Title: IN-Global Strategy Group (D): Donnelly tied with Mourdock in internal Post by: Tender Branson on May 14, 2012, 11:42:55 PM 40% Donnelly (D)
40% Mourdock (R) Favorables: 28-12 Donnelly 36-37 Mourdock Only 40% of IN voters have heard of Donnelly, but 73% have heard of Mourdock. http://files.www.joeforindiana.com/IN_SEN-Statewide-Topline_5.14.pdf This and the Gov. race might actually become competetive later on ... :) Title: Re: IN-Global Strategy Group (D): Donnelly tied with Mourdock in internal Post by: tmthforu94 on May 15, 2012, 11:18:02 AM No surprise here - Moudock is too far out of mainstream for Indiana.
Title: Re: IN-Global Strategy Group (D): Donnelly tied with Mourdock in internal Post by: Keystone Phil on May 15, 2012, 12:07:37 PM No surprise here - Moudock is too far out of mainstream for Indiana. As evidenced by his landslide statewide win two years ago. Oh, that doesn't count? Ok. Explain that statewide win in 2006 then. We are in the period when bitter Lugar supporters will amp up the hysterics. Come November, this won't be one of the top competitive races. Oh, and did we mention that this is a Dem internal? Mourdock is clearly leading. Title: Re: IN-Global Strategy Group (D): Donnelly tied with Mourdock in internal Post by: Stranger in a strange land on May 15, 2012, 12:08:01 PM It would be hilarious if Mourdock loses, but unfortunately I think the Tea Party is still too powerful for that to happen.
Title: Re: IN-Global Strategy Group (D): Donnelly tied with Mourdock in internal Post by: tmthforu94 on May 15, 2012, 03:22:21 PM No surprise here - Moudock is too far out of mainstream for Indiana. As evidenced by his landslide statewide win two years ago. Oh, that doesn't count? Ok. Explain that statewide win in 2006 then. We are in the period when bitter Lugar supporters will amp up the hysterics. Come November, this won't be one of the top competitive races. Oh, and did we mention that this is a Dem internal? Mourdock is clearly leading. Mourdock's favorable numbers are not impressive, and I can't imagine them improving too much when voters learn that he opposes the 17th amendment, thinks Social Security and Medicare are unconstitutional, and has vowed to be "bitterly partisan" in Washington D.C. Those aren't hysterics - those are actual statements he has made. Joe Donnelly will come across as more favorable and mainstream to voters here, which is disappointing, because I don't think he'd make a great Senator either. Title: Re: IN-Global Strategy Group (D): Donnelly tied with Mourdock in internal Post by: Keystone Phil on May 15, 2012, 05:15:25 PM I'm not saying that the State Treasurer is a widely known position but don't make him out to be some fire-breathing unelectable nutcase. History proves you wrong.
Mourdock is mild mannered. Sure, the "bitterly partisan" stuff doesn't help but he isn't a far right winger and should be able to come across as a reasonable person/non-bomb thrower. That's enough for a win in an obviously Republican leaning state. Title: Re: IN-Global Strategy Group (D): Donnelly tied with Mourdock in internal Post by: Grumpier Than Thou on May 15, 2012, 07:38:52 PM The Lugar supporter vs. the Tea Partier
This ought to be classic. () Title: Re: IN-Global Strategy Group (D): Donnelly tied with Mourdock in internal Post by: Keystone Phil on May 15, 2012, 09:09:44 PM The Tea Partier? Uh...I mean...I'm sympathetic towards the Tea Party, share most of their fundamental beliefs and think they get quite a bit of unfair treatment but I wouldn't say that I embody the movement enough to be labeled "The Tea Partier."
I consider myself a common sense, standard conservative Republican. I've disagreed with the Tea Party in plenty of primary contests. Title: Re: IN-Global Strategy Group (D): Donnelly tied with Mourdock in internal Post by: tmthforu94 on May 15, 2012, 10:36:05 PM I'm not saying that the State Treasurer is a widely known position but don't make him out to be some fire-breathing unelectable nutcase. History proves you wrong. Mourdock is mild mannered. Sure, the "bitterly partisan" stuff doesn't help but he isn't a far right winger and should be able to come across as a reasonable person/non-bomb thrower. That's enough for a win in an obviously Republican leaning state. I disagree with your assertion that he isn't a "far right winger", simply due to the fact I've watched his campaign, both for Treasurer and Senate, and have heard him speak several times. On issues, he's very conservative. He just doesn't make quite as many ridiculous statements as other far-right candidates do. I guess we'll just have to see how Indiana reacts to him - thankfully I'll have a frontrow seat of this interesting race unfolding. Title: Re: IN-Global Strategy Group (D): Donnelly tied with Mourdock in internal Post by: Badger on May 16, 2012, 12:25:56 PM Using a statewide election for a non-ideological race like Treasurer is a bona-fide stretch to claim strength in a US Senate race. Mourdock isn't "unelectable" only because this is 2012 Indiana. But his hard-right wing credentials will make this a POTENTIALLY close race, not unlike Kentucky 2010.
