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NOTICE TO ALL ATLASIANS:


At precisely 11:44 AM EST, the Senate of Atlasia assembled voted to expell from its membership, Mideast Regional Senator and Senate Dean MoPolitico. The vote (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=152408.msg3272696#msg3272696) was 9-0 in favor of expulsion on the grounds of innactivity exceeding 14 days.


Senator NC Yankee,
President Pro-Tempore

Who's Dean of the Senate now, you?

I have been the longest serving Senator since Afleitch resigned to become President in February of 2010. Therefore I have been Dean either officially or unofficially since then. The rules state that the "official" Dean is the the longest serving Senator who is not also PPT. Therefore whenver I am elected PPT the title passes to next longest serving Senator. It was thus MoPolitico. Now it is TJ in Cleve. After him, it is you. https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=119311.msg3272714#msg3272714

Damn, I'd be Dean now if I only remained in the Senate :/

Twice over actually. :P

Hmm

Who to pick...

I suggest Badger, Frodo, or yourself. :)

Too many hard right wing Senators as it is!

Or...opebo!!!

*cough*Tweed*cough*

I thought the Mideast had a special election, since that movement was centered there last fall after the "officepark" situation.

Well, whatever it is, get it done quickly. I am anxious to begin the torture session. >:D

F**k. Mo was a regional Senator. Disregard my last post.

HappyWarrior, Officepark, and MoPolitico, have all experienced activity crashes while holding the Mideast Senate seat. It has been cursed!!! It is a cursed seat!!!

Yes, but the cause was headed by a lowly at-large senator from that region and didn't find any friends in the assembly.

I am honored by the mention, but I am afraid my activity levels are much like MOPolitico's.  Assuming Afleitch has already chosen to move to another region, perhaps Badger might be the better choice.  

Median econ score in incoming Senate: -0.65
Median social score in incoming Senate: -5.04

"Hard right-wing" indeed!  Thanks for the laffs.

The median score is not representative of the entire ten member senate, which as I said has too many hard right senators.

The median score is the only one that matters, since it represents the deciding vote, but the average scores are similar and also negative.  Furthermore, there are two Senators with an econ score below -5 compared to one with an econ score above 5, and five with a social score below -5 compared to one with a social score above 5.  There are two with both an econ and a social score below -5 and none with both an econ and a social score above 5.

Your statement is ridiculous by any conceivable metric.

That said, I'd recommend the active, hard-working, and decidedly non-hard-right current GM and former Senator Shua, if he's up to it.

I like shua just fine and even wrote him in during the last election. But no, the median score does not in any way represent a deciding vote. This is coming from someone with two terms in the Senate and a clear understanding of how the body works. That you even think a political matrix that is barely useful for scoring American politics can translate to Atlasia in such a way is unnerving. The left wing Senators are mostly moderate, like Scott, Sbane, ilikeverin, and Nathan. The right wing senators are all fairly extreme unless you consider Andrew right wing, which I and he would object to.

Also, anyone who uses PM scores as a serious evaluation of someone's beliefs needs their head checked.

Before that you need to look and make sure that even have a head in the first place to check. :P

Ilikeverin and Nathan are "moderate?"  In what universe is that the case?  I doubt they would even self-describe as "moderates," unless they felt like being disingenuous.  Having had personal experience with both Scott and Sbane in the Northeast Assembly, I cannot recall them ever once supporting a single piece of "right" legislation, whereas I'm fairly sure TJ votes with the left in the Senate more than half the time, and Clarence and especially Yankee are hardly ideologues.  The only "moderates" in the Senate, in the sense of supporting a mixture of both left-wing and right-wing positions, are on the "right."  In fact, there is not a single member of the incoming Senate who favors moving Atlasia rightwards on every issue, compared to several who favor leftist positions on every issue save perhaps free trade.  Furthermore, by your own admission, since you exclude Andrew, the left outnumbers the right in the Senate.

Afleitch should obviously appoint himself as the obvious moderately conservative choice for a region such as the Mideast.

I won't appoint someone from the hard right. There are some residents I would refuse to consider because of their views.

I would be glad to participate in this seat if I were also able to retain my Supreme Court appointment. 

You and I would be wonderful colleagues in the Senate- opebo

Dual officeholding isn't allowed. :P

As far as I'm concerned, you're correct. Obviously we've tangled over the correct way to describe me in the past, but I don't think either of us ever deployed or wanted to deploy 'moderate'.


Does the Supreme Court do anything?

The Liberal Party's platform which I wrote is quite moderate, and my economic PM score is practically centrist compared to others.  Honestly, you just don't know what you're talking about.

What's new, Scott? And, uh, Nathan is definitely socially moderate. TJ, Clarence, Yankee aren't.

But Nathan is not at all a moderate economically, while at least TJ is much more moderate in that respect. That's why it's extremely far-fetched to call Nathan "mostly moderate" and TJ "extreme".

I don't consider TJ economically moderate at all (cite PM scored if you would like to lose all credibility).

I'm not surprised that you do not consider TJ a moderate on economic issues because it doesn't serve your political goals. It is your goal to portray the members of the Senate in extreme black/white terms because it helps your campaign to decry those in the Senate who are on the other side of the political spectrum as extremists, even though such an assessment lacks any credibility.

Just to give you an example of TJ's moderate views: He is pro trade unions, which is not exactly a far-right stance.

TJ's comments about how he would treat a gay kid are moderate? They sounded like anti-family extremism to me.

We're clearly talking about economic issues here. You even referred to economic issues yourself when you said TJ was not a moderate on economic issues.

My party considers the family to be the primary unit of society, therefore family issues are logically an important economic aspect too. Do the Whigs not think the family is that important to our economy? :(

Thinking anything involving "gay" is a social issue- that is "black and white" thinking.

You seem very proficient in changing the subject, I have to admit that. You nearly managed to draw the focus of this discussion away from your intial and, in my opinion, baseless claim "the left Senators are moderate, the right Senators are extreme" to a general debate about the Whig Party and a comment TJ made in a thread that is irrelevant for Atlasian affairs and have not influenced TJ's performance in the Senate.

I'm aware that social and economic issues often mingle. However, I think it's inaccurate to claim TJ is an extremist on economic issues because of a statement he made about a very hypothetical situation concerning his hypothetical future family while the more persuasive arguments, such as TJ's pro trade union stance, are neglected.

OMG this whole thread has gotten crazy.

I didn't know unions were a big deal in Atlasia, I haven't seen it come up ever.

So take his "nay" on the radical Atlasian "Tax Reduction Bill", his sponsorship of the "Mideast Corporate Governance Reform Act" - I think these examples make it evident that TJ is not an extremist on economic issues.

But that's my last contribution on this matter. Andrew is right, the thread has taken a strange turn!

It's a funny world, isn't it...