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Election Archive => 2012 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls => Topic started by: Tender Branson on April 16, 2012, 01:24:51 PM



Title: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: Tender Branson on April 16, 2012, 01:24:51 PM
Public Policy Polling, 1136 Likely Voters, MoE 2.9%, April 13, 2012 - April 15, 2012.

50% Obama
44% Romney

http://www.dailykos.com/polling/2012/4/13/WI/113/4Y9QW

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Quite a GOP-leaning sample, but I guess PPP knows what they are doing with regards to WI.


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: tmthforu94 on April 16, 2012, 01:45:56 PM
Yet Walker leads...

Who are these Obama/Walker voters?


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on April 16, 2012, 01:49:01 PM
Walker has positive approval numbers in this poll, so it's clearly an outlier. Obama's winning WI by double digits.


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on April 16, 2012, 01:50:25 PM
Romney needs to pick the brilliant Paul Ryan for VP, which puts this state in play. Rubio is a horrible choice, and if FL isn't sealed up for Mitt on election day he's not going to win anyway.


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: cavalcade on April 16, 2012, 01:52:15 PM
If true this would be consistent with a tossup at the national level.


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: Eraserhead on April 16, 2012, 02:03:13 PM
A likely voters poll is useless at this point.


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on April 16, 2012, 02:04:35 PM
Not only that, but the Occupy stuff is going to shift momentum away from Romney.


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on April 16, 2012, 02:06:49 PM
Not only that, but the Occupy stuff is going to shift momentum away from Romney.

Yeah right, because Americans are so into communism. Mitt is offering economic freedom, not class warfare.


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on April 16, 2012, 02:08:08 PM
Mitt is offering economic freedom, not class warfare.

Mitt is the man who supports fascist "right-to-work" laws.


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: Miles on April 16, 2012, 02:09:50 PM
Not only that, but the Occupy stuff is going to shift momentum away from Romney.

Mitt is offering economic freedom, not class warfare.

Lolz. Which Fox News host did you get that from?


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: DrScholl on April 16, 2012, 02:10:20 PM

Yeah right, because Americans are so into communism. Mitt is offering economic freedom, not class warfare.

He's offering cuts to education to pay for tax breaks, that's hardly the answer to any problems.


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on April 16, 2012, 02:12:04 PM
High turnout means big Obama win. It's that simple.


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: mondale84 on April 16, 2012, 02:14:29 PM
Not only that, but the Occupy stuff is going to shift momentum away from Romney.

Yeah right, because Americans are so into communism. Mitt is offering economic freedom, not class warfare.

You should start wearing that black shirt of yours...corporate fascists FTW


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: TheDeadFlagBlues on April 16, 2012, 02:21:57 PM
This is a likely voter poll of a recall election, toss it.


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on April 16, 2012, 02:24:33 PM
Mitt is offering economic freedom, not class warfare.

Mitt is the man who supports fascist "right-to-work" laws.

Fascist? Those laws protect workers from corrupt unions. If the Democrats are for freedom why do they support card check?


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: Yank2133 on April 16, 2012, 02:25:01 PM
Romney needs to pick the brilliant Paul Ryan for VP, which puts this state in play. Rubio is a horrible choice, and if FL isn't sealed up for Mitt on election day he's not going to win anyway.

Good idea, not only will they lose the state......but seniors may be up for grabs for the President.


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: Democratic Hawk on April 16, 2012, 02:26:22 PM
Not only that, but the Occupy stuff is going to shift momentum away from Romney.

Yeah right, because Americans are so into communism. Mitt is offering economic freedom, not class warfare.

"Freedom" my arse. Hasn't Mitt Romney realized that the 'Crash of 2008' and the ensuring 'Great Recession' has discredited the neoliberal mantra espoused by Friedrich von Hayek with the very thing neoliberals oppose - the state - intervening out of necessity to avert a reprisal of the Great Depression


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: Democratic Hawk on April 16, 2012, 02:31:02 PM
Mitt is offering economic freedom, not class warfare.

Mitt is the man who supports fascist "right-to-work" laws.

Fascist? Those laws protect workers from corrupt unions. If the Democrats are for freedom why do they support card check?

Maybe because labor unions play in integral role in securing the socio-economic well-being of the middle and working classes


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: krazen1211 on April 16, 2012, 02:32:04 PM
Walker has positive approval numbers in this poll, so it's clearly an outlier. Obama's winning WI by double digits.

Outlier! Junk poll! Outlier! Junk Poll!

Actually the bulk of polls have shown Walker on the path to victory.


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on April 16, 2012, 02:33:26 PM
Actually the bulk of polls have shown Walker on the path to victory.

That's different from having positive approval numbers.


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: Democratic Hawk on April 16, 2012, 02:36:05 PM
Mitt is offering economic freedom, not class warfare.

Mitt is the man who supports fascist "right-to-work" laws.

Fascist? Those laws protect workers from corrupt unions. If the Democrats are for freedom why do they support card check?

