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Title: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 25, 2012, 01:15:14 PM
Qui a votre vote?

Voting closes here on the April 22nd. I'll do a run-off for whoever comes first and second here on Atlas (if we need one, naturally).


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on March 25, 2012, 01:21:42 PM
Thanks, we needed a version with all the candidates.

You guys all know who gets my vote. ;)


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Frodo on March 25, 2012, 01:27:57 PM
Francois Hollande -whatever else I may disagree with him on, I agree with him on this one important issue: that to strengthen the euro (and the European Union as a whole), they are going to have to move beyond austerity-only and instead move on to more growth-promoting measures.   


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Lambsbread on March 25, 2012, 04:28:13 PM
Dupont-Aignan, I guess. I haven't studied him much, but he seems like the most Libertarian-type candidate.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: politicus on March 25, 2012, 04:37:14 PM
Thanks, we needed a version with all the candidates.

You guys all know who gets my vote. ;)
Sarko fan no. 1 ;)


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Insula Dei on March 25, 2012, 05:04:58 PM
Vote Mélenchon in the first round, then switch to Hollande.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 25, 2012, 05:58:58 PM
Sarko.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Hash on March 25, 2012, 06:17:16 PM
Not sure which of these joke candidates will get my joke vote.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on March 26, 2012, 04:34:50 AM
Not sure which of these joke candidates will get my joke vote.

If you want to push the joke to its logical conclusions, you should go for Cheminade. ;D


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Pingvin on March 26, 2012, 06:43:15 AM
Marine. If I we're French, I'll vote for her and her dad everytime they run.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: TNF on March 26, 2012, 07:04:39 AM
Is there any candidate that is anti-EU, but not a fascist?


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Kushahontas on March 26, 2012, 08:14:23 AM
first round: Joly
second: Hollande


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: © tweed on March 26, 2012, 08:19:08 AM
Poutou


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 26, 2012, 09:42:15 AM
If we have a tie for second place, i'll find an online random name generator thing.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Nhoj on March 26, 2012, 04:11:15 PM
Is there any candidate that is anti-EU, but not a fascist?
Some of the commies might be.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on March 27, 2012, 03:09:00 PM
Mélenchon, I suppose. I'd rather not vote for the EU candidate.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: big bad fab on March 27, 2012, 04:13:47 PM
Is there any candidate that is anti-EU, but not a fascist?
Some of the commies might be.
Dupont-Aignan is the closest pick, as Mélenchon is less anti-EU than him, in fact (and contrary to what many people think).


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: big bad fab on March 27, 2012, 04:15:22 PM
Atlas is as leftist as ever, eh ? ;D

Well, as Boutin isn't here anymore, as Morin (oh, I hate him, but, well... he is close to my views) isn't here either, then Sarkozy has, of course, my vote.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Nhoj on March 28, 2012, 06:27:44 PM
Is there any candidate that is anti-EU, but not a fascist?
Some of the commies might be.
Dupont-Aignan is the closest pick, as Mélenchon is less anti-EU than him, in fact (and contrary to what many people think).
Well yeah Dupont-Aignan is who I went for here, though admittedly, I didnt know what his EU postion was when I voted.
As for commies I was thinking of some of the trot/other non important commies more than Mélenchon when I said that, though I have no idea on their EU views either.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on March 29, 2012, 03:34:30 AM
A Hollande / Mélenchon runoff would be an awesome thing to see IRL. :D


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Hash on March 29, 2012, 11:39:07 AM
At this point, I'm probably going to vote for Mélenchon as a half-joke, half-serious vote in the first round and, at the rate things are going with dumb and dumber, probably 'be creative' with the ballots in the runoff.



Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on March 29, 2012, 12:10:25 PM
At this point, I'm probably going to vote for Mélenchon as a half-joke, half-serious vote in the first round and, at the rate things are going with dumb and dumber, probably 'be creative' with the ballots in the runoff.

The 'half-serious' part of the vote being a sincere tribute to Georges Marchais?


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on March 29, 2012, 12:59:38 PM
At this point, I'm probably going to vote for Mélenchon as a half-joke, half-serious vote in the first round and, at the rate things are going with dumb and dumber, probably 'be creative' with the ballots in the runoff.

The 'half-serious' part of the vote being a sincere tribute to Georges Marchais?

I don't understand all this love for Georges Marchais. Sure, he was a pretty good speaker and a mostly honest person, but he was also a stubborn party hack who maintained an outdated party line despite its becoming sillier and sillier every day, a quite petty politician in his relationships with other parties (yes, Mitterrand screwed him, but Marchais would have done the same had he been more clever) and whose attitude has harmed the left plenty of times.

Compare with a man like Berlinguer, who was charismatic but also intelligent, had a forceful, original, principled but not dogmatic vision of communism, a project for the future and had distanced from the soviet failure even before it had been exposed as such. It explains why the PCF became such a joke and why the PCI remained so powerful (until, of course, it committed hara-kiri).


