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Title: any new yorkers on here know anything about the historical demographics
Post by: freepcrusher on July 05, 2012, 10:22:15 pm
of the Bronx? One thing I found interesting was that there used to be a large concentration of jews at one point. I read that around 1930, the borough was nearly half jewish. I would guess now that that number is no more than ten percent.

Does anyone know what precipitated the exodus of jews from the bronx? I think Moses' CBE (Cross Bronx Expressway) may have been a factor as it constructed a freeway right through a lot of residential areas of the bronx and displaced thousands of residents.


Title: Re: any new yorkers on here know anything about the historical demographics
Post by: Brittain33 on July 06, 2012, 08:16:03 am
I think it's just "white flight" to the suburbs with demographic changes in the Bronx. Jewish communities upped and left cities much more quickly than Catholics because it's easy for a synagogue to move while a church is anchored in a geographic parish. Also, moving to the Bronx was once seen as moving up from the slums of Manhattan to a nicer urban neighborhood, so it wasn't so hard to move again. And the older generation died off or moved to Florida.

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/new_york/bronx_it%27s_desolation_row


Title: Re: any new yorkers on here know anything about the historical demographics
Post by: memphis on July 06, 2012, 09:04:05 am
Not that complicated. Neighborhoods change. Has very little to do with Jewish people, in particular. People with the means don't want to live in a poor, high crime, high blight neighborhood like the Bronx after WWII. This is true for people of all religions. I don't think there are many Anglo Catholics left up there either. Similarly, the neighborhood my dad grew up in had a large Jewish population (for Memphis) in in the 1950s. Today, it's not an area one wants to spend a lot of time in. I don't buy the whole highway thing. There are plenty of very nice neighborhoods near highways. Including, as it happens, the current Jewish part of town in Memphis.


Title: Re: any new yorkers on here know anything about the historical demographics
Post by: hopper on July 08, 2012, 08:25:04 pm
I think it's just "white flight" to the suburbs with demographic changes in the Bronx. Jewish communities upped and left cities much more quickly than Catholics because it's easy for a synagogue to move while a church is anchored in a geographic parish. Also, moving to the Bronx was once seen as moving up from the slums of Manhattan to a nicer urban neighborhood, so it wasn't so hard to move again. And the older generation died off or moved to Florida.

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/new_york/bronx_it%27s_desolation_row
Yeah now its the reverse people want to move to Manhattan and go live in a nice apartment. Just got to watch your back in Manhattan.

I never knew the Bronx had a big jewish population. I haven't been to The Bronx in 15 years even though I live in Central Jersey. Its just a place you want to avoid. I'm just shocked people wanted to move to The Bronx at one point.

I think maybe all the Jewish people that lived in The Bronx maybe moved to Brooklyn, Queens(look at Anthony Weiner's old congressional district), or Long Island. I know a guy that relieves at work from time to time and he went to High School in the 50's or 60's in Long Island he said everybody was Jewish that was around him. A few italians were living in Long Island at that time he said too. Now I think the Hispanics are moving into Long Island with the bastion of Italians that are already there.


Title: Re: any new yorkers on here know anything about the historical demographics
Post by: cinyc on July 12, 2012, 06:58:40 pm
I think it's just "white flight" to the suburbs with demographic changes in the Bronx. Jewish communities upped and left cities much more quickly than Catholics because it's easy for a synagogue to move while a church is anchored in a geographic parish. Also, moving to the Bronx was once seen as moving up from the slums of Manhattan to a nicer urban neighborhood, so it wasn't so hard to move again. And the older generation died off or moved to Florida.

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/new_york/bronx_it%27s_desolation_row
Yeah now its the reverse people want to move to Manhattan and go live in a nice apartment. Just got to watch your back in Manhattan.

I never knew the Bronx had a big jewish population. I haven't been to The Bronx in 15 years even though I live in Central Jersey. Its just a place you want to avoid. I'm just shocked people wanted to move to The Bronx at one point.

I think maybe all the Jewish people that lived in The Bronx maybe moved to Brooklyn, Queens(look at Anthony Weiner's old congressional district), or Long Island. I know a guy that relieves at work from time to time and he went to High School in the 50's or 60's in Long Island he said everybody was Jewish that was around him. A few italians were living in Long Island at that time he said too. Now I think the Hispanics are moving into Long Island with the bastion of Italians that are already there.

