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Title: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: © tweed on May 31, 2012, 12:24:15 PM
don't ruin everything


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: k-onmmunist on May 31, 2012, 05:47:52 PM
MCC/Pingvin


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on May 31, 2012, 05:51:15 PM
For now Pingvin, only because I know next to nothing about MCC. Probably I'd change my vote in time.


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on May 31, 2012, 06:17:49 PM
You know where my vote is.


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on May 31, 2012, 06:56:55 PM
Pingvin/Pingvin.


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: Oakvale on May 31, 2012, 07:19:41 PM
The one who's not a Nazi.


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on May 31, 2012, 07:20:21 PM


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: Donerail on May 31, 2012, 08:22:55 PM
Commies vs Nazis... I'll go with MCC, I guess, but eurgh (y'all are fine personally, I just wouldn't want you in elected office)


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: LastVoter on May 31, 2012, 11:14:21 PM
MCC, too many people are supporting a fascist here.


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on May 31, 2012, 11:28:19 PM
Communist over fascist


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: LastVoter on June 01, 2012, 01:44:53 AM
MCC, too many people are supporting a fascist here.

I'm not sure how much different it is from supporting a communist. :P

Still, MCC/MCC.
The actual ideological communism is supposed to be democratic.


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: Niemeyerite on June 01, 2012, 05:48:24 AM
I'll never vote for a Nazi. Not even in an internet poll. Nazism is banned in many countries. It should be here, too :p


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: Supersonic on June 01, 2012, 06:11:06 AM


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: LastVoter on June 01, 2012, 01:38:28 PM
I'll never vote for a Nazi. Not even in an internet poll. Nazism is banned in many countries. It should be here, too :p
He's on mod reviewed posts already, so halfway there.


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: Donerail on June 01, 2012, 06:26:07 PM
I'll never vote for a Nazi. Not even in an internet poll. Nazism is banned in many countries. It should be here, too :p

What happened to the whole free speech thing?


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on June 02, 2012, 06:48:46 AM
I'll never vote for a Nazi. Not even in an internet poll. Nazism is banned in many countries. It should be here, too :p

What happened to the whole free speech thing?

Lol at banning certain beliefs. Ya, that's effective. As well, while not familiar with all Ping's views, Authoritarian Conservatism =/= Nazism.


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 02, 2012, 06:50:22 AM
I'll never vote for a Nazi. Not even in an internet poll. Nazism is banned in many countries. It should be here, too :p

What happened to the whole free speech thing?

Lol at banning certain beliefs. Ya, that's effective. As well, while not familiar with all Ping's views, Authoritarian Conservatism =/= Nazism.

Looks so.


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: Hash on June 02, 2012, 07:19:02 AM
Pingvin is not really a Nazi, he's just an ignorant buffoon.


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: Niemeyerite on June 02, 2012, 08:31:55 AM
Pingvin is not really a Nazi, he's just an ignorant buffoon.

Most of them are ignorant buffoons.

I'll never vote for a Nazi. Not even in an internet poll. Nazism is banned in many countries. It should be here, too :p

What happened to the whole free speech thing?

I don't believe Nazis should be given 'free speech'. I really don't.


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on June 02, 2012, 09:37:56 AM
Can somebody find a post where Pingvin clearly states that he wants to annihilate other religions and achieve a pure race of white Christians? If no one can, then shut up. Because, as previously stated...



Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 02, 2012, 10:51:23 AM
Pingvin is not really a Nazi, he's just an ignorant buffoon.

There are plenty of ignorant buffoons who don't want to mine the Greek-Turk border in order to stop immigration and who don't facepalm at posts saying diversity is a good thing.

"Nazi" is, of course, a hyperbole, but not as far off as it usually is when the word is generally used on the internets.


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: politicus on June 02, 2012, 11:10:47 AM
Pingvin is not really a Nazi, he's just an ignorant buffoon.

There are plenty of ignorant buffoons who don't want to mine the Greek-Turk border in order to stop immigration and who don't facepalm at posts saying diversity is a good thing.

"Nazi" is, of course, a hyperbole, but not as far off as it usually is when the word is generally used on the internets.
Being against immigration doesn't make you a Nazi/fascist/racist etc. Mining the border is a bit extreme, but not against international law. If a sovereign nation wants to do it, they are allowed to and supporting it is not anti-democratic in any (meaningful) way.
Pingvin sometimes says extreme things and especially his choice of parties he supports in other countries is a bit disturbing, but I wouldn't call him a genuine fascist let alone a Nazi.


