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Title: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 01, 2012, 03:14:50 PM
Name: Jack McKinley Dawson

Born: October 12, 1954

Location: Pittsburgh PA

Occupation: IAFF member

Political views:

Abortion: Pro-Life

Guns: Pro gun

Making drug testing mandatory for welfare: For it

Same sex Marriage: Anti same sex marriage/LGBT rights

Welfare Reform: For it

Health care reform: For it

Military: Wants a strong, build, powerful, military

Medicare/Social Security spending: Thinks the government shouldn't cut entitlements for the elderly/disabled

Food stamps: Against it

Illegal Immigration: Wants to protect the borders

Minimum Wage: Wants to raise the wage price in PA

Labor unions: Obvious yes is obvious

Death Penalty: For the death penalty

 Affirmative  Action: Think the concept is "reverse discrimination".

Free trade: Against outsourcing jobs overseas  

Education: Send his kids to public schools, though he doesn't mind Catholic schools as an alternative

Civil rights: Thinks black men such as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are out to kill the whitey.

 hobbies: Watching football/hockey, listening to classic rock/country music, drinking beer, hanging out with his friends, going to the Catholic Church services


Title: Re: This blue collar voter and how he'll vote in 2012 election
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on May 01, 2012, 03:19:18 PM
If he's active in the union, as you imply, lean Obama. Remember that Obama is also pro-death penalty and supports securing the borders (more immigrants deported and more boots on the border than ever).

Also, he works as a union member? That's not a job.


Title: Re: How will this blue collar worker vote in 2012 election
Post by: Lief 🗽 on May 01, 2012, 03:30:24 PM
People like this don't really exist on the not-internet.


Title: Re: How will this blue collar worker vote in 2012 election
Post by: angus on May 01, 2012, 03:32:24 PM
Name: Jack Dawson

Born: October 12, 1954

Location: Pittsburgh PA

Occupation: Union member

Political views:

Abortion: Pro-Life

Guns: Pro gun

Making drug testing mandatory for welfare: For it

Same sex Marriage: Anti same sex marriage/LGBT rights

Welfare Reform: For it

Health care reform: For it

Military: Wants a strong, build military

Medicare/Social Security spending: Thinks the government shouldn't cut entitlements for the elderly/disabled

Food stamps: Against it

Illegal Immigration: Wants to protect the borders

Minimum Wage: Wants to raise the wage price in PA

Labor unions: Obvious yes is obvious

Death Penalty: For the death penalty

 Affirmative  Action: Think the concept is "reverse discrimination".

Free trade: Against outsourcing jobs overseas  

Education: Send his kids to public schools, though he doesn't mind Catholic schools as an alternative though

Civil rights: Thinks black men such as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are out to kill the whitey.

 hobbies: Watching football/hockey, listening to classic rock/country music, drinking beer, hanging out with his friends, going to the Catholic Church services


You seem to know Jack Dawson pretty well.  Given your intimacy with him, I don't think you need to ask a bunch of strangers on the internet how he'll vote.  Why not just go ask him directly?


Title: Re: How will this blue collar worker vote in 2012 election
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 01, 2012, 03:37:37 PM
Name: Jack Dawson

Born: October 12, 1954

Location: Pittsburgh PA

Occupation: Union member

Political views:

Abortion: Pro-Life

Guns: Pro gun

Making drug testing mandatory for welfare: For it

Same sex Marriage: Anti same sex marriage/LGBT rights

Welfare Reform: For it

Health care reform: For it

Military: Wants a strong, build military

Medicare/Social Security spending: Thinks the government shouldn't cut entitlements for the elderly/disabled

Food stamps: Against it

Illegal Immigration: Wants to protect the borders

Minimum Wage: Wants to raise the wage price in PA

Labor unions: Obvious yes is obvious

Death Penalty: For the death penalty

 Affirmative  Action: Think the concept is "reverse discrimination".

Free trade: Against outsourcing jobs overseas  

Education: Send his kids to public schools, though he doesn't mind Catholic schools as an alternative though

Civil rights: Thinks black men such as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are out to kill the whitey.

 hobbies: Watching football/hockey, listening to classic rock/country music, drinking beer, hanging out with his friends, going to the Catholic Church services


You seem to know Jack Dawson pretty well.  Given your intimacy with him, I don't think you need to ask a bunch of strangers on the internet how he'll vote.  Why not just go ask him directly?



I just created this fictional blue collar worker to ask how people like him, AKA Reagan Democrats, will vote in this election. 


Title: Re: How will this blue collar worker vote in 2012 election
Post by: opebo on May 01, 2012, 03:40:28 PM
People like this don't really exist on the not-internet.

Yes, they all lost their jobs and houses long ago, and many have died off due to the ailments and mishaps which do beset the poor.  The few that do survive now live under the freeway-overpass, and voting is the furthest thing from their minds.


Title: Re: How will this blue collar worker vote in 2012 election
Post by: Niemeyerite on May 01, 2012, 04:29:20 PM
He'd have voted for Santorum. But I think he's pretty convinced he'll vote for Obama again (as he did in 2008).


Title: Re: How will this blue collar worker vote in 2012 election
Post by: old timey villain on May 01, 2012, 04:40:03 PM
Jack Dawson died on the titanic a century ago....


Title: Re: How will this blue collar worker vote in 2012 election
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 01, 2012, 04:50:05 PM
Jack Dawson died on the titanic a century ago....


And played first grade rugby too.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Dawson_(rugby_league)


Title: Re: How will this blue collar worker vote in 2012 election
Post by: Indy Texas on May 01, 2012, 06:28:51 PM
Reluctant vote for Obama

If he loses his job between now and the election, he'll stay home and won't vote


Title: Re: How will this blue collar worker vote in 2012 election
Post by: morgieb on May 01, 2012, 06:32:59 PM
Obama reluctantly.


Title: Re: How will this blue collar worker vote in 2012 election
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 01, 2012, 08:33:21 PM
I feel like this all reads out as the stereotype profile of the Reagan Democrat. This is what I'm aiming for in this thread and basically most blue collar workers are in line with Dawson political positions.


Title: Re: How will this blue collar worker vote in 2012 election
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on May 01, 2012, 08:38:47 PM
Depends how susceptible he is to BS... he probably voted for Clinton and Gore, didn't for Kerry or Obama 08... my gut is he probably votes Romney... although if he knew what Romney wants to do... he'd vote Obama, but I think the Romney economic BS and the social issue rhetoric will pull him right.

But I disagree that all blue-collar workers think the same as this... plus he seems more... KY, WV, TN than PA.


Title: Re: How will this blue collar worker vote in 2012 election
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on May 01, 2012, 08:42:56 PM
He definitely sounds more right-wing than left-wing.  So Romney.


Title: Re: How will this blue collar worker vote in the 2012 election
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on May 01, 2012, 09:01:25 PM
Plus - breaking down this guy a bit...

According to the 2008 exit poll...

Lost white men by 16%
Lost white people in his income bracket by 14%
He probably doesn't have any college, so white guys without college Obama lost by 18%
weekly Church attendance by 12%....

So this guy, regardless of his concerns about medicare etc etc, in the end he won't care enough about them to vote Obama.


Title: Re: How will this blue collar worker vote in the 2012 election
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on May 01, 2012, 09:27:14 PM
Union membership changes everything, however.


Title: Re: How will this blue collar worker vote in the 2012 election
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on May 01, 2012, 09:38:12 PM
Union membership changes everything, however.

Not entirely... it makes you MORE likely to vote Democratic but look at the PA Senate race in 2010... Toomey got 44% of the Union vote. Obama did well, but McCain still won 32% of Union people in PA... and I'll bet they're social Conservatives from W PA. Bush got 38% of the Union vote in 2004...



Title: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: tpfkaw on May 01, 2012, 10:15:10 PM
Go forth, real people, and speculate as to the voting habits of these imaginary people:

Jenna - age 21.  Part-time waitress, earns and receives about $13,000/year and pays nothing in tax.  White, comes from a working-class family.  High-school education and is taking classes in Criminal Justice at a local community college.  Receives food stamps and the Earned Income Tax Credit.  Volunteers for her church youth group, has pledged abstinence until marriage.

Sam - age 19.  Private in the US Army, earning about $20,000/year before taxes.  White, comes from a working-class family.  High-school education, joined the army in the hopes of being able to attend college.  Only sometimes goes to church, but when he got his girlfriend pregnant he proposed to her and asked her to keep the baby (she refused and didn't).

Larry - age 66.  Retired autoworker, receiving about $55,000/year before taxes from Social Security and his pension.  White, comes from a middle-class, blue-collar family.  High-school education.  Stopped paying his union dues several years ago, and owns three guns.  Divorced, has 3 children, all of whom are grown, and 2 grandchildren.  Only sometimes goes to church.

Wesley - age 39.  Associate at a law firm, earning about $90,000/year before taxes.  Parents were upper-middle to upper class.  Went to private school, and attended state university for both his undergraduate studies and law school.  Unmarried and without children.  Irreligious.

Arturo - age 44.  Owns a landscaping business, earning about $125,000/year before taxes.  Immigrated from Honduras at age 6, parents were wealthy for Honduras but middle-class in America.  High-school education.  Many of his employees are illegal immigrants, his clients are wealthy McMansion owners.  Married and has 2 children, wants to send both to college.  Very religious and attends church weekly.

David - age 52.  Neurosurgeon, earning about $750,000/year before taxes.  Comes from an upper-middle class family.  Graduated from Columbia and the NYU School of Medicine.  Married, has 2 children in college and a third in private school.  Jewish, attends a Reform synagogue most weeks.


Title: Re: Another one of those "how will these people vote" threads.
Post by: Adam Griffin on May 01, 2012, 10:21:55 PM
Jenna - D
Sam - R
Larry - R
Wesley - D
Arturo - R
David - D


Title: Re: Another one of those "how will these people vote" threads.
Post by: LastVoter on May 01, 2012, 10:27:39 PM
This would be more interesting if someone did this with real people and let Atlas guess.


Title: Re: Another one of those "how will these people vote" threads.
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on May 01, 2012, 10:45:40 PM
Not a single one of these people votes Republican, because the GOP has done something to alienate each and every last one of them.


Title: Re: How will this blue collar worker vote in the 2012 election
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on May 01, 2012, 11:00:47 PM
Schaitberger has been ramping up the "we are victims of the right" crap though. So it could come down to how involved he really is with the IAFF.


Title: Re: Another one of those "how will these people vote" threads.
Post by: LastVoter on May 01, 2012, 11:06:10 PM
Not a single one of these people votes Republican, because the GOP has done something to alienate each and every last one of them.
Call it the Stockholm syndrome, but people continue to vote Republican.


Title: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: 5280 on May 01, 2012, 11:11:55 PM
Name: Steven Anderson

Born: June 5, 1973

Location: Los Angeles, CA

Occupation: Janus Mutual Funds (Investor Relations)

Political views:

Abortion: Pro-Life

Guns: Pro gun

Making drug testing mandatory for welfare: Against it

Same sex Marriage: Make same sex legal for US states to decide.

Drugs: Legalize Marijuana, regulate

Welfare Reform: Against it, wants private sector/charities to take over

Health care reform: Privatized

Military: Modern, powerful, small military.

Medicare/Social Security spending: Will spend extra for senior entitlements, make sure they're good.

Food stamps: Against it

Illegal Immigration: Wants to protect the borders

Minimum Wage: Doesn't want them raised

Labor unions: No

Death Penalty: Pro death penalty

Affirmative Action: No

Free trade: Unrestricted free trade

Education: Will send his kids to public school, or private school.  Will do research on public schools based on teachers performance.

Civil rights: Thinks people should have equal rights.

Hobbies: Watching TV golf/gambing, listening to modern rock/smooth jazz, drinking wine or imported beer, hanging out with his close friends, spending time at the country club. Taking kids to Disney World, or other family events. Going to church a few times a year.


Title: Re: How will this white collar person vote?
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on May 01, 2012, 11:13:59 PM
I doubt many such people exist in LA, but such a person would definitely be a Romney voter.


Title: Re: How will this white collar person vote?
Post by: tmthforu94 on May 01, 2012, 11:14:47 PM
Especially if he attends a Mormon church, certainly Romney.


Title: Re: How will this white collar person vote?
Post by: morgieb on May 01, 2012, 11:17:20 PM
Romney.


Title: Re: Another one of those "how will these people vote" threads.
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on May 01, 2012, 11:18:04 PM
Jenna - Obama

Sam - Obama

Larry - Where he lives is important, I'll guess Romney

Wesley - If he lives on the west coast or northeast, Obama, south, Sunbelt or most parts of the Midwest, probably Romney.

Arturo - Obama

David - Obama


Title: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on May 01, 2012, 11:38:38 PM
Steven: 38 years old, lives in Madison, Wisconsin, has a public sector job and belongs to a union. Is divorced, has one child whom he does not have custody of, hires escorts on a regular basis, drinks alcohol almost every night, frequently uses marijuana, is not religious.

Mike: 23 years old, recent college graduate, now unemployed, just quit his job doing pizza delivery but has a huge trust fund from very affluent parents in the Philly suburbs. Does work at temp agencies to pass the time, lives in Philadelphia, has a girlfriend but is not interested in marriage, spends most of his time going to hardcore and indie rock shows and getting drunk but doesn't do any other drugs, is not religious.

Jenny: 27 years old, went to a Christian university for two years before dropping out, works as a receptionist at a local accounting firm in Denver but is hoping to return to college soon. Attends an evangelical charismatic church with a mostly younger congregation, took an abstinence pledge in her teens but doesn't follow it and didn't with her last boyfriend, is pro-life but supports gay marriage, uses pot with her friends including some people in her church small group.

