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Title: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 20 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 27, 2012, 06:09:23 PM Ladies, gentlemen, multi-sex, undecided or robot, welcome to this survivor ! :)
() () () () () () Series 1 (2005) 4-5. Aliens of London (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens_of_London) / World War Three (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_Three_(Doctor_Who)) 6. Dalek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalek_(Doctor_Who_episode)) 7. The Long Game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Game) 8. Father's Day (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father%27s_Day_(Doctor_Who)) 9-10. The Empty Child (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Empty_Child) / The Doctor Dances (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Doctor_Dances) 12-13. Bad Wolf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Wolf) / The Parting of the Ways (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Parting_of_the_Ways) Series 2 (2006) 4. The Girl in the Fireplace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Girl_in_the_Fireplace) 5-6. Rise of the Cybermen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rise_of_the_Cybermen) / The Age of Steel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Age_of_Steel) 8-9. The Impossible Planet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Impossible_Planet) / The Satan Pit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satan_Pit) 12-13. Army of Ghosts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_Ghosts) / Doomsday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_(Doctor_Who)) Series 3 (2007) 1. Smith and Jones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_and_Jones_(Doctor_Who)) 3. Gridlock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gridlock_(Doctor_Who)) 7. 42 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42_(Doctor_Who)) 8-9. Human Nature (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Nature_(Doctor_Who_episode)) / The Family of Blood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_of_Blood) 10. Blink (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_(Doctor_Who)) 11-12-13. Utopia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia_(Doctor_Who)) / The Sound of Drums (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sound_of_Drums) / Last of the Time Lords (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_of_the_Time_Lords) Series 4 (2008) 2. The Fires of Pompeii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fires_of_Pompeii) 3. Planet of the Ood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_of_the_Ood) Immunized Round 18 4-5. The Sontaran Stratagem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sontaran_Stratagem) / The Poison Sky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Poison_Sky) 6. The Doctor's Daughter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Doctor%27s_Daughter) 8-9. Silence in the Library (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silence_in_the_Library) / Forest of the Dead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_of_the_Dead) 10. Midnight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_(Doctor_Who)) 11. Turn Left (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_Left_(Doctor_Who)) Immunized Round 6 12-13. The Stolen Earth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stolen_Earth) / Journey's End (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey%27s_End_(Doctor_Who)) Immunized Round 12 Special episodes Xmas 2005 The Christmas Invasion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Christmas_Invasion) Xmas 2006 The Runaway Bride (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Runaway_Bride_(Doctor_Who)) Xmas 2007 Voyage of the Damned (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyage_of_the_Damned_(Doctor_Who)) Easter 2009 Planet of the Dead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_of_the_Dead) Nov. 2009 The Waters of Mars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Waters_of_Mars) Xmas/NY 2009-10 The End of Time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_Time) Rules The principles of this games are simple : at each round, we will vote to eliminate one episode. The classical rule is that everybody has one vote to eliminate, but there can be variations from time to time. Rounds generally last around 24 hours, but can be extended if necessary to let people vote. This survivor is composed of 46 episodes (note : episodes in two or more parts are counted as a single episode, so for example you can't vote to eliminate "The Sontaran Stratagem" only without also ousting "The Poison Sky"). Phase I will consist in eliminating the first 30 episodes. During each round, you are free to choose whatever episode you want to eliminate, with the exception that at least 3 episodes of each series (and two specials) must ascend to phase II. That means, when there are only 3 episodes left in the series, you can't oust them. Every five normal rounds (that is, on round 6, 12, 18, 24 and 30), there will also be an immunity round. During such rounds, the vote will not consist in eliminating, but rather in "saving" an episode : if selected, the episode will be protected from elimination until the end of Phase I. Like for elimination, not more than 3 episodes can be immunized in the same series (2 in specials). All right, enough talking ! Round 1 begins ! Have fun. :) Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 1 Post by: Redalgo on July 27, 2012, 06:36:06 PM Oh shucks... well, let's begin with, "Turn Left."
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 1 Post by: patrick1 on July 27, 2012, 07:13:35 PM In honor of the 2012 Olympics theme, vote out Fear Her. Sub-par.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 1 Post by: Associate Justice PiT on July 27, 2012, 07:59:02 PM Fear Her. It could have been So Bad It's Good, but it ended up missing that boat by a good margin.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 1 Post by: dead0man on July 27, 2012, 11:20:37 PM Voyage of the Damned
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 1 Post by: patrick1 on July 27, 2012, 11:22:24 PM Voyage of the Damned Boo, that one is worth keeping around for a few rounds if only for Minogue's legs. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 1 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 28, 2012, 04:03:31 AM The Unquiet Dead
The only interesting thing was the Doctor's admiration of Dickens. Otherwise, it's all quite forgettable. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 1 Post by: bore on July 28, 2012, 06:10:05 AM Fear her, on so many different levels.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 1 Post by: Silent Hunter on July 28, 2012, 07:06:39 AM Love & Monsters.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 1 Post by: afleitch on July 28, 2012, 09:53:51 AM Fear Her.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 1 Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 28, 2012, 10:56:57 AM Daleks in Manhattan
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 1 Post by: Dereich on July 29, 2012, 01:48:10 AM Love and Monsters. Worst episode ever.
Title: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 2 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 29, 2012, 03:31:16 AM Fear Her : 4
Love & Monsters : 2 Turn Left : 1 Voyage of the Damned : 1 The Unquiet Dead : 1 Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks : 1 Eliminated : Series 2 - Episode 11 () Aired 24 June 2006 () () () () () Quote The Doctor: I was a dad once. Rose: What did you say? Round 2 begins. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 2 Post by: Silent Hunter on July 29, 2012, 03:49:20 AM Love & Monsters.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 2 Post by: patrick1 on July 29, 2012, 06:13:04 AM Despite some good ELO tunes, Love & Monsters be gone.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 2 Post by: bore on July 29, 2012, 12:13:08 PM Journey's end for me, the first part is quite good but the ending is just awful.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 2 Post by: afleitch on July 29, 2012, 12:14:56 PM Gridlock.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 2 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 29, 2012, 12:36:03 PM The Unquiet Dead
Can't resolve myself to vote Love & Monsters already. It's definitely subpar, but I quite like the dissonance between its unusually light/childish tone and the fact the story ends up being one of the saddest of the series. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 2 Post by: Associate Justice PiT on July 29, 2012, 11:06:26 PM I vote to eliminate Daleks In Manhattan, due to its large role in the villain decay of the Daleks. The Cult of Skaro deserved something more dignified than this.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 2 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 30, 2012, 04:07:46 AM Nobody else ? C'mon people ! :(
Pit : You didn't like Daleks in Manhattan ? It might well be my favorite Dalek episode ever, with the very original idea of giving the Daleks a chance to redeem themselves and become better creatures thanks to humanity. The fact it ends up in such a tragic way, in particular regarding Dalek Sec, the only "lucid" Dalek to have ever existed, makes the ending particularly moving. I've also liked Talullah and Laszlo's romance. :P Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 2 Post by: Associate Justice PiT on July 30, 2012, 05:04:22 AM I thought the Daleks had a certain charm as implacable killing machines. It's a nice break from the complexity of real life, if you will. :P That four Daleks were stuck hiding under Manhattan (a fact that was pointed out, even) was humiliating to them and made them seem less threatening in the long run. I thought it was a good story on its own terms, but I didn't like the effect it had on the greater saga.
Ultimately, I concede that it may not be fair to blame any one story for the recent decline of the Daleks. Overall, they were just used too often. Any tack that would let them stay menacing in spite of such frequent appearances would probably be too pessimistic to work in Doctor Who. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 2 Post by: afleitch on July 30, 2012, 05:21:07 AM I thought the Daleks had a certain charm as implacable killing machines. It's a nice break from the complexity of real life, if you will. :P That four Daleks were stuck hiding under Manhattan (a fact that was pointed out, even) was humiliating to them and made them seem less threatening in the long run. I thought it was a good story on its own terms, but I didn't like the effect it had on the greater saga. Ultimately, I concede that it may not be fair to blame any one story for the recent decline of the Daleks. Overall, they were just used too often. Any tack that would let them stay menacing in spite of such frequent appearances would probably be too pessimistic to work in Doctor Who. I agree. As a villain they really have ceased to be villainous (and this goes back to the 80's). One Dalek is not particualrly frightening and neither is a million; it's hard to get a happy medium - 'Dalek' got it balanced well. Moffat has been wise to 'retire' the Dalek's though the first episode of the new series will feature every Dalek there has ever been so who knows if it will be a bit of a re-invention. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 2 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 30, 2012, 05:59:59 AM I thought the Daleks had a certain charm as implacable killing machines. It's a nice break from the complexity of real life, if you will. :P That four Daleks were stuck hiding under Manhattan (a fact that was pointed out, even) was humiliating to them and made them seem less threatening in the long run. I thought it was a good story on its own terms, but I didn't like the effect it had on the greater saga. Ultimately, I concede that it may not be fair to blame any one story for the recent decline of the Daleks. Overall, they were just used too often. Any tack that would let them stay menacing in spite of such frequent appearances would probably be too pessimistic to work in Doctor Who. I agree. As a villain they really have ceased to be villainous (and this goes back to the 80's). One Dalek is not particualrly frightening and neither is a million; it's hard to get a happy medium - 'Dalek' got it balanced well. Moffat has been wise to 'retire' the Dalek's though the first episode of the new series will feature every Dalek there has ever been so who knows if it will be a bit of a re-invention. Well, personally, having watched only the new series I must say I have never found the Daleks particularly terrifying (except in "Dalek", by the point you see how terrified the Doctor himself is). They have long been overshadowed by the Angels, the Vashta Nerada, the Midnight thing or the Silence in terms of creepiness. IMO, the Daleks are in the show as a metaphor of evil and inhumanity. They don't need to be terrifying, they might even look utterly pathetic (the "do not blaspheme" bit in Doomsday is perfect in that regard). The remnants of the Skaro Cult in Daleks in Manhattan is a way to point out why the Daleks fail : because their conviction that dalekness equals perfection prevents them from evolving like every species does. And when one of them finally tries to, he ends up being rejected by his former mates (which he is genuinely trying to help). I thinks this story tells a lot of truth about fanaticism and hatred of difference, and is magnificently tragic this way. Title: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 3 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 30, 2012, 06:02:06 AM Love & Monsters : 2
The Stolen Earth/Journey's End : 1 Gridlock : 1 The Unquiet Dead : 1 Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks : 1 Eliminated : Series 2 - Episode 10 () Aired 17 June 2006 () () () () Quote Rose: You upset my mum. Elton: Great big absorbing creature from outer space, and you're having a go at me? Rose: No one upsets my mum. Victor: At last. The greatest feast of all. The Doctor. The Doctor: What's this thing? A sort Absorbatrix? Absorba... clon? Absorbaloff? Victor: Absorbaloff, yes. Rose: Is it me or is he a bit... Slitheen? The Doctor: Not from Raxacorricofallapatorius, are you? Victor: No! I'm not the swine! I SPIT on them! I was born on their twin planet. The Doctor: Really? What's the twin planet of Raxacorricofallapatorius? Victor: Clom. The Doctor: Clom. Victor: Clom. Quote The Doctor: Sweet... maybe. Passionate... I suppose. But don't ever mistake that for nice. Quote Elton: So, there you go. Turns out I've had the most terrible things happen. And the most brilliant things. And sometimes - well - I can't tell the difference. They're all the same thing. They're... they're just me. You know, Stephen King said once, he said... "salvation and damnation are the same thing". And I never knew what he meant. But I do now. 'Cos the Doctor might be wonderful, but thinking back... I was having such a special time. Just for a bit. I had this nice little gang. And they were destroyed. It's not his fault. But maybe that's what happens if you touch the Doctor. Even for a second. I keep thinking of Rose and Jackie. And how much longer before they pay the price. Round 3 begins. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 3 Post by: Silent Hunter on July 30, 2012, 07:42:01 AM Boom Town. Worst episode of 2005.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 3 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 30, 2012, 08:15:59 AM OK, let's go with Boom town.
