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Title: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on April 02, 2012, 12:03:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmwBPsB0oaE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmwBPsB0oaE)

I think this sums it up pretty well.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on April 02, 2012, 12:41:04 PM
Erm, no that's one of the rare stupid things on Family Guy. That's disappointing actually, that's almost South Park level in its juvenility and idiocy. I've always said that the only thing that would make Family Guy better is Seth accepting Christ.

The dumbest thing about it perhaps is the implication that people got along fine and there was no conflict before Christianity. Uh...


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: John Dibble on April 02, 2012, 12:50:14 PM
The dumbest thing about it perhaps is the implication that people got along fine and there was no conflict before Christianity. Uh...

The dumbest thing is that you take it as a serious philosophical statement when it's obviously not meant to be anything more than a joke for quick laughs. Do you honestly think Seth is that stupid?


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: Redalgo on April 02, 2012, 12:56:22 PM
There have always been conflicts between human beings. Our beliefs about the sacred are but a sub-component of the sum of things that comprise cultures.  People may get along fine without religion but they can also get along fine with it, as well. Likewise, plenty of folks have killed each other over religious beliefs but certainly have killed for many other reasons which do not in any way pertain to such beliefs. Although some belief systems regarding the sacred certainly appear more dogmatic, hierarchical, intolerant, and so forth than others - and I reckon those tendencies can make a belief system have detrimental effects on a society - I would say the condition itself of a person being religious or non-religious is not at all a reliable indicator of how peacefully they can (or are willing to) coexist with those with whom they disagree.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on April 02, 2012, 12:57:26 PM
The dumbest thing about it perhaps is the implication that people got along fine and there was no conflict before Christianity. Uh...

The dumbest thing is that you take it as a serious philosophical statement when it's obviously not meant to be anything more than a joke for quick laughs. Do you honestly think Seth is that stupid?

Of course not. Seth is a f**king genius, unlike the imbeciles who make South Park for example. But he does seem to have a big chip on his shoulder against Christianity and whenever he bashes it it gets incredibly stupid. Another great example being the episode where Meg began an evangelical and Brian came out as an atheist, except Brian has actually met God and Jesus Christ before, so how the hell can he be an atheist? It's a good thing at least the B-plot on that episode (Stewie kidnapping the Star Trek: The Next Generation cast) was really funny.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: John Dibble on April 02, 2012, 01:08:11 PM
Of course not. Seth is a f**king genius, unlike the imbeciles who make South Park for example.

Yes, we get it, you don't like South Park and therefore you think the creators are idiots. Can you please shut up about it? The rest of us are tired of hearing it. You're exactly like Cartman was in those episodes where he was against Family Guy in those episodes of South Park.

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But he does seem to have a big chip on his shoulder against Christianity and whenever he bashes it it gets incredibly stupid.

I think you only dislike it because you happen to like Christianity. We atheists often find it rather funny, even if it's not always accurate.

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Another great example being the episode where Meg began an evangelical and Brian came out as an atheist, except Brian has actually met God and Jesus Christ before, so how the hell can he be an atheist?

You honestly expect continuity between episodes in a show like Family Guy?


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: afleitch on April 02, 2012, 01:32:32 PM
I think Family Guy is a pile of sh-t but people seem to get far too angry over what is and isn't 'bashed' on Family Guy. Suck it up.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on April 02, 2012, 02:10:03 PM
Ah, BRTD and his South Park hating. Little does he realize South Park is a far superior show. Haven't followed that link that 20RP12 linked us to (on my iPod & watching a vid always gets in the way) but I'll assume it's the one where people start killing each other as soon as the magic baby in Nazareth is born.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on April 02, 2012, 02:17:34 PM
Ah, BRTD and his South Park hating. Little does he realize South Park is a far superior show. Haven't followed that link that 20RP12 linked us to (on my iPod & watching a vid always gets in the way) but I'll assume it's the one where people start killing each other as soon as the magic baby in Nazareth is born.

Bingo.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on April 02, 2012, 02:32:17 PM
Of course Cathcon thinks South Park is better, he's a right winger.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: dadge on April 02, 2012, 02:32:57 PM
I've always said that the only thing that would make Family Guy better is Seth accepting Christ.