Joe: 33 years old, lives a Seattle suburb, works at a bank. Is not opposed to gay marriage but does not care much about the issue, is vaguely pro-life but considers it a low priority, supports drug legalization but is personally straightedge, reads Ayn Rand and generally adheres to her philosophy. Supported Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012 but was also creeped out by some of the more cult-like supporters. Was engaged last year but ended up breaking it off, is vaguely religious and only attends church on holidays.


Title: Re: Who would these people vote for?
Post by: 5280 on May 01, 2012, 11:44:13 PM
Steven - D
Mike - Third Party
Jenny - R
Joe - Third Party


Title: Re: Who would these people vote for?
Post by: Napoleon on May 01, 2012, 11:49:13 PM
Obama
Romney
Romney
Romney


Title: Re: Who would these people vote for?
Post by: tpfkaw on May 01, 2012, 11:53:12 PM

Muammar Gaddafi.

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hardcore

Krazen.

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an evangelical charismatic church with a mostly younger congregation

Catholicism.

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straightedge

The Lords Resistance Army.


Title: Re: Who would these people vote for?
Post by: rebeltarian on May 02, 2012, 12:50:21 AM
Steven: 38 years old, lives in Madison, Wisconsin, has a public sector job and belongs to a union. Is divorced, has one child whom he does not have custody of, hires escorts on a regular basis, drinks alcohol almost every night, frequently uses marijuana, is not religious.

Liberal Democrat.  Probably a Tom Barrett and Dennis Kucinich fan.  Definitely Obama, unless he's in a real cynical mood around election time (escort girls start over-charging), in which case he may vote Green. 

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Mike: 23 years old, recent college graduate, now unemployed, just quit his job doing pizza delivery but has a huge trust fund from very affluent parents in the Philly suburbs. Does work at temp agencies to pass the time, lives in Philadelphia, has a girlfriend but is not interested in marriage, spends most of his time going to hardcore and indie rock shows and getting drunk but doesn't do any other drugs, is not religious.

This sounds like another confused liberal douche, but he also might be a Ron Paul supporter (depends on how cool he is).  Either Obama or a Ron Paul write-in, but there's a strong chance he may not even be sober enough to go out and vote on election day.

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Jenny: 27 years old, went to a Christian university for two years before dropping out, works as a receptionist at a local accounting firm in Denver but is hoping to return to college soon. Attends an evangelical charismatic church with a mostly younger congregation, took an abstinence pledge in her teens but doesn't follow it and didn't with her last boyfriend, is pro-life but supports gay marriage, uses pot with her friends including some people in her church small group.

Lol! As a former evangelical fundie myself, I can attest that this pretty well shadows countless young females that I've met at church.  The pot-smoking is a bit unlikely, but the abstinence pledge-breaking and dropping out of bible school sounds like pretty typical fare for a 20-something fundie girl nowadays.  Jenny probably isn't into the secular social liberalism/feminism of Democrats, but she also is probably into social justice and left-leaning on fiscal issues.  She's another confused young adult going through a right-of-passage.  If she meets and marries a decent Christian man, she'll evolve into a hallmark-card conservative.  If life continues to be rough, somewhere around 30 she'll go off the deep, stop attending church and become a heinous liberal.  For now, she's a swing voter, but probably leaning Obama this time around.     

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Joe: 33 years old, lives a Seattle suburb, works at a bank. Is not opposed to gay marriage but does not care much about the issue, is vaguely pro-life but considers it a low priority, supports drug legalization but is personally straightedge, reads Ayn Rand and generally adheres to her philosophy. Supported Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012 but was also creeped out by some of the more cult-like supporters. Was engaged last year but ended up breaking it off, is vaguely religious and only attends church on holidays.

Another libertariantard.  Most likely Romney, but may go Libertarian or another RP write-in if Paul gets shafted at the RNC and/or if Romney nominates a Palin-esque moonbat for his running mate and the economy is improving anyways. 


Title: Re: Who would these people vote for?
Post by: LastVoter on May 02, 2012, 02:25:07 AM
Steven: 38 years old, lives in Madison, Wisconsin, has a public sector job and belongs to a union. Is divorced, has one child whom he does not have custody of, hires escorts on a regular basis, drinks alcohol almost every night, frequently uses marijuana, is not religious.

Liberal Democrat.  Probably a Tom Barrett and Dennis Kucinich fan.  Definitely Obama, unless he's in a real cynical mood around election time (escort girls start over-charging), in which case he may vote Green. 

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Mike: 23 years old, recent college graduate, now unemployed, just quit his job doing pizza delivery but has a huge trust fund from very affluent parents in the Philly suburbs. Does work at temp agencies to pass the time, lives in Philadelphia, has a girlfriend but is not interested in marriage, spends most of his time going to hardcore and indie rock shows and getting drunk but doesn't do any other drugs, is not religious.

This sounds like another confused liberal douche, but he also might be a Ron Paul supporter (depends on how cool he is).  Either Obama or a Ron Paul write-in, but there's a strong chance he may not even be sober enough to go out and vote on election day.

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Jenny: 27 years old, went to a Christian university for two years before dropping out, works as a receptionist at a local accounting firm in Denver but is hoping to return to college soon. Attends an evangelical charismatic church with a mostly younger congregation, took an abstinence pledge in her teens but doesn't follow it and didn't with her last boyfriend, is pro-life but supports gay marriage, uses pot with her friends including some people in her church small group.

Lol! As a former evangelical fundie myself, I can attest that this pretty well shadows countless young females that I've met at church.  The pot-smoking is a bit unlikely, but the abstinence pledge-breaking and dropping out of bible school sounds like pretty typical fare for a 20-something fundie girl nowadays.  Jenny probably isn't into the secular social liberalism/feminism of Democrats, but she also is probably into social justice and left-leaning on fiscal issues.  She's another confused young adult going through a right-of-passage.  If she meets and marries a decent Christian man, she'll evolve into a hallmark-card conservative.  If life continues to be rough, somewhere around 30 she'll go off the deep, stop attending church and become a heinous liberal.  For now, she's a swing voter, but probably leaning Obama this time around.     

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Joe: 33 years old, lives a Seattle suburb, works at a bank. Is not opposed to gay marriage but does not care much about the issue, is vaguely pro-life but considers it a low priority, supports drug legalization but is personally straightedge, reads Ayn Rand and generally adheres to her philosophy. Supported Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012 but was also creeped out by some of the more cult-like supporters. Was engaged last year but ended up breaking it off, is vaguely religious and only attends church on holidays.

Another libertariantard.  Most likely Romney, but may go Libertarian or another RP write-in if Paul gets shafted at the RNC and/or if Romney nominates a Palin-esque moonbat for his running mate and the economy is improving anyways. 
How bad is this post for 100?


Title: Re: How will this white collar person vote?
Post by: billbillerson on May 02, 2012, 09:04:19 AM
This person is me... a little older and on the wrong coast.

Romney.


Title: Re: How will this white collar person vote?
Post by: Kushahontas on May 02, 2012, 09:14:26 AM
Goode


Title: Re: Who would these people vote for?
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on May 02, 2012, 09:21:18 AM
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Jenny: 27 years old, went to a Christian university for two years before dropping out, works as a receptionist at a local accounting firm in Denver but is hoping to return to college soon. Attends an evangelical charismatic church with a mostly younger congregation, took an abstinence pledge in her teens but doesn't follow it and didn't with her last boyfriend, is pro-life but supports gay marriage, uses pot with her friends including some people in her church small group.

Lol! As a former evangelical fundie myself, I can attest that this pretty well shadows countless young females that I've met at church.  The pot-smoking is a bit unlikely, but the abstinence pledge-breaking and dropping out of bible school sounds like pretty typical fare for a 20-something fundie girl nowadays.

I know lots of people like this, and they certainly aren't unlikely to use pot (to put it rather mildly.) I have even been with people who have said grace before passing around weed. But I wouldn't call them "fundies" by any stretch, evangelical and fundie are not the same thing, the support of gay marriage alone would disqualify this.


Title: Re: How will this white collar person vote?
Post by: Torie on May 02, 2012, 10:25:33 AM
I consider my "profile" as kind of a "mess" as a Romney voter. That profile above on the other hand is perfect!  Well done!  LOL.


Title: Re: How will this white collar person vote?
Post by: Pingvin on May 02, 2012, 10:39:23 AM
Romney.


Title: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: mondale84 on May 02, 2012, 10:46:23 AM
Name: Amory Wentworth Blanchefield

Born: April 27, 1978 - Milan, Italy

Location: 730 Park Avenue, NY, NY

Occupation: Private equity

Education: private boarding school, Princeton University '00

Affiliations: SAE, Ivy Club

Religion: Roman Catholic

Net worth: $740 million

Source of wealth: inherited

Political positions:

Abortion: Pro-choice

Guns: Pro-gun

Drug testing for welfare : for it

Same-sex marriage: legal nationwide

Health-care reform: public option


Military: 21st century; restructured to meet new priorities

Medicare/Social Security: Expend M/Phase-in individual accounts over 50 years

Food Stamps: in favor

Illegal immigration: strong borders, but favors Dream Act

Tea Party:  hates it (plebes)

Occupy:  hates it (plebes)

Minimum wage: indexed to CPI

Labor unions: indifferent

Death Penalty: against; for forced de-humanizing unpaid labor

Affirmative action: in favor

Free trade : free trade

Education: will send his children to boarding school, definitely one of the big 10; children to an Ivy

Hobbies: Golf, boar hunting, yatching, wind-surfing

Summering spots: Nantucket, Lake Geneva, Bermuda

Favorite cocktail: Cognac Alexander


Title: Re: How will this 1%er vote?
Post by: opebo on May 02, 2012, 10:51:59 AM
Ugh, off with his head!  But how he would vote.. I think he would be out of the country jet-setting and probably wouldn't get around to it.


Title: Re: How will this 1%er vote?
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on May 02, 2012, 10:52:40 AM
I think he'd vote Dem. He's young and naive enough to fall for the Obama hype.


Title: Re: Who would these people vote for?
Post by: opebo on May 02, 2012, 10:54:12 AM
Steven: 38 years old, lives in Madison, Wisconsin, has a public sector job and belongs to a union. Is divorced, has one child whom he does not have custody of, hires escorts on a regular basis, drinks alcohol almost every night, frequently uses marijuana, is not religious.

Won't vote.

Mike: 23 years old, recent college graduate, now unemployed, just quit his job doing pizza delivery but has a huge trust fund from very affluent parents in the Philly suburbs. Does work at temp agencies to pass the time, lives in Philadelphia, has a girlfriend but is not interested in marriage, spends most of his time going to hardcore and indie rock shows and getting drunk but doesn't do any other drugs, is not religious.

Won't vote, but I also find it very hard to believe he would work at all.

Jenny: 27 years old, went to a Christian university for two years before dropping out, works as a receptionist at a local accounting firm in Denver but is hoping to return to college soon. Attends an evangelical charismatic church with a mostly younger congregation, took an abstinence pledge in her teens but doesn't follow it and didn't with her last boyfriend, is pro-life but supports gay marriage, uses pot with her friends including some people in her church small group.

Won't vote.

Joe: 33 years old, lives a Seattle suburb, works at a bank. Is not opposed to gay marriage but does not care much about the issue, is vaguely pro-life but considers it a low priority, supports drug legalization but is personally straightedge, reads Ayn Rand and generally adheres to her philosophy. Supported Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012 but was also creeped out by some of the more cult-like supporters. Was engaged last year but ended up breaking it off, is vaguely religious and only attends church on holidays.

Will probably vote Mitt Romney.


Title: Re: How will this 1%er vote?
Post by: opebo on May 02, 2012, 10:55:20 AM
I think he'd vote Dem. He's young and naive enough to fall for the Obama hype.

Hype?  The only thing he has to believe is that Obama is better than Romney, which if that is hype its like me putting on a job application that I can spell.


Title: Re: How will this 1%er vote?
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on May 02, 2012, 10:59:17 AM
opebo would he be likely to be in Thailand now?


Title: Re: How will this 1%er vote?
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on May 02, 2012, 11:02:50 AM
Except looking at this guy's profile, it would be in his best interest to vote Republican. If for whatever reason he ignores that and votes for Obama, then yes, I'd say he's buying into the hype.

For example, Warren Buffet is buying into the hype.

What else would you call going against your best interests to vote for the popular celeb?


Title: Re: How will this 1%er vote?
Post by: LastVoter on May 02, 2012, 11:54:50 AM
Except looking at this guy's profile, it would be in his best interest to vote Republican. If for whatever reason he ignores that and votes for Obama, then yes, I'd say he's buying into the hype.

For example, Warren Buffet is buying into the hype.

What else would you call going against your best interests to vote for the popular celeb?
No voting for Obama will not result in the feared guillotine.


Title: Re: How will this 1%er vote?
Post by: cavalcade on May 02, 2012, 12:01:48 PM
Romney.

He'll be a strong Clinton (if she runs) or Cuomo supporter in 2016 though.


Title: Re: How will this 1%er vote?
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on May 02, 2012, 12:06:53 PM
Except looking at this guy's profile, it would be in his best interest to vote Republican. If for whatever reason he ignores that and votes for Obama, then yes, I'd say he's buying into the hype.

For example, Warren Buffet is buying into the hype.

What else would you call going against your best interests to vote for the popular celeb?

I'm glad you admit that Republicans are entirely devoted to serving the interests of the wealthier. At least you are aware of this.