I hope people don't forget about this. Where have all the first round voters gone ? :( Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 3 Post by: Dereich on July 30, 2012, 08:42:40 AM WHAT? I loved Boom town! How about....The Idiot's Lantern. Series 2 had a bunch of stinkers.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 3 Post by: bore on July 30, 2012, 09:57:22 AM I enjoyed Boom town as well, so I'll go with the idiots lantern.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 3 Post by: Redalgo on July 30, 2012, 11:08:08 AM The Idiot's Lantern
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 3 Post by: afleitch on July 30, 2012, 03:09:38 PM Boom Town was great.
Gridlock. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 3 Post by: Associate Justice PiT on July 30, 2012, 03:11:19 PM I don't have strong feelings about either episode, so I'll just go with Daleks In Manhattan again.
I thought the Daleks had a certain charm as implacable killing machines. It's a nice break from the complexity of real life, if you will. :P That four Daleks were stuck hiding under Manhattan (a fact that was pointed out, even) was humiliating to them and made them seem less threatening in the long run. I thought it was a good story on its own terms, but I didn't like the effect it had on the greater saga. Ultimately, I concede that it may not be fair to blame any one story for the recent decline of the Daleks. Overall, they were just used too often. Any tack that would let them stay menacing in spite of such frequent appearances would probably be too pessimistic to work in Doctor Who. I agree. As a villain they really have ceased to be villainous (and this goes back to the 80's). One Dalek is not particualrly frightening and neither is a million; it's hard to get a happy medium - 'Dalek' got it balanced well. Moffat has been wise to 'retire' the Dalek's though the first episode of the new series will feature every Dalek there has ever been so who knows if it will be a bit of a re-invention. Well, personally, having watched only the new series I must say I have never found the Daleks particularly terrifying (except in "Dalek", by the point you see how terrified the Doctor himself is). They have long been overshadowed by the Angels, the Vashta Nerada, the Midnight thing or the Silence in terms of creepiness. IMO, the Daleks are in the show as a metaphor of evil and inhumanity. They don't need to be terrifying, they might even look utterly pathetic (the "do not blaspheme" bit in Doomsday is perfect in that regard). The remnants of the Skaro Cult in Daleks in Manhattan is a way to point out why the Daleks fail : because their conviction that dalekness equals perfection prevents them from evolving like every species does. And when one of them finally tries to, he ends up being rejected by his former mates (which he is genuinely trying to help). I thinks this story tells a lot of truth about fanaticism and hatred of difference, and is magnificently tragic this way. The thing is, the Daleks are built up to be a genuine menace in canon. They fought on equal terms with the Time Lords (& were implied to have been winning the Time War) and a small number of Daleks can easily defeat a large force of humans and Cybermen. While they are quite goofy (seriously, they have a plunger for an arm) and seriously flawed in their world view, they are also meant to be seen as formidable fighters. In reality, most enemies that the Doctor faces are essentially bugs that he doesn't just squash outright due to his strong sense of morality. The way he dresses down the Vashta Nerada when they try to threaten him at the end of Forest of the Dead reinforces that fact. The difference with the Daleks is that they (& the Master too, for that matter) can actually challenge the Doctor on equal terms. That the Daleks are so privileged in the story canon and yet command so little awe from the viewing audience is a waste of character potential. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 3 Post by: patrick1 on July 30, 2012, 04:05:03 PM Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks, worst accent ever!!!
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 3 Post by: dead0man on July 30, 2012, 10:55:03 PM Voyage of the Damned
Title: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 4 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 31, 2012, 06:08:01 AM The Idiot's Lantern : 3
Boom Town : 2 Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks : 2 Gridlock : 1 Voyage of the Damned : 1 Eliminated : Series 2 - Episode 7 () Aired 27 May 2006 () () () () Quote Eddie: Now you listen here, Doctor! You may have fancy qualifications, but what goes on under my roof is my business! The Doctor: All the people are being bundled into- Eddie: I AM TALKING! The Doctor: And I'm not listening! Now you, Mr Connolly, are staring into a deep, dark PIT of trouble if you don't let me help. So I'm ordering you - SIR! - to tell me what's going on! Quote The Doctor: In the street. They left her in the street. They took her face and just chucked her out and left her in the street. And as a result, that makes things... simple. Very, very simple. Do you know why? D. I. Bishop: No... The Doctor: Because NOW, Detective Inspector Bishop, there is no power on this Earth that can stop me. Quote Rita: You go, Tommy. You go with the Doctor and do some good. Get away from this house. It's poison. We had a ruddy monster under this roof, all right, but it weren't my mother! Quote Rose: Will it... that thing... is it trapped for good - on video? The Doctor: Hope so. Just to be on the safe side though, I'll use my unrivaled knowledge of trans temporal extirpation methods to neutralise the residual electronic pattern. Rose: You what? The Doctor: I'm going to tape over it. Round 4 begins. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 4 Post by: afleitch on July 31, 2012, 07:10:00 AM It's been a bad run for Series 2 which I guess is to be expected. I'm going to vote out the Lazarus Experiment from Series 3 as I tend to skip it when watching the series again.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 4 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 31, 2012, 07:56:13 AM Yeah, I think the focus on series 2 has been a bit excessive. ;)
Now, I'm going with The Unquiet Dead. Can someone tell me why it is still there ? It had nothing much interesting. The Lazarus experiment had, by the end, a really beautiful dialogue between Lazarus and the Doctor about life and death. The thing is, the Daleks are built up to be a genuine menace in canon. They fought on equal terms with the Time Lords (& were implied to have been winning the Time War) and a small number of Daleks can easily defeat a large force of humans and Cybermen. While they are quite goofy (seriously, they have a plunger for an arm) and seriously flawed in their world view, they are also meant to be seen as formidable fighters. In reality, most enemies that the Doctor faces are essentially bugs that he doesn't just squash outright due to his strong sense of morality. The way he dresses down the Vashta Nerada when they try to threaten him at the end of Forest of the Dead reinforces that fact. The difference with the Daleks is that they (& the Master too, for that matter) can actually challenge the Doctor on equal terms. That the Daleks are so privileged in the story canon and yet command so little awe from the viewing audience is a waste of character potential. I don't think the dangerousness of the Daleks has been downplayed in the series overall. Sure, they have their own truly pathetic moments (and yeah, Daleks in Manhattan is particularly full of these moments), but this (at least in my view) doesn't make them any less impressive when they show all their force. The best example is the expression on the faces of Jack, Martha, Sarah Jane and the others when they hear the Daleks' "message to humanity" in The Stolen Earth. As soon as they hear it, they know there's nothing they can do. And we're talking about the doctor's bravest and most determined companions. Sure, one of the reason they freak out is because the Doctor is seemingly unreachable, but still. Others enemies could be handled without the Doctor by such a badass team, but not the Daleks. As for the Doctor himself, his tendency to act in a nonchalant and mocking way doesn't mean he does not fear them. It happens a couple times that his true feelings toward the Daleks are made evident : in Dalek, of course, but also in every other Dalek episode to some extent. And, remember, they came very close to winning several times (in The Parting of the Ways they were only stopped by a nigh-almighty Rose, and in Journey's End, they just made the mistake not to care about Donna - but how could they have known that she had become part-timelord ?). And in Evolution of the Daleks itself, the Doctor himself at some point was genuinely resigned to their victory, to the point when he was offering himself to them to be killed. Of course, the problem with the Daleks is that they always come back, get their ass kicked, then come back again, etc. But after all, the same happens to the Master as well (even though his appearances have been made scarcer in the new series). Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 4 Post by: Redalgo on July 31, 2012, 10:38:15 AM Yeah, I may as well go along with Antonio on this one. I'm picking The Unquiet Dead.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 4 Post by: Silent Hunter on July 31, 2012, 01:30:14 PM I'm going with Boom Town.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 4 Post by: Associate Justice PiT on July 31, 2012, 02:41:00 PM I liked The Lazarus Experiment. I'll vote The Unquiet Dead for now, so Lazarus will be safe to suck fluids another day.
The thing is, the Daleks are built up to be a genuine menace in canon. They fought on equal terms with the Time Lords (& were implied to have been winning the Time War) and a small number of Daleks can easily defeat a large force of humans and Cybermen. While they are quite goofy (seriously, they have a plunger for an arm) and seriously flawed in their world view, they are also meant to be seen as formidable fighters. In reality, most enemies that the Doctor faces are essentially bugs that he doesn't just squash outright due to his strong sense of morality. The way he dresses down the Vashta Nerada when they try to threaten him at the end of Forest of the Dead reinforces that fact. The difference with the Daleks is that they (& the Master too, for that matter) can actually challenge the Doctor on equal terms. That the Daleks are so privileged in the story canon and yet command so little awe from the viewing audience is a waste of character potential. I don't think the dangerousness of the Daleks has been downplayed in the series overall. Sure, they have their own truly pathetic moments (and yeah, Daleks in Manhattan is particularly full of these moments), but this (at least in my view) doesn't make them any less impressive when they show all their force. The best example is the expression on the faces of Jack, Martha, Sarah Jane and the others when they hear the Daleks' "message to humanity" in The Stolen Earth. As soon as they hear it, they know there's nothing they can do. And we're talking about the doctor's bravest and most determined companions. Sure, one of the reason they freak out is because the Doctor is seemingly unreachable, but still. Others enemies could be handled without the Doctor by such a badass team, but not the Daleks. As for the Doctor himself, his tendency to act in a nonchalant and mocking way doesn't mean he does not fear them. It happens a couple times that his true feelings toward the Daleks are made evident : in Dalek, of course, but also in every other Dalek episode to some extent. And, remember, they came very close to winning several times (in The Parting of the Ways they were only stopped by a nigh-almighty Rose, and in Journey's End, they just made the mistake not to care about Donna - but how could they have known that she had become part-timelord ?). And in Evolution of the Daleks itself, the Doctor himself at some point was genuinely resigned to their victory, to the point when he was offering himself to them to be killed. Of course, the problem with the Daleks is that they always come back, get their ass kicked, then come back again, etc. But after all, the same happens to the Master as well (even though his appearances have been made scarcer in the new series). Which gets to my point. The Daleks are generally built up to be a grave threat. However, their constant appearances and rapid exterminations at the hands of the Doctor makes it hard for the audience to take them seriously and wastes the work of building them up. Between the pointlessness of the millions of Daleks that appeared at the end of Doomsday and the sheer ineffectualness of the Cult of Skaro in Daleks in Manhattan (who really would have had no difficulty just conquering the world), the middle of Davies's run was a real low point for the threat of the Daleks. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 4 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 31, 2012, 03:56:26 PM The thing is, the Daleks are built up to be a genuine menace in canon. They fought on equal terms with the Time Lords (& were implied to have been winning the Time War) and a small number of Daleks can easily defeat a large force of humans and Cybermen. While they are quite goofy (seriously, they have a plunger for an arm) and seriously flawed in their world view, they are also meant to be seen as formidable fighters. In reality, most enemies that the Doctor faces are essentially bugs that he doesn't just squash outright due to his strong sense of morality. The way he dresses down the Vashta Nerada when they try to threaten him at the end of Forest of the Dead reinforces that fact. The difference with the Daleks is that they (& the Master too, for that matter) can actually challenge the Doctor on equal terms. That the Daleks are so privileged in the story canon and yet command so little awe from the viewing audience is a waste of character potential. I don't think the dangerousness of the Daleks has been downplayed in the series overall. Sure, they have their own truly pathetic moments (and yeah, Daleks in Manhattan is particularly full of these moments), but this (at least in my view) doesn't make them any less impressive when they show all their force. The best example is the expression on the faces of Jack, Martha, Sarah Jane and the others when they hear the Daleks' "message to humanity" in The Stolen Earth. As soon as they hear it, they know there's nothing they can do. And we're talking about the doctor's bravest and most determined companions. Sure, one of the reason they freak out is because the Doctor is seemingly unreachable, but still. Others enemies could be handled without the Doctor by such a badass team, but not the Daleks. As for the Doctor himself, his tendency to act in a nonchalant and mocking way doesn't mean he does not fear them. It happens a couple times that his true feelings toward the Daleks are made evident : in Dalek, of course, but also in every other Dalek episode to some extent. And, remember, they came very close to winning several times (in The Parting of the Ways they were only stopped by a nigh-almighty Rose, and in Journey's End, they just made the mistake not to care about Donna - but how could they have known that she had become part-timelord ?). And in Evolution of the Daleks itself, the Doctor himself at some point was genuinely resigned to their victory, to the point when he was offering himself to them to be killed. Of course, the problem with the Daleks is that they always come back, get their ass kicked, then come back again, etc. But after all, the same happens to the Master as well (even though his appearances have been made scarcer in the new series). Which gets to my point. The Daleks are generally built up to be a grave threat. However, their constant appearances and rapid exterminations at the hands of the Doctor makes it hard for the audience to take them seriously and wastes the work of building them up. Between the pointlessness of the millions of Daleks that appeared at the end of Doomsday and the sheer ineffectualness of the Cult of Skaro in Daleks in Manhattan (who really would have had no difficulty just conquering the world), the middle of Davies's run was a real low point for the threat of the Daleks. Yeah, I admit that's a huge plot hole in that episode. The Daleks, if as powerful as usual, certainly didn't need to hide. This probably can be justified in some way, like the "emergency time-travel" device consuming an insane amount of energy and leaving them near powerless, but you're right that this has been a low point in the Dalek's image. Still, I don't think that's near enough to dislike Daleks in Manhattan, because it's still an amazing story. :) Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 4 Post by: Silent Hunter on July 31, 2012, 03:57:22 PM Daleks are hugely potent in the early Nation stories - especially the (mostly lost, but still on audio) "The Dalek's Master Plan".
