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Title: What will be the closest state
Post by: The Mikado on July 20, 2012, 01:10:23 PM
Obviously, this depends on what the result is: if you vote N. Carolina you see Obama coasting and if you say Wisconsin then Mitt is clearly dominating.

I'm going to be cautious and say Virginia.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Supersonic on July 20, 2012, 01:12:08 PM
Virginia or Iowa. Probably Virginia.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Dereich on July 20, 2012, 01:13:37 PM
Virginia.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on July 20, 2012, 01:15:55 PM
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if you vote N. Carolina you see Obama coasting and if you say Wisconsin then Mitt is clearly dominating.

Kentucky.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on July 20, 2012, 01:41:03 PM
Wisconsin


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Napoleon on July 20, 2012, 01:44:36 PM


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on July 20, 2012, 01:46:13 PM
Florida


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Del Tachi on July 20, 2012, 01:46:35 PM
Oregon or New Mexico


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Warren 4 Secretary of Everything on July 20, 2012, 01:51:03 PM
It's gonna be either Iowa or Colorado. The Hispanic population cushions Obama in New Mexico and Nevada. There's been a consistent albeit narrow lead for the President in Ohio and Virginia. I think the housing crisis puts Florida somewhat out of reach, and the gay marriage thing will hurt in North Carolina along with lower black turnout. Iowa will be close along with Colorado,but I think Iowa goes for Romney and Colorado for Obama.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: mondale84 on July 20, 2012, 01:52:01 PM
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if you vote N. Carolina you see Obama coasting and if you say Wisconsin then Mitt is clearly dominating.

Kentucky.



I was thinking Mississippi :P


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 20, 2012, 01:52:55 PM
Either Alabama or New York.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 20, 2012, 01:57:07 PM
Iowa or Virginia. If Romney wins WI then he's already past 270.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: 5280 on July 20, 2012, 02:02:53 PM
Colorado and Virginia


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Zioneer on July 20, 2012, 02:05:05 PM
Virgina and Colorado, yeah.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on July 20, 2012, 02:12:01 PM
Colorado and Ohio either one of them can be put either candidate along side Iowa past the 270 vote mark.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: The Mikado on July 20, 2012, 02:14:51 PM
Iowa or Virginia. If Romney wins WI then he's already past 270.

Obviously, re the last part.  You'd pick WI if you think the election would be a big Romney win.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on July 20, 2012, 02:15:09 PM
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I was thinking Mississippi

Mitt "Cheezy Grits" will be competitive there, but I think Obama will just squeak him out on Kentucky.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Maxwell on July 20, 2012, 02:58:51 PM
Im thinking Florida.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Vosem on July 20, 2012, 03:05:41 PM
I'm thinking either Colorado or Ohio. There's no way to tell at all this far out from the election, of course.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Penelope on July 20, 2012, 03:09:04 PM
Virginia & North Carolina, OR Arizona, OR Wisconsin.

But probably VA/NC.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: krazen1211 on July 20, 2012, 03:21:16 PM


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Minnesota Mike on July 20, 2012, 04:59:03 PM
Missouri


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Sbane on July 20, 2012, 05:00:29 PM

You think Obama will lose?


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Sasquatch on July 20, 2012, 06:02:41 PM
Florida or Iowa


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Napoleon on July 20, 2012, 06:46:12 PM

Yes but I also think the trends in this particular state couldn't be clearer.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: WhyteRain on July 20, 2012, 07:12:38 PM
Since someone already said Oregon, I'll say Minnesota.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: NVGonzalez on July 20, 2012, 07:13:21 PM
Florida and NC.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: BaldEagle1991 on July 20, 2012, 07:30:25 PM
Florida and Virginia


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on July 20, 2012, 08:51:33 PM
It'll be Virginia. In fact, I think this state is the only potential stumbling block for Mitt.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Napoleon on July 20, 2012, 09:56:21 PM
Iowa or Virginia. If Romney wins WI then he's already past 270.

Obviously, re the last part.  You'd pick WI if you think the election would be a big Romney win.

I picked it but I don't think Mitt will have more than 280-290 EVs.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on July 20, 2012, 10:03:33 PM
Wow Nap, are you really that pessimistic? Anyway, I actually think it will be one of the two smaller states i consider "wild cards"--Nevada or New Hampshire. I have a hunch that Obama will take the former and Romney the latter. Based on polling and Obama's strategy, I suspect he'll do better in Ohio than Virginia, though which one of them is closer depends on who wins.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: greenforest32 on July 20, 2012, 10:08:04 PM


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: WhyteRain on July 20, 2012, 10:19:56 PM
Wow Nap, are you really that pessimistic? Anyway, I actually think it will be one of the two smaller states i consider "wild cards"--Nevada or New Hampshire. I have a hunch that Obama will take the former and Romney the latter. Based on polling and Obama's strategy, I suspect he'll do better in Ohio than Virginia, though which one of them is closer depends on who wins.

I think those could be good picks.  I still think Oregon and Minnesota are better.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on July 20, 2012, 10:46:11 PM
Right now Iowa, North Carolina, and Florida are likely to be the closest States.  Romney needs to change that to Ohio and Virgina if he hopes to win, and he has the time to change things, so this election is far from over.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: morgieb on July 20, 2012, 11:46:02 PM
Iowa, Virginia or Florida.

One of those three, IMO.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Sbane on July 21, 2012, 02:24:41 AM

The thing is that there could be a strong trend away from Obama and he could still win. He won it by 14 while winning nationally only by 7 so there is a lot of room for the trend to occur and not flip the state. I don't think the state flips unless Obama loses by about 2-3 points.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: ShadowRocket on July 21, 2012, 04:35:52 PM
Florida or Virginia.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Napoleon on July 21, 2012, 06:24:50 PM

The thing is that there could be a strong trend away from Obama and he could still win. He won it by 14 while winning nationally only by 7 so there is a lot of room for the trend to occur and not flip the state. I don't think the state flips unless Obama loses by about 2-3 points.

