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Title: Trayvon Martin's Email And Facebook Accounts Hacked By White Supremacist
Post by: Beet on March 30, 2012, 12:21:34 AM
A white supremacist hacker claims to have broken into Trayvon Martin's email and social networking accounts and posted his private messages online.

"I realize that some of this information might be to [sic] extreme to believe," a hacker named Klanklannon wrote, according to Gawker, which has an original copy of the message thread posted to the popular, unruly message board 4chan. "That's why I offer you evidence. Here are my sources."

Editor's note: Some readers may find language in this article objectionable.

A slide posted to the message board titled "Trayvon Martin Used Marijuana Habitually," apparently shows a conversation between Martin and a friend about getting high. Another alleged that Martin was a drug dealer and showed a picture of Martin standing "aggressively with a large amount of cash in his hand."

Gawker reported that Klankannon shared several of Martin's usernames and email accounts on the thread. The hacker also said that the passwords had been changed to racist slurs like "nnn" and "coontrayvonn."

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Slate's political reporter Dave Weigel, who has long covered the conservative movement, said that the misattributed photo was "part of a new cottage industry of 'truth about Trayvon' content, calibrated to convince people that they really shouldn't worry about the implications of this killing."

"Why, the kid wasn't even a saint!" Weigel said of the logic of such conservative sites. "He might have been shot after brawling with the man who creeply [sic] followed him around the gated community?"

But Gawker's Adrian Chen wrote that the attempts to smear Martin have backfired "because the picture they paint is of a normal high school junior preparing for college."

A screenshot of Trayvon's Gmail inbox our source provided us is heartbreaking. Martin apparently used his Gmail account for his college search, and it's filled with emails about upcoming SAT tests and scholarship applications. ("Trayvon, now is the best time to take the SATs!") One email included the results of a career aptitude test, our source said. It "talked about his interest in aeronautics and stuff."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/29/white-supremacist-trayvon-martin-email_n_1389584.html

So it's not enough that the boy was hunted down and executed in cold blood, the mob has to also desicrate his memory and make sure that all of America remembers him as a vicious, n*gger thug who deserved to die.


Title: Re: Trayvon Martin's Email And Facebook Accounts Hacked By White Supremacist
Post by: Grumpier Than Thou on March 30, 2012, 05:28:21 AM
This is just disgusting.


Title: Re: Trayvon Martin's Email And Facebook Accounts Hacked By White Supremacist
Post by: dead0man on March 30, 2012, 05:32:15 AM
Indeed, that's worse than what Spike Lee did.


Title: Re: Trayvon Martin's Email And Facebook Accounts Hacked By White Supremacist
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on March 30, 2012, 05:42:30 AM
Indeed, that's worse than what Spike Lee did.
Spike Lee put the lives of two innocent senior citizens in jeopardy- who had to flee their home in fear- in the same kind of vigilante justice he was railing against... this is a disgusting, vile act of racism but I do not think it is worse then advocating violence against that couple


Title: Re: Trayvon Martin's Email And Facebook Accounts Hacked By White Supremacist
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 30, 2012, 10:41:44 AM
While this is disgusting, yes, I think the implication in all this that, if Trayvon had not been a good student who wanted to go to college, murdering him would have somehow been more justified, is also very troubling.


Title: Re: Trayvon Martin's Email And Facebook Accounts Hacked By White Supremacist
Post by: Brittain33 on March 30, 2012, 12:27:48 PM
While this is disgusting, yes, I think the implication in all this that, if Trayvon had not been a good student who wanted to go to college, murdering him would have somehow been more justified, is also very troubling.

Yes, that's also the problem I have when I point out that all the conservatives calling Sandra Fluke a slut, a whore, etc. don't even realize she was testifying about a friend who had a medical condition that required contraceptives. So hardee har har that conservatives are targeting someone who is the complete opposite of their caricature, but that doesn't make it ok to slander or shoot someone who does vaguely resemble their caricature.