Title: Re: IN-Global Strategy Group (D): Donnelly tied with Mourdock in internal Post by: Grumpier Than Thou on May 16, 2012, 06:36:55 PM The Tea Partier? Uh...I mean...I'm sympathetic towards the Tea Party, share most of their fundamental beliefs and think they get quite a bit of unfair treatment but I wouldn't say that I embody the movement enough to be labeled "The Tea Partier." I consider myself a common sense, standard conservative Republican. I've disagreed with the Tea Party in plenty of primary contests. My mistake, you're the token example tea party label-ee, but not exactly that Title: Re: IN-Global Strategy Group (D): Donnelly tied with Mourdock in internal Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on May 17, 2012, 01:31:27 PM Quote from: Tender Branson link=topic=153574.msg3296609#msg3296609 This and [b the Gov. race might actually become competetive[/b] later on ... :) The senate race may be somewhat competitive, but I'd be surprised if Mourdock wound up losing. Meanwhile, the gubernatorial race will never be competitive — that's pretty safe Republican. Title: Re: IN-Global Strategy Group (D): Donnelly tied with Mourdock in internal Post by: Incipimus iterum on May 17, 2012, 01:34:46 PM agreed the democrat who's running against Pence has problems with name recognition
Title: Re: IN-Global Strategy Group (D): Donnelly tied with Mourdock in internal Post by: tmthforu94 on May 17, 2012, 02:31:21 PM agreed the democrat who's running against Pence has problems with name recognition Pence is a stronger candidate than Mourdock, though. Gun to my head, I'd say Mourdock will win the Senate race (at this moment) by 1-5%, while Pence wins the Governor's race 6-10%. Title: Re: IN-Global Strategy Group (D): Donnelly tied with Mourdock in internal Post by: nkpatel1279 on May 18, 2012, 10:21:53 AM Using a statewide election for a non-ideological race like Treasurer is a bona-fide stretch to claim strength in a US Senate race. Mourdock isn't "unelectable" only because this is 2012 Indiana. But his hard-right wing credentials will make this a POTENTIALLY close race, not unlike Kentucky 2010. Coakley-D despite running a lousy campaign in 2010 would have won and still be serving in the US Senate. Coakley-D would win re-election to a first full term in 2012 by a double digit margin. Coakley's loss in 2010 had to due with superficial reasons- The criteria in 2010 MA was which candidate you wanted to have a beer. Coakley(D-MA) would have left of center voting record had she got elected to the US Senate. Mourdock(R-IN) would have a far right voting record if he gets elected to the US Senate. On the other side, Brown(R-MA) is more conservative than the average MA voter. Donnelly(D-IN) is the true moderate in the race that would not go on Fox News Channel like Bayh or Lieberman. Title: Re: IN-Global Strategy Group (D): Donnelly tied with Mourdock in internal Post by: Torie on May 18, 2012, 10:40:38 AM Quote he opposes the 17th amendment, thinks Social Security and Medicare are unconstitutional, Beyond revealing himself as clueless on Constiutional law and theory, to suggest that the above does not put the guy into the kook category is going to be very heavy lifting indeed. I mean, it's just ludicrous. Is there any part of the social safety net that the guy supports (I assume that when he says SS and Medicare are "unconstitutional," what he really means via using this silly gilding of the lily, is that he thinks both are bad public policy)? Most of these kooks are just too lazy to actually think through how to fashion sensible public policies which use market forces where possible, limit economic inefficiencies and distortions, can be fiscally sustained over the long term, yet create social safety nets that comport with the conscience of most of us, and with what the public in fact expects and demands. Instead they just spit out sound bytes trippingly off their tongue. In a word, they're useless, and marginalized figures better put on "ignore." Yes, I just don't have any patience for these kind of politicians - at all. Title: Re: IN-Global Strategy Group (D): Donnelly tied with Mourdock in internal Post by: Eraserhead on May 18, 2012, 11:21:15 AM It's kind of sad that the two choices for U.S. Senate are Right-winger #1 and (borderline crazy) Right-winger #2 in a state Obama carried four years ago.
Title: Re: IN-Global Strategy Group (D): Donnelly tied with Mourdock in internal Post by: Incipimus iterum on May 18, 2012, 11:31:09 AM soo, Donnellys Right winger 1# then, idk he seems pretty Moderate to me and besides the Democrats need to Get Blue dogs elected in red stated if they want to get a majority
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