However, it is fairly possible that some wealthy people, such as Buffett, would be ready to sacrifice a tiny bit of their enormous wealth for common interest.


Title: Re: How will this 1%er vote?
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on May 02, 2012, 12:19:47 PM
This 1-percenter is right-wing by litmus test and elitist too. He's for Romney.


Title: Re: How will this 1%er vote?
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on May 02, 2012, 12:20:35 PM
In fact, if I was a political candidate, I would be truly embarrassed to have this man's support.


Title: Re: How will this 1%er vote?
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on May 02, 2012, 12:22:12 PM
Sorry, did I use the word "entirely?" Unlike Barack Obama, Mitt Romney will be a president for all people. Not one who wages a war against the successful just to make it look like he's starting to pay for his reckless expenditures. Nice try.


Title: Re: How will this 1%er vote?
Post by: LastVoter on May 02, 2012, 12:25:54 PM
Sorry, did I use the word "entirely?" Unlike Barack Obama, Mitt Romney will be a president for all people. Not one who wages a war against the successful just to make it look like he's starting to pay for his reckless expenditures. Nice try.
You forgot about the women, the poor, and the not-white.


Title: How will this 99%er vote?
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on May 02, 2012, 12:30:20 PM
How will this 99%er vote?

- Born 1973 in Newport, KY

- Working-class

- Lost a job in 2010

- Pro-Second Amendment

- White male

How would you guess such a person would vote?


Title: Re: How will this 99%er vote?
Post by: King on May 02, 2012, 12:33:13 PM
About a third of them will blame the government for trying to nationalize Medicaid in the name of Allah, but will break 99% will break 54-45 Obama in the end.


Title: Re: How will this 99%er vote?
Post by: CatoMinor on May 02, 2012, 12:34:30 PM
If you are describing yourself, then the only reasonable choices are Rocky Anderson or whoever the greens nominate.


Title: Re: How will this 1%er vote?
Post by: King on May 02, 2012, 12:36:05 PM
Private equity will vote Romney.  Any rich person who became rich off working the system and are on pins-and-needles about losing their wealth to taxes and losing their income to regulation will go Republican.  Legitimate businessmen and innovative entrepreneurs don't worry about such things.


Title: Re: Who would these people vote for?
Post by: politicus on May 02, 2012, 12:50:47 PM
Quote
Jenny: 27 years old, went to a Christian university for two years before dropping out, works as a receptionist at a local accounting firm in Denver but is hoping to return to college soon. Attends an evangelical charismatic church with a mostly younger congregation, took an abstinence pledge in her teens but doesn't follow it and didn't with her last boyfriend, is pro-life but supports gay marriage, uses pot with her friends including some people in her church small group.

Lol! As a former evangelical fundie myself, I can attest that this pretty well shadows countless young females that I've met at church.  The pot-smoking is a bit unlikely, but the abstinence pledge-breaking and dropping out of bible school sounds like pretty typical fare for a 20-something fundie girl nowadays.

I know lots of people like this, and they certainly aren't unlikely to use pot (to put it rather mildly.) I have even been with people who have said grace before passing around weed. But I wouldn't call them "fundies" by any stretch, evangelical and fundie are not the same thing, the support of gay marriage alone would disqualify this.
Me too, Ive even done it myself, cant really see anything wrong with it, weed is after all one of Gods gifts ;)


Title: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on May 02, 2012, 02:37:30 PM
Austin: 39 years old, works as an engineer for a Silicon Valley-based corporation and makes a six-figure salary. Lives with a wife and three young children in an affluent San Jose suburb. Nominally Methodist, but only goes to church on Easter and Christmas.

Linda: 53 years old, lives in rural Ohio but travels due to her job as a truck driver. Is unionized. Divorced with two grown children. A practicing Catholic, but due to her job only attends church about once or twice a month. Is alcoholic and overweight due to diner food, and is beginning to question her sexuality late in life.

Daniel:
23 years old, currently an unemployed artist who lives with his parents in Morristown, New Jersey. He and his family are devoted evangelicals, and Daniel and some of his friends are putting together a local Christan Rock band. Abused drugs for a period of time, and has become even more faithful after rehab went relatively smoothly.

Karen: 40 years old, lives with her husband and two children in Bridgeport, Connecticut. She is a prosecuting attorney, while her husband is a stockbroker who commutes daily to New York and generally takes home several million dollars per year. Raised Episcopalian and believes in a God, but not currently a member of any church.


Title: Re: How about these people?
Post by: cavalcade on May 02, 2012, 03:18:42 PM
Obama, not voting, not voting, Romney.

If Linda and Daniel do vote they'll vote for Romney.


Title: Re: How about these people?
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on May 02, 2012, 03:25:37 PM
The assumption is that they'd all vote, though Daniel especially isn't particularly likely to come out.

I'd say Austin & Linda for Obama, Daniel & Karen for Romney.


Title: Re: Who would these people vote for?
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 02, 2012, 04:04:48 PM
Obama

Obama

Write in: Ron Paul

Write in: Ron Paul



Title: Re: Who would these people vote for?
Post by: Stranger in a strange land on May 02, 2012, 04:34:44 PM
The first three will vote Obama. Joe will vote most likely vote Romney, unless Romney picks a Palin-type VP, in which case he'll vote 3rd party.


Title: Re: How about these people?
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on May 02, 2012, 06:34:04 PM
Karen the 1-percenter is the only Romney backer in this list. The GOP has done something to anger all the other peeps on this list.


Title: Re: Who would these people vote for?
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on May 02, 2012, 06:37:11 PM
No Romney followers on this list.


Title: Re: How will this 1%er vote?
Post by: Linus Van Pelt on May 02, 2012, 08:14:30 PM

Probably will vote to re-elect the incumbent Chief Vitalstatistix despite his disappointment at the recent downturn in the menhir sector.


Title: Re: How will this 1%er vote?
Post by: Indy Texas on May 02, 2012, 08:20:08 PM
Private equity will vote Romney.  Any rich person who became rich off working the system and are on pins-and-needles about losing their wealth to taxes and losing their income to regulation will go Republican.  Legitimate businessmen and innovative entrepreneurs don't worry about such things.

But the post says he inherited his $740M (which makes me think he must be a really sh**tty PE guy if none of his wealth is self-made from that industry).

East Coast old-money types tend to have a sense of noblesse oblige. Think Nelson Rockefeller, George H. W. Bush (and father Prescott Bush), John and Lincoln Chafee, etc.


Title: Re: Who would these people vote for?
Post by: California8429 on May 02, 2012, 08:23:09 PM
Steven - Obama
Mike - Romney
Jenny - Third Party
Joe - Romney


Title: Re: How will this 1%er vote?
Post by: opebo on May 02, 2012, 08:30:50 PM

No, he's rich enough to afford the more expensive countries.  Thailand tends to be popular with middle to upper-middle class tourists.


Title: Re: How about these people?
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on May 02, 2012, 08:44:23 PM
Karen the 1-percenter is the only Romney backer in this list. The GOP has done something to anger all the other peeps on this list.
Well, you're assuming that if Party X pisses you off, then you won't vote for them no matter what, even if they fit your ideology perfectly. I, for one, highly disagree with Obama onthe whole civil liberties thing, but I'm still supporting him.

First 2 for Obama, second 2 for Romney (assuming they all vote).


Title: Re: How about these people?
Post by: rebeltarian on May 02, 2012, 09:30:11 PM
Obama, maybe Obama, Romney, Obama


Title: Re: Who would these people vote for?
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on May 02, 2012, 09:40:18 PM
Quote
Jenny: 27 years old, went to a Christian university for two years before dropping out, works as a receptionist at a local accounting firm in Denver but is hoping to return to college soon. Attends an evangelical charismatic church with a mostly younger congregation, took an abstinence pledge in her teens but doesn't follow it and didn't with her last boyfriend, is pro-life but supports gay marriage, uses pot with her friends including some people in her church small group.

Lol! As a former evangelical fundie myself, I can attest that this pretty well shadows countless young females that I've met at church.  The pot-smoking is a bit unlikely, but the abstinence pledge-breaking and dropping out of bible school sounds like pretty typical fare for a 20-something fundie girl nowadays.

I know lots of people like this, and they certainly aren't unlikely to use pot (to put it rather mildly.) I have even been with people who have said grace before passing around weed. But I wouldn't call them "fundies" by any stretch, evangelical and fundie are not the same thing, the support of gay marriage alone would disqualify this.
Me too, Ive even done it myself, cant really see anything wrong with it, weed is after all one of Gods gifts ;)

In Denmark? I'm just surprised at people in Denmark saying grace at all.

But yeah theologically I agree with this, it's also backed up by Genesis 1:29 and 1 Timothy 4:4.


Title: Re: How will this 1%er vote?
Post by: morgieb on May 02, 2012, 11:10:26 PM
Would've voted Obama in 08, but liberal old-money types will probably vote Romney this time around....


Title: Re: Who would these people vote for?
Post by: izixs on May 03, 2012, 12:24:20 AM
1. Obama if he votes
-Reason being he's explicitly stated as being from Wisconsin and a public service employee. He likely feels like a lot has been taken away from him and so if he feels motivated to vote (questionable), he'll probably vote Obama as the Democrats seem to be the one's fighting the folks that want to take his benefits away.
2. Obama if he votes
-Despite having it all, he's chronically bored, finding his only joys in music and possibly his girl. He's not motivated to use his money as leverage to make more money, so he's probably not to concerned about tax policy and the like and is obviously not a Randian (or other Paulite) for the same reason. Likely places higher importance on social interactions, and thus might be prone to seeing Republicans as being anti-fun due to their social conservatism. Or alternatively, if you go with the lowest common denominator, Obama probably seems more hip. But, also unlikely to vote unless pressured by friends (who would probably be Obama folks anyway).
3. Romney if she votes
-Probably the trickiest of the three. But I think it comes down to her background and low information status. Romney has stated he's pro-life. Romney's from Massachusetts. They have gay marriage there. Therefore, to her Romney supports gay marriage and is also pro-life, just like her. Its amazing! (Yes folks, I've met people who think like this) In 2008 she probably voted Obama (if she voted) as he came off as more of a family man.
4. Romney, will vote
-Due to his disaffection from the Paulites, he'll be casting about for the next best thing. Even more so if the Paulites make a stink at the RNC (is likely on the verge of deciding they're trouble makers and hurt the cause). Is likely pragmatic enough to realize that neither candidate that has a chance of winning is going to do much to change the drug laws, with only a slight edge to Obama there, so has to default to economic issues, which even so would probably dominate their thinking. And given Obama supports the government doing things, while Romney wants the government doing less things, Romney is the obvious option. And his hard core Randian philosophy precludes giving up without a fight, or a clear path for going Gault.


Title: Re: Who would these people vote for?
Post by: Chaddyr23 on May 03, 2012, 02:39:21 AM
This thread's pretty entertaining.

Steven: Liked Paul but backs Obama in general.
Mike: Romney. I know a couple of Mikes and they just want their lower taxes and windfalls.
Jenny: Romney. I know WAY TOO many Jennys. They flip when I call them out on their hypocrisy and often secretly admit to liking Obama but just by default vote instep with their parents.
Joe: Romney.


Title: Re: Who would these people vote for?
Post by: morgieb on May 03, 2012, 07:59:47 AM
All are Republicans except Steve, though the former 2 may not vote.


Title: Re: How about these people?
Post by: morgieb on May 03, 2012, 08:20:38 AM
Austin - as he's on the West Coast, Obama.
Linda - Obama
Daniel - Romney, if he votes.
Karen - Romney, part of the 1%


Title: Re: How about these people?
Post by: tpfkaw on May 03, 2012, 08:23:51 AM
Probably Obama, but good chance of being a Paulite
doesn't vote
doesn't vote
50/50 chance of voting for either


Title: Re: How will this 1%er vote?
Post by: TheGlobalizer on May 03, 2012, 01:38:16 PM
Romney.  Obama could win him but he's not going to be pushing for the votes of dudes like this.


Title: Re: How will this 99%er vote?
Post by: TheGlobalizer on May 03, 2012, 01:43:22 PM
How will this 99%er vote?

- Born 1973 in Newport, KY

- Working-class

- Lost a job in 2010

- Pro-Second Amendment

- White male

How would you guess such a person would vote?

Limited info, but lean Romney.  White, working class, and pro-gun makes Romney the slightly more acceptable candidate.  Both Romney and Obama are conspicuously elite, so I think they'll ultimately go against the relatively unpopular black guy.  In the aggregate, a fairly event split - I'd reverse King's 54-45 to favor Romney.


Title: Re: How will this 99%er vote?
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on May 03, 2012, 01:46:14 PM

Then I happen to know Romney is going to be in for a big disappointment.


Title: Re: How will this 99%er vote?
Post by: TheGlobalizer on May 03, 2012, 01:51:04 PM

Then I happen to know Romney is going to be in for a big disappointment.

Well, you left out a lot of information, like the underpinnings of your -10.00 economic matrix score.

I wasn't answering for you, of course, but the other people who are similarly situated on the items you called out.


Title: Re: How will this 99%er vote?
Post by: Lief 🗽 on May 03, 2012, 01:51:44 PM
White male in his late 30s = Romney.


Title: Re: How will this 1%er vote?
Post by: Simfan34 on May 03, 2012, 03:18:39 PM
Hey, that's my brother-in-law!


Title: Re: How will this 1%er vote?
Post by: politicus on May 03, 2012, 04:24:34 PM
Keep dreaming! ;)


Title: Re: How about these people?
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on May 03, 2012, 04:46:30 PM
Of course, the middle two are less likely to vote.