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 4 Post by: patrick1 on July 31, 2012, 04:00:58 PM Daleks In Manhattan.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 4 Post by: bore on July 31, 2012, 04:22:08 PM The Unquiet dead
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 4 Post by: Dereich on July 31, 2012, 07:52:13 PM I'd agree that both the Lazarus Experiment, Daleks in Manhattan, and the Unquiet Dead are bad episodes, but I just re-watched series 1 and remember how much I dislike it, so:
The Unquiet Dead. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 4 Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 01, 2012, 02:01:15 AM Yeah, I admit that's a huge plot hole in that episode. The Daleks, if as powerful as usual, certainly didn't need to hide. This probably can be justified in some way, like the "emergency time-travel" device consuming an insane amount of energy and leaving them near powerless, but you're right that this has been a low point in the Dalek's image. Still, I don't think that's near enough to dislike Daleks in Manhattan, because it's still an amazing story. :) I think it's something we'll have to agree to disagree on. I love the Daleks as villains, but the sheer number of Dalek stories and the specific flaws I mentioned about those episodes really sort of hampered my enjoyment of Dalek stories in general. Actually, I could talk about similar flaws in Journey's End as well. I notice that that one already got a vote in an earlier round. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 4 Post by: Platypus on August 01, 2012, 02:17:09 AM The Lazarus Experiment is memorable, but a bit rubbish. The Unquiet Dead was a bit meh and I had to look it up to remember which one it was. I like Gridlock, neutral on Boom Town.
So, I'll vote for The Unquiet Dead, but happy enough to vote out Lazarus soon. Title: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 5 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 01, 2012, 05:48:29 AM The Unquiet Dead : 6
The Lazarus Experiment : 1 Boom Town : 1 Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks : 1 Eliminated : Series 1 - Episode 3 () Aired 9 April 2005 () () () () Quote The Doctor: Dickens? Dickens: Yes. The Doctor: Charles Dickens? Dickens: Yes. The Doctor: THE Charles Dickens? Driver: Shall I remove the gentleman, sir? The Doctor: Charles Dickens! You're brilliant, you are! Completely 100% brilliant! I've read 'em all! Great Expectations, Oliver Twist and what's the other one, the one with the ghost? Dickens: A Christmas Carol? The Doctor: No, no, no, the one with the trains... The Signal Man, that's it, terrifying! The best short story ever written! You're a genius! Driver: You want me to get rid of him, sir? Dickens: Er, no, I think he can stay. The Doctor: Honestly, Charles - can I call you Charles? I'm such a big fan. Dickens: ...what? A what? The Doctor: Fan! Number One Fan, that's me. Dickens: How exactly are you a fan? In what way do you resemble a means of keeping oneself cool? The Doctor: No, it means 'Fanatic', devoted to. Mind you, I've gotta say, that American bit in Martin Chuzzlewit, what was that about?! Was that just padding or what? I mean, it's rubbish, that bit. Dickens: I thought you said you were my fan. The Doctor: Ah, well, if you can't take criticism... Quote Gwyneth: You're from London. I've seen London in drawings, but never like that. All those people rushing about. Half naked, for shame. And the noise... and the metal boxes racing past... and the birds in the sky... they're metal as well. Metal birds with people in them. People flying. And you - you've flown so far, further than anyone! The things you've seen... the darkness... the big bad wolf--... I'm sorry! I'm sorry, miss! Quote The Doctor: What about me? I saw the fall of Troy! World War Five! I pushed boxes at the Boston Tea Party, now I'm going to die in a dungeon! In Cardiff! Quote Dickens: Oh, my soul. Doctor, it's one riddle after another with you. But after all these revelations, there's one mystery you still haven't explained. Answer me this - who are you? The Doctor: Just a friend. Passing through. Dickens: But you have such knowledge of future times. I don't wish to impose on you, but I must ask you. My books. Doctor - do they last? The Doctor: Oh, yes! Dickens: For how long? The Doctor: Forever! Round 5 begins. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 5 Post by: Platypus on August 01, 2012, 09:10:19 AM The Doctor and the wardrobe or whatever isn't in the competition, so I vote Turn Left instead.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 5 Post by: Silent Hunter on August 01, 2012, 10:47:56 AM I again vote Boom Town.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 5 Post by: patrick1 on August 01, 2012, 12:37:58 PM Daleks in Manhattan
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 5 Post by: Penelope on August 01, 2012, 01:28:24 PM The Lazarus Experiment
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 5 Post by: Dereich on August 01, 2012, 01:30:15 PM I liked Turn Left, I liked the idea of seeing the effects of the alien madness on Earth when the Docto wasn't there and it was hard-hitting emotionally, at least to me.
Daleks in Manhattan is just silly, so I'll vote for that. Also, anyone else realize that Daleks only really appeared as actual characters in one episode (Victory of the Daleks) of the Moffat era? In The Big Bang and The Wedding of River Song they were more tools to propel the plot forward then the much-beloved Nazi allegories of old. I don't think that Moffat has the same sort of nostalgia for the old Doctor Who villians that RTD had. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 5 Post by: bore on August 01, 2012, 04:48:19 PM 42
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 5 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 01, 2012, 05:32:41 PM Oh crap... I'd vote anything to save Daleks in Manhattan.
Let's try Boom Town again. I don't dislike it, but it's definitely subpar compared to last two thirds of season 1. Also, anyone else realize that Daleks only really appeared as actual characters in one episode (Victory of the Daleks) of the Moffat era? In The Big Bang and The Wedding of River Song they were more tools to propel the plot forward then the much-beloved Nazi allegories of old. I don't think that Moffat has the same sort of nostalgia for the old Doctor Who villians that RTD had. Yeah, Moffat doesn't seem to be a huge fan of the Daleks. Or maybe he just wants to let them rest a bit, so that next time they appear it will be more sudden. But I don't like the way he treated them in The Pandorica Opens. The Daleks will not, ever, ally with any other species. Even if it's in order to beat the doctor. They are supposed to consider any other living being as an abomination whose sole existence is inherently immoral. Anyways, I for one generally like the treatment of the Daleks by R T Davies. Maybe that's because I don't know the old series... Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 5 Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 01, 2012, 05:55:25 PM Daleks In Manhattan
Also, anyone else realize that Daleks only really appeared as actual characters in one episode (Victory of the Daleks) of the Moffat era? In The Big Bang and The Wedding of River Song they were more tools to propel the plot forward then the much-beloved Nazi allegories of old. I don't think that Moffat has the same sort of nostalgia for the old Doctor Who villians that RTD had. Yeah, Moffat doesn't seem to be a huge fan of the Daleks. Or maybe he just wants to let them rest a bit, so that next time they appear it will be more sudden. But I don't like the way he treated them in The Pandorica Opens. The Daleks will not, ever, ally with any other species. Even if it's in order to beat the doctor. They are supposed to consider any other living being as an abomination whose sole existence is inherently immoral. Anyways, I for one generally like the treatment of the Daleks by R T Davies. Maybe that's because I don't know the old series... I heard that he was letting them rest so they'd be "fresher", which is a notion that I agree with. Then again, he did have them appear briefly in The Big Bang and The Wedding of River Song to do basically nothing but get trashed by River Song and the Doctor respectively. So who knows. Daleks sometimes do form temporary alliances to further their own ends (like enlisting the foreman in Daleks In Manhattan, actually). The trick is that they think absolutely nothing of betraying their partners when they decide that they are no longer useful. The thing that really bothered me in The Pandorica Opens was the sheer number of species who probably hadn't met the Doctor yet and couldn't travel through time. It's like we were meant to think that the Daleks bothered to bring back species like the Weevils, Judoon, Sontarans, &c. who were vastly inferior on a technological level and could serve no purpose but to stand there and look threatening. If it were up to me, the Daleks would have captured the Doctor themselves. Use an electrical holding field or something. Allow the Daleks to actually win something for once, since it ultimately wouldn't matter. It'd help their image out. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 5 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 01, 2012, 06:24:58 PM Uh oh, looks like Daleks in Manhattan is screwed. :(
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 5 Post by: dead0man on August 02, 2012, 12:49:13 AM Boom Town
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 5 Post by: afleitch on August 02, 2012, 08:24:09 AM Daleks in Manhattan. It's not a bad episode, but I like Boom Town :)
Title: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 6 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 02, 2012, 08:30:10 AM Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks : 4
Boom Town : 3 Turn Left : 1 The Lazarus Experiment : 1 42 : 1 Eliminated : Series 3 - Episodes 4-5 () () Aired 21-28 April 2007 () () () () () () () () () () () () Quote Solomon: We’re all starvin’. We all got families somewhere. No stealin’ and no fightin’. You know the rules. Thirteen years ago I fought in the Great War. A lot of us did. And the only reason we got through was because we stuck together! No matter how bad things get, we still act like human beings. It’s all we got. Quote Solomon: But tell me, Doctor, you’re a man of learning, right? Explain this to me. That there’s going to be the tallest building in the world. How come they can do that, and we got people starving in the heart of Manhattan? Quote Dalek: This day is ending. Humankind is weak. You shelter from the dark. And yet, you have built all this. Diagoras: That’s progress. Ya gotta move with the times or you get left behind. Dalek: My planet is gone, destroyed in a great war, yet versions of this city strand throughout history. The human race always continues. Diagoras: We’ve had wars. I’ve been a soldier myself. I swore then I’d survive, no matter what. Dalek: You have rare ambition. Diagoras: I’m gonna run this city, whatever it takes, by any means necessary. Dalek: You think like a Dalek. Diagoras: I’ll take that as a compliment. Quote Dalek Sec: I am Dalek in human form. The Doctor: What does it feel like? You can talk to me, Dalek Sec. It is Dalek Sec, isn’t it? That’s your name? You’ve got a name and a mind of your own. Tell me what you’re thinking right now. Dalek Sec: I…feel…humanity. The Doctor: Good. That’s good. Dalek Sec: I…feel…everything we wanted from mankind, which is ambition, hatred, aggression and war. Such…a genius for war. The Doctor: No, that’s not what humanity means. Dalek Sec: I think it does. At heart, this species is so very…Dalek. Quote Solomon: I’m told that I’m addressin’ the Daleks, is that right? From what I hear, you’re outcasts, too. The Doctor: Solomon, don’t. Solomon: Doctor, this is my township, you will respect my authority. Just let me try. [to the Daleks] Daleks…ain’t we all the same? Underneath, ain’t we all kin? ‘Cause, see, I’ve just discovered this past day God’s universe is a thousand times the size I thought it was. And that scares me. Oh, yeah. Terrifies me. Right down to the bone. But it’s got to give me hope…hope that maybe together we can make a better tomorrow. So I…I beg you now if you have any compassion in your hearts then you’ll meet with us and stop this fight. Well…what do you say? Dalek: Exterminate! Quote Dalek Sec: Consider a pure Dalek; intelligent but emotionless. The Doctor: Removing the emotions makes you stronger. That’s what your creator thought all those years ago. Dalek Sec: He was wrong. The Doctor: He was what? Dalek Sec: It makes us lesser than our enemies. We must return to the flesh. And also…the heart. The Doctor: You wouldn’t be the supreme beings anymore. Dalek Sec: And that is good. Dalek 1: That is incorrect. Dalek 2: Daleks are supreme. Dalek Sec: No, not anymore. Dalek 2: But that is our purpose. Dalek Sec: Then our purpose is wrong! Where has our quest for supremacy led us? To this. Hiding in the sewers on a primitive world. Just four of us left. If we do not change now then we deserve extinction. Quote Dalek 1: You will die, Doctor. It is the beginning of a new age. Dalek 2: Planet Earth will become New Skaro. The Doctor: Oh, and what a world. With anything just the slightest bit different ground into the dirt. That’s Dalek Sec. Don’t you remember? The cleverest Dalek ever and look what you’ve done to him. Is that your new empire? Hmm? Is that the foundation for a whole new civilization? Dalek Sec: My Daleks…just understand this. If you choose death and destruction, then death and destruction will choose you. Quote Dalek 1: You will obey. Exterminate. Human Dalek: Why? Dalek 2: Daleks do not question orders. Human Dalek: But why? Dalek 2: You will stop this. Human Dalek: But…why? Dalek 2: You must not question. Human Dalek: But you are not our master. And we…we are not Daleks. The Doctor: No, you’re not, and you never will be. [to the Daleks] Sorry, I got in the way of the lightening strike. Time Lord DNA got all mixed up. Just that little bit of freedom. Quote The Doctor: Oh, Tallulah with three Ls and an H…just you watch me. What do I need? Oh, I don’t know. How about a great big genetic laboratory? Oh look, I’ve got one. Lazlo, just you hold on. There’s been too many deaths today. Way too many people have died. Brand new creatures and wise old men and age-old enemies. And I’m tellin’ you, I’m tellin’ you right now, I am not having one more death! Got that? Not one! Tallulah, out of the way. The Doctor is in. Round 6 begins. This is an immunity round : you must vote for an episode you want to protect from elimination during the rest of phase I. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 6 Post by: Dereich on August 02, 2012, 09:12:33 AM Since its so at risk, I'll vote for:
Boomtown. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 6 Post by: afleitch on August 02, 2012, 09:18:07 AM Protect - Turn Left.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 6 Post by: bore on August 02, 2012, 09:40:08 AM I'll go for turn left as well.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 6 Post by: Silent Hunter on August 02, 2012, 10:05:03 AM Protect - 42.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 6 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 02, 2012, 10:21:53 AM Yeah, Turn Left.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 5 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 02, 2012, 01:58:10 PM Also, anyone else realize that Daleks only really appeared as actual characters in one episode (Victory of the Daleks) of the Moffat era? In The Big Bang and The Wedding of River Song they were more tools to propel the plot forward then the much-beloved Nazi allegories of old. I don't think that Moffat has the same sort of nostalgia for the old Doctor Who villians that RTD had. Yeah, Moffat doesn't seem to be a huge fan of the Daleks. Or maybe he just wants to let them rest a bit, so that next time they appear it will be more sudden. But I don't like the way he treated them in The Pandorica Opens. The Daleks will not, ever, ally with any other species. Even if it's in order to beat the doctor. They are supposed to consider any other living being as an abomination whose sole existence is inherently immoral. Anyways, I for one generally like the treatment of the Daleks by R T Davies. Maybe that's because I don't know the old series... I heard that he was letting them rest so they'd be "fresher", which is a notion that I agree with. Then again, he did have them appear briefly in The Big Bang and The Wedding of River Song to do basically nothing but get trashed by River Song and the Doctor respectively. So who knows. Daleks sometimes do form temporary alliances to further their own ends (like enlisting the foreman in Daleks In Manhattan, actually). The trick is that they think absolutely nothing of betraying their partners when they decide that they are no longer useful. The thing that really bothered me in The Pandorica Opens was the sheer number of species who probably hadn't met the Doctor yet and couldn't travel through time. It's like we were meant to think that the Daleks bothered to bring back species like the Weevils, Judoon, Sontarans, &c. who were vastly inferior on a technological level and could serve no purpose but to stand there and look threatening. If it were up to me, the Daleks would have captured the Doctor themselves. Use an electrical holding field or something. Allow the Daleks to actually win something for once, since it ultimately wouldn't matter. It'd help their image out. You finally got what you wanted... :( You are certainly far more knowledgeable than I am about the show's history. I mostly agree with you, though I admit I didn't feel the Daleks' villain decay as you did due to not watching the old series. But I still love Daleks in Manhattan and find it unfair that it's gone before New Earth, Boom Town, The End of the World or The Unicorn and the Wasp... As the number of quotes and images I've posted might tell you. ;) I admit it would be fun to see a full fledged Dalek win for once. "Victory of the Daleks" was one, but one of limited consequences. I think a nice idea could be to handle it as the Master was in its return. The Sound of Drums was a continuous streak of failures and humiliations for the doctor, and he only gets better at the very end of Last of Time Lords. This clearly established the Master as a formidable genius. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 6 Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 02, 2012, 02:20:25 PM Protect 42
Also, anyone else realize that Daleks only really appeared as actual characters in one episode (Victory of the Daleks) of the Moffat era? In The Big Bang and The Wedding of River Song they were more tools to propel the plot forward then the much-beloved Nazi allegories of old. I don't think that Moffat has the same sort of nostalgia for the old Doctor Who villians that RTD had. Yeah, Moffat doesn't seem to be a huge fan of the Daleks. Or maybe he just wants to let them rest a bit, so that next time they appear it will be more sudden. But I don't like the way he treated them in The Pandorica Opens. The Daleks will not, ever, ally with any other species. Even if it's in order to beat the doctor. They are supposed to consider any other living being as an abomination whose sole existence is inherently immoral. Anyways, I for one generally like the treatment of the Daleks by R T Davies. Maybe that's because I don't know the old series... I heard that he was letting them rest so they'd be "fresher", which is a notion that I agree with. Then again, he did have them appear briefly in The Big Bang and The Wedding of River Song to do basically nothing but get trashed by River Song and the Doctor respectively. So who knows. Daleks sometimes do form temporary alliances to further their own ends (like enlisting the foreman in Daleks In Manhattan, actually). The trick is that they think absolutely nothing of betraying their partners when they decide that they are no longer useful. The thing that really bothered me in The Pandorica Opens was the sheer number of species who probably hadn't met the Doctor yet and couldn't travel through time. It's like we were meant to think that the Daleks bothered to bring back species like the Weevils, Judoon, Sontarans, &c. who were vastly inferior on a technological level and could serve no purpose but to stand there and look threatening. If it were up to me, the Daleks would have captured the Doctor themselves. Use an electrical holding field or something. Allow the Daleks to actually win something for once, since it ultimately wouldn't matter. It'd help their image out. You finally got what you wanted... :( You are certainly far more knowledgeable than I am about the show's history. I mostly agree with you, though I admit I didn't feel the Daleks' villain decay as you did due to not watching the old series. But I still love Daleks in Manhattan and find it unfair that it's gone before New Earth, Boom Town, The End of the World or The Unicorn and the Wasp... As the number of quotes and images I've posted might tell you. ;) I admit it would be fun to see a full fledged Dalek win for once. "Victory of the Daleks" was one, but one of limited consequences. I think a nice idea could be to handle it as the Master was in its return. The Sound of Drums was a continuous streak of failures and humiliations for the doctor, and he only gets better at the very end of Last of Time Lords. This clearly established the Master as a formidable genius. I've only seen one season of the old series, and one with no Dalek stories at that. :P I just noticed the big gap between their established threat level and their apparent threat level to the audience. Then I thought about why that was and realized that it had to do with how they were used. The Daleks just seemed more threatening in 2005 than in 2010. As someone said above, Dalek was a pretty good example of how to make the Daleks a scary enemy. Parting of the Ways was the beginning of the Dalek misusage, but they still managed to cause massive damage before being wiped out and come across as a grave existential threat. Doomsday was problematic, though. While the Cult of Skaro was badass, the help they got was pointless, and it established Dalek armies as being something completely disposable. Victory of the Daleks was the closest thing they've gotten to a real return to form since then. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 6 Post by: Dereich on August 02, 2012, 02:33:03 PM Protect 42 Also, anyone else realize that Daleks only really appeared as actual characters in one episode (Victory of the Daleks) of the Moffat era? In The Big Bang and The Wedding of River Song they were more tools to propel the plot forward then the much-beloved Nazi allegories of old. I don't think that Moffat has the same sort of nostalgia for the old Doctor Who villians that RTD had. Yeah, Moffat doesn't seem to be a huge fan of the Daleks. Or maybe he just wants to let them rest a bit, so that next time they appear it will be more sudden. But I don't like the way he treated them in The Pandorica Opens. The Daleks will not, ever, ally with any other species. Even if it's in order to beat the doctor. They are supposed to consider any other living being as an abomination whose sole existence is inherently immoral. Anyways, I for one generally like the treatment of the Daleks by R T Davies. Maybe that's because I don't know the old series... I heard that he was letting them rest so they'd be "fresher", which is a notion that I agree with. Then again, he did have them appear briefly in The Big Bang and The Wedding of River Song to do basically nothing but get trashed by River Song and the Doctor respectively. So who knows. Daleks sometimes do form temporary alliances to further their own ends (like enlisting the foreman in Daleks In Manhattan, actually). The trick is that they think absolutely nothing of betraying their partners when they decide that they are no longer useful. The thing that really bothered me in The Pandorica Opens was the sheer number of species who probably hadn't met the Doctor yet and couldn't travel through time. It's like we were meant to think that the Daleks bothered to bring back species like the Weevils, Judoon, Sontarans, &c. who were vastly inferior on a technological level and could serve no purpose but to stand there and look threatening. If it were up to me, the Daleks would have captured the Doctor themselves. Use an electrical holding field or something. Allow the Daleks to actually win something for once, since it ultimately wouldn't matter. It'd help their image out. You finally got what you wanted... :( You are certainly far more knowledgeable than I am about the show's history. I mostly agree with you, though I admit I didn't feel the Daleks' villain decay as you did due to not watching the old series. But I still love Daleks in Manhattan and find it unfair that it's gone before New Earth, Boom Town, The End of the World or The Unicorn and the Wasp... As the number of quotes and images I've posted might tell you. ;) I admit it would be fun to see a full fledged Dalek win for once. "Victory of the Daleks" was one, but one of limited consequences. I think a nice idea could be to handle it as the Master was in its return. The Sound of Drums was a continuous streak of failures and humiliations for the doctor, and he only gets better at the very end of Last of Time Lords. This clearly established the Master as a formidable genius. I've only seen one season of the old series, and one with no Dalek stories at that. :P I just noticed the big gap between their established threat level and their apparent threat level to the audience. Then I thought about why that was and realized that it had to do with how they were used. The Daleks just seemed more threatening in 2005 than in 2010. As someone said above, Dalek was a pretty good example of how to make the Daleks a scary enemy. Parting of the Ways was the beginning of the Dalek misusage, but they still managed to cause massive damage before being wiped out and come across as a grave existential threat. Doomsday was problematic, though. While the Cult of Skaro was badass, the help they got was pointless, and it established Dalek armies as being something completely disposable. Victory of the Daleks was the closest thing they've gotten to a real return to form since then. Even in Victory of the Daleks the supposed greatest threat to all reality were almost defeated by 40s era Earth technology with what could only be 5 or 10 minutes of enhancement. Also, I wish I had protected Turn Left instead of Boom Town. Much better episode. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 6 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 02, 2012, 04:48:48 PM Yeah, the Genesis Ark in Doomsday was a big mistake. It literally had no point in the whole plot, and the only thing these Daleks had the occasion to do was to die. A shame, really (all the more because it was made evident that four Daleks could easily deal with all the cybermen). I see your issues with Dalek in Manhattan as well. The Daleks in Stolen Earth/Journey's end, however, were extremely powerful and threatening IMO. While Davros somewhat monopolized screen time at their expense, they were the real danger all along, and came insanely close at wiping out all of reality.