Im not saying it will flip though, and Ohio could end up closer than I expect as well.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Donerail on July 22, 2012, 08:06:28 AM
Florida, Virginia, or New Mexico.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Brittain33 on July 22, 2012, 09:04:40 AM
I vote for Ohio. The state has been pretty static in presidential races. Va is hard to predict and I can't see Obama winning FL under likely conditions (although I suppose he could lose narrowly).

LOL at Minnesota.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Brittain33 on July 22, 2012, 09:05:33 AM
In absolute numbers, it's very likely to be NH. But not by percentage.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Yelnoc on July 22, 2012, 12:37:16 PM
North Carolina.  The whole marriage amendment passed because the only people who turned out to vote were motivated by political pastors on the Sunday before the vote.  In the general election, the other half of the electorate will be out to vote.  Current polling shows the state sits on a razor thin margin, and I don't see that changing.  Obama's convention bump will obviously overly manifest itself in North Carolina, and on election day I doubt Romney will have rallied enough to overturn the Democratic advantage.  In other words, Obama will hold most of his 2008 states (sans Indiana and maybe even not Florida).


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Grumpier Than Thou on July 22, 2012, 03:37:01 PM


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: pbrower2a on July 22, 2012, 03:56:15 PM
Closest to the national average -- Ohio or Colorado. Such will hold for a bare Obama win or loss in the Electoral College.

220 EV for Obama -- Michigan or Pennsylvania.

250 EV for Obama -- Iowa or Wisconsin (shades of 2004)!

310 EV for Obama -- Florida.

370 EV for Obama -- Indiana or Missouri... maybe Arizona.

(Nobody has won between 57.1% (Truman 1948) and 65.3% (McKinley 1900) of the electoral vote since 1880, so if Mitt Romney sees himself losing  323-215 he is going to do some gambles and risk losing big or getting much closer. That is how John McCain acted in 2008, and he ended up losing badly by betting everything on Pennsylvania and losing a raft of states in the process.

400 for Obama -- Georgia or South Carolina.

410 to 450 EV for Obama -- Texas. 38 electoral votes in that state alone, a giant state with no good analogue.

Beyond that I can't make too many distinctions between the states.     




 


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Torie on July 22, 2012, 05:56:49 PM
I think WI is in the hunt for the closest state by percentage without a Mittens knock out punch, because I suspect it will trend Pub - just like Iowa. As to which state it actually will be, well that is idle speculation. I have no idea. It could be one of several mentioned.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: pepper11 on July 22, 2012, 07:55:12 PM
Minnesota. Narrow Obama win.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Comrade Funk on July 22, 2012, 08:00:05 PM
So...Minnesota is more a tossup than Virginia, Florida, or Ohio?

Virginia or Florida imo.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: pepper11 on July 22, 2012, 08:13:51 PM
So...Minnesota is more a tossup than Virginia, Florida, or Ohio?

Virginia or Florida imo.

The question has nothing to do with what you think the toss up states are now. The question asked what the closest state will be on election day. Its basically another way to ask how close you think the election is going to be. Right now Obama is probably up to 1-2 nationally. Based on that, I think Virginia would be the closest state. But as the national vote changes the "toss ups" change.  I expect the popular vote to swing to about Romney + 4 by election day.  That is a 10 point improvement compared to McCain. And McCain lost Minnesota by 10. So thats why I picked Minnesota.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: Comrade Funk on July 22, 2012, 08:22:25 PM
So...Minnesota is more a tossup than Virginia, Florida, or Ohio?

Virginia or Florida imo.

The question has nothing to do with what you think the toss up states are now. The question asked what the closest state will be on election day. Its basically another way to ask how close you think the election is going to be. Right now Obama is probably up to 1-2 nationally. Based on that, I think Virginia would be the closest state. But as the national vote changes the "toss ups" change.  I expect the popular vote to swing to about Romney + 4 by election day.  That is a 10 point improvement compared to McCain. And McCain lost Minnesota by 10. So thats why I picked Minnesota.
If Romney gains, I see PA being closer than MN. I guess we'll agree to disagree though.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on July 22, 2012, 10:28:27 PM
So...Minnesota is more a tossup than Virginia, Florida, or Ohio?

Virginia or Florida imo.

The question has nothing to do with what you think the toss up states are now. The question asked what the closest state will be on election day. Its basically another way to ask how close you think the election is going to be. Right now Obama is probably up to 1-2 nationally. Based on that, I think Virginia would be the closest state. But as the national vote changes the "toss ups" change.  I expect the popular vote to swing to about Romney + 4 by election day.  That is a 10 point improvement compared to McCain. And McCain lost Minnesota by 10. So thats why I picked Minnesota.
If Romney gains, I see PA being closer than MN. I guess we'll agree to disagree though.

While the early indications are that Romney will have a bigger swing in the Midwest than in the rest of the country, and Minnesota being a tossup in November is not impossible, if Minnesota is a tossup, Romney will at least 300 or so EV, and 350 or so is more likely.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: All Along The Watchtower on July 23, 2012, 12:01:54 PM
Ohio.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on July 23, 2012, 12:04:16 PM
FL, VA, or OH.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: solarstorm on July 23, 2012, 02:51:14 PM
I'd say New Hampshire for Romney and North Carolina for Obama.


Title: Re: What will be the closest state
Post by: afleitch on July 23, 2012, 02:52:48 PM
Missouri again.