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: Phony Moderate on June 02, 2012, 11:45:08 AM
UNITED RUSSIA?
Man, they're evil! Elections are rigged for them (ballot stuffing) and they're full of corruption - they even recieved a "party of crooks and thieves" nickname in the Russian Internets.

USA: Constitution
UK: BNP
Germany: Freedom
Israel: National Union
Canada: Christian Heritage
Australia: Family First
Denmark: Danish People's Party
Italy: Lega Nord
Russia: National Democratic Alliance (nazdem.info)
France: National Front
Ireland: Sinn Fein
Switzerland: SVP
Austria: FPO/FPK
Sweden: Sweden Democrats
Estonia: Estonian Independence
Netherlands: Party for Freedom
Poland: PiS
Spain: People's Party
New Zealand: New Zealand First
Greece: Golden Dawn (just because of mining)
Finland: True Finns
Taiwan: Kuomintang
Serbia: Serbian Radical Party

Yeah, anyone who openly admits that they would vote for the BNP and Golden Dawn is objectively a fascist, to say nothing of most of his other party preferences.


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: The Simpsons Cinematic Universe on June 02, 2012, 11:54:26 AM
I don't know who Pingvin is but from what I've read in this thread he sounds like bad news. I voted for myself.

Sinn Fein seems way out of place on that list.


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: Niemeyerite on June 02, 2012, 02:37:49 PM
Pingvin is not really a Nazi, he's just an ignorant buffoon.

There are plenty of ignorant buffoons who don't want to mine the Greek-Turk border in order to stop immigration and who don't facepalm at posts saying diversity is a good thing.

"Nazi" is, of course, a hyperbole, but not as far off as it usually is when the word is generally used on the internets.
Being against immigration doesn't make you a Nazi/fascist/racist etc. Mining the border is a bit extreme, but not against international law. If a sovereign nation wants to do it, they are allowed to and supporting it is not anti-democratic in any (meaningful) way.
Pingvin sometimes says extreme things and especially his choice of parties he supports in other countries is a bit disturbing, but I wouldn't call him a genuine fascist let alone a Nazi.

If he recognized he was a Nazi he'd be banned. But he says he'd vote for the Nazi Party in Greece. That's enough for me to consider him a Nazi.


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: Donerail on June 02, 2012, 04:03:23 PM
I'll never vote for a Nazi. Not even in an internet poll. Nazism is banned in many countries. It should be here, too :p

What happened to the whole free speech thing?

I don't believe Nazis should be given 'free speech'. I really don't.

So because they don't agree with your views, you don't think they're entitled to be allowed a voice? See, that's fascism right there...


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on June 02, 2012, 04:15:39 PM
I'll never vote for a Nazi. Not even in an internet poll. Nazism is banned in many countries. It should be here, too :p

What happened to the whole free speech thing?

I don't believe Nazis should be given 'free speech'. I really don't.

So because they don't agree with your views, you don't think they're entitled to be allowed a voice? See, that's fascism right there...

Ya. People don't seem to realize that fascists are arguing from the same perspective when they talk about eradicating a race or crushing certain political movements. If you took a conservative (or "fascist") and replaced Julio's comments with "Commies", what does that sound like?


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: Donerail on June 02, 2012, 04:22:52 PM
I'll never vote for a communist. Not even in an internet poll. Communism is banned in many countries. It should be here, too :p

What happened to the whole free speech thing?

I don't believe communists should be given 'free speech'. I really don't.

So because they don't agree with your views, you don't think they're entitled to be allowed a voice? See, that's fascism right there...

Ya. People don't seem to realize that fascists are arguing from the same perspective when they talk about eradicating a race or crushing certain political movements. If you took a conservative (or "fascist") and replaced Julio's comments with "Commies", what does that sound like?

See quote.


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on June 02, 2012, 06:07:03 PM
Look guys, I tend to react very strongly to kind of views Pingvin is presenting, but I think some of you are way too harsh on him. Please take into an account that he's very young and he can remain friendly with users very ideologically diverse from him.


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on June 03, 2012, 03:22:36 AM
Look guys, I tend to react very strongly to kind of views Pingvin is presenting, but I think some of you are way too harsh on him. Please take into an account that he's very young and he can remain friendly with users very ideologically diverse from him.

