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Title: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: © tweed on April 17, 2012, 10:48:21 AM BRTD
Al Keystone Phil opebo Young Tweed Alcon Sam Spade Ben C0nst!ne Gustaf Lief Torie Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: Torie on April 17, 2012, 10:54:32 AM The list is a bit loaded in one direction. :P I put spaces where I suspect the break points are . left, center and right. I'm not sure about Tweed for some reason.
opebo Lief Al BRTD Young Tweed Ben C0nst!ne Alcon Gustaf Torie Sam Spade Keystone Phil Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: © tweed on April 17, 2012, 10:58:25 AM it is intentionally loaded in one direction. nearly all neoliberal-era right-wing ideology is banal and uniformly uninteresting, reducible down to at most three or four simple points.
Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: Torie on April 17, 2012, 11:02:08 AM it is intentionally loaded in one direction. nearly all neoliberal-era right-wing ideology is banal and uniformly uninteresting, reducible down to at most three or four simple points. Really? What are those "three or four simple points?" Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 17, 2012, 11:05:10 AM Not sure about some, but it's something like this.
opebo Young Tweed Lief BRTD Al Ben C0nst!ne Alcon Gustaf Torie Sam Spade Keystone Phil Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: Napoleon on April 17, 2012, 11:08:37 AM Al
BRTD Opebo Tweed Lief Gustaf Alcon Torie Ben Constine Keystone Phil Sam Spade Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: Keystone Phil on April 17, 2012, 11:57:24 AM So basically I'm put here to seem like an extreme right winger. :P
Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 17, 2012, 12:00:09 PM So basically I'm put here to seem like an extreme right winger. :P For European standards, certainly. For American standards, nah. It's just that there are only two mainstream republicans (you and Spade) so it doesn't take much to be ranked last. ;) Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: courts on April 17, 2012, 01:54:15 PM Young Tweed
opebo Lief Al BRTD Ben Constine Alcon Torie Gustaf Keystone Phil Sam Spade Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: Oakvale on April 17, 2012, 02:08:07 PM Al
Tweed BRTD Lief Alcon opebo Ben Constine Gustaf Torie Phil Sam Spade Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: memphis on April 17, 2012, 02:14:39 PM it is intentionally loaded in one direction. nearly all neoliberal-era right-wing ideology is banal and uniformly uninteresting, reducible down to at most three or four simple points. Really? What are those "three or four simple points?" 2. Taxes are too low on the 3. Capital should be free to do as it wishes, but not labor. 4. Corporations are people. Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: minionofmidas on April 17, 2012, 02:23:13 PM There is no such thing as politically "right". There is only "left", "wrong", or "both".
And the first is seldomly achieved by me and exceedingly rarely by anybody else. :P Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: © tweed on April 17, 2012, 02:50:38 PM Lief Al BRTD opebo Alcon Ben Torie Keystone Phil Gustaf Sam Spade Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: © tweed on April 17, 2012, 03:04:16 PM it is intentionally loaded in one direction. nearly all neoliberal-era right-wing ideology is banal and uniformly uninteresting, reducible down to at most three or four simple points. Really? What are those "three or four simple points?" privatize profit, socialize costs. concentrate power as far as possible from the political sphere; ie, undermine democracy. often tinged with an essentially contradictory moralism. respect the sovereignty of no states or peoples, other than the US. open the entire globe for the exploitation of its labor and natural resources for purposes of private profit. 'neoconservatives' typically come with a heavy dose of the moralism and are more willing to achieve the bottom point through the use of naked military force, rather than through more indirect means (CIA, economic pressures, etc.) Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: LastVoter on April 17, 2012, 03:12:58 PM Young Tweed opebo Al Lief BRTD Alcon Ben C0nst!ne Gustaf Torie Sam Spade Keystone Phil Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on April 17, 2012, 05:00:04 PM Considering opebo's support for various authoritarian governments out of purely ideological reasons, it's hard to call him an "left-winger".
Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: k-onmmunist on April 17, 2012, 05:00:32 PM Considering opebo's support for various authoritarian governments out of purely ideological reasons, it's hard to call him an "left-winger". Depends. There's an authoritarian left and a libertarian left Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on April 17, 2012, 05:01:50 PM Considering opebo's support for various authoritarian governments out of purely ideological reasons, it's hard to call him an "left-winger". Depends. There's an authoritarian left and a libertarian left Support for inherited priveledges, his attachment to the so-caller "higher classes" and conservative monarchism is hardly leftist. Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: Gustaf on April 17, 2012, 05:17:54 PM it is intentionally loaded in one direction. nearly all neoliberal-era right-wing ideology is banal and uniformly uninteresting, reducible down to at most three or four simple points. Your mother is reducible down to at most three or four simple points. I knew before opening the thread that Tweed would include me on it (which is of course why my ego drove me to open it). I think I largely agree with the consensus on here, that Torie, Phil and Spade are to my right and everyone else is to my left. Opebo may count on my right as well, depending on definitions. The various left-wingers I find less interesting to classify. It all becomes very introspective on that level. Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: Napoleon on April 17, 2012, 05:27:30 PM it is intentionally loaded in one direction. nearly all neoliberal-era right-wing ideology is banal and uniformly uninteresting, reducible down to at most three or four simple points. Your mother is reducible down to at most three or four simple points. What's the fourth? Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: tpfkaw on April 17, 2012, 05:32:08 PM it is intentionally loaded in one direction. nearly all neoliberal-era right-wing ideology is banal and uniformly uninteresting, reducible down to at most three or four simple points. Your mother is reducible down to at most three or four simple points. What's the fourth? I assume the implication is that it could be five if she's ambidextrous. Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: Napoleon on April 17, 2012, 05:33:57 PM it is intentionally loaded in one direction. nearly all neoliberal-era right-wing ideology is banal and uniformly uninteresting, reducible down to at most three or four simple points. Your mother is reducible down to at most three or four simple points. What's the fourth? I assume the implication is that it could be five if she's ambidextrous. I'll believe it when I see it. Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: k-onmmunist on April 17, 2012, 05:50:55 PM Considering opebo's support for various authoritarian governments out of purely ideological reasons, it's hard to call him an "left-winger". Depends. There's an authoritarian left and a libertarian left Support for inherited priveledges, his attachment to the so-caller "higher classes" and conservative monarchism is hardly leftist. Ah, yeah, I forgot about that. Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 17, 2012, 06:06:56 PM it is intentionally loaded in one direction. nearly all neoliberal-era right-wing ideology is banal and uniformly uninteresting, reducible down to at most three or four simple points. Really? What are those "three or four simple points?" 2. Taxes are too low on the 3. Capital should be free to do as it wishes, but not labor. 4. Corporations are people. I'd puit it that way : 1 If we don't let inequalities prosper to the highest possible degree, we will disincentivize talent and encourage mediocrity 2 Taxes are EVIL : cut them as much as you can 3 The Welfare State is a way to subsidize laziness : nothing should be for free 4 Regulations are what prevent the market from working efficiently : abolish them and everything will be awesome Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on April 17, 2012, 06:10:03 PM I knew before opening the thread that Tweed would include me on it (which is of course why my ego drove me to open it). Some people are very predictable, aren't they? Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: Grumpier Than Uncle Joe on April 17, 2012, 07:39:27 PM Does anyone think Spade is not THAT far right?
Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: © tweed on April 17, 2012, 08:17:25 PM he's a pragmatist, but also very committed to protecting the privileged access of groups to wealth and power: whites, men, by class, and so on.
Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: opebo on April 17, 2012, 08:18:30 PM Young Tweed
Al opebo Lief BRTD Alcon Ben C0nst!ne Gustaf Torie Keystone Phil Sam Spade Edit: forgot Leif Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on April 17, 2012, 09:40:40 PM opebo
Al Lief BRTD Alcon Ben C0nst!ne Sam Spade Torie Gustaf Keystone Phil Young Tweed is pretty difficult as he ranged at times from a constine-esque Moderate Hero to a Marxist-Leninist. Are you referring to the median, the Daily Kos-style hack liberal Tweed? Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: © tweed on April 17, 2012, 09:46:25 PM Young Tweed is pretty difficult as he ranged at times from a constine-esque Moderate Hero to a Marxist-Leninist. Are you referring to the median, the Daily Kos-style hack liberal Tweed? refer back to my last display name, prior to the change a half hour or so ago: Tweed, as you understand Him Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on April 17, 2012, 09:48:21 PM Oh the hack Tweed then? You'd probably be between me and Alcon then.
Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: © tweed on April 17, 2012, 09:49:07 PM if that is how you understand me.
Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: Keystone Phil on April 17, 2012, 09:49:55 PM Does anyone think Spade is not THAT far right? I don't even consider him conservative, to be honest. He's certainly not socially conservative. Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on April 17, 2012, 10:08:48 PM Spade used to be a conservative, today he doesn't really have an ideology beyond claiming that he already knew that things that already happened were going to happen and thus policies in the run up to them were bad.
Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: Gustaf on April 18, 2012, 12:48:20 AM opebo Al Lief BRTD Alcon Ben C0nst!ne Sam Spade Torie Gustaf Keystone Phil Young Tweed is pretty difficult as he ranged at times from a constine-esque Moderate Hero to a Marxist-Leninist. Are you referring to the median, the Daily Kos-style hack liberal Tweed? What puts me to the right of Sam and Torie? Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: patrick1 on April 18, 2012, 12:59:12 AM Al
Alcon Lief BRTD Gustaf Young Tweed Torie Keystone Phil Ben C0nst!ne Sam Spade opebo Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on April 18, 2012, 01:07:14 AM Lief
Al Opebo BRTD Tweed Alcon Ben C0nst!ne Gustaf Torie Sam Spade Keystone Phil Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: Beet on April 18, 2012, 01:13:33 AM Lief
Tweed Al opebo BRTD Alcon Ben C0nst!ne Gustaf Torie Sam Spade Keystone Phil Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on April 18, 2012, 01:26:06 AM opebo Al Lief BRTD Alcon Ben C0nst!ne Sam Spade Torie Gustaf Keystone Phil Young Tweed is pretty difficult as he ranged at times from a constine-esque Moderate Hero to a Marxist-Leninist. Are you referring to the median, the Daily Kos-style hack liberal Tweed? What puts me to the right of Sam and Torie? Torie voted for Obama. I doubt he'd vote Republican in the 2006 Minnesota Senate race either. As I noted above Sam doesn't really have an ideology anymore. Al Alcon Lief BRTD Gustaf Young Tweed Torie Keystone Phil Ben C0nst!ne Sam Spade opebo I don't know what's the wierdest bit about this: 1-Alcon being the second most left even though he's a dedicated Moderate Hero who kept insisting in 2008 he was going to vote for McCain even though basically not a single person believed him. 2-Tweed being to the right of Gustaf, unless you're thinking only of the constine-esque one and ignoring him as a Marxist-Leninist. 3-opebo being the most right wing. Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: Gustaf on April 18, 2012, 01:33:33 AM opebo Al Lief BRTD Alcon Ben C0nst!ne Sam Spade Torie Gustaf Keystone Phil Young Tweed is pretty difficult as he ranged at times from a constine-esque Moderate Hero to a Marxist-Leninist. Are you referring to the median, the Daily Kos-style hack liberal Tweed? What puts me to the right of Sam and Torie? Torie voted for Obama. I doubt he'd vote Republican in the 2006 Minnesota Senate race either. As I noted above Sam doesn't really have an ideology anymore. Al Alcon Lief BRTD Gustaf Young Tweed Torie Keystone Phil Ben C0nst!ne Sam Spade opebo I don't know what's the wierdest bit about this: 1-Alcon being the second most left even though he's a dedicated Moderate Hero who kept insisting in 2008 he was going to vote for McCain even though basically not a single person believed him. 2-Tweed being to the right of Gustaf, unless you're thinking only of the constine-esque one and ignoring him as a Marxist-Leninist. 3-opebo being the most right wing. Eh, ok. Then again, Torie is supporting Romney now whereas I'm leaning clearly towards Obama. So I fail to see your logic. Your obsession with the 2006 MN race is creepy. I generally support Democratic candidates, as you well know, since we've been over this before. Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: Joe Republic on April 18, 2012, 01:37:55 AM Your obsession with [ ] is creepy. Have you encountered BRTD before? Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on April 18, 2012, 01:38:56 AM opebo Al Lief BRTD Alcon Ben C0nst!ne Sam Spade Torie Gustaf Keystone Phil Young Tweed is pretty difficult as he ranged at times from a constine-esque Moderate Hero to a Marxist-Leninist. Are you referring to the median, the Daily Kos-style hack liberal Tweed? What puts me to the right of Sam and Torie? Torie voted for Obama. I doubt he'd vote Republican in the 2006 Minnesota Senate race either. As I noted above Sam doesn't really have an ideology anymore. Al Alcon Lief BRTD Gustaf Young Tweed Torie Keystone Phil Ben C0nst!ne Sam Spade opebo I don't know what's the wierdest bit about this: 1-Alcon being the second most left even though he's a dedicated Moderate Hero who kept insisting in 2008 he was going to vote for McCain even though basically not a single person believed him. 2-Tweed being to the right of Gustaf, unless you're thinking only of the constine-esque one and ignoring him as a Marxist-Leninist. 3-opebo being the most right wing. Eh, ok. Then again, Torie is supporting Romney now whereas I'm leaning clearly towards Obama. So I fail to see your logic. Your obsession with the 2006 MN race is creepy. I generally support Democratic candidates, as you well know, since we've been over this before. Yes but you supported a far right wing Republican with absolutely no crossover appeal or appeal to swing voters who was absolutely destroyed and won basically only the GOP base. That would define you as a GOP base voter. That's like someone insisting that they're a Republican who would've voted for Mondale in '84. Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: patrick1 on April 18, 2012, 02:09:49 AM BRTD, I did this based on personality and not just rhetoric. Opebo is clearly a fascist.