Title: Re: How will this 1%er vote?
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on May 03, 2012, 05:06:45 PM
Likely Romney.


Title: Re: How about these people?
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on May 03, 2012, 05:08:34 PM
Austin - likely Obama, but possibly Romney
Linda - Obama
Daniel - likely Romney, maybe Goode
Karen - likely Romney


Title: Re: How about these people?
Post by: Torie on May 03, 2012, 05:17:46 PM
Yes, assuming Austin is white rather than Asian, 2 votes for Obama (the two women), and 2 for Mittens is the odds on favorite.


Title: Who would this person vote for?
Post by: Torie on May 03, 2012, 05:23:44 PM
This hypothetical person is gay, atheist, late middle age, "successful" lawyer, Anglo, lives in a suburb, reads a lot on a wide range of topics, has an MBA, supports gun control and gay marriage, thinks public employees are overpaid in general, and is burnt out on US foreign adventures.


Title: Re: Who would this person vote for?
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on May 03, 2012, 05:52:20 PM
Obama.


Title: Re: How about these people?
Post by: Stranger in a strange land on May 03, 2012, 05:56:15 PM
Austin: Obama
Linda: Obama
Daniel: probably won't vote, but if he does he'll vote Romney
Karen: Romney


Title: Re: Who would this person vote for?
Post by: Stranger in a strange land on May 03, 2012, 05:57:18 PM
This person is pretty much the Tea Party's image of a stereotypical Obama voter.


Title: Judge how the following three people will vote based on their music taste
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 03, 2012, 06:24:37 PM
Person 1:

Lil Wayne

Eminem

T.I.

Rick Ross

Wiz Khafia

Jay-Z

Drake


Person 2:

LMFAO

Adele

Rihana


Lady GaGa

Katy Petty

Britney Spears

Person 3:

Oasis

Smashing Pumpkins

The Cure

R.E.M

Pearl Jam

Blind Melon

Nirvana


Person 4:

Mozart

Beethoven

Bach

Choplin




Title: Re: Judge how the following three people will vote based on their music taste
Post by: 5280 on May 03, 2012, 06:30:27 PM
1. Obama
2. Obama
3. Romney
4. Obama


Title: Re: Judge how the following three people will vote based on their music taste
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 03, 2012, 06:46:48 PM
1. Obama

2. If that person votes, Obama

3. Obama

4. Tilt


Title: Re: Judge how the following three people will vote based on their music taste
Post by: LastVoter on May 03, 2012, 06:53:34 PM
Obama
Toss-up(almost certainly white and upper class kid) -- most likely not voting
Romney
Toss-up


Title: Re: Judge how the following three people will vote based on their music taste
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on May 03, 2012, 06:54:37 PM
Obama
Obama
Obama
Obama or won't vote

Seriously, anyone who thinks someone who listens to Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins and Oasis will vote for Romney is nuts.


Title: Re: Judge how the following three people will vote based on their music taste
Post by: Bacon King on May 03, 2012, 06:58:57 PM
This really shouldn't go on the 2012 board. I'm not really sure where it should go, but not here.

Here's what I'll do. This thread, along with the other "how will these hypothetical people vote?" threads, will be merged together into a combined thread where everyone can propose hypothetical people and discuss how they'll vote and why. I might keep it here, might move it to What-if board. But regardless, that's what I'mma do now.


Title: Re: Judge how the following three people will vote based on their music taste
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 03, 2012, 06:59:47 PM
I support the idea, Bacon King.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Bacon King on May 03, 2012, 08:02:01 PM
Threads combined; I guess I'll keep this on the 2012 board for now. Here's all the OP's from each thread, for your convenience:

Name: Jack McKinley Dawson

Born: October 12, 1954

Location: Pittsburgh PA

Occupation: IAFF member

Political views:

Abortion: Pro-Life

Guns: Pro gun

Making drug testing mandatory for welfare: For it

Same sex Marriage: Anti same sex marriage/LGBT rights

Welfare Reform: For it

Health care reform: For it

Military: Wants a strong, build, powerful, military

Medicare/Social Security spending: Thinks the government shouldn't cut entitlements for the elderly/disabled

Food stamps: Against it

Illegal Immigration: Wants to protect the borders

Minimum Wage: Wants to raise the wage price in PA

Labor unions: Obvious yes is obvious

Death Penalty: For the death penalty

 Affirmative  Action: Think the concept is "reverse discrimination".

Free trade: Against outsourcing jobs overseas 

Education: Send his kids to public schools, though he doesn't mind Catholic schools as an alternative

Civil rights: Thinks black men such as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are out to kill the whitey.

 hobbies: Watching football/hockey, listening to classic rock/country music, drinking beer, hanging out with his friends, going to the Catholic Church services

Go forth, real people, and speculate as to the voting habits of these imaginary people:

Jenna - age 21.  Part-time waitress, earns and receives about $13,000/year and pays nothing in tax.  White, comes from a working-class family.  High-school education and is taking classes in Criminal Justice at a local community college.  Receives food stamps and the Earned Income Tax Credit.  Volunteers for her church youth group, has pledged abstinence until marriage.

Sam - age 19.  Private in the US Army, earning about $20,000/year before taxes.  White, comes from a working-class family.  High-school education, joined the army in the hopes of being able to attend college.  Only sometimes goes to church, but when he got his girlfriend pregnant he proposed to her and asked her to keep the baby (she refused and didn't).

Larry - age 66.  Retired autoworker, receiving about $55,000/year before taxes from Social Security and his pension.  White, comes from a middle-class, blue-collar family.  High-school education.  Stopped paying his union dues several years ago, and owns three guns.  Divorced, has 3 children, all of whom are grown, and 2 grandchildren.  Only sometimes goes to church.

Wesley - age 39.  Associate at a law firm, earning about $90,000/year before taxes.  Parents were upper-middle to upper class.  Went to private school, and attended state university for both his undergraduate studies and law school.  Unmarried and without children.  Irreligious.

Arturo - age 44.  Owns a landscaping business, earning about $125,000/year before taxes.  Immigrated from Honduras at age 6, parents were wealthy for Honduras but middle-class in America.  High-school education.  Many of his employees are illegal immigrants, his clients are wealthy McMansion owners.  Married and has 2 children, wants to send both to college.  Very religious and attends church weekly.

David - age 52.  Neurosurgeon, earning about $750,000/year before taxes.  Comes from an upper-middle class family.  Graduated from Columbia and the NYU School of Medicine.  Married, has 2 children in college and a third in private school.  Jewish, attends a Reform synagogue most weeks.
Name: Steven Anderson

Born: June 5, 1973

Location: Los Angeles, CA

Occupation: Janus Mutual Funds (Investor Relations)

Political views:

Abortion: Pro-Life

Guns: Pro gun

Making drug testing mandatory for welfare: Against it

Same sex Marriage: Make same sex legal for US states to decide.

Drugs: Legalize Marijuana, regulate

Welfare Reform: Against it, wants private sector/charities to take over

Health care reform: Privatized

Military: Modern, powerful, small military.

Medicare/Social Security spending: Will spend extra for senior entitlements, make sure they're good.

Food stamps: Against it

Illegal Immigration: Wants to protect the borders

Minimum Wage: Doesn't want them raised

Labor unions: No

Death Penalty: Pro death penalty

Affirmative Action: No

Free trade: Unrestricted free trade

Education: Will send his kids to public school, or private school.  Will do research on public schools based on teachers performance.

Civil rights: Thinks people should have equal rights.

Hobbies: Watching TV golf/gambing, listening to modern rock/smooth jazz, drinking wine or imported beer, hanging out with his close friends, spending time at the country club. Taking kids to Disney World, or other family events. Going to church a few times a year.
Steven: 38 years old, lives in Madison, Wisconsin, has a public sector job and belongs to a union. Is divorced, has one child whom he does not have custody of, hires escorts on a regular basis, drinks alcohol almost every night, frequently uses marijuana, is not religious.

Mike: 23 years old, recent college graduate, now unemployed, just quit his job doing pizza delivery but has a huge trust fund from very affluent parents in the Philly suburbs. Does work at temp agencies to pass the time, lives in Philadelphia, has a girlfriend but is not interested in marriage, spends most of his time going to hardcore and indie rock shows and getting drunk but doesn't do any other drugs, is not religious.

Jenny: 27 years old, went to a Christian university for two years before dropping out, works as a receptionist at a local accounting firm in Denver but is hoping to return to college soon. Attends an evangelical charismatic church with a mostly younger congregation, took an abstinence pledge in her teens but doesn't follow it and didn't with her last boyfriend, is pro-life but supports gay marriage, uses pot with her friends including some people in her church small group.

Joe: 33 years old, lives a Seattle suburb, works at a bank. Is not opposed to gay marriage but does not care much about the issue, is vaguely pro-life but considers it a low priority, supports drug legalization but is personally straightedge, reads Ayn Rand and generally adheres to her philosophy. Supported Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012 but was also creeped out by some of the more cult-like supporters. Was engaged last year but ended up breaking it off, is vaguely religious and only attends church on holidays.
Name: Amory Wentworth Blanchefield

Born: April 27, 1978 - Milan, Italy

Location: 730 Park Avenue, NY, NY

Occupation: Private equity

Education: private boarding school, Princeton University '00

Affiliations: SAE, Ivy Club

Religion: Roman Catholic

Net worth: $740 million

Source of wealth: inherited

Political positions:

Abortion: Pro-choice

Guns: Pro-gun

Drug testing for welfare : for it

Same-sex marriage: legal nationwide

Health-care reform: public option


Military: 21st century; restructured to meet new priorities

Medicare/Social Security: Expend M/Phase-in individual accounts over 50 years

Food Stamps: in favor

Illegal immigration: strong borders, but favors Dream Act

Tea Party:  hates it (plebes)

Occupy:  hates it (plebes)

Minimum wage: indexed to CPI

Labor unions: indifferent

Death Penalty: against; for forced de-humanizing unpaid labor

Affirmative action: in favor

Free trade : free trade

Education: will send his children to boarding school, definitely one of the big 10; children to an Ivy

Hobbies: Golf, boar hunting, yatching, wind-surfing

Summering spots: Nantucket, Lake Geneva, Bermuda

Favorite cocktail: Cognac Alexander
How will this 99%er vote?

- Born 1973 in Newport, KY

- Working-class

- Lost a job in 2010

- Pro-Second Amendment

- White male

How would you guess such a person would vote?
Austin: 39 years old, works as an engineer for a Silicon Valley-based corporation and makes a six-figure salary. Lives with a wife and three young children in an affluent San Jose suburb. Nominally Methodist, but only goes to church on Easter and Christmas.

Linda: 53 years old, lives in rural Ohio but travels due to her job as a truck driver. Is unionized. Divorced with two grown children. A practicing Catholic, but due to her job only attends church about once or twice a month. Is alcoholic and overweight due to diner food, and is beginning to question her sexuality late in life.

Daniel:
23 years old, currently an unemployed artist who lives with his parents in Morristown, New Jersey. He and his family are devoted evangelicals, and Daniel and some of his friends are putting together a local Christan Rock band. Abused drugs for a period of time, and has become even more faithful after rehab went relatively smoothly.

Karen: 40 years old, lives with her husband and two children in Bridgeport, Connecticut. She is a prosecuting attorney, while her husband is a stockbroker who commutes daily to New York and generally takes home several million dollars per year. Raised Episcopalian and believes in a God, but not currently a member of any church.
This hypothetical person is gay, atheist, late middle age, "successful" lawyer, Anglo, lives in a suburb, reads a lot on a wide range of topics, has an MBA, supports gun control and gay marriage, thinks public employees are overpaid in general, and is burnt out on US foreign adventures.
Person 1:

Lil Wayne

Eminem

T.I.

Rick Ross

Wiz Khafia

Jay-Z

Drake


Person 2:

LMFAO

Adele

Rihana


Lady GaGa

Katy Petty

Britney Spears

Person 3:

Oasis

Smashing Pumpkins

The Cure

R.E.M

Pearl Jam

Blind Melon

Nirvana


Person 4:

Mozart

Beethoven

Bach

Choplin





Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on May 03, 2012, 10:24:38 PM
All of those four are likely Obama except the second person who probably doesn't vote.

How about:

Person 5:

Jawbreaker
Fugazi
Rites of Spring
Lifetime
Nation of Ulysses
Born Against
Mineral
Sunny Day Real Estate

Person 6:

Slayer
Emperor
Cannibal Corpse
Dimmu Borgir
Mayhem
Morbid Angel
Deicide


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on May 03, 2012, 10:26:56 PM
Can this thread not be in the 2012 U.S. Presidential Election board? :/


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: morgieb on May 03, 2012, 11:18:20 PM
wormyguy's:

Jenna - depends where she lives, probably Romney as she wasn't in the workforce around Bush.
Sam - Romney, though it depends where he lives.
Larry - most likely Romney.
Wesley - probably Obama.
Arturo - could go either way.
David - Obama.

Torie's one votes Obama.

Vermin Surpreme's:

Person 1 - hip-hop fan, probably black, votes Obama.
Person 2 - pop fan, too young to vote but hypothetically votes Obama.
Person 3 - depends on his age, but probably lean Obama.
Person 4 - arty person....stereotypical Obama supporter.
Person 5 - could be OWS people or Paulites. Hard to say.
Person 6 - metal fans sound like the stereotypical Ron Paul supporter...so reluctantly Romney if they vote.