C'est drole, ca.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on April 02, 2012, 02:35:30 PM
Of course Cathcon thinks South Park is better, he's a right winger.

And of course BRTD assumes the rest of us discriminate based on politics as much as he does.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on April 02, 2012, 03:26:13 PM
Of course Cathcon thinks South Park is better, he's a right winger.

The show which openly advocates same-sex marriage and marijuana legalization? The only right-wing episodes I can think of are ManBearPig and Tweek.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on April 03, 2012, 12:29:55 AM
First of all, clearly South Park is better than Family Guy. The old episode of Doctor Who with the giant giant squid that is also an alien locksmith is better than Family Guy.

This characterization is of course absolute rank bull, but that's not surprising.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: hawkeye59 on April 03, 2012, 08:19:15 AM
Of course Cathcon thinks South Park is better, he's a right winger.
Uh, I love South Park and think it is far superior to Family Guy. For one thing, humor is not all about politics. Also, while Family Guy probably has views to the left of South Park, I can name quite a few episodes where South Park has a liberal position on an issue.
"Medicinal Fried Chicken"-supports marijauana legalization
"Follow that Egg!"-supports gay marriage
"Cartman Sucks" -against the ex-gay movement
"Butters' Bottom Bitch" -Supports legalization of prostitution
and MANY anti-censorship episodes.
Also, at least South Park's jokes are part of the plot, unlike Family Guy's.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: dead0man on April 03, 2012, 11:55:03 AM
Arguing with BRTD about SP/FG is as pointless as arguing with a wall about SP/FG.  It is fun to point and laugh, but trying to explain how SP isn't EXACTLY.WHAT.HE.THINKS.IT.IS by using, ya know facts, isn't going to help.  We've been down this road a dozen times.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: hawkeye59 on April 03, 2012, 11:12:14 PM
Arguing with BRTD about SP/FG is as pointless as arguing with a wall about SP/FG.  It is fun to point and laugh, but trying to explain how SP isn't EXACTLY.WHAT.HE.THINKS.IT.IS by using, ya know facts, isn't going to help.  We've been down this road a dozen times.
Yeah, he just doesn't get that there's a difference between libertarian and conservative.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on April 03, 2012, 11:36:33 PM
I probably wouldn't care so much if the show wasn't so stupid and unfunny. It's basically just "OMG CELEBRITY REFERENCE LOL!" "LOL HERE'S SOME STUPID SHOCK VALUE JOKE!"


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on April 04, 2012, 12:11:16 AM
Yes, I'd say that's a pretty good description of Family Guy.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: John Dibble on April 04, 2012, 08:11:50 AM
Yes, I'd say that's a pretty good description of Family Guy.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: hawkeye59 on April 04, 2012, 09:06:30 AM
Pretty much. Have you even seen South Park? You should watch Medicinal Fried Chicken or Last of the Meheecans or Crack Baby Athletic Association or better yet, all three, and then decide for yourself. Just go to southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/ (http://southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/).


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on April 04, 2012, 09:08:28 AM
That's nothing like Family Guy. Family Guy is extremely witty and clever (despite the idiocy in the OP):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnuXSGBohfc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk_YmV7aYVE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTT2fNyKgUE
http://www.hulu.com/watch/5547/family-guy-you-have-aids


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: dead0man on April 04, 2012, 09:17:21 AM
And that's the funniest part of his entire schtick on this subject.  He thinks SP is EXACTLY what FG is.....which often makes me think he's just doing this for the yuk yuks.  But then I remember who we're talking about....


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: John Dibble on April 04, 2012, 09:26:44 AM

Well, here's a list of every single celebrity Family Guy has ever referenced in the history of ever:

http://familyguy.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Celebrities

A grand total of 664 - that's probably more than South Park.


As for shock value, it's there in droves and you know it.

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Family Guy is extremely witty and clever:

At times, sure. Just like South Park.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnuXSGBohfc

Your obsession with this one thing that isn't particularly witty or clever, and frankly isn't even close to the funniest things Family Guy has ever done, is strange.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk_YmV7aYVE

Funny because of the shock value.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on April 04, 2012, 12:31:01 PM
BRTD, why do you keep bringing up clips that do not make your case. I can laugh at Family Guy. But God damned Sneakers O'Tooler is fuckin' stupid. And Vietname War memorial? Like I said before, that isn't even funny in the sense of "it's  funny, but it's not appropriate to laugh at". It's just straight up not funny. It's just so damn stupid, I don't see why you continually present that as somehow an example of Family Guy being funny. Damn it!


