26, 2012, 02:47:59 PM
To complicate matters, the Fox River Valley belt has a dovish streak (48'er Germans), which is my guess as to why that area trended so heavily to Obama. I am not sure how well Rick will play there given his "bellicosity."

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The "Scandanavian" belt as it is characterized on the other side of the state by the way trended to McCain.

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Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: Nhoj on March 26, 2012, 03:41:24 PM
To complicate matters, the Fox River Valley belt has a dovish streak (48'er Germans), which is my guess as to why that area trended so heavily to Obama. I am not sure how well Rick will play there given his "bellicosity."

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The "Scandanavian" belt as it is characterized on the other side of the state by the way trended to McCain.

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The most likely reason for the trend had to do with mccain spending alot more on media in MSP and Duluth markets.
Also the Scandinavian belt gos further south then you imply.


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: J. J. on March 27, 2012, 09:46:29 AM
Right now, I'd say edge Romney.


Title: Re: Who wins the Wisconsin Primary?
Post by: perdedor on March 27, 2012, 10:21:34 AM
Romney wins by ~5%.  I'm not sure how Santorum plans to drive people out to the polls without the media narrative of a competitive GOP primary.