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 6 Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 02, 2012, 07:46:35 PM Protect 42 Also, anyone else realize that Daleks only really appeared as actual characters in one episode (Victory of the Daleks) of the Moffat era? In The Big Bang and The Wedding of River Song they were more tools to propel the plot forward then the much-beloved Nazi allegories of old. I don't think that Moffat has the same sort of nostalgia for the old Doctor Who villians that RTD had. Yeah, Moffat doesn't seem to be a huge fan of the Daleks. Or maybe he just wants to let them rest a bit, so that next time they appear it will be more sudden. But I don't like the way he treated them in The Pandorica Opens. The Daleks will not, ever, ally with any other species. Even if it's in order to beat the doctor. They are supposed to consider any other living being as an abomination whose sole existence is inherently immoral. Anyways, I for one generally like the treatment of the Daleks by R T Davies. Maybe that's because I don't know the old series... I heard that he was letting them rest so they'd be "fresher", which is a notion that I agree with. Then again, he did have them appear briefly in The Big Bang and The Wedding of River Song to do basically nothing but get trashed by River Song and the Doctor respectively. So who knows. Daleks sometimes do form temporary alliances to further their own ends (like enlisting the foreman in Daleks In Manhattan, actually). The trick is that they think absolutely nothing of betraying their partners when they decide that they are no longer useful. The thing that really bothered me in The Pandorica Opens was the sheer number of species who probably hadn't met the Doctor yet and couldn't travel through time. It's like we were meant to think that the Daleks bothered to bring back species like the Weevils, Judoon, Sontarans, &c. who were vastly inferior on a technological level and could serve no purpose but to stand there and look threatening. If it were up to me, the Daleks would have captured the Doctor themselves. Use an electrical holding field or something. Allow the Daleks to actually win something for once, since it ultimately wouldn't matter. It'd help their image out. You finally got what you wanted... :( You are certainly far more knowledgeable than I am about the show's history. I mostly agree with you, though I admit I didn't feel the Daleks' villain decay as you did due to not watching the old series. But I still love Daleks in Manhattan and find it unfair that it's gone before New Earth, Boom Town, The End of the World or The Unicorn and the Wasp... As the number of quotes and images I've posted might tell you. ;) I admit it would be fun to see a full fledged Dalek win for once. "Victory of the Daleks" was one, but one of limited consequences. I think a nice idea could be to handle it as the Master was in its return. The Sound of Drums was a continuous streak of failures and humiliations for the doctor, and he only gets better at the very end of Last of Time Lords. This clearly established the Master as a formidable genius. I've only seen one season of the old series, and one with no Dalek stories at that. :P I just noticed the big gap between their established threat level and their apparent threat level to the audience. Then I thought about why that was and realized that it had to do with how they were used. The Daleks just seemed more threatening in 2005 than in 2010. As someone said above, Dalek was a pretty good example of how to make the Daleks a scary enemy. Parting of the Ways was the beginning of the Dalek misusage, but they still managed to cause massive damage before being wiped out and come across as a grave existential threat. Doomsday was problematic, though. While the Cult of Skaro was badass, the help they got was pointless, and it established Dalek armies as being something completely disposable. Victory of the Daleks was the closest thing they've gotten to a real return to form since then. Even in Victory of the Daleks the supposed greatest threat to all reality were almost defeated by 40s era Earth technology with what could only be 5 or 10 minutes of enhancement. Also, I wish I had protected Turn Left instead of Boom Town. Much better episode. Yeah, the implausibly short timeframe was troubling. I suppose you could rationalize it by saying that Dalek technology was such a big step up that just 5 to 10 minutes of alterations was able to make the difference, though. Yeah, the Genesis Ark in Doomsday was a big mistake. It literally had no point in the whole plot, and the only thing these Daleks had the occasion to do was to die. A shame, really (all the more because it was made evident that four Daleks could easily deal with all the cybermen). I see your issues with Dalek in Manhattan as well. The Daleks in Stolen Earth/Journey's end, however, were extremely powerful and threatening IMO. While Davros somewhat monopolized screen time at their expense, they were the real danger all along, and came insanely close at wiping out all of reality. They also neglected a perfectly good opportunity to exterminate the Doctor when they brought him aboard, even though, as the Doctor later suggested, the Daleks didn't really take Davros that seriously. While the Daleks were definitely a substantial threat there, I thought it also cast them as something of a hidebound bureaucracy. Not the worst injury to their image, but still less than ideal. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 6 Post by: dead0man on August 03, 2012, 08:28:16 AM 42
Title: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 7 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 03, 2012, 08:49:38 AM Turn Left : 3 (winner by coin toss)
42 : 3 Boom Town : 1 Immune : Series 4 - Episode 11 () Round 7 begins. Back to normal rules. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 7 Post by: Silent Hunter on August 03, 2012, 09:13:56 AM Boom Town.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 7 Post by: Dereich on August 03, 2012, 09:28:55 AM I'm not sure if I can change my answer, but if I can I change to Tooth and Claw. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 7 Post by: bore on August 03, 2012, 10:11:02 AM Tooth and Claw (Despite the setting)
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 7 Post by: Redalgo on August 03, 2012, 10:31:29 AM Boom Town
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 7 Post by: dead0man on August 03, 2012, 11:10:46 AM Of the three mentioned, the wife says Tooth and Claw is the worst, so it gets my vote.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 7 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 03, 2012, 01:35:10 PM New Earth. The whole body switch thing was plain silly.
Tooth and claw was not great, but not really bad either. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 7 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 03, 2012, 01:43:43 PM Regarding vote changes, I'm not banning them, but try to avoid doing it too frequently. ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 7 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 03, 2012, 03:56:04 PM Afleitch ? Patrick ? Pit ? Hugh ?
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 7 Post by: afleitch on August 03, 2012, 03:58:41 PM New Earth. I'd forgotten about that episode actually.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 7 Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 03, 2012, 04:03:31 PM I'll go with eliminating Tooth And Claw, a very bland affair overall. I'd be perfectly fine with New Earth being eliminated instead, though.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 7 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 03, 2012, 06:19:59 PM Poor season 2... It isn't really lucky so far. ;) It's true that it had many mediocre episodes, but season 1 had a couple of those too. And I don't think Love & Monster and The Idiot's lantern should have gone so soon.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 7 Post by: patrick1 on August 03, 2012, 07:11:47 PM Partners in Crime.
Title: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 8 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 04, 2012, 06:13:01 AM Tooth and Claw : 4
Boom Town : 2 New Earth : 2 Partners in Crime : 1 Eliminated : Series 2 - Episode 2 () Aired 22 April 2006 () () () () () Quote The Doctor: 1979. Hell of a year! China invades Vietnam... The Muppet Movie! Love that film. Margaret Thatcher... urgh... Skylab falls to Earth... with a little help from me... nearly took off my thumb. I like my thumb. I need my thumb. I'm very attached to... [realizes] my thumb. 1879. Same difference. Captain Reynolds: You will explain your presence. And the nakedness of this girl. The Doctor: Are we in Scotland? Captain Reynolds: How can you be ignorant of that? The Doctor: Oh, I'm-- I'm dazed and confused. I've been chasing this... this wee naked child over hill and over dale. In't that right, ya... timorous beastie? Rose: Ooch, aye! I've been oot and aboot. The Doctor: No, don't do that. Rose: Hoots mon! The Doctor: No, really don't. Really. Quote Victoria: This, I take it, is the famous Endeavour. Sir Robert: All my father's work. Built by hand in his final years. Became something of an obsession -- he spent his money on this rather than caring for the house or himself. The Doctor: I wish I'd met him, I like him. That thing's beautiful -- can I um...? Sir Robert: Help yourself. The Doctor: What did he model it on? Sir Robert: I know nothing about it. To be honest, most of us thought him a little... shall we say, eccentric. I wish now I'd spent more time with him. And listened to his stories. The Doctor: [peers through it] It's a bit rubbish. How many prisms has it got? Way too many. The magnification's gone right over the top, that's stupid kind of a— [to Rose] am I being rude again? Rose: Yep. The Doctor: But it's pretty! It's very... pretty. Quote Victoria: Then you may think on this, also: that I am not amused. Rose: Yes! Victoria: Not remotely amused. And henceforth... I banish you. The Doctor: I'm sorry..? Victoria: I rewarded you, Sir Doctor. And now you are exiled from this empire, never to return. I don't know what you are, the two of you, or where you're from, but I know that you consort with stars -- and magic -- and think it fun. But your world is steeped in terror and blasphemy and death and I will not allow it! You will leave this shores and you will reflect, I hope, on how you managed to stray so far from all that is good. And how much longer you will survive this... terrible life. Now leave my world. And never return. Round 8 begins. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 8 Post by: patrick1 on August 04, 2012, 06:31:15 AM I'm going with Partners in Crime again. I know the episode is more meant as an introduction but come on- Adipose?
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 8 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 04, 2012, 06:39:09 AM New Earth, and then let's leave season 2 alone. :P
I'm going with Partners in Crime again. I know the episode is more meant as an introduction but come on- Adipose? But they are so cute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 8 Post by: afleitch on August 04, 2012, 06:57:12 AM The Doctor's Daughter. It's pretty bad.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 8 Post by: Dereich on August 04, 2012, 09:30:57 AM New Earth.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 8 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 04, 2012, 10:15:02 AM The Doctor's Daughter. It's pretty bad. You don't like it ? ??? I found it extremely moving. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 8 Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 04, 2012, 02:47:43 PM Mmm, Boom Town. I'm not quite ready to quit picking on season 2. :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 8 Post by: Platypus on August 04, 2012, 05:07:07 PM The Lazarus Experiment
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 8 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 05, 2012, 02:35:03 PM Only 6 voters ? Where are the others ? ???
What do you think, should I close the round or wait a bit ? Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 8 Post by: bore on August 05, 2012, 04:50:49 PM New earth
Title: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 9 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 05, 2012, 05:20:59 PM New Earth : 3
Partners in Crime : 1 The Doctor's Daughter : 1 Boom Town : 1 The Lazarus Experiment : 1 Eliminated : Series 2 - Episode 1 () Aired 15 April 2006 () () () () () Quote Rose: What's the city called? Well, strictly speaking, it's New New New New New New New New New Doctor. :PThe Doctor: New New York. Rose: Oh, come on. The Doctor: It is! It's the City of New New York! Strictly speaking, it's the fifteenth New York since the original. So that makes it New New New New New New New New New New New New New New York. [Rose laughs] What? Rose: You're so different. The Doctor: New New Doctor. Quote Novice Hame: The rest of Boe-kind became extinct. Long ago. He's the only one left. Legend says that the Face of Boe has watched the universe grow old. There's all sorts of superstitions around him. One story says that just before his death, the Face of Boe will impart his great secret. That he will speak those words only to one like himself. The Doctor: What does that mean? Novice Hame: It's just a story. The Doctor: Tell me the rest. Novice Hame: It's said he'll talk to a wanderer. To the man without a home. The lonely God. Quote The Doctor: I'm the Doctor. And if you don't like it... if you want to take it to a higher authority, then there isn't one. It stops with me. Quote The Doctor: That's it! It's a new sub-species, Cassandra! A brand new form of life! New Humans! Look at them, look! Grown by cats... kept in the dark, fed by tubes... but completely, completely alive! You can't deny them, because you helped create them. The human race just keeps on going. Keeps on changing. Life will out! Ha! Round 9 begins. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 9 Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 06, 2012, 12:00:04 AM I'll be daring and say Doomsday, due to its role in the Skaro degradations.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 9 Post by: bore on August 06, 2012, 01:53:49 AM If we're going for a story which degraded the daleks then Journey's end would be my vote.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 9 Post by: Silent Hunter on August 06, 2012, 03:28:42 AM Boom Town.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 9 Post by: Dereich on August 06, 2012, 07:46:12 AM I like Boomtown and Doomsday just fine and could never forgive myself if I let the Donna finale lose so quickly, so I'll go with:
The Lazarus Experiment. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 9 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 06, 2012, 07:48:58 AM The End of the World. Let's finish off with Cassandra.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 9 Post by: Redalgo on August 06, 2012, 09:46:52 AM The Lazarus Experiment
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 9 Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on August 06, 2012, 12:03:15 PM The End of the World
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 9 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 06, 2012, 03:46:59 PM Anyone to break the tie ? Patrick ? Afleitch ? Deadman ?