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on April 04, 2012, 09:48:08 PM
The difference is that I'm sure the vast majority of those celebrities referenced were just in one off jokes. South Park only references them as the core of the plot.

BRTD, why do you keep bringing up clips that do not make your case. I can laugh at Family Guy. But God damned Sneakers O'Tooler is fuckin' stupid. And Vietname War memorial? Like I said before, that isn't even funny in the sense of "it's  funny, but it's not appropriate to laugh at". It's just straight up not funny. It's just so damn stupid, I don't see why you continually present that as somehow an example of Family Guy being funny. Damn it!

Sneakers O'Toole is the greatest 20 seconds in the history of television. Seriously this clip is super-discussed and even has a Facebook group for Sneakers O'Toole, all just for 20 seconds. I've posted before on four possible interpretations of the meaning of the clip. Can you name any 20 second clip in South Park comparable? And the Vietnam War memorial joke is awesome because it shows that Family Guy is a progressive show willing to stand up to imperialism, nationalism and the military-industrial complex. South Park never would.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on April 04, 2012, 09:49:52 PM
BRTD, you are in a class of Family Guy fans that I would have never thought to even exist had I not met you:

You have this type of Stockholm Syndrome when it comes to Family Guy. You continually defend it even though it is exactly what you say it is not. It DOES set up the celebrity references, it DOES do shock value jokes and it cuts to Conway Twitty/Giant Chicken shit every fucking time the writers can't write something better.

Get over it.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on April 04, 2012, 09:51:25 PM
And by the way, Sneakers O'Toole is probably the only original Family Guy joke that I have never laughed at. It isn't funny, it's just plain dumb. It sounds like fucking Blues Clues or some shit. Get over that as well.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on April 04, 2012, 09:52:55 PM
Actually, BRTD, this pretty much describes you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdbnssEZ_Xk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdbnssEZ_Xk&feature=related)


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on April 04, 2012, 10:12:29 PM
Uh pretty much the only thing of that that applies to me is the "textbook liberal agenda" bit.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on April 04, 2012, 10:46:04 PM
Uh pretty much the only thing of that that applies to me is the "textbook liberal agenda" bit.

And how you think you're some kind of profound intellectual.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: afleitch on April 05, 2012, 06:47:15 AM
Uh pretty much the only thing of that that applies to me is the "textbook liberal agenda" bit.

And how you think you're some kind of profound intellectual.

Figure 1:

A summary of BRTD's intellectual and social development since joining the site:

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A summary of his liking for Family Guy in comparison with his peers
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                              - - - - - - - - - - - NORMAL Weekends and painting the fence only



Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on April 05, 2012, 07:40:22 AM
Actually, BRTD, this pretty much describes you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdbnssEZ_Xk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdbnssEZ_Xk&feature=related)

Haha! This was one of my favorite family guy clips (and yes, this time my liking is politically motivated). 

Great graphs, afleitch. :)


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: hawkeye59 on April 05, 2012, 09:35:30 AM
The difference is that I'm sure the vast majority of those celebrities referenced were just in one off jokes. South Park only references them as the core of the plot.

BRTD, why do you keep bringing up clips that do not make your case. I can laugh at Family Guy. But God damned Sneakers O'Tooler is fuckin' stupid. And Vietname War memorial? Like I said before, that isn't even funny in the sense of "it's  funny, but it's not appropriate to laugh at". It's just straight up not funny. It's just so damn stupid, I don't see why you continually present that as somehow an example of Family Guy being funny. Damn it!