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on March 29, 2012, 01:12:10 PM
The answer is simple: everyone loves a clown.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on March 30, 2012, 12:23:12 PM
LOL, they're almost tied now.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: ZuWo on March 30, 2012, 12:30:13 PM
I'd very reluctantly vote for Sarkozy but fortunately I am not confronted with that choice!


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Franzl on March 30, 2012, 02:10:14 PM
I'd very reluctantly vote for Sarkozy but fortunately I am not confronted with that choice!

Same here, basically.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Tender Branson on March 31, 2012, 12:49:34 AM
Probably Eva Jo-ke-ly in the 1st round and Hollande in the 2nd round.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on March 31, 2012, 04:58:49 AM
No love for Cheminade ? :(


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Gustaf on March 31, 2012, 08:15:12 AM
France is a country which really lacks good political alternatives.

I guess protest vote for Dupont-Aignan in the first round. In the 2nd round I'm not really sure. Both candidates seem intent on destroying the French economy.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Hash on March 31, 2012, 10:06:03 AM
In the 2nd round I'm not really sure. Both candidates seem intent on destroying the French economy.

This is supposed to be new? All candidates in runoffs since 1974 have been intent on destroying the economy.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Gustaf on April 01, 2012, 08:59:07 AM
In the 2nd round I'm not really sure. Both candidates seem intent on destroying the French economy.

This is supposed to be new? All candidates in runoffs since 1974 have been intent on destroying the economy.

Nope, never said that. The French elections that I've followed have certainly all had that characteristic.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Niemeyerite on April 03, 2012, 10:09:01 AM
Hollande. But Melenchon could be an option for the 1st round, too.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 03, 2012, 11:40:53 AM
LOL, Dupont-Aignant is the most overrepresented (relatively speaking).

And still no love for Cheminade. :P


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Hash on April 03, 2012, 01:35:26 PM
ftr, the poll on my blog (58 votes) is more balanced: Sarko and Hollande tied at 24%, Melenchon 17%, Bayrou 15.5%, Marion 10%, Joly 5.2%, Arthaud 3.5%. No love for either NDA, Cheminade or Poutou :(


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 03, 2012, 02:59:17 PM
ftr, the poll on my blog (58 votes) is more balanced: Sarko and Hollande tied at 24%, Melenchon 17%, Bayrou 15.5%, Marion 10%, Joly 5.2%, Arthaud 3.5%. No love for either NDA, Cheminade or Poutou :(

Yeah, I already noticed that the readers of your blog tend to be more right-wing than the forum.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 17, 2012, 11:54:52 AM
Bump, with 5 days left.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Donerail on April 17, 2012, 06:41:51 PM
Anyone support Bayrou?


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: tpfkaw on April 17, 2012, 07:45:35 PM

You might precede that with "why would"


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 17, 2012, 07:47:53 PM

Moderate heroes ?

He turned himself into a French Evan Bayh.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Donerail on April 17, 2012, 08:17:51 PM

I did just cause I didn't like anyone and he seemed rather bland and thus the least likely to screw up the country as bad as the others might. I was wondering if anyone supported him actually based on his policy.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Hash on April 18, 2012, 07:52:28 AM
Bayrou has no policy per se. Besides "everybody else sucks, but I'm really cool because i'm a real centrist"


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Donerail on April 18, 2012, 07:48:17 PM
Bayrou has no policy per se. Besides "everybody else sucks, but I'm really cool because i'm a real centrist"

And something like 13% of voters support that (according to polling)?


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: © tweed on April 18, 2012, 08:38:53 PM
surprised to see Beet for Melenchon.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on April 18, 2012, 08:40:29 PM
My man Sarkozy.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: © tweed on April 19, 2012, 07:21:29 AM
had a dream last night.  in which I were Melenchon and upset Sarkozy for second place, and gave a victory speech.  I was only able to talk in English but nobody seemed to mind.  I spoke about how were were going to need a mass social movement to defeat Hollande in the runoff, and that social movement would have to continue through after we won in order to resist the IMF, EU, etc.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 20, 2012, 07:56:42 AM
had a dream last night.  in which I were Melenchon and upset Sarkozy for second place, and gave a victory speech.  I was only able to talk in English but nobody seemed to mind.  I spoke about how were were going to need a mass social movement to defeat Hollande in the runoff, and that social movement would have to continue through after we won in order to resist the IMF, EU, etc.

If Mélenchon made his victory speech in English, his voters would probably accuse him of capitulating against the globalized Anglo-Saxon financial oligarchy. :P

But fun dream anyways.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 21, 2012, 01:07:05 PM
This closes at midnight (forum time) btw and i'll open a second round poll (of the forum's top two) when I wake up tomorrow.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: k-onmmunist on April 21, 2012, 01:55:48 PM
Melenchon <3

Even if Hollande wins, it'll be a vast improvement though.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 21, 2012, 06:29:41 PM
Still no love for Cheminade. :P

Well, anyways, these are good results. Probably better than RL ones. ;)


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (First round)
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 22, 2012, 09:38:12 AM
François Hollande a gangé le premier tour de l'Atlas.