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 9 Post by: dead0man on August 06, 2012, 04:37:24 PM The Lazarus Experiment
Title: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 10 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 06, 2012, 06:34:26 PM The Lazarus Experiment : 3
The End of the World : 2 Army of Ghosts/Doomsday : 1 The Stolen Earth/Journey's End : 1 Boom Town : 1 Eliminated : Series 3 - Episode 6 () Aired 5 May 2007 () () () () Quote The Doctor: Lovely to meet you, Mrs Jones. Heard a lot about you. Mrs. Jones: Have you? What have you heard, then? The Doctor: Oh, you know, that you’re Martha’s mother and…um… No, actually, that’s…that’s about it. We haven’t had much time to chat, you know, been busy. Mrs. Jones: Busy? Doing what, exactly? The Doctor: Oh…you know…stuff. Quote Lazarus: “Between the idea and the reality, between the motion and the act--” The Doctor: “Falls the shadow”. Lazarus: So the mysterious Doctor knows his Eliot. I’m impressed. [...] The Doctor: I wouldn’t have thought you had time for poetry, Lazarus, what with you being busy defying the laws of nature and all. Lazarus: You’re right, Doctor. One lifetime’s been too short for me to do everything I’d like. How much more would I get done in two or three or four? The Doctor: Doesn’t work like that. Some people live more in 20 years than others do in 80. It’s not the time that mattes; it’s the person. Lazarus: But if it’s the right person, what a gift that would be. The Doctor: Or what a curse. Look at what you’ve done to yourself. Lazarus: Who are you to judge me? Quote The Doctor: What’s the point if you can’t control it? The mutation’s too strong. Killing those people won’t help you. You’re a fool, a vain old man who thought he could defy Nature. Only Nature got her own back, didn’t she? You’re a joke, Lazarus! A footnote in the history of failure! Quote Lazarus: I came here before. A lifetime ago. I thought I was going to die then. In fact, I was sure of it. I sat there, just a child…the sound of planes and bombs outside. The Doctor: The Blitz. Lazarus: You’ve read about it. The Doctor: I was there. Lazarus: You’re too young. The Doctor: So are you. Lazarus: In the morning, the fires had died, and I was still alive. I swore I’d never face death like that again. So defenceless. I would arm myself, fight back, defeat it. The Doctor: That’s what you were trying to do today. Lazarus: That’s what I did today. The Doctor: What about the other people who died? Lazarus: They were nothing. I changed the course of history. The Doctor: Any of them might have done, too. You think history’s only made with equations? Facing death is part of being human. You can’t change that. Lazarus: No, Doctor. Avoiding death. That’s being human. It’s our strongest impulse, to cling to life with every fibre of being. I’m doing what everyone before me has tried to do. I’ve simply been more…successful. The Doctor: Look at yourself! You’re mutating! You’ve no control over it! You call that a success? Lazarus: I call it progress. I’m more now that I was. More than just an ordinary human. The Doctor: There’s no such thing as an ordinary human. [...] Lazarus: You’re so sentimental, Doctor. Maybe you are older than you look. The Doctor: I’m old enough to know that a longer life isn’t always a better one. In the end, you just get tired. Tired of the struggle. Tired of losing everyone that matters to you. Tried of watching everything turn to dust. If you live long enough, Lazarus, the only certainty left is that you end up alone. Lazarus: That’s a price worth paying. The Doctor: Is it? Quote The Doctor: So, what d’you say, one more trip? Martha: No. Sorry. The Doctor: What do you mean? I thought you liked it. Martha: I do, but I can’t go on like this. “One more trip.” It’s not fair. The Doctor: What’re you talking about? Martha: I don’t want to be just a passenger anymore. Someone you take along for a treat. If that’s how you still see me, well, I’d rather stay here. [...] The Doctor: Okay. Martha: Oh, thank you! Thank you! The Doctor: Well, you were never really just a passenger, were you? Round 10 begins. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 10 Post by: patrick1 on August 06, 2012, 06:35:44 PM The End of the World
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 10 Post by: dead0man on August 06, 2012, 07:06:28 PM Voyage of the Damned
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 10 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 06, 2012, 07:07:43 PM The End of the World
Patrick, why the hell didn't you chime in a couple hours earlier ? :P Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 10 Post by: Silent Hunter on August 07, 2012, 04:15:33 AM I liked "The End of the World".
I'll go for Boom Town - again. Waste of 45 minutes that was. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 10 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 07, 2012, 05:33:50 AM I'll go for Boom Town - again. Waste of 45 minutes that was. It wasn't a great episode, but the first part (the Doctor and his little team utterly curb-stomping poor Margaret) was absolutely hilarious all along. The ending was dull, though. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 10 Post by: Dereich on August 07, 2012, 08:25:21 AM The End of the World. Cassandra was a weird villain.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 10 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 07, 2012, 01:53:49 PM The End of the World. Cassandra was a weird villain. Yeah, I guess "weird" is the correct term... :P Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 10 Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 07, 2012, 02:04:21 PM I'll go with Boom Town.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 10 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 07, 2012, 05:30:05 PM Guess I'm going to close this round with only 6 votes... :( What has happened, did people get bored already ?
Title: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 11 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 07, 2012, 07:22:06 PM The End of the World : 3
Boom Town : 2 Voyage of the Damned : 1 Eliminated : Series 1 - Episode 2 () Aired 2 April 2005 () () () () Quote The Doctor: You lot. You spend all your time thinking about dying. Like you're going to get killed by eggs or beef or global warming or asteroids. But you never take time to imagine the impossible. Maybe you survive. This is the year 5.5/apple/26. Five billion years in your future. This is the day... hold on... This is the day the sun expands. Welcome to the end of the world. Quote Rose: They're just, so alien. The aliens. Are so alien. You look at 'em... and they're alien. The Doctor: Good thing I didn't take you to the Deep South. Quote Rose: Who are you then, Doctor? What are you called? What sort of alien are you? The Doctor: I'm just The Doctor. Rose: From what planet? The Doctor: Well, it's not as if you'll know where it is! Rose: Where are you from?! The Doctor: What does it matter? Rose: Tell me who you are! The Doctor: This is who I am, right here, right now, alright? All that counts is here and now, and this is me! Rose: Yeah, and I'm here too because you brought me here, so just tell me! Quote The Doctor: Tell you what... With a little bit of jiggery pokery... Rose: Is that a technical term, 'jiggery pokery'? The Doctor: Yeah, I came first in jiggery pokery, what about you? Rose: Nah, failed hullabaloo. Quote The Doctor: Unsinkable? Jabe: If you like. The nautical metaphor is appropriate. The Doctor: You're telling me. I was on board another ship once. They said that was unsinkable... I ended up clinging to an iceberg, it wasn't half cold. So, what you're saying is, if we get in trouble there's no one to help us out? Jabe: I'm afraid not. The Doctor: Fantastic. Quote Rose: I was born on that planet. And so was my mum, and so was my dad and that makes me officially the last human being in this room, 'cause you're not human. You've had it all nipped and tucked and flattened till there's nothing left. Anything human got chucked in the bin. You're just skin, Cassandra. Lipstick and skin. Nice talking. Quote Jabe: And what about your ancestry, Doctor? Perhaps you could tell a story or two... perhaps a man only enjoys trouble when there's nothing else left... I scanned you earlier. The metal machine had trouble identifying your species - refused to admit your existence. And even when it named you, I wouldn't believe it. But it was right. I know where you're from. Forgive me for intruding, but it's remarkable that you even exist. I just want to say... how sorry I am. Quote The Doctor: You think it'll last forever. People, and cars and concrete. But it won't. One day, it's all gone. Even the sky. My planet's gone. It's dead. It burned like the Earth. It's just rocks and dust. Before it's time. Rose: What happened? The Doctor: There was a war. And we lost. Rose: A war with who? What about your people? The Doctor: I'm a Time Lord. I'm the last of the Time Lords. They're all gone. I'm the only survivor. I'm left travelling on my own because there's no one else. Round 11 begins. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 11 Post by: Platypus on August 07, 2012, 07:39:41 PM Planet of the Ood
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 11 Post by: patrick1 on August 07, 2012, 07:46:21 PM Partners in Crime.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 11 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 07, 2012, 08:31:04 PM Since it seems the focus has shifted to season 4, I'll go with The Unicorn and the Wasp. The idea of an episode with Agatha Christie was awesome, but it was wasted by a pretty dull plot.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 11 Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 07, 2012, 09:17:14 PM There were some season four episodes that I want to boot, but those aren't them. I'll say The Unicorn and the Wasp.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 11 Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on August 08, 2012, 12:15:18 AM Partners in Crime
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 11 Post by: dead0man on August 08, 2012, 12:59:25 AM The Unicorn and the Wasp
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 11 Post by: Silent Hunter on August 08, 2012, 04:15:47 AM I'll go for Planet of the Ood.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 11 Post by: bore on August 08, 2012, 04:17:45 AM Partners in crime
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 11 Post by: Dereich on August 08, 2012, 09:22:03 AM Even if the idea of little blobs of fat being the villian is odd, Partners in Crime should survive just because of the 5 minutes around when Donna and the Doctor meet up again. If I have to let a Donna episode die, it should be The Unicorn and the Wasp.