Title: Re: Judge how the following three people will vote based on their music taste
Post by: Nichlemn on May 04, 2012, 04:44:14 AM
Obama
Obama
Obama
Obama or won't vote

Seriously, anyone who thinks someone who listens to Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins and Oasis will vote for Romney is nuts.

Mainstream Gen-X = lean Romney.

What musical demographics is Romney winning then? It's not going to be just "conservative" music, given how most musicians are liberal.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 04, 2012, 04:53:07 AM
Person 5: Either Obama voters or Paulites

Person 6: Gary johnson


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 04, 2012, 03:23:04 PM
Any more hypothesis on the music fans in my post and BRTD's post?


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: © tweed on May 04, 2012, 03:56:44 PM
Francesco: 98, late stage alcoholic.  knew Antonio Gramsci in the 1920s but soon became a Mussolini supporter.  escaped from Stalinists and made it to the USA in 1944.  he lived here illegally working low-wage and shadow economy jobs until the 1986 Reagan immigration reform allowed him to apply for amnesty, for which he is eternally grateful.  since then he has voted Bush, Perot, Clinton, Bush, Bush, and Obama.  he didn't work enough time on the books to draw SS benefits so he lives in abject poverty, but always makes sure to vote and buy cheap red wine.  pro-life, anti-gay marriage as a Roman Catholic.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Simfan34 on May 04, 2012, 06:47:22 PM
Francesco: 98, late stage alcoholic.  knew Antonio Gramsci in the 1920s but soon became a Mussolini supporter.  escaped from Stalinists and made it to the USA in 1944.  he lived here illegally working low-wage and shadow economy jobs until the 1986 Reagan immigration reform allowed him to apply for amnesty, for which he is eternally grateful.  since then he has voted Bush, Perot, Clinton, Bush, Bush, and Obama.  he didn't work enough time on the books to draw SS benefits so he lives in abject poverty, but always makes sure to vote and buy cheap red wine.  pro-life, anti-gay marriage as a Roman Catholic.

Romney.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 04, 2012, 07:01:22 PM
Francesco: 98, late stage alcoholic.  knew Antonio Gramsci in the 1920s but soon became a Mussolini supporter.  escaped from Stalinists and made it to the USA in 1944.  he lived here illegally working low-wage and shadow economy jobs until the 1986 Reagan immigration reform allowed him to apply for amnesty, for which he is eternally grateful.  since then he has voted Bush, Perot, Clinton, Bush, Bush, and Obama.  he didn't work enough time on the books to draw SS benefits so he lives in abject poverty, but always makes sure to vote and buy cheap red wine.  pro-life, anti-gay marriage as a Roman Catholic.

Romney.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: morgieb on May 04, 2012, 11:38:33 PM
Yeah, anti-communist immigrants are probably more likely to be Republican backers, so Romney.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: morgieb on May 04, 2012, 11:55:59 PM
New person:

Todd, aged 43. Lives in the Bay Area, however grew up in rural California. Parents run a farm. He earns $125,000 per annum in market research. Likes more obscure alternative rock bands. Plays golf on weekends. Married 3 times, and has no kids. Not religious.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: LastVoter on May 05, 2012, 12:02:24 AM
Person 7: My daughter, Adelaide, if she was 19.
Safe Green party.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Lief 🗽 on May 05, 2012, 01:02:09 AM
New person:

Todd, aged 43. Lives in the Bay Area, however grew up in rural California. Parents run a farm. He earns $125,000 per annum in market research. Likes more obscure alternative rock bands. Plays golf on weekends. Married 3 times, and has no kids. Not religious.

Obama, obviously.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on May 05, 2012, 01:32:25 AM
I was thinking Obama too, but I also wonder what is the profile of the people in the Bay Area who actually are Republicans.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: morgieb on May 05, 2012, 02:54:38 AM
Oh, and something else - he was a veteran in the Gulf War, as his marks weren't good enough to attend uni right away. However, after his time in the navy, he attended Stanford University.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: morgieb on May 05, 2012, 02:56:10 AM
I was thinking Obama too, but I also wonder what is the profile of the people in the Bay Area who actually are Republicans.
1%ers most likely.

I'm not gonna give too much away, people are semi-correct on his political allegiance.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 05, 2012, 01:21:11 PM
If he's voting social issues, Obama. On economic issues, Romney will be his choice. The definition of a swing voter here.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 06, 2012, 11:11:36 AM
Person 7: My daughter, Adelaide, if she was 19.


Obama


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on May 06, 2012, 01:04:56 PM
How about these real life people?

-A girl I saw a couple rows in front of me at church who was holding her arms out to the side the entire time during worship if not raising them in the air. Was wearing a blank shirt, jeans and had one of those club bracelets I made a poll about elsewhere still on, and seemed to be in tears by the closing prayer.
-A group of olds I saw leaving a church near me when I was driving back which is one of the most liberal ones in the city that is actively campaigning against banning gay marriage. All of the olds were very dressed up, with all the men wearing suits and ties and the women wearing fancy dresses.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Adam Griffin on May 06, 2012, 06:23:09 PM
I've got NGP/VAN access for my county. Does anybody want some actual people profiles (with the names changed, obviously)? I've got a wide array of flavors, including Neoliberal, Dixiecrat, Teabagger and much, much more!


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: morgieb on May 06, 2012, 11:00:16 PM
How about these real life people?

-A girl I saw a couple rows in front of me at church who was holding her arms out to the side the entire time during worship if not raising them in the air. Was wearing a blank shirt, jeans and had one of those club bracelets I made a poll about elsewhere still on, and seemed to be in tears by the closing prayer.
-A group of olds I saw leaving a church near me when I was driving back which is one of the most liberal ones in the city that is actively campaigning against banning gay marriage. All of the olds were very dressed up, with all the men wearing suits and ties and the women wearing fancy dresses.

They're both Republicans I assume.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: All Along The Watchtower on May 06, 2012, 11:06:35 PM
How about

-A poor black woman who voted for Hillary in the 2008 Primary and McCain in the general.


Yeah, I met someone who fit that description.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: morgieb on May 06, 2012, 11:54:23 PM
How about

-A poor black woman who voted for Hillary in the 2008 Primary and McCain in the general.


Yeah, I met someone who fit that description.

Serious?

I'm not sure in that case....probably a toss-up.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 07, 2012, 04:38:57 AM
How about

-A poor black woman who voted for Hillary in the 2008 Primary and McCain in the general.


Yeah, I met someone who fit that description.


The most important question to solve this question, does this poor black women approve of Barack Obama? If she says approve, she votes for Obama. Disapproval of Obama, she'd definitely go Romney in the GE.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Simfan34 on May 07, 2012, 10:13:06 AM
-62, black, registered Democrat, college professor, African immigrant, voted Obama in 2008 but is a very very strong supporter of Chris Christie, especially his spending cuts.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: sentinel on May 07, 2012, 03:24:55 PM
-62, black, registered Democrat, college professor, African immigrant, voted Obama in 2008 but is a very very strong supporter of Chris Christie, especially his spending cuts.

Votes for Obama, later votes for Christie for President.

Next hypothetical person: White male, 47 years old, but very dirty from living in the woods for the past 30 years. He is registered to vote and has a state ID that is not expired. This man has zero income, kills everything he eats with his own hands, and knows nothing about the world outside of the woods. On election day he wanders into the voting booth and votes for one of these two candidates. Who does he vote for?


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Simfan34 on May 07, 2012, 05:16:37 PM
Democratic. Is this just working like this now?

sirnick- that person would be my dad.

64, black and asian, worth $100 million, not tiger woods, president of NRA and NARAL


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: All Along The Watchtower on May 10, 2012, 11:15:06 AM
Democratic. Is this just working like this now?

sirnick- that person would be my dad.

64, black and asian, worth $100 million, not tiger woods, president of NRA and NARAL

Romney.

Next: 32, Presbyterian, white male, works at an IT company in Dallas, TX, makes $62,000 a year, married without children, attends church roughly once a month.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 10, 2012, 08:15:15 PM
Romney

Next: movie fans


Movie fan 1

Transformers

The Fast and Furious

Total Recall

First Blood

Die Hard

Iron Man

Crank

Full Metal Jacket

Movie fan 2:

Twilight

Love Actually

Titanic

Bridesmaids

The Notebook

New Years Eve

Pearl Harbor

Movie fan 3:


Step Brothers

Donnie Darko

Pulp Fiction

Brick

Star Trek 2: Wrath of Khan

Kill Bill


Movie fan 4:

Goodfellas

Friday

The Departed

Casino

Boyz in the Hood

Scarface

8 Mile









Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on May 11, 2012, 01:16:57 AM
Democratic. Is this just working like this now?

sirnick- that person would be my dad.

64, black and asian, worth $100 million, not tiger woods, president of NRA and NARAL

Romney.

Next: 32, Presbyterian, white male, works at an IT company in Dallas, TX, makes $62,000 a year, married without children, attends church roughly once a month.

In Dallas he'd be for Romney. If he was on one of the coasts likely Obama.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Pingvin on May 11, 2012, 10:27:22 AM
Pete, 32 - finished only 4 grades of elementary school, worked as butcher but accidentaly chopped off his penis. Fears eating cheese in cinema. Parents immigrated from Transylvania.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 11, 2012, 01:55:14 PM
Pete, 32 - finished only 4 grades of elementary school, worked as butcher but accidentaly chopped off his penis. Fears eating cheese in cinema. Parents immigrated from Transylvania.

Undecided.

Can someone give hints at my question of movie fans before someone skips over me again>

Romney

Next: movie fans


Movie fan 1

Transformers

The Fast and Furious

Total Recall

First Blood

Die Hard

Iron Man

Crank

Full Metal Jacket

Movie fan 2:

Twilight

Love Actually

Titanic

Bridesmaids

The Notebook

New Years Eve

Pearl Harbor

Movie fan 3:


Step Brothers

Donnie Darko

Pulp Fiction

Brick

Star Trek 2: Wrath of Khan

Kill Bill


Movie fan 4:

Goodfellas

Friday

The Departed

Casino

Boyz in the Hood

Scarface

8 Mile










Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: morgieb on May 12, 2012, 10:28:09 PM
A lot of your ones are kinda hard to say. I think Person 2 is in the Obama camp assuming they vote, but the other 3 are kinda tricky.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 13, 2012, 10:02:07 AM
A lot of your ones are kinda hard to say. I think Person 2 is in the Obama camp assuming they vote, but the other 3 are kinda tricky.

Person one seems like a Romney supporter and person three is more likely supporting Obama. Person 4  I would agree is kinda hard to say.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: All Along The Watchtower on May 15, 2012, 04:23:45 PM
Bump.

Hypothetical Voter
Name: George Thomson
Age: 43
Race: White
Sex: Male
Place of birth: San Jose, California
Place of current residence: Centennial, Colorado
Education: BS in Mechanical Engineering from San Jose State University
Occupation: Mechanical Engineer
Personal Income: $125,000
Family: Wife (42) is a Sales Representative (personal income: $70,000). They have two children, aged 13 and 11, both enrolled in public middle school.
Total Household/Family Income: $195,000
Religion: United Methodist





Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on May 15, 2012, 07:15:18 PM
Romney.

I'll give it a whirl.

Name: Antonio Martinez
Age: 38
Race: Hispanic
Sex: Male
Place of birth: Mexico City, Mexico
Place of residence: Little Rock, AR
Education: BS in Economics, University of Arkansas
Occupation: Middle school math teacher
Personal Income: $44,000 per year
Family: Wife (35) is a bank teller (personal income: $24,000 per year) one child, a 4 year old daughter.
Total family income: $68,000 per year.
Religion: Catholic

Votes Republican in statewide races, voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004, voted for Obama in 2008.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: TJ in Oregon on May 15, 2012, 07:16:49 PM
If he lives in Arkansas of all places and votes for Republicans at the state level it's tough to imagine him voting for Obama.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on May 15, 2012, 07:19:43 PM
If he lives in Arkansas of all places and votes for Republicans at the state level it's tough to imagine him voting for Obama.

But he's a hispanic teacher.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 15, 2012, 07:22:11 PM
No one wants to guess on any of my movie fans of who they'll vote for bases on their movie taste?


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on May 15, 2012, 07:34:09 PM
Movie fan 1

Transformers

The Fast and Furious

Total Recall

First Blood

Die Hard

Iron Man

Crank

Full Metal Jacket

Movie fan 2:

Twilight

Love Actually

Titanic

Bridesmaids

The Notebook

New Years Eve

Pearl Harbor

Movie fan 3:

Step Brothers

Donnie Darko

Pulp Fiction

Brick

Star Trek 2: Wrath of Khan

Kill Bill

Movie fan 4:

Goodfellas

Friday

The Departed

Casino

Boyz in the Hood

Scarface

8 Mile

All Obama except maybe movie fan 4, who may go Romney.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 15, 2012, 08:11:18 PM
What makes yo think movie fan 1 would go for Obama considering the demographics for action movies. Movie fan 4 is going to be more likely to cast his ballot for Obama then movie fan 1, who seems like typical macho white guy movie taste.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on May 15, 2012, 08:16:18 PM
What makes yo think movie fan 1 would go for Obama considering the demographics for action movies. Movie fan 4 is going to be more likely to cast his ballot for Obama then movie fan 1, who seems like typical macho white guy movie taste.