Maybe because labor unions play in integral role in securing the socio-economic well-being of the middle and working classes. They have as much a part to play in any liberal democratic/plural polity as business organizations or any other lobby group when it comes to influencing decision-making


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: krazen1211 on April 16, 2012, 03:46:15 PM
Actually the bulk of polls have shown Walker on the path to victory.

That's different from having positive approval numbers.

This poll here, among others, shows Walker with positive approvals.

https://law.marquette.edu/poll/


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: Gustaf on April 16, 2012, 04:35:35 PM
I thought we liked PPP? Is there a real reason other than that it shows Romney doing well for ignoring this? (serious question)


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: Oakvale on April 16, 2012, 04:51:41 PM
I thought we liked PPP? Is there a real reason other than that it shows Romney doing well for ignoring this? (serious question)

It's a poll of likely voters for the June recall.


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: DrScholl on April 16, 2012, 05:14:12 PM
Romney losing by 6 is hardly doing well, especially in a survey of likely voters at this stage.


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: Napoleon on April 16, 2012, 05:20:11 PM
Do I see the shadow of a troll?


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on April 16, 2012, 05:30:05 PM
Mitt is offering economic freedom, not class warfare.

Mitt is the man who supports fascist "right-to-work" laws.

Fascist? Those laws protect workers from corrupt unions. If the Democrats are for freedom why do they support card check?

Maybe because labor unions play in integral role in securing the socio-economic well-being of the middle and working classes. They have as much a part to play in any liberal democratic/plural polity as business organizations or any other lobby group when it comes to influencing decision-making

Fine. Don't workers have a right to privacy?


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on April 16, 2012, 05:32:47 PM
Romney needs to pick the brilliant Paul Ryan for VP, which puts this state in play. Rubio is a horrible choice, and if FL isn't sealed up for Mitt on election day he's not going to win anyway.

Tighten Wisconsin and win Florida by a larger margin than '08? You have a deal!


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on April 16, 2012, 06:00:48 PM
Romney needs to pick the brilliant Paul Ryan for VP, which puts this state in play. Rubio is a horrible choice, and if FL isn't sealed up for Mitt on election day he's not going to win anyway.

Tighten Wisconsin and win Florida by a larger margin than '08? You have a deal!

Why would Obama win FL by a larger margin? Mitt is a good fit for that state.


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on April 16, 2012, 06:04:36 PM
Romney needs to pick the brilliant Paul Ryan for VP, which puts this state in play. Rubio is a horrible choice, and if FL isn't sealed up for Mitt on election day he's not going to win anyway.

Tighten Wisconsin and win Florida by a larger margin than '08? You have a deal!

Why would Obama win FL by a larger margin? Mitt is a good fit for that state.

Ryan's budget that alters Medicare from it's current form would be on the ads in Florida around the clock. It won't be hard to paint Romney as the candidate that wants to change/destroy Medicare as we know it and shift seniors into Obama's camp.


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on April 16, 2012, 06:10:09 PM
"Mitt is the man who supports fascist "right-to-work" laws."

All the north is losing jobs to the south because of them. Unions are bad for the private sector. Good for government though.


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: 5280 on April 16, 2012, 06:31:16 PM
The UAW love Democrats, no question about that. 


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: Democratic Hawk on April 16, 2012, 06:51:10 PM
The UAW love Democrats, no question about that.  

Yep, General Motors is alive :) ... and Bin Laden is dead :)


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on April 16, 2012, 07:01:49 PM
"Mitt is the man who supports fascist "right-to-work" laws."

All the north is losing jobs to the south because of them. Unions are bad for the private sector. Good for government though.

America is also losing jobs to several Asian countries because of differing labor standards. Is that a legitimate reason for America to adopt those countries' labor standards?

Shadow, do you know what card check, in fact, does? (Hint: It removes one of the two steps of a process in which each step is almost identical.)


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on April 16, 2012, 07:07:27 PM
All the north is losing jobs to the south because of them.

Then why do "right-to-work" states generally have more unemployment?


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: pbrower2a on April 16, 2012, 08:40:03 PM
Mitt is offering economic freedom, not class warfare.

Mitt is the man who supports fascist "right-to-work" laws.

Fascist? Those laws protect workers from corrupt unions. If the Democrats are for freedom why do they support card check?

The way to deal with corrupt unions is to put democracy back in them as RFK tried to do with the Teamsters. Only crooks believe that union pension funds and other such assets should be exempt from audits, that union elections need not be fair, that union officials should be free to take retribution against dissidents, or that union officials should cut corrupt deals with companies for the gain of those officials.

Unions are the only institutions that can protect the rights of workers against bureaucratic organizations whose management gladly researches and exploits the economic vulnerabilities of individual workers.

"Right to work" means  the right to undercut other workers -- and to make it easy for employers to compel a race to the bottom in wages and working conditions.


Title: Re: WI-PPP: Obama leads Romney by 6 among likely voters
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on April 18, 2012, 05:13:09 PM
Database entry: https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2012/polls.php?action=indpoll&id=5520120415108