Title: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 12 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 08, 2012, 07:18:30 PM The Unicorn and the Wasp : 4
Partners in Crime : 3 Planet of the Ood : 2 Eliminated : Series 4 - Episode 7 () Aired 17 May 2008 () () () () Quote The Doctor: Agatha Christie! I was just talking about you the other day. I said, “I bet she’s brilliant”. I’m the Doctor and this is Donna. Oh, I love your stuff! What a mind! You fool me every time. Well…almost every time. Well…once or twice. Well…once. But it was a good once. Quote Donna: There’s a murder, a mystery and Agatha Christie. The Doctor: So? Happens to me all the time. Donna: No, but isn’t that a bit weird? Agatha Christie didn’t walk around surrounded by murders. Not really. That’s like meeting Charles Dickens and he’s surrounded by ghosts. At Christmas. The Doctor: Well... Donna: Oh come on. It’s not like we could drive across country and find Enid Blyton having tea with Noddy. Could we? Noddy’s not real, is he? Tell me there’s no Noddy. The Doctor: There’s no Noddy. Quote Donna: Come on, Agatha. What would Miss Marple do? She’d’ve overheard something vital by now because the murderer thinks she’s just a harmless old lady. Agatha Christie: Clever idea. Miss Marple—who writes those? Donna: Um, copyright: Donna Noble. Add it to the list. The Doctor: Donna. Donna: OK, we could split the copyright. Quote Agatha Chrisie: Bitter almonds—it’s cyanide. Sparkling cyanide! The Doctor: Ginger beer. Davenport: I beg your pardon? The Doctor: I need ginger beer. Mrs. Hart: The gentleman’s gone mad! Agatha Chrisie: I’m an expert in poisons, Doctor. It’s fatal! There’s no cure! The Doctor: Not for me! I can stimulate the inhibited enzymes into reversal. Protein! I need protein! Donna: Walnuts! The Doctor: Brilliant! [he swallows it, then tries to ask for something else while unable to talk] Donna: I can’'t understand you! How many words? One. One word. Shake? Milk? Shake? Milk? Milk! No, not milk. U, shake, shake, shake—cocktail shaker! What do you want, a Harvey Wallbanger? The Doctor: Harvey Wallbanger?! Donna: Well, I don’t know! The Doctor: How is Harvey Wallbanger one word? Agatha Christie: What do you need, Doctor? The Doctor: SALT! I was miming salt! Salt! I need something salty! Donna: What about this? The Doctor: What is it? Donna: It’s salt. The Doctor: That’s too salty! Donna: Oh, that’s too salty. Agatha Christie: What about this? The Doctor: Hmm. [starts swallowing] Donna: What’s that? Agatha Christie: Anchovies. [the Doctor gestures again] Donna: What is it? What else? It’s a song. “Mammy”. I don’t know, “Camptown Races”? The Doctor: “Camptown Races”?! Donna: Well, all right then. “Towering Inferno”. The Doctor: It’s a shock! Look! Shock! I need a shock! Donna: All right, then, big shock coming up. [she kisses him] The Doctor: Ah! Detox. I must do that more often. I mean the-the detox. Quote The Doctor: Oh, no, no, no, no, ‘cause plenty of people write detective stories, but yours are the best. And why? Why are you so good, Agatha Christie? Because you understand. You’ve lived…you’ve fought…you’ve had your heart broken. You know about people—their passions, their hope and despair and anger, all of those. Tiny huge things can turn the most ordinary person into a killer. Just think, Agatha. If anyone can solve this, it’s you. Round 12 begins. This is an immunity round : you must vote for an episode you want to protect from elimination during the rest of phase I. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 12 Post by: Dereich on August 08, 2012, 09:16:52 PM Journey's End
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 12 Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 08, 2012, 10:57:34 PM Protect Planet of the Ood
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 12 Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on August 09, 2012, 12:44:46 AM Voyage of the Damned
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 12 Post by: dead0man on August 09, 2012, 01:08:15 AM Voyage of the Damned Voyage of the Damned Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 12 Post by: Platypus on August 09, 2012, 05:12:42 AM Gridlock
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 12 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 09, 2012, 06:43:17 AM The Stolen Earth/Journey's End
Voyage of the Damned Voyage of the Damned I think you're misunderstanding : this is an immunity vote. If you dislike Voyage of the Damned, you wouldn't want to vote for it. Feel free to change your vote, if you want. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 12 Post by: dead0man on August 09, 2012, 09:43:30 AM OH! I really need to learn to read the rules.
anywho, Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways gets my vote for immunity. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 12 Post by: Redalgo on August 09, 2012, 09:50:21 AM The Stolen Earth/Journey's End was great and I want to see it survive here for a very long time. I am glad I waited to see if there was strategic voting going on though because I feel like Planet of the Ood is a threatened episode that deserves saving in phase I - so it receives my vote.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 12 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 09, 2012, 04:24:57 PM Tie tie tie...
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 12 Post by: patrick1 on August 09, 2012, 07:00:06 PM Protect Voyage of the Damned.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 12 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 09, 2012, 08:03:10 PM So it's a three way tie now. :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 12 Post by: afleitch on August 10, 2012, 06:27:56 AM Protect School Reunion ;)
Title: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 13 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 10, 2012, 06:59:14 AM OK then, let the fate decide. ;)
The Stolen Earth/Journey's End : 2 (winner by excel random formula) Planet of the Ood : 2 Voyage of the Damned : 2 Gridlock : 1 Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways : 1 School Reunion : 1 Immune : Series 4 - Episodes 12-13 () () Round 13 begins. Back to normal rules. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 13 Post by: Silent Hunter on August 10, 2012, 09:12:52 AM Gridlock.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 13 Post by: Redalgo on August 10, 2012, 09:18:52 AM The Empty Child / The Doctor Dances
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 13 Post by: Silent Hunter on August 10, 2012, 09:20:58 AM The Empty Child / The Doctor Dances Oh, come off it! That's a classic! Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 13 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 10, 2012, 09:36:52 AM Time for Boom Town to go.
The Empty Child / The Doctor Dances () Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 13 Post by: Dereich on August 10, 2012, 10:42:38 AM I actually wasn't a huge fan of The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances either, but I won't vote for it yet.
42 Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 13 Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on August 10, 2012, 10:55:17 AM The Shakespeare Code
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 13 Post by: Platypus on August 10, 2012, 11:49:47 AM Boom Town
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 13 Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 10, 2012, 04:25:23 PM Some of my favorite episodes are in peril here. I'll vote to eliminate Boom Town.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 13 Post by: patrick1 on August 10, 2012, 07:44:17 PM Gridlock
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 13 Post by: dead0man on August 11, 2012, 12:02:01 AM Boom Town
Title: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 14 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 11, 2012, 09:53:52 AM Boom Town : 4
Gridlock : 2 The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances : 1 42 : 1 The Shakespeare Code : 1 Eliminated : Series 1 - Episode 11 () Aired 4 June 2005 () () () () Quote Jack: Aww, sweet, look at these two. How come I never get any of that? The Doctor: Buy me a drink first. Jack: You're such hard work. The Doctor: But worth it. Quote Mickey: And who the hell's Jumping Jack Flash? I mean, I don't mind you hanging out with big-ears up there- The Doctor: Oi! Mickey: Look in the mirror. [to Rose] But this guy, I dunno, he's kinda... Jack: Handsome? Mickey: More like cheesy. Jack: Early 21st Century slang - Is cheesy good or bad? Mickey: Its bad. Jack: But bad means good, isn't that right? The Doctor: Are you saying I'm not handsome? Quote Rose: And off we go! Jack: Into time... Rose, Jack and the Doctor: ...and space! Rose: Whoo! Mickey: My God, have you seen yourselves? You all think you're so clever, don't you? The Doctor: Yeah! Rose: Yeah! Jack: Yep! Quote Mickey: That old lady's staring. Jack: Probably wondering what four people could do inside a small wooden box... Mickey: What are you captain of? The Innuendo Squad? Quote Cathy Salt: The deaths! The number of deaths associated with this project. First of all, there was the entire team of the European Safety Inspectors... Margaret: But they were French! Its not my fault if "Danger, Explosives!" was only written in Welsh. Cathy Salt: And then there was that accident with the Cardiff Heritage Committee... Margaret: The electrocution of that swimming pool was put down to natural wear and tear. Cathy Salt: And then, the Architect? Margaret: It was raining, visibility was low - my car simply couldn't stop. Cathy Salt: And then just recently, Mr Cleaver, The government's nuclear adviser... Margaret: Slipped on an icy patch. Cathy Salt: He was decapitated. Margaret: It was a VERY icy patch. Quote The Doctor: Hello! I've come to see the Lord Mayor. Secretary: Have you got an appointment? The Doctor: Nope, just an old friend passing by, bit of a surprise - can't wait to see her face! Secretary: Well, she's just having a cup of tea. The Doctor: Just go in there, and tell her the Doctor would like to see her. Secretary: Doctor who? The Doctor: Just the Doctor. Tell her exactly that. The Doctor. Secretary: Hold on a tick... [he enters the office, we hear a teacup smashing, then he comes back extremely embarrassed] Secretary: The Lord Mayor says thank you for-- for popping by... she'd love to have a chat, but, um... she's up to her eyes in paperwork. Perhaps if you could make an appointment for next week...? The Doctor: She's climbing out of the window, isn't she? Secretary: Yes, she is. Quote Rose: Didn't anyone notice? Isn't there someone in London CHECKING this sort of stuff? Margaret: We're in CARDIFF. London doesn't care! The South Wales coast could fall into the sea and they wouldn't notice-- oh... I sound like a Welshman. God help me, I've gone native. Quote Rose: I don't believe it! We actually get to go to Raxa... Wait a minute! Raxacor... The Doctor: Raxacoricofallapatorius. Rose: Raxacorico... The Doctor: ...fallapatorius. Rose: Raxacoricofallapatorius! The Doctor: That's it! Rose: I did it! Margaret: They have the death penalty. Quote Margaret: I promise you, I've changed since we last met, Doctor. There was this girl... just today... young thing. Something of a danger. She was getting too close. I felt the blood lust rising, just as the family taught me, I was going to kill her without a thought. And then... I stopped. She's alive somewhere right now, she's walking around this city because I CAN change - I DID change. I know I can't prove it-- The Doctor: I believe you. Margaret: Then you know I'm capable of better. The Doctor: It doesn't mean anything. Margaret: I spared her life. The Doctor: You let one of them go, but that's nothing new. Every now and then, a little victim's spared. Because she smiled... because he's got freckles... 'cos they begged... and that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions. Because once in a while, on a whim, if the wind's in the right direction... you happen to be kind. Margaret: Only a killer would know that. Is that right? From what I've seen, your happy-go-lucky little life leaves devastation in its wake. Always moving on 'cos you dare not look back. Playing with so many peoples lives - you might as well be a God. And you're right, Doctor... you're absolutely right. Sometimes... you let one go. Let me go. Round 14 begins. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 14 Post by: Dereich on August 11, 2012, 01:26:56 PM I really want to save Gridlock, but I'm going first so I have no idea what to support :(
I'll go with 42 again. Also, does anyone know when series 7 begins? Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 14 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 11, 2012, 01:35:57 PM I'll be daring and go with Rose. OK, it's awesome because it's the first episode in 16 years, fair enough. But apart from that, what does it have ? One or two awesome lines (like every one) and little more. The plot is quite mediocre, and the enemies are quite laughable. It's great for what it started, but intrinsically it's a quite poor episode.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 14 Post by: Platypus on August 11, 2012, 04:47:39 PM Rose
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 14 Post by: Silent Hunter on August 11, 2012, 04:56:18 PM Yeah, Rose. There is much better in Season 27.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 14 Post by: Redalgo on August 11, 2012, 09:48:48 PM Oh fine, I'll go along with Rose this time, but it's getting harder to find episodes I do not much like, and The Empty Child just happens to be one of them. *snickers*
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 14 Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 11, 2012, 09:51:37 PM Meh, I'll vote Doomsday. Because why not?
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 14 Post by: patrick1 on August 11, 2012, 10:36:09 PM Looks like Rose in dunzo, so I'll cast a protest vote toward Partners in Crime.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 14 Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on August 12, 2012, 01:46:51 AM Partners in Crime
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 14 Post by: dead0man on August 12, 2012, 06:51:22 AM Partners in Crime
Title: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 15 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 12, 2012, 09:55:11 AM Rose : 4
Partners in Crime : 3 42 : 1 Army of Ghosts/Doomsday : 1 Eliminated : Series 1 - Episode 1 () Aired 26 March 2005 () () () () () Quote The Doctor: I'm the Doctor, by the way, what's your name? Rose: Rose. The Doctor: Nice to meet you, Rose. Run for your life. Quote Jackie: I'm in my dressing gown. The Doctor: Yes, you are. Jackie: There's a strange man in my bedroom. The Doctor: Yes, there is. Jackie: Well, anything could happen. The Doctor: No. Quote Rose: Who are you? The Doctor: I told you! The Doctor. Rose: Yeah. But Doctor what? The Doctor: Just the Doctor. Rose: The Doctor. The Doctor: Hello! Rose: Is that supposed to sound impressive? The Doctor: Sort of. Quote The Doctor: Do you know like we were saying? About the Earth revolving? It's like when you were a kid. The first time they tell you the world's turning and you just can't quite believe it because everything looks like it's standing still. I can feel it. The turn of the Earth. The ground beneath our feet is spinning at a thousand miles an hour, and the entire planet is hurtling around the sun at sixty-seven thousand miles an hour, and I can feel it. We're falling through space, you and me. Clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go... That's who I am. Now, forget me, Rose Tyler. Go home. Quote Clive: A lot of this stuff's quite sensitive, I couldn't just send it to you. People might intercept it, if you know what I mean. If you dig deep enough - keep a lively mind - this Doctor keeps cropping up all over the place. Political diaries, conspiracy theories. Even ghost stories. No first name, no last name. Just 'The Doctor'. Always The Doctor. And the title seems to have been passed down from father to son, it appears to be an inheritance. [...] The Doctor is a legend woven throughout history. When disaster comes, he's there. He has a storm in his wake. And he has one constant companion. Rose: Who's that? Clive: Death. If the Doctor's back... if you've seen him, Rose... then one thing's for certain - we're all in danger. If he's singled you out... if the Doctor's making house calls... then God help you. Quote Rose: If you are an alien, then how comes you sound like you're from the North? The Doctor: Lots of planets have a North. Quote The Doctor: Am I addressing the Consciousness? Thank you. If I might observe, you infiltrated this civilization by means of warped, shunt technology. So, may I suggest, with the greatest respect, that you shunt off? Consciousness: [unintelligible] The Doctor: Oh don't give me that, it's an invasion! Plain and simple! Don't talk about constitutional rights! Consciousness: [unintelligible] The Doctor: I - am - talking! This planet is just starting. These stupid little people have only just learnt how to walk, but they're capable of so much more. I'm asking you on their behalf - please, just go. Round 15 begins. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 15 Post by: patrick1 on August 12, 2012, 01:27:01 PM Partners in Crime.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 15 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 12, 2012, 01:39:34 PM Yeah, Partners in Crime now.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 15 Post by: afleitch on August 12, 2012, 02:40:19 PM The Next Doctor
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 15 Post by: Dereich on August 12, 2012, 07:08:21 PM The Next Doctor, it was really terrible
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 15 Post by: Platypus on August 12, 2012, 07:56:09 PM I didn't hate either of those, but neither was brilliant.
