Talk Elections

Look, I never meant any harm by creating this account. I know I've had a history of trolling atlas. I was stupid, and immature.

When I first joined Atlas back in 2009, I was VERY immature and VERY naive on political matters. It continued on for most of my original time as JewishConservative.


But, I did grow up (I know, hard to believe.) and I did change and grow politically. For nearly my whole time here as "Klecly" I have been cordial, and kind to people here. That's the real me, not some persona I put on.

It's obvious the Mods have caught onto me so I will just come out clean now. I'm sorry for the all crap I've put you all through under my troll accounts in the past.

I'm not the same JewCon that the forum veterans know me as. Heck, as far as I'm concerned, "JewishConservative" no longer exists.


I'm not making a plea to stay, I have been banned before and deservedly so. And I know after posting this I will be banned. I'm also not trying to rebuild my image, I don't care about it. I'm on the internet. I know I'm a better person in real life then what you all think of me.

I'm just very political and wanted to be apart of political debate  on this forum again. This forum is mainly where I get my info from thats not on conservative sites. This forum is truly an awesome one. Yes, it's liberal leaning but it's good to be on a forum with people who don't necessarily agree w/ me. It makes me think and look at my views and helps build my arguments for future debates with people.


It's been real. Nothing on this account about me has been fake (except my denials of being JewCon.)

I didn't even try to use a proxy or change my views. My current PM score is my real one, and my views are my real ones.

I'm sorry for causing trouble again. :(

Good bye.


   

I didn't know you as JewCon, so no hard feelings. Good-bye, Klecly.

Can't we let JewCon stay? He did mature a lot.

Einzeige wasn't allowed to stay when he made a new account. Even after it was clear he had changed.


I deserve to be banned I lied again to mods, and forum.

Even if  you all push aside my shenigans under my JewishConservative  account, I did come back numerous times and troll.

Of course a lot of accounts were wrongly credited to me :P


I only had 4 socks on here (all banned, dont worry haha)

OKUSA
That Arkansas/Rhode Island guy (AndrewJackson111 or something)
GarnerDude
That Kansas account

Any other account credited to me is not mine.

I might have been inclined to support your right to stay, but:

1. Each time you came back with a sock account, you concealed your true identity for a while, and then suffered some sort of breakdown and trollspammed the entire forum.  You would then offer an apology just like the one here, and would then repeat the process.

2. The Einzige precedent.  I was all for letting him stay, but my mod colleagues disagreed.  I respect that, so here we are.  Libertas suffered the same fate, don't forget.

Sorry to see you go- I am not following the reason you are leaving but wish you the best-
clarence

You are completely right Joe.

You are a smart guy so I'm not shocked that you caught on. I realized I was caught when Inks messaged me about my internet provider.

Also, once I'm banned I really hope people stop claiming someone's sock is mine. As this account proved I didn't come back for more trolling, and I'm not going to in the future.



@ Clarence: I was banned before for being an annoying pest (numerous times). I changed a lot in the last 8 months or so. Thanks, and best to you too! Especially with your lady friend :)

Hey, people (moderators only), let Klecky stay here! People change.

That's sad. I feel that you've improved a lot and that you could be a decent poster.

Please don't ban him. While there may be precedent, I feel that reformed users, if genuine (and this seems pretty genuine) should stay here.

I don't like your penchant for personal attacks, such as those directed toward my friend Winfield. Good riddance.

I only attacked Winfield once lol, we made a truce afterwards...er..kinda of a truce.

Haha, Winfield and I are attacking each other all the time. It is a true love-hate story of Atlas ;D

Please, please, PLEASE let him stay. I believe this forum is in dire need of valuable posters, and Klecly/JewCon is one of them. I may not agree with him on everything, but he is mature and respectful and that's commendable. I understand there are rules, but an exception was made for me (for reasons I'm still unsure of, to be honest) so let an exception be made here. There is only one logical choice here, and that is to let him stay.

JewCon seemed pretty much the same as always to me (which is how I recognized him on day 1), but yes, I think reformed users should be allowed to stay.  As Inks pointed out in the whole thread-closing imbroglio, it's not like the moderators follow Dave's philosophy anyway.

I am in support of allowing Klecly to stay if he wants to, but if he feels that he should accept the punishment that he's expecting then I can understand that point of view too.

I agree with most posters on this thread. JewCon has become one of my favorite posters and his absence would do more harm than good to this forum.

I agree with most of the posters here as well.  Keep him around.  He has really matured, and I really respect his opinions.  If he is banned to keep precedent and keep partiality out of the equation, I can accept that as well.  I vote to keep him, though, FWIW.

See you tomorrow/Saturday.

ill stay if allowed, but im expecting a ban.

I know my opinion means nothing, but I'll say it, stay.

Called it.

Haha wow, I was never even suspicious. Good job staying sane this time, it's a shame you're doomed regardless. Though I suppose Joe is right, it's the safe bet to get you out of here...you were NUTS before.

JewCon, this was the first time I didn't catch it before you came clean. So you're getting better! :P

I agree with what pretty much everyone else is saying - he shouldn't be banned. It's ridiculous, IMHO, but such is life.

Shouldn't be banned? You do remember the last few times he was around, don't you? The kid went bonkers.

Let him stay; he hasn't done anything wrong (but he wasn't fooling anybody who knew his writing style and past accounts). I think he's definitely matured.

He would have been banned if he had outright admitted he was JewCon and asked for a second chance, like Einzige was. Though we should have allowed Einzige to stay, too.


You weren't the only one, ya know. :P

That might be true, but he proved himself to be reformed.

What went through your mind that made you think quoting scripture to me would change my mind?

Please stay!
Mods, please don't ban him!

This case is so fact specific, that I cannot render an opinion. But those calling for mercy should consider the precedent issue. Instead of a bright line, we would be going to a fuzzy line, among other things. It seems far better to me, for someone to petition somehow to return, and maybe be on a probation period, then going this sock route. The sock route sort of rewards bad behavior, and that is a negative in my book. Except, maybe there is no alternative to such bad behavior to seek a second chance, or third chance if a soft hearted one.

As I said, this puppy is highly fact specific, and I am assuming the petitioner here, has been under his current sock, an estimable Atlasian. Absent that, it would not be a case worthy of my yammering, I don't think.

Sure, let's let him stay - I'm sure he's matured and won't troll.

While we're at it, let's let everyone back... Einzige, Ogis, hey, why not even let Hamilton back!

And don't forget about TexasIndy and jamespol...

Seriously, people?  99.9% of trolls aren't gonna come back and say, "I haven't matured at all.  I think you should ban me."  They're gonna say, "I'm better now.  I won't do it again.  I promise."

What does it take to ban them as soon as they start trolling again ?

Capital idea!

Well, we could make a "swap". Ban Pingvin instead, let him stay. JewCon is way more tolerable than the Russian neo-fascist.

Problem is that Pingvin haven't broke any rules, that'd warrant a ban.

It's not a very good rule.

This discussion needs to continue. This rule cannot be excused.

Im not surprised by this, for some reason. Klecly always did seem differant. I thought he might of been Feeblepizza when he first joined.