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The spitting image of action


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: All Along The Watchtower on May 16, 2012, 04:36:09 PM
Hypothetical Voter:

Name: Jason McDonald
Age: 35
Race: White
Sex: Male
Place of birth: Davenport, Iowa
Place of residence: Moline, Illinois
Education: 1 year of study at University of Illinois-Champaign
Occupation: Supervisor at Wal-Mart, part-time musician (drums)
Income: $28,000/year
Family: Single, no children
Religion: Presbyterian, though rarely goes to church
Prior votes: Clinton (1996), no vote (2000), Bush (2004), Obama (2008)


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on May 16, 2012, 04:44:15 PM
likely Obama.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 16, 2012, 06:35:14 PM
Obama





Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: All Along The Watchtower on May 17, 2012, 09:19:59 PM
Hypothetical Voter:
Name: Richard Pulaski
Age: 56
Race: White
Sex: Male
Place of birth: Tewksbury, Massachusetts
Place of residence: Hempstead, Long Island
Education: BS in Aeronautical Engineering, University of Massachusetts-Lowell
Occupation: American Airlines Pilot
Personal Income: $170,000/year
Family: Wife (55) is a public high school teacher (personal income: $67,000/year),three children (30, 27, 25) none living at home
Household/family income: $237,000/year
Religion: Catholic





Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on May 18, 2012, 07:59:40 AM
Overly-unneeded analysis of a hypothetical voter.

Obama.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on May 18, 2012, 08:10:47 AM
Ryan: 53 years old, works in a shipyard in South Boston. Unionized, practicing Catholic, married with one grown child in college and one in high school. Recovering alcoholic, but has begun to have a beer again once in a while. Pro-life, undecided on same-sex marriage (used to strongly oppose it). Approved of Romney as governor and voted for him in 2002, but by  2006 somewhat disapproved of him.

Isaac: 68 years old, lives in Long Island and commutes to Wall Street. Jewish, multi-millionare investment banker. Divorced twice. Socially tolerant/liberal (has a gay son), but very hawkish and pro-Israel (but leans towards exiting Afghanistan in 2014). Fiscally moderate; opposes Dodd-Frank but supports reinstating Glass-Steagall, supports Social Security reform but also supports universal health care.

Allison: 38 years old, lives in Anaheim, California, works as a manager of a local Target. Half white and half Vietnamese; her father was a Vietnam veteran who brought a wife from South Vietnam. Speaks fluent English and Vietnamese. Married with two young children. Former Catholic, now a member of a Methodist church.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on May 18, 2012, 08:14:06 AM
Ryan: 53 years old, works in a shipyard in South Boston. Unionized, practicing Catholic, married with one grown child in college and one in high school. Recovering alcoholic, but has begun to have a beer again once in a while. Pro-life, undecided on same-sex marriage (used to strongly oppose it). Approved of Romney as governor and voted for him in 2002, but by  2006 somewhat disapproved of him.

Maybe Romney, possibly Virgil Goode.

Isaac: 68 years old, lives in Long Island and commutes to Wall Street. Jewish, multi-millionare investment banker. Divorced twice. Socially tolerant/liberal (has a gay son), but very hawkish and pro-Israel (but leans towards exiting Afghanistan in 2014). Fiscally moderate; opposes Dodd-Frank but supports reinstating Glass-Steagall, supports Social Security reform but also supports universal health care.

Rocky Anderson.

Allison: 38 years old, lives in Anaheim, California, works as a manager of a local Target. Half white and half Vietnamese; her father was a Vietnam veteran who brought a wife from South Vietnam. Married with two young children. Former Catholic, now a member of a Methodist church.

Maybe Romney? Depends on her stance on war in general. Considering her father is a veteran, she may have witnessed firsthand his possible PTSD.

I'm gonna say Obama.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on May 18, 2012, 08:37:39 AM
Overly-unneeded analysis of a hypothetical voter.

Obama.

As opposed to just shouting out a name?

Sorry, I know reading is hard for some people. Just sound it out, next time.

Was 5 paragraphs necessary though? I could understand a few sentences, but that's over-analysis.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on May 18, 2012, 09:10:06 AM
I never crowned myself chief of anything. I also never said that you analysis was bad, it was rather interesting, but I just found it strange that you used that much analysis. My apologies.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thr
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 18, 2012, 09:19:24 AM
Ryan: 53 years old, works in a shipyard in South Boston. Unionized, practicing Catholic, married with one grown child in college and one in high school. Recovering alcoholic, but has begun to have a beer again once in a while. Pro-life, undecided on same-sex marriage (used to strongly oppose it). Approved of Romney as governor and voted for him in 2002, but by  2006 somewhat disapproved of him.

Isaac: 68 years old, lives in Long Island and commutes to Wall Street. Jewish, multi-millionare investment banker. Divorced twice. Socially tolerant/liberal (has a gay son), but very hawkish and pro-Israel (but leans towards exiting Afghanistan in 2014). Fiscally moderate; opposes Dodd-Frank but supports reinstating Glass-Steagall, supports Social Security reform but also supports universal health care.

Allison: 38 years old, lives in Anaheim, California, works as a manager of a local Target. Half white and half Vietnamese; her father was a Vietnam veteran who brought a wife from South Vietnam. Speaks fluent English and Vietnamese. Married with two young children. Former Catholic, now a member of a Methodist church.

Romney

Obama

Lean Romney voter because she's half Vietnamese


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: All Along The Watchtower on May 18, 2012, 11:41:08 AM
Hypothetical Voter:
Name: Julia Wallace
Age: 40
Race: White
Sex: Female
Place of birth: Plano, Texas
Place of residence: Cedar Park, Texas
Education: BA in Communications, University of Texas-Austin
Occupation: Human Resources Specialist
Personal Income: $42,000/year
Family: Husband (40) is a Marketing Manager (Personal Income: $70,000/year), 2 children (ages 9 and 7)
Household/Family income: $102,000/year
Religion: United Methodist


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Bacon King on May 18, 2012, 12:52:11 PM
Overly-unneeded analysis of a hypothetical voter.

Obama.

At the bottom of the main board is a place where we've all collectively made over 350,000 posts arguing over the leadership of an imaginary country. I don't think anyone on this forum has the right to accuse anyone else of making unneeded posts. :P


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on May 18, 2012, 02:09:53 PM

I mostly agree with Ryan's analysis, but if it matters, Isaac is Jewish and Allison is Vietnamese (IIRC they're more Republican)


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on May 18, 2012, 03:01:42 PM
I never crowned myself chief of anything. I also never said that you analysis was bad, it was rather interesting, but I just found it strange that you used that much analysis. My apologies.

So my analysis was both "rather interesting," and "overly-unneeded."? Umm, okay. Thanks, I guess.

Doing more work than one needs to do isn't inherently a bad thing.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 18, 2012, 06:10:47 PM
Julia Wallace-Romney



Name: John M. Kennedy
Age: 45
Race: White
Sex: Male
Place of birth: Manchester New Hampshire
Place of residence: St Paul Minnesota
Education: BA in Special Education, University of California
Occupation: Special Education teacher in History
Personal Income: $75,000/year
Family: Son(16), spouse died when the son was 2 years old.
Religion: Atheist

Voting Record: Michael Dukakis 1988, Bill Clinton 1992 and 1996, Ralph Nader 2000, John Kerry 2004, Barack Obama 2008. Primaries: Paul Simon in 1988, Jerry Brown in 1992, Bill Bradley in 2000, Howard Dean in 2004 but was thinking about voting Dennis Kucinich in 2004, Mike Gravel earlier in 2007 but then switch his support to Dennis Kucinich later on. Voted for Paul Wellstone in 1990/1996, Dean Barkley in 1994, Mark Dayton in 2000, Walter Mondale in 2002,  Amy Klobuchar in 2006, Al Franken in 2008. Voted straight Dem in governor races except in 1998 when he cast his vote for Jesse Ventura.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 18, 2012, 06:54:21 PM
Julia Wallace-Romney



Name: John M. Kennedy
Age: 45
Race: White
Sex: Male
Place of birth: Manchester New Hampshire
Place of residence: St Paul Minnesota
Education: BA in Special Education, University of California
Occupation: Special Education teacher in History
Personal Income: $75,000/year
Family: Son(16), spouse died when the son was 2 years old.
Religion: Atheist

Voting Record: Michael Dukakis 1988, Bill Clinton 1992 and 1996, Ralph Nader 2000, John Kerry 2004, Barack Obama 2008. Primaries: Paul Simon in 1988, Jerry Brown in 1992, Bill Bradley in 2000, Howard Dean in 2004 but was thinking about voting Dennis Kucinich in 2004, Mike Gravel earlier in 2007 but then switch his support to Dennis Kucinich later on. Voted for Paul Wellstone in 1990/1996, Dean Barkley in 1994, Mark Dayton in 2000, Walter Mondale in 2002,  Amy Klobuchar in 2006, Al Franken in 2008. Voted straight Dem in governor races except in 1998 when he cast his vote for Jesse Ventura.

Uhh, yeah, don't think this one needs any exit poll analysis. She's voted Democrat in every election she's ever voted in (except 1 vote 14 years ago). Don't see how she could be anything but an Obama voter in '12.


You mean him and not her.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: morgieb on May 18, 2012, 07:20:41 PM
Ryan: 53 years old, works in a shipyard in South Boston. Unionized, practicing Catholic, married with one grown child in college and one in high school. Recovering alcoholic, but has begun to have a beer again once in a while. Pro-life, undecided on same-sex marriage (used to strongly oppose it). Approved of Romney as governor and voted for him in 2002, but by  2006 somewhat disapproved of him.


Isaac: 68 years old, lives in Long Island and commutes to Wall Street. Jewish, multi-millionare investment banker. Divorced twice. Socially tolerant/liberal (has a gay son), but very hawkish and pro-Israel (but leans towards exiting Afghanistan in 2014). Fiscally moderate; opposes Dodd-Frank but supports reinstating Glass-Steagall, supports Social Security reform but also supports universal health care.

Allison: 38 years old, lives in Anaheim, California, works as a manager of a local Target. Half white and half Vietnamese; her father was a Vietnam veteran who brought a wife from South Vietnam. Speaks fluent English and Vietnamese. Married with two young children. Former Catholic, now a member of a Methodist church.

All three of these lean Democrat.

Hypothetical Voter:
Name: Julia Wallace
Age: 40
Race: White
Sex: Female
Place of birth: Plano, Texas
Place of residence: Cedar Park, Texas
Education: BA in Communications, University of Texas-Austin
Occupation: Human Resources Specialist
Personal Income: $42,000/year
Family: Husband (40) is a Marketing Manager (Personal Income: $70,000/year), 2 children (ages 9 and 7)
Household/Family income: $102,000/year
Religion: United Methodist

Probably a Romney supporter.

Julia Wallace-Romney



Name: John M. Kennedy
Age: 45
Race: White
Sex: Male
Place of birth: Manchester New Hampshire
Place of residence: St Paul Minnesota
Education: BA in Special Education, University of California
Occupation: Special Education teacher in History
Personal Income: $75,000/year
Family: Son(16), spouse died when the son was 2 years old.
Religion: Atheist

Voting Record: Michael Dukakis 1988, Bill Clinton 1992 and 1996, Ralph Nader 2000, John Kerry 2004, Barack Obama 2008. Primaries: Paul Simon in 1988, Jerry Brown in 1992, Bill Bradley in 2000, Howard Dean in 2004 but was thinking about voting Dennis Kucinich in 2004, Mike Gravel earlier in 2007 but then switch his support to Dennis Kucinich later on. Voted for Paul Wellstone in 1990/1996, Dean Barkley in 1994, Mark Dayton in 2000, Walter Mondale in 2002,  Amy Klobuchar in 2006, Al Franken in 2008. Voted straight Dem in governor races except in 1998 when he cast his vote for Jesse Ventura.

Yeah...Obama obviously.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on May 18, 2012, 09:05:52 PM
John M. Kennedy - Obama, pretty safely.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 19, 2012, 08:43:36 AM
John M. Kennedy - Obama, pretty safely.


He could vote for third party candidate since he hates Obama stances on issues such as the Patriot Axt and his foreign policy.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on May 19, 2012, 09:24:10 AM
John M. Kennedy - Obama, pretty safely.

He could vote for third party candidate since he hates Obama stances on issues such as the Patriot Axt and his foreign policy.

Perhaps Rocky Anderson.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on May 19, 2012, 01:04:17 PM
Is that you or your father? :P

But tilt Obama if he does vote.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on May 19, 2012, 01:35:57 PM
Hmm...that's tough. I'd probably say lean Obama, but it depends on his views.