I think Alcon is more left in his sensibilities than many of the so called leftists. Tweed is a chameleon and could turn tomorrow. Gustaf I see as the middle. Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on April 18, 2012, 02:12:25 AM I fail to see how someone who refers to their homeland as "The Bad Place" would be sufficiently nationalistic to be fascist.
Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: Gustaf on April 18, 2012, 02:18:13 AM opebo Al Lief BRTD Alcon Ben C0nst!ne Sam Spade Torie Gustaf Keystone Phil Young Tweed is pretty difficult as he ranged at times from a constine-esque Moderate Hero to a Marxist-Leninist. Are you referring to the median, the Daily Kos-style hack liberal Tweed? What puts me to the right of Sam and Torie? Torie voted for Obama. I doubt he'd vote Republican in the 2006 Minnesota Senate race either. As I noted above Sam doesn't really have an ideology anymore. Al Alcon Lief BRTD Gustaf Young Tweed Torie Keystone Phil Ben C0nst!ne Sam Spade opebo I don't know what's the wierdest bit about this: 1-Alcon being the second most left even though he's a dedicated Moderate Hero who kept insisting in 2008 he was going to vote for McCain even though basically not a single person believed him. 2-Tweed being to the right of Gustaf, unless you're thinking only of the constine-esque one and ignoring him as a Marxist-Leninist. 3-opebo being the most right wing. Eh, ok. Then again, Torie is supporting Romney now whereas I'm leaning clearly towards Obama. So I fail to see your logic. Your obsession with the 2006 MN race is creepy. I generally support Democratic candidates, as you well know, since we've been over this before. Yes but you supported a far right wing Republican with absolutely no crossover appeal or appeal to swing voters who was absolutely destroyed and won basically only the GOP base. That would define you as a GOP base voter. That's like someone insisting that they're a Republican who would've voted for Mondale in '84. Ok? So the fact that I supported the 2006 Dem Gubernatorial candidate in Georgia, who got destroyed by the same margin as your cherished Kennedy then proves that I'm also a Democratic base voter, I suppose? Amazing! I'm both a Democratic AND a Republican base voter simultaneously. Actually, to follow your example, I'd have supported McGovern in 1972. Man, that makes SO much of a Democrat I should probably be even further left on the list. Or you fail logic. Again. Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: patrick1 on April 18, 2012, 02:40:22 AM I fail to see how someone who refers to their homeland as "The Bad Place" would be sufficiently nationalistic to be fascist. Because he is in love with himself. That is his nation. Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: LastVoter on April 18, 2012, 03:50:31 AM Young Tweed opebo Al Lief BRTD Alcon Ben C0nst!ne Gustaf Torie Sam Spade Keystone Phil edit: Oh looks like we already have a thread like that... Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: Lambsbread on April 18, 2012, 05:18:41 AM Left
Young Tweed opebo BRTD Al Lief Alcon Gustaf Ben C0nst!ne Sam Spade Torie Keystone Phil Right Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: opebo on April 18, 2012, 06:05:54 AM Al Alcon Lief BRTD Gustaf Young Tweed Torie Keystone Phil Ben C0nst!ne Sam Spade opebo I like it! Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: morgieb on April 19, 2012, 06:36:49 AM opebo
BRTD Al Lief Ben C0nst!ne Gustaf Torie Sam Spade Keystone Phil Don't really know Young Tweed or Alcon. And is Ben really that right-wing? He seems like a leftie to me, admittedly one that's pretty hawkish. Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: © tweed on April 19, 2012, 07:15:36 AM And is Ben really that right-wing? He seems like a leftie to me, admittedly one that's pretty hawkish. Ben wouldn't be able to explain what left-wing ideology is if it were the prompt to the essay section on the SAT. Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right Post by: minionofmidas on April 19, 2012, 07:25:13 AM And is Ben really that right-wing? He seems like a leftie to me, admittedly one that's pretty hawkish. Ben wouldn't be able to explain what left-wing ideology is if it were the prompt to the essay section on the SAT. |