Title: Re: Trayvon Martin's Email And Facebook Accounts Hacked By White Supremacist
Post by: BigSkyBob on March 30, 2012, 10:39:38 PM
This the ad hominem fallacy being used to deny the fact that Martin did indeed post the things he is alleged to have posted.


Title: Re: Trayvon Martin's Email And Facebook Accounts Hacked By White Supremacist
Post by: Oakvale on March 30, 2012, 10:45:04 PM
This the ad hominem fallacy being used to deny the fact that Martin did indeed post the things he is alleged to have posted.

So what? ???


Title: Re: Trayvon Martin's Email And Facebook Accounts Hacked By White Supremacist
Post by: BigSkyBob on March 30, 2012, 10:47:11 PM
This the ad hominem fallacy being used to deny the fact that Martin did indeed post the things he is alleged to have posted.

So what? ???

Martin isn't the "model student" he was portrayed to be by the Left.


Title: Re: Trayvon Martin's Email And Facebook Accounts Hacked By White Supremacist
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 30, 2012, 10:48:36 PM
This the ad hominem fallacy being used to deny the fact that Martin did indeed post the things he is alleged to have posted.

So what? ???

Martin isn't the "model student" he was portrayed to be by the Left.

Ah, so only "model students" do not deserve to be murdered. Got it.


Title: Re: Trayvon Martin's Email And Facebook Accounts Hacked By White Supremacist
Post by: BigSkyBob on March 30, 2012, 11:11:11 PM
This the ad hominem fallacy being used to deny the fact that Martin did indeed post the things he is alleged to have posted.

So what? ???

Martin isn't the "model student" he was portrayed to be by the Left.

Ah, so only "model students" do not deserve to be murdered. Got it.

Why did the Left feel the need to lie about that fact? Especially, if it is irrelevent as you claim that it is.

Surely, it would be as wrong to murder a seventeen year-old as it would be to murder a twelve year-old. Why did the Left keep posting the picture of Martin at age twelve, implying Zimmerman shot a child?


Title: Re: Trayvon Martin's Email And Facebook Accounts Hacked By White Supremacist
Post by: Eraserhead on March 30, 2012, 11:54:30 PM
This the ad hominem fallacy being used to deny the fact that Martin did indeed post the things he is alleged to have posted.

So what? ???

Martin isn't the "model student" he was portrayed to be by the Left.

Ah, so only "model students" do not deserve to be murdered. Got it.

Why did the Left feel the need to lie about that fact? Especially, if it is irrelevent as you claim that it is.

Surely, it would be as wrong to murder a seventeen year-old as it would be to murder a twelve year-old. Why did the Left keep posting the picture of Martin at age twelve, implying Zimmerman shot a child?

He did shoot a child.


Title: Re: Trayvon Martin's Email And Facebook Accounts Hacked By White Supremacist
Post by: dead0man on March 31, 2012, 12:04:01 AM
A 17 year old is not a child.  A minor, sure.  Not a child.  "Child" implies prepubescent, this fellow clearly wasn't.


Title: Re: Trayvon Martin's Email And Facebook Accounts Hacked By White Supremacist
Post by: Beet on March 31, 2012, 12:31:22 AM
So if a postpubescent 15 year old girl gets raped, we're not allowed to say it was child rape? Come on.

There a few a things in a person's background that could have bearing on the case, such as if they have a history of violence (as Zimmerman does-- once for assaulting a police officer and once for domestic violence). However, what the person looks like, whether they used marijuana, or whether he had cash in his hand is totally irrelevant to the case. If you object to anyone's saying he was a model student, then go ahead and reply specifically when that is brought up in a manner proportional to the import that it is given by the person who brings it up. Say "well, it's not relevant whether he was a model student or not." That's fair. Spamming the internet with this vomit in order to desecrate the memory of a murdered child, and implying that negative stereotypes makes one guilty in the process, is the worst thing you can do.