None of the rest of us were Nazis at that age.


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: Niemeyerite on June 03, 2012, 08:21:30 AM
I'll never vote for a Nazi. Not even in an internet poll. Nazism is banned in many countries. It should be here, too :p

What happened to the whole free speech thing?

I don't believe Nazis should be given 'free speech'. I really don't.

So because they don't agree with your views, you don't think they're entitled to be allowed a voice? See, that's fascism right there...

Nazis are against democracy. They're dangerous. I don't think they should "be entitled to be allowed a voice" if we want to keep Democracy alive. Remember Hitler?


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: Donerail on June 03, 2012, 11:03:31 AM
I'll never vote for a Nazi. Not even in an internet poll. Nazism is banned in many countries. It should be here, too :p

What happened to the whole free speech thing?

I don't believe Nazis should be given 'free speech'. I really don't.

So because they don't agree with your views, you don't think they're entitled to be allowed a voice? See, that's fascism right there...

Nazis are against democracy. They're dangerous. I don't think they should "be entitled to be allowed a voice" if we want to keep Democracy alive. Remember Hitler?

So you'd support banning and muzzling all monarchists, aristocrats, fascists, theocrats, etc? As a logical extension of this, the works of such authors as Nietzsche, Plato, and Tolstoy should be banned, because the authors opposed a democratic system? If they are not allowed a voice, then they've already won, because the society which restricts the right to free speech has already begun moving towards fascism.


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on June 03, 2012, 11:38:26 AM
This is someone's website on the Internet, not a proving ground for free speech theory.


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on June 03, 2012, 11:58:37 AM
Look guys, I tend to react very strongly to kind of views Pingvin is presenting, but I think some of you are way too harsh on him. Please take into an account that he's very young and he can remain friendly with users very ideologically diverse from him.

None of the rest of us were Nazis at that age.

Which doesn't mean people can't change and mature over the years. I'm not going to permanently discount anyone based on early life stupidity.

This is someone's website on the Internet, not a proving ground for free speech theory.

Here I agree. We're guests on this site and we must obey owner's rules. The same way you're a guest in somebody's home and you have to obey his rules.


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: Donerail on June 03, 2012, 12:29:18 PM
This is someone's website on the Internet, not a proving ground for free speech theory.

So you're saying Julio is a sock of Dave? Because he (and the moderators) are the ones that set the rules on such.


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: Niemeyerite on June 03, 2012, 03:50:39 PM
I'll never vote for a Nazi. Not even in an internet poll. Nazism is banned in many countries. It should be here, too :p

What happened to the whole free speech thing?

I don't believe Nazis should be given 'free speech'. I really don't.

So because they don't agree with your views, you don't think they're entitled to be allowed a voice? See, that's fascism right there...

Nazis are against democracy. They're dangerous. I don't think they should "be entitled to be allowed a voice" if we want to keep Democracy alive. Remember Hitler?

So you'd support banning and muzzling all monarchists, aristocrats, fascists, theocrats, etc? As a logical extension of this, the works of such authors as Nietzsche, Plato, and Tolstoy should be banned, because the authors opposed a democratic system? If they are not allowed a voice, then they've already won, because the society which restricts the right to free speech has already begun moving towards fascism.

I'd support banning ideologies which are based in killing those you don't like (jewish or turkish, it's the same). It'd be difficult to bann monarchists in Spain...



Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: Donerail on June 03, 2012, 07:23:15 PM
I'll never vote for a Nazi. Not even in an internet poll. Nazism is banned in many countries. It should be here, too :p

What happened to the whole free speech thing?

I don't believe Nazis should be given 'free speech'. I really don't.

So because they don't agree with your views, you don't think they're entitled to be allowed a voice? See, that's fascism right there...

Nazis are against democracy. They're dangerous. I don't think they should "be entitled to be allowed a voice" if we want to keep Democracy alive. Remember Hitler?

So you'd support banning and muzzling all monarchists, aristocrats, fascists, theocrats, etc? As a logical extension of this, the works of such authors as Nietzsche, Plato, and Tolstoy should be banned, because the authors opposed a democratic system? If they are not allowed a voice, then they've already won, because the society which restricts the right to free speech has already begun moving towards fascism.

I'd support banning ideologies which are based in killing those you don't like (jewish or turkish, it's the same). It'd be difficult to bann monarchists in Spain...