Sneakers O'Toole is the greatest 20 seconds in the history of television. Seriously this clip is super-discussed and even has a Facebook group for Sneakers O'Toole, all just for 20 seconds. I've posted before on four possible interpretations of the meaning of the clip. Can you name any 20 second clip in South Park comparable? And the Vietnam War memorial joke is awesome because it shows that Family Guy is a progressive show willing to stand up to imperialism, nationalism and the military-industrial complex. South Park never would.
You've evidently never seen either of the Pandemic episodes or AWESOM-O, where they rip on Homeland Security, or Team America: World Police, where they do a completely satirical parody of the "America is always right" types.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: John Dibble on April 05, 2012, 09:51:49 AM
Since South Park entered the discussion, let's look at South Park's commentary on religion from last night's episode:

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/411550/its-raining-frogs
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/411551/our-love-grows


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on April 05, 2012, 10:56:12 AM
Actually I don't like the Giant Chicken fights, since they are basically just filler. Family Guy is better when it does a ton of really quick jokes in the ilk of Sneakers O'Toole instead of really long things, other examples I love:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpWsihWzo_I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW9Mym1ODhU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iE4uEsaBF0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrJIJqUI6U0

And Team America: World Police struck me as nationalistic anti-liberal garbage.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: Is Totally Not Feeblepizza. on April 05, 2012, 11:16:11 AM
This thread is why I cut myself.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: John Dibble on April 05, 2012, 11:46:15 AM
And Team America: World Police struck me as nationalistic anti-liberal garbage.

Which is completely moronic considering it was obviously satire against that kind of thing.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: opebo on April 05, 2012, 11:48:12 AM
well.. its negative and implies that religion's main effect and/or cause is political.. so yes, its great.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: dead0man on April 05, 2012, 02:17:17 PM
And Team America: World Police struck me as nationalistic anti-liberal garbage.
Yep, you clearly don't get it.  Maybe your biases are blinding you a bit?  Of course there was some anti-liberal aspects to it (especially the ass-dick-pussy bit near the end), but, I think fairly obviously, it was first and foremost making fun of the AMERICA, FUNK YEAH! attitude many on the right have.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on April 05, 2012, 11:39:26 PM
It showed Michael Moore as a terrorist supporting suicide bomber and liberal celebrities as terrorist sympathizers. It was like the whole "If you oppose Bush you are an America hater!" garbage so common at the time. Also I thought the pro-Iraq War undertones were fairly obvious.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on April 05, 2012, 11:51:25 PM
It showed Michael Moore as a terrorist supporting suicide bomber and liberal celebrities as terrorist sympathizers. It was like the whole "If you oppose Bush you are an America hater!" garbage so common at the time. Also I thought the pro-Iraq War undertones were fairly obvious.

This post is very revealing about your sense of humor in general, and explains why you're laboring under the misapprehension that Family Guy is good.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: John Dibble on April 06, 2012, 09:26:47 AM
It showed Michael Moore as a terrorist supporting suicide bomber and liberal celebrities as terrorist sympathizers. It was like the whole "If you oppose Bush you are an America hater!" garbage so common at the time. Also I thought the pro-Iraq War undertones were fairly obvious.

And once again BRTD shows that he doesn't know what satire is.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on April 06, 2012, 10:39:08 AM
So by that logic wouldn't it be likely that Seth MacFarlane is actually a conservative and Family Guy is just satirizing liberals and trying to make them look bad?


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: dead0man on April 06, 2012, 11:16:15 AM
He's not conservative, but he does make fun of liberals from time to time.  It is possible to make fun of your own (and yourself) ya know.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on April 06, 2012, 11:51:08 AM
So by that logic wouldn't it be likely that Seth MacFarlane is actually a conservative and Family Guy is just satirizing liberals and trying to make them look bad?

No, because Family Guy isn't satirical in its comedic sensibilities or methods. You're making false equivalencies.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: John Dibble on April 06, 2012, 01:16:26 PM
So by that logic wouldn't it be likely that Seth MacFarlane is actually a conservative and Family Guy is just satirizing liberals and trying to make them look bad?

No, because Family Guy isn't satirical in its comedic sensibilities or methods. You're making false equivalencies.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: hawkeye59 on April 06, 2012, 09:46:25 PM
It showed Michael Moore as a terrorist supporting suicide bomber and liberal celebrities as terrorist sympathizers. It was like the whole "If you oppose Bush you are an America hater!" garbage so common at the time. Also I thought the pro-Iraq War undertones were fairly obvious.
You do realize it's possible to make fun of both sides, right?
And also...
Since South Park entered the discussion, let's look at South Park's commentary on religion from last night's episode:

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/411550/its-raining-frogs
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/411551/our-love-grows

Apparently, in this episode, Cartman becomes Jewish. And doesn't go back to Christianity at the end. WTF?