Title: Re: Trayvon Martin's Email And Facebook Accounts Hacked By White Supremacist
Post by: dead0man on March 31, 2012, 12:39:45 AM
So if a postpubescent 15 year old girl gets raped, we're not allowed to say it was child rape? Come on.
You're allowed to say whatever you want, obviously.  But a 17 year old is NOT a child.  Try calling a 17 year old a child (that isn't your child) and see how they take it?

I agree with everything else you said in your post and think Zimmerman is probably guilty.


Title: Re: Trayvon Martin's Email And Facebook Accounts Hacked By White Supremacist
Post by: Eraserhead on April 01, 2012, 12:53:03 AM
So if a postpubescent 15 year old girl gets raped, we're not allowed to say it was child rape? Come on.
You're allowed to say whatever you want, obviously.  But a 17 year old is NOT a child.  Try calling a 17 year old a child (that isn't your child) and see how they take it?

I agree with everything else you said in your post and think Zimmerman is probably guilty.

Under the law, a 17 year old is a child. Whether they personally want to be considered children or not isn't really relevant here.


Title: Re: Trayvon Martin's Email And Facebook Accounts Hacked By White Supremacist
Post by: dead0man on April 01, 2012, 03:15:27 AM
I think the legal term is "minor", not child...but obviously the word has different definitions at different times.  Child, it seems to me, is used in place of minor when we want sympathy for the minor (which, of course, Trayvon deserves)....so I suppose it's correct here, at least from a PR stand point.

FTR wiki says this
Quote from: wiki
Biologically, a child (plural: children) is generally a human between the stages of birth and puberty. Some vernacular definitions of a child include the fetus, as being an unborn child.[1] The legal definition of "child" generally refers to a minor, otherwise known as a person younger than the age of majority. "Child" may also describe a relationship with a parent (such as sons and daughters of any age)[2] or, metaphorically, an authority figure, or signify group membership in a clan, tribe, or religion; it can also signify being strongly affected by a specific time, place, or circumstance, as in "a child of nature" or "a child of the Sixties".
Kind of goes both ways.  On the other hand, the dictionary says this
Quote from: dictionary
1.a person between birth and full growth; a boy or girl: books for children.
2.a son or daughter: All my children are married.
3.a baby or infant.
4.a human fetus.
5.a childish person: He's such a child about money.
Which Trayvon doesn't fit.


Title: Re: Trayvon Martin's Email And Facebook Accounts Hacked By White Supremacist
Post by: The Mikado on April 01, 2012, 02:13:25 PM
Again, let's say that everything Zimmerman's proxies are alleging is correct and Trayvon was the skinniest gangsta alive or whatever.  That still doesn't change the fact that Zimmerman shot him.  A fact that Zimmerman does not deny.  Even though Zimmerman will likely evade murder charges, I have a very tough time seeing him escape manslaughter.


Title: Re: Trayvon Martin's Email And Facebook Accounts Hacked By White Supremacist
Post by: BigSkyBob on April 01, 2012, 06:18:48 PM
Again, let's say that everything Zimmerman's proxies are alleging is correct and Trayvon was the skinniest gangsta alive or whatever.  That still doesn't change the fact that Zimmerman shot him.  A fact that Zimmerman does not deny.  Even though Zimmerman will likely evade murder charges, I have a very tough time seeing him escape manslaughter.

Unless, it was ruled as in "self-defense."


Title: Re: Trayvon Martin's Email And Facebook Accounts Hacked By White Supremacist
Post by: I'm JewCon in name only. on April 01, 2012, 06:28:38 PM
Again, let's say that everything Zimmerman's proxies are alleging is correct and Trayvon was the skinniest gangsta alive or whatever.  That still doesn't change the fact that Zimmerman shot him.  A fact that Zimmerman does not deny.  Even though Zimmerman will likely evade murder charges, I have a very tough time seeing him escape manslaughter.

Unless, it was ruled as in "self-defense."

Smartest thing you've posted in this thread yet.