Those who advocate monarchy are inherently antidemocratic and dangerous and should be banned if we want to keep democracy alive, no?


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on June 03, 2012, 07:46:06 PM
I'll never vote for a Nazi. Not even in an internet poll. Nazism is banned in many countries. It should be here, too :p

What happened to the whole free speech thing?

I don't believe Nazis should be given 'free speech'. I really don't.

So because they don't agree with your views, you don't think they're entitled to be allowed a voice? See, that's fascism right there...

Nazis are against democracy. They're dangerous. I don't think they should "be entitled to be allowed a voice" if we want to keep Democracy alive. Remember Hitler?

So you'd support banning and muzzling all monarchists, aristocrats, fascists, theocrats, etc? As a logical extension of this, the works of such authors as Nietzsche, Plato, and Tolstoy should be banned, because the authors opposed a democratic system? If they are not allowed a voice, then they've already won, because the society which restricts the right to free speech has already begun moving towards fascism.

I'd support banning ideologies which are based in killing those you don't like (jewish or turkish, it's the same). It'd be difficult to bann monarchists in Spain...

Those who advocate monarchy are inherently antidemocratic and dangerous and should be banned if we want to keep democracy alive, no?

Are you familiar with the recent history of democracy in Spain?


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: Donerail on June 03, 2012, 08:54:53 PM
I'll never vote for a Nazi. Not even in an internet poll. Nazism is banned in many countries. It should be here, too :p

What happened to the whole free speech thing?

I don't believe Nazis should be given 'free speech'. I really don't.

So because they don't agree with your views, you don't think they're entitled to be allowed a voice? See, that's fascism right there...

Nazis are against democracy. They're dangerous. I don't think they should "be entitled to be allowed a voice" if we want to keep Democracy alive. Remember Hitler?

So you'd support banning and muzzling all monarchists, aristocrats, fascists, theocrats, etc? As a logical extension of this, the works of such authors as Nietzsche, Plato, and Tolstoy should be banned, because the authors opposed a democratic system? If they are not allowed a voice, then they've already won, because the society which restricts the right to free speech has already begun moving towards fascism.

I'd support banning ideologies which are based in killing those you don't like (jewish or turkish, it's the same). It'd be difficult to bann monarchists in Spain...

Those who advocate monarchy are inherently antidemocratic and dangerous and should be banned if we want to keep democracy alive, no?

Are you familiar with the recent history of democracy in Spain?

Yes, yes, King transitioned from Franco, but in general, monarchy is not conductive to democracy (see Saudi Arabia).


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on June 04, 2012, 12:16:54 AM
Saudi Arabia is the exception, monarchies in most countries today are pretty meaningless and serve as no threat nor benefit to democracy. Though I would support abolishing them in most cases (ESPECIALLY in Canada and Australia.)


Title: Re: Pingvin vs MustCrushCapitalism
Post by: Niemeyerite on June 04, 2012, 02:30:27 AM
I'll never vote for a Nazi. Not even in an internet poll. Nazism is banned in many countries. It should be here, too :p

What happened to the whole free speech thing?

I don't believe Nazis should be given 'free speech'. I really don't.

So because they don't agree with your views, you don't think they're entitled to be allowed a voice? See, that's fascism right there...

Nazis are against democracy. They're dangerous. I don't think they should "be entitled to be allowed a voice" if we want to keep Democracy alive. Remember Hitler?

So you'd support banning and muzzling all monarchists, aristocrats, fascists, theocrats, etc? As a logical extension of this, the works of such authors as Nietzsche, Plato, and Tolstoy should be banned, because the authors opposed a democratic system? If they are not allowed a voice, then they've already won, because the society which restricts the right to free speech has already begun moving towards fascism.

I'd support banning ideologies which are based in killing those you don't like (jewish or turkish, it's the same). It'd be difficult to bann monarchists in Spain...

Those who advocate monarchy are inherently antidemocratic and dangerous and should be banned if we want to keep democracy alive, no?

They're not dangerous. If they start killing people  or supporting that (like PingVin and his Greek Party), I don't see any reasons not to Ban them from the democratic system.

For example, ANV, Sortu, Batasuna... All parties who supported ETA, were banned here in Spain, in a democracy. Then, Bildu promissed to respect the rules of our Constitution, to say they were against ETA violence, and now they have 6 seats in the Parliament ;)