Name: Klaus Schulze
Age: 49
Race: White
Sex: Male
Place of Birth: Cologne, Germany
Place of residence: Duluth, Minnesota
Occupation: Flower shop manager
Personal income: $36,000/year
Family: Divorced; son Andrew (20) attends University of Iowa.
Religion: Catholic, non-practicing.
Past votes: Bush (2000), didn't vote (2004), Nader (2008)

Views:

Fiscally center-right, social conservative, believes we should only intervene militarily for humanitarian purposes.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: All Along The Watchtower on May 19, 2012, 03:01:23 PM
Hypothetical Voter:
Name: John Stevens
Age: 73
Race: White
Sex: Male
Place of birth: Akron, Ohio
Place of residence: Phoenix, Arizona
Education: High school graduate
Occupation: Retired car dealership manager
Personal income: $23,000/year
Family: Wife (70) is a retired customer service representative (personal income: $16,000/year), 6 children (ages 47, 45, 44, 42, 40, and 37), none living at home
Household/family income: $39,000/year
Religion: Catholic
Past votes: 1960-Kennedy, 1964-Johnson, 1968-Humphrey, 1972-Nixon, 1976-Carter, 1980-Reagan, 1984-Reagan, 1988-Bush, 1992-Clinton, 1996-Clinton, 2000-Bush, 2004-Bush, 2008-McCain


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on May 19, 2012, 03:27:38 PM
Romney.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: EmersonAdams on May 19, 2012, 03:35:57 PM
Hypothetical Voter:
Name: John Stevens
Age: 73
Race: White
Sex: Male
Place of birth: Akron, Ohio
Place of residence: Phoenix, Arizona
Education: High school graduate
Occupation: Retired car dealership manager
Personal income: $23,000/year
Family: Wife (70) is a retired customer service representative (personal income: $16,000/year), 6 children (ages 47, 45, 44, 42, 40, and 37), none living at home
Household/family income: $39,000/year
Religion: Catholic
Past votes: 1960-Kennedy, 1964-Johnson, 1968-Humphrey, 1972-Nixon, 1976-Carter, 1980-Reagan, 1984-Reagan, 1988-Bush, 1992-Clinton, 1996-Clinton, 2000-Bush, 2004-Bush, 2008-McCain

More than likely, this man will vote for Romney. If he has voted Republican in three elections, Obama's four years in office probably wouldn't be enough to sway his vote. If he is catholic, and especially an older catholic, he is probably strongly opposed to the Obama administration's new rules on contraception access. The only thing that might sway him is the Ryan budget, which will drastically restructure many federal safety nets (i.e. medicare vouchers). If Ryan becomes Romney's running mate, there is a good chance he may vote Obama, but barring that I think he's a solid Romney voter.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on May 19, 2012, 10:22:17 PM
Hypothetical Voter:

Name: John Caceres (legally Juan Cáceres)
Age: 47
Race: White Hispanic
Sex: Male
Place of birth: Havana, Cuba
Place of residence: Maywood, New Jersey
Education: 4-year college graduate
Occupation: Engineer for AT&T
Personal income: $120,000/year
Family: Wife (45) is a homemaker, 2 children (16 & 17)
Household/family income: $120,000/year
Religion: Catholic (lapsed, basically agnostic)


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on May 20, 2012, 08:54:08 AM
Hypothetical Voter:

Name: John Caceres (legally Juan Cáceres)
Age: 47
Race: White Hispanic
Sex: Male
Place of birth: Havana, Cuba
Place of residence: Maywood, New Jersey
Education: 4-year college graduate
Occupation: Engineer for AT&T
Personal income: $120,000/year
Family: Wife (45) is a homemaker, 2 children (16 & 17)
Household/family income: $120,000/year
Religion: Catholic (lapsed, basically agnostic)

Is this your dad? :P


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 20, 2012, 03:45:53 PM
People with the following ITunes list of the following artists.


Person 1:


Michael Jackson

Poison

Bruce Springston

Motley Crue

John Melloncamp

Cyndi Lauper

Duran Duran

Madonna

Warrant

Run DMC

Huey Lewis




Person 2 ITunes playlist:


Atmosphere

N.W.A

Dr Dre

Eminem

James Brown

Rage against the Machine

Incubus

Spoon

Black Keys

Public Emeny

System of a Down

Rise Against

MGMT

Nirvana

Immortal Technique

Most Def

Wu Tang Clan

The Pixies

Radiohead

Foo Fighters

Pink Floyd


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on May 20, 2012, 03:57:36 PM
1 is clearly lean Romney. 2 is clearly lean Obama.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 20, 2012, 04:02:16 PM
1 is clearly lean Romney. 2 is clearly lean Obama.

How are they "lean" and not just regularly Romney and Obama? Person 1 seems like a Mike Naso fella and person 2 seems like he'll strongly support Obama since all of the artists listed with the exception of Pink Floyd all seem to have fans that traditional support the Democratic party. Also what would you say my movie fans and Miinesota guy vote for in the upcoming election?


Romney

Next: movie fans


Movie fan 1

Transformers

The Fast and Furious

Total Recall

First Blood

Die Hard

Iron Man

Crank

Full Metal Jacket

Movie fan 2:

Twilight

Love Actually

Titanic

Bridesmaids

The Notebook

New Years Eve

Pearl Harbor

Movie fan 3:


Step Brothers

Donnie Darko

Pulp Fiction

Brick

Star Trek 2: Wrath of Khan

Kill Bill


Movie fan 4:

Goodfellas

Friday

The Departed

Casino

Boyz in the Hood

Scarface

8 Mile










Julia Wallace-Romney



Name: John M. Kennedy
Age: 45
Race: White
Sex: Male
Place of birth: Manchester New Hampshire
Place of residence: St Paul Minnesota
Education: BA in Special Education, University of California
Occupation: Special Education teacher in History
Personal Income: $75,000/year
Family: Son(16), spouse died when the son was 2 years old.
Religion: Atheist

Voting Record: Michael Dukakis 1988, Bill Clinton 1992 and 1996, Ralph Nader 2000, John Kerry 2004, Barack Obama 2008. Primaries: Paul Simon in 1988, Jerry Brown in 1992, Bill Bradley in 2000, Howard Dean in 2004 but was thinking about voting Dennis Kucinich in 2004, Mike Gravel earlier in 2007 but then switch his support to Dennis Kucinich later on. Voted for Paul Wellstone in 1990/1996, Dean Barkley in 1994, Mark Dayton in 2000, Walter Mondale in 2002,  Amy Klobuchar in 2006, Al Franken in 2008. Voted straight Dem in governor races except in 1998 when he cast his vote for Jesse Ventura.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on May 20, 2012, 04:49:17 PM
Hypothetical Voter:

Name: John Caceres (legally Juan Cáceres)
Age: 47
Race: White Hispanic
Sex: Male
Place of birth: Havana, Cuba
Place of residence: Maywood, New Jersey
Education: 4-year college graduate
Occupation: Engineer for AT&T
Personal income: $120,000/year
Family: Wife (45) is a homemaker, 2 children (16 & 17)
Household/family income: $120,000/year
Religion: Catholic (lapsed, basically agnostic)

Is this your dad? :P

Yes.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 20, 2012, 05:19:57 PM
Your father seems like a Obama voter Snowstalker


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on May 20, 2012, 06:52:44 PM
Hypothetical Voter:

Name: John Caceres (legally Juan Cáceres)
Age: 47
Race: White Hispanic
Sex: Male
Place of birth: Havana, Cuba
Place of residence: Maywood, New Jersey
Education: 4-year college graduate
Occupation: Engineer for AT&T
Personal income: $120,000/year
Family: Wife (45) is a homemaker, 2 children (16 & 17)
Household/family income: $120,000/year
Religion: Catholic (lapsed, basically agnostic)

Is this your dad? :P

Yes.

So were we right? Is he an Obama voter or a Romney voter? Or do you know? :)

Obama supporter. I assumed people would be thrown off by the Cuban part (which you didn't seem to notice)


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 20, 2012, 07:44:04 PM
Lean Obama


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on May 20, 2012, 08:30:38 PM
I was going to point out that if he's 29 he was not even eligible to vote in 2000, but then I realized it is possible if his birthday is before November.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on May 22, 2012, 10:57:42 AM
Hypothetical Voter:

Name: John Caceres (legally Juan Cáceres)
Age: 47
Race: White Hispanic
Sex: Male
Place of birth: Havana, Cuba
Place of residence: Maywood, New Jersey
Education: 4-year college graduate
Occupation: Engineer for AT&T
Personal income: $120,000/year
Family: Wife (45) is a homemaker, 2 children (16 & 17)
Household/family income: $120,000/year
Religion: Catholic (lapsed, basically agnostic)

Is this your dad? :P

Yes.

So were we right? Is he an Obama voter or a Romney voter? Or do you know? :)

Obama supporter. I assumed people would be thrown off by the Cuban part (which you didn't seem to notice)

I did catch it, but kind of forgot about it when I started the analysis. Cubans tend to lean more Republican than other Latino groups. Didn't change much in the end though. BTW, my dad-based hypothetical person above also plans to vote for Obama (though all exit poll signs point to him being a Romney supporter).

He's always also had a bit of an independent streak; his first vote was for Perot (though he voted for Gore, Kerry, and Obama after that).


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 23, 2012, 02:38:49 PM
Book readers:

Reader 1:

The Hobbit

A Tale of Two cities

Hamlet

The Dark Tower

The Lord of the Rings

The Quran

Gone with the Wind

The Kite Rider

The Stand

Lord of the Files

Person 2

Faith of my Fathers

Audacity of Hope

The Fountainhead

A People History of the United States of America

Dude Where my Country?

No Apologies

Mein Kampf

The Communist Manifesto

Malcolm X Autobiography  

The Great Libertarian Offer


Book reader 3:

Harry Potter series

Catcher from the Rye

Of Mice and Men

The Chocolate War

Rita Hayworth and Shawshank Redemption

The Da Vinci Code

The Ginger Man

Angels and Demons

The Diary of a Young Girl





Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Insula Dei on May 23, 2012, 02:49:17 PM
The second one is a Romney Democrat. The first one has voted republican all his life but will vote Green this year.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 23, 2012, 02:54:50 PM
The second one is a Romney Democrat. The first one has voted republican all his life but will vote Green this year.

The switch to Green seems odd but not as much as person 2 favorite book list. What about the third person?


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Insula Dei on May 23, 2012, 03:47:42 PM
The second one is a Romney Democrat. The first one has voted republican all his life but will vote Green this year.

The switch to Green seems odd but not as much as person 2 favorite book list. What about the third person?

Constitution Party.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 23, 2012, 08:40:28 PM
The second one is a Romney Democrat. The first one has voted republican all his life but will vote Green this year.

The switch to Green seems odd but not as much as person 2 favorite book list. What about the third person?

Constitution Party.

Wtf


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 27, 2012, 04:01:08 PM
Name: Mike O'Connor
Born: June 15, 1950
Place of birth: Dallas Texas
 Place of residence: Pittsburgh Pennsylvania
 Education: 4-year college graduate at University of Michigan
Occupation: Barbor
Family: Wife (65) is a homemaker, 1 child
 Household/family income: $70,000/year
Religion: Muslim but was raised as Catholic


Voting record: Richard Nixon 1972, Jimmy Carter in 1976, Ronald Reagan in 1980 and 1984, George HW Bush in 1988, Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996, George W Bush in 2000, John Kerry in 2004, Barack Obama in 2008. Voted Spector, Santorum, Casey, and Wofford in senate elections. Voted Ed Rendell, Tom Ridge and Bob Casey Sr in governor elections


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Miles on May 27, 2012, 08:33:13 PM
Name: Mary Hayes
Born: May 6, 1934
Place of birth/residence: Lumberton, NC
Education: High school graduate
Occupation: Retired teacher
Family: Widowed
Annual Income: $60,000 pension + $14,000 Social Security
Religion: Baptist; plays organ at church every Sunday

Voting Record: Dukakis 1988, Clinton 1992/1996, Bush 2000, Kerry 2004, McCain 2008. Straight-ticket Democrat in local races her entire life.



Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 27, 2012, 09:22:30 PM
What about my guy bawlexus91?


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 27, 2012, 09:26:38 PM
Name: Mike O'Connor
Born: June 15, 1950
Place of birth: Dallas Texas
 Place of residence: Pittsburgh Pennsylvania
 Education: 4-year college graduate at University of Michigan
Occupation: Barbor
Family: Wife (65) is a homemaker, 1 child
 Household/family income: $70,000/year
Religion: Muslim but was raised as Catholic


Voting record: Richard Nixon 1972, Jimmy Carter in 1976, Ronald Reagan in 1980 and 1984, George HW Bush in 1988, Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996, George W Bush in 2000, John Kerry in 2004, Barack Obama in 2008. Voted Spector, Santorum, Casey, and Wofford in elections. Voted Ed Rendell, Tom Ridge and Bob Casey Jr in governor elections.

Is this guy white?

Is your guy a white person who converted to Islam? Or a Muslim-American?


White person who converted to Islam in 2005.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: morgieb on May 28, 2012, 12:55:57 AM
Name: Mary Hayes
Born: May 6, 1934
Place of birth/residence: Lumberton, NC
Education: High school graduate
Occupation: Retired teacher
Family: Widowed
Annual Income: $60,000 pension + $14,000 Social Security
Religion: Baptist; plays organ at church every Sunday

Voting Record: Dukakis 1988, Clinton 1992/1996, Bush 2000, Kerry 2004, McCain 2008. Straight-ticket Democrat in local races her entire life.



Is that your grandma or something?

Probably Romney if she voted McCain. Doesn't seem to like black people.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Miles on May 28, 2012, 01:00:31 AM
Name: Mary Hayes
Born: May 6, 1934
Place of birth/residence: Lumberton, NC
Education: High school graduate
Occupation: Retired teacher
Family: Widowed
Annual Income: $60,000 pension + $14,000 Social Security
Religion: Baptist; plays organ at church every Sunday

Voting Record: Dukakis 1988, Clinton 1992/1996, Bush 2000, Kerry 2004, McCain 2008. Straight-ticket Democrat in local races her entire life.



Is that your grandma or something?

Probably Romney if she voted McCain. Doesn't seem to like black people.

No, but I did know a woman like this a few years ago from that area.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: old timey villain on May 30, 2012, 01:31:36 PM
How about Roseanne and Dan Connor in 2012?

Here's where I think the Connor family would be in 2012:

Roseanne's loose meat restaurant closed down in 2004 as suburban sprawl in Lanford took away business from locally owned restaurants. Strapped for cash, their son in law Mark enlisted in the army and fought in Iraq to try to help the family, where he was killed by a roadside bomb in 2006. Their daughter Becky, who is a manager at the local Wal-Mart remarried last year.