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: dead0man on April 06, 2012, 11:32:30 PM
Yeah, I thought that was a pretty strange end.  I hope they keep going with it for a bit and don't just start the next episode as if it never happened.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on April 07, 2012, 12:03:38 AM
Most people on this forum are like Hitler here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=hGXv-GkHfV8


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on April 07, 2012, 12:24:22 AM
Most people on this forum are like Hitler here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=hGXv-GkHfV8

And you are like his underlying, who states 'Family Guy is funny' without giving any reasonable indication as to how or why.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on April 07, 2012, 12:51:30 AM
I get the impression the video was made simply to mock Family Guy detractors, and that the creator does like Family Guy since Hitler's "arguments" are pretty silly. Then again that might be putting too much thought into a memetic mutation result video.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on April 07, 2012, 01:13:14 AM
I get the impression the video was made simply to mock Family Guy detractors, and that the creator does like Family Guy since Hitler's "arguments" are pretty silly. Then again that might be putting too much thought into a memetic mutation result video.

Eh, probably; but the 'arguments' for Family Guy being good presented are nonexistent.

I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't enjoy Family Guy; enjoyability obviously is entirely subjective. Quality is also in part subjective, but I think there are basic principles and standards that comic writers, no matter the medium, should try to meet, and I don't think Seth MacFarlane or the other people in charge of the show understand them very well.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: dead0man on April 07, 2012, 02:17:13 AM
Meh, I think he (Seth) is funny.  I enjoy FG and AD, and even watch the Cleveland Show every week, though it's probably the least funny of all the "adult" cartoons I watch (and I watch most of them).

My biggest issue (if you can call it that) with BRTD on the general subject is his nonsensical hatred of SP and it's creators.  I assume it's because the biggest fans of the show are people he disagrees with politically/socially (thus in his eyes, idiots) so he, a long time ago, came to the conclusion the show is conservative propaganda garbage and he ignores all evidence to the contrary.  The more everybody tries to explain why he's wrong, the deeper he sinks into his delusions.  It's a common thing for people, there probably is a word for it, but I don't know (or don't remember) what that word is.  Cornered rat syndrome?

I could certainly be wrong, but there has to be some reason he is completely blind to the fact that Matt and Trey are anything but "conservative".  Libertarian leaning, of course, not particularly liberal (in the modern American sense of the word), sure.  But in no way are they conservative....in any sense of the word.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on April 10, 2012, 04:38:48 AM
When was this time when people didn't have religion?   And didn't have any wars?   Sounds like Seth never showed up to his world history class in middle school and so filled in the blanks in his knowledge with a John Lennon song.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: John Dibble on April 10, 2012, 06:16:12 AM
When was this time when people didn't have religion?   And didn't have any wars?   Sounds like Seth never showed up to his world history class in middle school and so filled in the blanks in his knowledge with a John Lennon song.

You do understand what a joke is, right?


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on April 10, 2012, 01:31:51 PM
When was this time when people didn't have religion?   And didn't have any wars?   Sounds like Seth never showed up to his world history class in middle school and so filled in the blanks in his knowledge with a John Lennon song.

You do understand what a joke is, right?

He clearly understands what a bad one is when he sees it.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: John Dibble on April 10, 2012, 02:02:22 PM
When was this time when people didn't have religion?   And didn't have any wars?   Sounds like Seth never showed up to his world history class in middle school and so filled in the blanks in his knowledge with a John Lennon song.

You do understand what a joke is, right?

He clearly understands what a bad one is when he sees it.

Not finding the joke funny is one thing, criticizing it for historical accuracy when it's blatantly obvious that it was not meant to be historically accurate is another thing.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on April 10, 2012, 03:28:40 PM
When was this time when people didn't have religion?   And didn't have any wars?   Sounds like Seth never showed up to his world history class in middle school and so filled in the blanks in his knowledge with a John Lennon song.

You do understand what a joke is, right?
I assumed it was a satire upon religion, and so attempted an at least tangential basis in some character of religion. Are you suggesting the joke is something else?