People who live in the Bronx tend to move to suburbs in Westchester and points north or, in some cases, North Jersey.  Most don't move to Long Island or Brooklyn - the major Bronx roads and transit links point north, not east.  I'd bet a lot of the successful children of the Jewish residents on the Grand Concourse moved to places like Scarsdale and Rockland County when searching for greener pastures in the NYC metro.  As brittain33 said, some of the older folks died off or moved to Florida as the old Jewish neighborhoods turned more and more Hispanic.

Even today, there still is a sizeable Jewish community in the Riverdale section of the Northwest Bronx, along the Hudson River.


Title: Re: any new yorkers on here know anything about the historical demographics
Post by: NY Jew on July 13, 2012, 09:29:23 am
of the Bronx? One thing I found interesting was that there used to be a large concentration of jews at one point. I read that around 1930, the borough was nearly half jewish. I would guess now that that number is no more than ten percent.

Does anyone know what precipitated the exodus of jews from the bronx? I think Moses' CBE (Cross Bronx Expressway) may have been a factor as it constructed a freeway right through a lot of residential areas of the bronx and displaced thousands of residents.
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I think it's just "white flight" to the suburbs with demographic changes in the Bronx. Jewish communities upped and left cities much more quickly than Catholics because it's easy for a synagogue to move while a church is anchored in a geographic parish. Also, moving to the Bronx was once seen as moving up from the slums of Manhattan to a nicer urban neighborhood, so it wasn't so hard to move again. And the older generation died off or moved to Florida.

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/new_york/bronx_it%27s_desolation_row
Yeah now its the reverse people want to move to Manhattan and go live in a nice apartment. Just got to watch your back in Manhattan.

I never knew the Bronx had a big jewish population. I haven't been to The Bronx in 15 years even though I live in Central Jersey. Its just a place you want to avoid. I'm just shocked people wanted to move to The Bronx at one point.

I think maybe all the Jewish people that lived in The Bronx maybe moved to Brooklyn, Queens(look at Anthony Weiner's old congressional district), or Long Island. I know a guy that relieves at work from time to time and he went to High School in the 50's or 60's in Long Island he said everybody was Jewish that was around him. A few italians were living in Long Island at that time he said too. Now I think the Hispanics are moving into Long Island with the bastion of Italians that are already there.

People who live in the Bronx tend to move to suburbs in Westchester and points north or, in some cases, North Jersey.  Most don't move to Long Island or Brooklyn - the major Bronx roads and transit links point north, not east.  I'd bet a lot of the successful children of the Jewish residents on the Grand Concourse moved to places like Scarsdale and Rockland County when searching for greener pastures in the NYC metro.  As brittain33 said, some of the older folks died off or moved to Florida as the old Jewish neighborhoods turned more and more Hispanic.

Even today, there still is a sizeable Jewish community in the Riverdale section of the Northwest Bronx, along the Hudson River.

many of those Jews did move to Brooklyn, and for that matter I know a few that moved to Manhattan.

In short when they left they dispersed all over the place. I don't think Westchester had that much more then any where else.


Title: Re: any new yorkers on here know anything about the historical demographics
Post by: Smash255 on July 15, 2012, 05:31:18 pm
Not that complicated. Neighborhoods change. Has very little to do with Jewish people, in particular. People with the means don't want to live in a poor, high crime, high blight neighborhood like the Bronx after WWII. This is true for people of all religions. I don't think there are many Anglo Catholics left up there either. Similarly, the neighborhood my dad grew up in had a large Jewish population (for Memphis) in in the 1950s. Today, it's not an area one wants to spend a lot of time in. I don't buy the whole highway thing. There are plenty of very nice neighborhoods near highways. Including, as it happens, the current Jewish part of town in Memphis.

The highway thing was more about its impact on cutting up neighborhoods and displacing residents than simply being near a highway.  The people came first, than the highway which cut through neighborhoods.

As far as where they went, as has been mentioned you do have a sizeable Jewish population in the Riverdale section, .  I would say the highest concentration went to the northern suburbs,  but it was a bit all over the place.  Some went north, others went into Jersey, some into other parts of the city, some to LI, others down to Florida.


Title: Re: any new yorkers on here know anything about the historical demographics
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 15, 2012, 05:33:34 pm
People move. Americans especially.