Darlene, Roseanne's daughter, divorced her husband David and came out as a lesbian. She now has a partner and they are thinking about having a baby together. Dan left his job in 2001 at the city garage and worked in construction for a company building suburban homes in the Chicago suburbs. The company went bankrupt in 2008. The Connor's nearly lost their home in 2009 but got help from a stimulus program designed to help struggling homeowners.  Since 2010, Dan has had a decently paying job as a manager at an auto repair shop.

Dan had a heart attack last year. Luckily he survived, and the passage of the Affordable Care Act significantly lowered the amount of money they had to pay for his surgery. However, it still put them in even more debt. Since the restaurant closed, Roseanne has been working as a receptionist at a law firm, but she and her sister Jackie, still single but dating, want to open up a medical marijuana dispensary, the first in Lanford. (Roseanne Barr has actually said she can see her character and Jackie doing this)

DJ has been the savior for the family. He turned out to be a gifted writer and is a published author now.

So let's start in 1996
Roseanne: Clinton
Dan: Clinton

2000
Roseanne: Nader
Dan: Bush

2004
Roseanne: Kerry
Dan: Bush

2008
Roseanne: Obama
Dan: Obama

2012
Roseanne: Obama
Dan: Undecided. (Doesn't really like either, leaning toward Obama)


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 30, 2012, 01:52:07 PM
Roseanne: Roseanne write in

Dan: Not voting













Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 30, 2012, 01:59:03 PM
The  Griffin family
________



Peter: Doesn't seem to be the prototypical voter for either Romney or Obama. If Peter does vote it will be for Obama because he's from Rhode Island and Joe Biden is Obama VP pick.

Lois: Obama but would have voted for the 1994 Mitt Romney if he was put up against president Obama.

Chris: Non-voter

Meg: Obama

Brian: Strong Obama since he's a self admitted liberal/Democrat and would fit the stereotype of a latte liberal.

Stewie: Write in: The American Nazi party


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Person Man on May 30, 2012, 02:00:54 PM
Steven: 38 years old, lives in Madison, Wisconsin, has a public sector job and belongs to a union. Is divorced, has one child whom he does not have custody of, hires escorts on a regular basis, drinks alcohol almost every night, frequently uses marijuana, is not religious.

Mike: 23 years old, recent college graduate, now unemployed, just quit his job doing pizza delivery but has a huge trust fund from very affluent parents in the Philly suburbs. Does work at temp agencies to pass the time, lives in Philadelphia, has a girlfriend but is not interested in marriage, spends most of his time going to hardcore and indie rock shows and getting drunk but doesn't do any other drugs, is not religious.

Jenny: 27 years old, went to a Christian university for two years before dropping out, works as a receptionist at a local accounting firm in Denver but is hoping to return to college soon. Attends an evangelical charismatic church with a mostly younger congregation, took an abstinence pledge in her teens but doesn't follow it and didn't with her last boyfriend, is pro-life but supports gay marriage, uses pot with her friends including some people in her church small group.

This actually sounds like a girl I dated in St.Petersburg this time last year. She's probably a pillhead. :p

Joe: 33 years old, lives a Seattle suburb, works at a bank. Is not opposed to gay marriage but does not care much about the issue, is vaguely pro-life but considers it a low priority, supports drug legalization but is personally straightedge, reads Ayn Rand and generally adheres to her philosophy. Supported Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012 but was also creeped out by some of the more cult-like supporters. Was engaged last year but ended up breaking it off, is vaguely religious and only attends church on holidays.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Stranger in a strange land on May 30, 2012, 03:20:06 PM
Name: Mike O'Connor
Born: June 15, 1950
Place of birth: Dallas Texas
 Place of residence: Pittsburgh Pennsylvania
 Education: 4-year college graduate at University of Michigan
Occupation: Barbor
Family: Wife (65) is a homemaker, 1 child
 Household/family income: $70,000/year
Religion: Muslim but was raised as Catholic

Voting record: Richard Nixon 1972, Jimmy Carter in 1976, Ronald Reagan in 1980 and 1984, George HW Bush in 1988, Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996, George W Bush in 2000, John Kerry in 2004, Barack Obama in 2008. Voted Spector, Santorum, Casey, and Wofford in elections. Voted Ed Rendell, Tom Ridge and Bob Casey Jr in governor elections.

He's a convert to Islam. In view of the other information you've presented, he's not voting Republican anytime soon, though like most Muslims, he was probably a Republican before 9/11 and the War on Terrorism.

How about Roseanne and Dan Connor in 2012?

Here's where I think the Connor family would be in 2012:

Roseanne's loose meat restaurant closed down in 2004 as suburban sprawl in Lanford took away business from locally owned restaurants. Strapped for cash, their son in law Mark enlisted in the army and fought in Iraq to try to help the family, where he was killed by a roadside bomb in 2006. Their daughter Becky, who is a manager at the local Wal-Mart remarried last year.

Darlene, Roseanne's daughter, divorced her husband David and came out as a lesbian. She now has a partner and they are thinking about having a baby together. Dan left his job in 2001 at the city garage and worked in construction for a company building suburban homes in the Chicago suburbs. The company went bankrupt in 2008. The Connor's nearly lost their home in 2009 but got help from a stimulus program designed to help struggling homeowners.  Since 2010, Dan has had a decently paying job as a manager at an auto repair shop.

Dan had a heart attack last year. Luckily he survived, and the passage of the Affordable Care Act significantly lowered the amount of money they had to pay for his surgery. However, it still put them in even more debt. Since the restaurant closed, Roseanne has been working as a receptionist at a law firm, but she and her sister Jackie, still single but dating, want to open up a medical marijuana dispensary, the first in Lanford. (Roseanne Barr has actually said she can see her character and Jackie doing this)

DJ has been the savior for the family. He turned out to be a gifted writer and is a published author now.

So let's start in 1996
Roseanne: Clinton
Dan: Clinton

2000
Roseanne: Nader
Dan: Bush

2004
Roseanne: Kerry
Dan: Bush

2008
Roseanne: Obama
Dan: Obama

2012
Roseanne: Obama
Dan: Undecided. (Doesn't really like either, leaning toward Obama)

With all the family has been through in your scenario, they would almost definitely vote for Obama in 2012 unless they're fundies, which they pretty clearly aren't. Even if they are, the adage about a liberal being a conservative who got sick (the rejoinder to "a conservative is a liberal who got mugged") would likely apply here.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on June 03, 2012, 05:19:36 PM
The  Griffin family
________



Peter: Doesn't seem to be the prototypical voter for either Romney or Obama. If Peter does vote it will be for Obama because he's from Rhode Island and Joe Biden is Obama VP pick.

Lois: Obama but would have voted for the 1994 Mitt Romney if he was put up against president Obama.

Chris: Non-voter

Meg: Obama

Brian: Strong Obama since he's a self admitted liberal/Democrat and would fit the stereotype of a latte liberal.

Stewie: Write in: The American Nazi party


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on June 03, 2012, 06:06:22 PM
Name: Richard Nixon (Not that Nixon)
Age: 42
Gender: Male
Place of birth: Honolulu, HI
Place of residence: Los Angeles, CA
Education: Bachelor's degree at UCLA
Family: Wife is a stay-at-home mom, 2 kids
Occupation: Carpenter
Income: $60,000/year
Religion: Methodist
Voting history: Bush '88, Clinton '92, Clinton '96, Bush '00, Bush '04, Obama '08


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on June 03, 2012, 07:09:03 PM
Name: Richard Nixon (Not that Nixon)
Age: 42
Gender: Male
Place of birth: Honolulu, HI
Place of residence: Los Angeles, CA
Education: Bachelor's degree at UCLA
Family: Wife is a stay-at-home mom, 2 kids
Occupation: Carpenter
Income: $60,000/year
Religion: Methodist
Voting history: Bush '88, Clinton '92, Clinton '96, Bush '00, Bush '04, Obama '08

Is Richard Nixon from Honolulu White?
Sorry!

His dad's white and his mom's from Chile.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: morgieb on June 13, 2012, 04:29:29 AM
Bryan: 57 years old, lives in Columbus, Mississippi. Engineer for the Tennessee Valley Authority, after being a labourer for them. White, earns $125,000/year as his job. Married, has 3 grown children and 3 grandchildren, with a fourth on the way. From a heavily working-class background, almost underclass, and dropped out of high school. Later attended Mississippi State University to expand his workplace choices. Was in the army but quit, owns four guns. Ex-alcoholic, but has cut bank following his wife's threats to leave him. Devoutly religious and attends an evangelical church every week.

Louise: 32 years old, lives in Newport, Rhode Island. White. Currently an associate in a law firm, earns $100,000/year. Married, has one child and is pregnant with a second one. Attended Harvard Law School, was of a working-class/lower-middle class background but finished dux at her school which enabled her a scholarship. Was religious but has not attended church in a while. Doesn't drink or smoke, and only lost her virginity in her 20's.

Phil: 30 years old, lives in Boston, Massachuetts. White. Currently a partner in a law firm, earns $175,000/year. Married, has two children. Attended Harvard Law School, was of a working-class/lower-middle class background but finished dux at his school which enabled him a scholarship. Also attended Oxford University as a Rhodes Scholar. Impreginated his girlfriend in high school but was pressured by his family to not have an abortion. Was religious but is now an avowed atheist. Has recently questioned his sexuality and is currently involved in a gay affair. Has drunk in every state and lost his virginity at a very young age. Used to smoke weed, but hasn't done so in a while.

Matt: 23 years old, lives in Jackson, Mississippi. White, from a middle class background. Kicked out of home due to unemployment and lack of college degree, dropped out of college after two years and was fired from his job as a pizza delivery boy. Has a girlfriend, but has cheated on her. Used to belong to the KKK, but quit after leaving high school. Heavy drinker and regularly smokes weed. Very bored with his life and is considering going to a college in another part of the country and to get out of Mississippi. Semi-religious, but only attends church on holidays.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on June 13, 2012, 06:03:15 AM
Bryan: Republican

Louise: Democratic, probably

Phil: Democratic, again probably

Matt: Republican or Libertarian/not voting


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on June 16, 2012, 12:51:58 AM
What do you think the percentage is for how these will vote?

-Bronies in general
-Bronies whose favorite pony is Twilight Sparkle
-Bronies whose favorite pony is Rainbow Dash
-Bronies whose favorite pony is Pinkie Pie
-Bronies whose favorite pony is Rarity
-Bronies whose favorite pony is Applejack
-Bronies whose favorite pony is Fluttershy


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: © tweed on June 16, 2012, 09:25:19 AM

Name: Freddy McCarthy

Born: March 17, 1960

Location: Austin TX

Occupation: custodian at abortion clinic.  main responsibility is taking aborted fetuses out to the biohazard dumpster

Political views:

Abortion: supports abortions for business purposes but disowned his 17 year old daughter when she was impregnated by a black man and aborted it

Guns: NRA member

Making drug testing mandatory for welfare: he smokes weed

Same sex Marriage: gays will go the way of Sodom

Welfare Reform: didn't go far enough

Health care reform: supports provisions requiring plans pay for abortions, otherwise against the government takeover

Military: supported invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq; wants to invade Iran

Medicare/Social Security spending: abolish both since old people don't have abortions

Food stamps: against food stamps and also supports charging sales tax for food purposes.

Illegal Immigration: deport all illegals

Minimum Wage: against

Labor unions: thinks they are criminal organizations run by Obama and the mafia

Death Penalty: For the death penalty

Affirmative  Action: doesn't like his black co-workers, wishes everyone at the clinic were white

Free trade: campaigned against NAFTA in 1993 but had a change of heart when he started dating Shirley Macney in 1997, his future wife, who is virulently pro free-trade

Education: thinks America is 'over-educated', supports going back to 19th-Century education levels (less than 5% get highed education).  supports teaching Creationism in all public schools and attends an annual Darwin Effigy Festival at his friend Bob Normandy's house.  opposes Brown v Board of Education


Civil rights: has picture of Orval Faubus above the headboard on his bed

 hobbies: fishing, bowling, drinking Budweiser and smoking Marlboro Reds, f.cking Shirley, reading true crime books


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: morgieb on June 16, 2012, 09:35:19 AM
Yeah...most likely a Romney voter.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: All Along The Watchtower on June 16, 2012, 03:34:45 PM
What do you think the percentage is for how these will vote?

-Bronies in general
-Bronies whose favorite pony is Twilight Sparkle
-Bronies whose favorite pony is Rainbow Dash
-Bronies whose favorite pony is Pinkie Pie
-Bronies whose favorite pony is Rarity
-Bronies whose favorite pony is Applejack
-Bronies whose favorite pony is Fluttershy

All of them likely troll voters.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: © tweed on June 16, 2012, 05:52:21 PM
Stanton White, 19.  descendant of old school black middle class, Talented Ten stuff dating back to the 1890s.  two generations have been high-level labor relations managers for GM.  his dad 3-4x a week at the dinner table spoke without end on how much he hates the UAW.  Stanton went to a private school and smokes weed.  his dad violently beat his sister, Laquisha, when she brought a pimply-faced white guy home at age 16 and had sex with him in the family room.  briefly had an incestuous relationship with Laquisha when he was 13 and she was 11.  he smokes weed daily and has a full scholarship to Howard University.  he has used crack six times in his life, but four times in the past nine days.


Title: Re: NEW 2012 FORUM FEATURE: "Who will hypothetical people vote for?" Omnibus Thread!
Post by: morgieb on June 16, 2012, 06:43:08 PM
Probably Democrat because he's black. If he were white he'd be apolitical or a libertarian.