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on April 11, 2012, 12:46:52 AM
Yes, this is similar to if I made a "satire" of Republicans that was like a guy basically saying "Look at me, I'm a Republican. Haha, I hate blacks and poors. *shoots some blacks and poor looking people*"

Of course Seth would never do that, his anti-Republican satire is far more intelligent and biting. But whenever he bashes Christianity it's just stupid.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on April 11, 2012, 12:49:17 AM
It's far more intelligent and biting but it's still really not intelligent or biting relative to standards of how satire should be. Neither is South Park but it has its moments whereas Family Guy I really don't think does.

I'm convinced your interest in the Sneakers O'Toole clip in particular is an affectation. Nobody can be that unironically fascinated by something that inane.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on April 11, 2012, 12:53:18 AM
There's an entire Facebook group dedicated to Sneakers O'Toole, so I'm not the only one. And how pointless it is is EXACTLY the appeal. What does it mean? What's the point of it? The complete absurdity of it is the source of the humor, I think one YouTube comment for once summed it up well by pointing out the joke was that Brian, normally the sane voice of reason is the one to introduce such a ridiculous and out of nowhere character. And in a completely seriously deadpan way too.

And if you want to see just how far people are willing to read into Sneakers O'Toole: http://theconvictor.livejournal.com/76961.html


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on April 11, 2012, 01:04:55 AM
And really the similarity of that clip to South Park was that South Park does "satire" in the same way, it has no sense of subtlety and is Anvilicious as hell. Everything the creators want to say they beat you over the head with. A trait found in just about all conservative "comedy" I might add.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on April 11, 2012, 01:33:22 AM
There's an entire Facebook group dedicated to Sneakers O'Toole, so I'm not the only one. And how pointless it is is EXACTLY the appeal. What does it mean? What's the point of it? The complete absurdity of it is the source of the humor, I think one YouTube comment for once summed it up well by pointing out the joke was that Brian, normally the sane voice of reason is the one to introduce such a ridiculous and out of nowhere character. And in a completely seriously deadpan way too.

And if you want to see just how far people are willing to read into Sneakers O'Toole: http://theconvictor.livejournal.com/76961.html

I know it's not just you but again I'm convinced a lot of this is unserious because I refuse to believe that human beings can be so interested in this.

And really the similarity of that clip to South Park was that South Park does "satire" in the same way, it has no sense of subtlety and is Anvilicious as hell. Everything the creators want to say they beat you over the head with. A trait found in just about all conservative "comedy" I might add.

South Park is not 'liberal' but there is next to no conceivable sense in which it is 'conservative'.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: John Dibble on April 11, 2012, 06:15:03 AM
When was this time when people didn't have religion?   And didn't have any wars?   Sounds like Seth never showed up to his world history class in middle school and so filled in the blanks in his knowledge with a John Lennon song.

You do understand what a joke is, right?
I assumed it was a satire upon religion, and so attempted an at least tangential basis in some character of religion. Are you suggesting the joke is something else?

It was a shock value/absurdity joke, not proper satire, nor was it intended to be satire. Family Guy has many such joke scenes, and not just on the topic of religion.

BRTD couldn't distinguish satire from a moldy waffle, so you can ignore his opinion on the matter.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on April 14, 2012, 11:32:44 AM
Here's an example of a brilliant satirical attack on right wingers by Family Guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXDl_Q5xpZU


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on April 14, 2012, 12:04:22 PM
That's um...better than average for this show, but still not especially brilliant.


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: LastVoter on April 26, 2012, 05:14:05 AM
BRTD - how to apply political hackery to entertainment value choice
But really South Park mostly promotes social liberalism/libertarianism, and it actually makes fun of the tea party in one of the episodes iirc, but it wasn't as caustic as it is towards OWS(which was just pure hackery, but whatever, right-wingers can have their episode, since the show often has episodes that appeal to certain subgroups and later they make an episode that appeals to the "opposite" subgroup).


Title: Re: Do you agree with Family Guy's characterization of religion (see description)
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on April 27, 2012, 03:36:02 PM
BRTD should write a book and title it "Defending Everything Everyone Hates Because Someone Has To Do It"