The Next Doctor. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 15 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 12, 2012, 08:13:00 PM What's wrong with The Next Doctor ? It's a great episode IMO. Despite not being the actual Doctor, Jackson Lake is still really awesome, and the whole atmosphere of the plot is both tense and lighthearted.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 15 Post by: patrick1 on August 12, 2012, 08:30:05 PM What's wrong with The Next Doctor ? It's a great episode IMO. Despite not being the actual Doctor, Jackson Lake is still really awesome, and the whole atmosphere of the plot is both tense and lighthearted. I agree. I found the back story of him suppressing his memories of his lost family quite affecting. However, I also liked Brotherhood of the Wolf, so it is all objective. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 15 Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 12, 2012, 09:01:12 PM The Next Doctor. I didn't really like the setting or the characters. The Cyber King was cool, though.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 15 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 12, 2012, 09:19:19 PM Oh noes, things are getting bad. :'(
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 15 Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on August 12, 2012, 11:18:36 PM Shakespeare Code
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 15 Post by: bore on August 13, 2012, 03:51:05 AM The Shakespeare code
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 15 Post by: Silent Hunter on August 13, 2012, 05:06:44 AM Gridlock.
Title: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 16 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 13, 2012, 12:00:11 PM The Next Doctor : 4
Partners in Crime : 2 The Shakespeare code : 2 Gridlock : 1 Eliminated : Christmas Special 2008 () Aired 25 December 2008 () () () () () () () Quote Rosita: Doctor! The Doctor: No, I'm standing right here. Hello. Rosita: Don't be so stupid, who are you? The Doctor: I'm the Doctor. Rosita: Doctor who? The Doctor: Just the Doctor. Rosita: Well, there can't be two of ya. [Jackson Lake arrives] Where the hell have you been? Jackson Lake: Don't worry. Stand back. What have we got here, then? The Doctor: Hold on, hold on. Who are you? Jackson Lake: I'm the Doctor. Simply the Doctor. The one, the only and the best. Quote The Doctor: You really don't recognise me? Jackson Lake: Not at all. The Doctor: But you're The Doctor. The next Doctor. Or the next-but-one. A future Doctor anyway. Jackson Lake: Oh! The Doctor: No, no, don't tell me how it happened. Although... I hope I don't just trip over a brick, that'd be embarrassing. Then again, painless. Worse ways to go, depends on the brick. Jackson Lake: You're gabbling, sir. Now, might I ask, who are you, exactly? The Doctor: No, I'm, uh... I'm just Smith. John Smith. But I've heard all about you, Doctor. Bit of a legend, if I say so myself. Jackson Lake: Modesty forbids me to agree with you, sir. But yes. Yes, I am. Quote Vicar: Madam, I must protest! Mrs. Hartigan: Whatever for? Vicar: A lady at the graveside is debatable enough, but... your apparel.... Mrs. Hartigan: Is it too exciting? Mr. Cole: You're disgracing the ceremony, dressed like a harlot. Mrs. Hartigan: Oh, and you should know, Mr Cole. Mr. Cole: How do you know my name? Mrs. Hartigan: You've walked past me so many times, all you good men of charity, never once asking my name. Mr. Scoones: It's Miss Hartigan, isn't it? Mrs. Hartigan: Oh, you noticed. I saw you looking, you cheeky boy. Vicar: I'm sorry, but who is she? Mrs. Hartigan: Matron of the St Joseph Workhouse, your humble servant. Oh, I've watched you all. Visiting. Smiling. Bestowing your beneficence upon the poor while I scrubbed down their filthy beds. Vicar: I must insist that you depart. Mrs. Hartigan: But that's why the late Reverend Fairchild had to die. To gather you all in one place. Where better than a funeral? [to the vicar] Man that is born of woman hath but a short time to live. Although I've got some friends who might disagree with that. Would you like to meet them? Hark! I can hear them now. [...] Mrs. Hartigan: It's funny, now I think of it, but in all these years not one of you has asked my first name. It's Mercy. Quote Jackson Lake: There she is! My transport through time and space. The TARDIS. The Doctor: You've got a balloon. Jackson Lake: TARDIS. T-A-R-D-I-S. It stands for Tethered Aerial Release Developed In Style. D'you see? The Doctor: Well, I do now. I like it. Good TARDIS. Brilliant. Nice one. Quote The Doctor: The perfect escape. Do you ever wonder what you're escaping from? Jackson Lake: With every moment. The Doctor: Then do you want me to tell you? ‘Cos I think I've worked it out now. How you became The Doctor. What do you think? Do you want to know? [...] The Doctor: The story begins with the Cybermen. A long time away, and not so far from here, the Cybermen were fought and they were beaten, and they were sent into a howling wilderness called The Void, locked inside forevermore. But then a greater battle rose up, so great that everything inside The Void perished. But, as the walls of the world weakened, the last of the Cybermen must have fallen through the dimensions, back in time, to land here. And they found you. Jackson Lake: I fought them, I know that. But what happened? The Doctor: At the same time, another man came to London. Mr Jackson Lake. Plenty of luggage, money in his pocket. Maybe coming to town for the winter season, I don't know. But he found the Cybermen too. And just like you, exactly like you, he took hold of an infostamp. Jackson Lake: But he's dead. Jackson Lake is dead. The Cybermen murdered him. The Doctor: You said no body was ever found. And you kept all his suitcases, but you could never bring yourself to open them. I told you the answer was in the fob watch. Can I see? [he takes the watch] “J.L.” The watch is Jackson Lake's. Rosita: Jackson Lake is... you, sir? Jackson Lake: But I'm The Doctor. The Doctor: You became The Doctor because the infostamp you picked up was a book about one particular man. The Cybermen's database. Stolen from the Daleks inside The Void, I'd say, but it's everything you could want to know about The Doctor. Jackson Lake: That's you. The Doctor: Time Lord, TARDIS, enemy of the Cybermen. The one and the only. You see? The infostamp must have backfired, streamed all that information about me right inside your head. Jackson Lake: I am nothing but a lie. The Doctor: No, no, no, no, no. Infostamps are just facts and figures. All that bravery. Saving Rosita. Defending London town. Hmm? And the invention, building a TARDIS. That's all you. Jackson Lake: And what else? Tell me what else? The Doctor: There's still something missing, isn't there? Jackson Lake: I demand you tell me, sir. Tell me what they took. The Doctor: Sorry. Really, I am so sorry. But that's an awful lot of luggage for one man. ‘Cos an infostamp is plain technology. It's not enough to make a man lose his mind. What you suffered is called a fugue. A fugue state. Where the mind just runs away, because it can't bear to look back. You wanted to become someone else, because Jackson Lake had lost so much. Rosita: Midnight. Christmas Day. Jackson Lake: I remember... Oh, my God... Caroline. They killed my wife. They killed her. Quote Mrs. Hartigan: I hold such information! I can see the stars, the worlds beyond, the Vortex of Time itself and the whole of infinity. Oh, but this is glorious! Cyberleader: That is incorrect. "Glorious" is an emotional response. Mrs. Hartigan: Exactly! There is so much joy in this machine. Cyberleader: Joy is not acceptable. Mrs. Hartigan: Don't you see? My mind is stronger than you ever thought! It dominates, sir! It dominates you! Cyberleader: Alert! You are operating beyond the standard parameters. Mrs. Hartigan: I am new. The might of your technology combined with my own imagination. Yes! There will be a new race of Cybermen. MY Cybermen! Logic and strength combined with fury and passion! Quote The Doctor: Jackson, you've got your son. You've got a reason to live. Jackson Lake: And you haven't? [wordless answer] God save you, Doctor. Quote Mrs. Hartigan: Excellent. The Doctor! Yet another man come to assert himself against me in the night. The Doctor: Miss Hartigan, I'm offering you a choice. You might have the most remarkable mind this world has ever seen. Strong enough to control the Cybermen themselves! Mrs. Hartigan: I don't need you to sanction me. The Doctor: No, but such a mind deserves to live! The Cybermen came to this world using a Dimension Vault. I can use that device to find you a home. With no people to convert. But a new world where you can live out your mechanical life in peace. Mrs. Hartigan: I have the world below, and it is abundant with so many minds, ready to become extensions of me. Why would I leave this place? The Doctor: Because if you don't, I'll have to stop you. Mrs. Hartigan: What do you make of me, sir? An idiot? The Doctor: No. The question is, what do you make of me? You make me into this. [he fires an infostamp on her] Mrs. Hartigan: Then I have made you a failure. Your weapons are useless, sir. The Doctor: I wasn't trying to kill you. All I did was break the Cyber-connection, leaving your mind open. Open, I think, for the first time in far too many years, so you can see. Just look at yourself. Look at what you've done. I'm sorry, Miss Hartigan. But look at what you’ve become. I'm so sorry. [she goes mad and makes the whole Cyberking self-destruct] Quote Jackson Lake: Ladies and gentlemen, I know that man! That Doctor on high! And I know that he has done this deed a thousand times! But not once, no, sir, not once, not ever, has he ever been thanked! But no more! For I say to you, on this Christmas morn, "Bravo, sir! Bravo!" [the crowd cheers] Quote Jackson Lake: I take it this is goodbye. The Doctor: Onwards and upwards. Jackson Lake: Tell me one thing. All those facts and figures I saw of The Doctor's life, you were never alone. All those bright and shining companions! But not any more? The Doctor: No. Jackson Lake: Might I ask, why not? The Doctor: They leave. Because they should, or they find someone else. And some of them… Some of them forget me. I suppose, in the end…they break my heart. Jackson Lake: That offer of Christmas dinner, it's no longer a request, it's a demand. The Doctor: In memory of those we’ve lost... Oh, go on then! Jackson Lake: Really? The Doctor: Just this once. You've actually gone and changed my mind. Not many people can do that! Jackson, if anyone had to be The Doctor, I'm glad it was you. Jackson Lake: The feast awaits. Come with me! Walk this way. The Doctor: I certainly will! Merry Christmas to you, Jackson. Jackson Lake: Merry Christmas, indeed, Doctor! Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 16 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 13, 2012, 12:00:38 PM Round 16 begins.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 16 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 13, 2012, 12:17:54 PM What have you monsters done ! It was such a beautiful episode... :'(
Now, back to sanity. Partners in Crime. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 16 Post by: Platypus on August 13, 2012, 12:25:13 PM Planet of the Ood
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 16 Post by: Dereich on August 13, 2012, 04:18:17 PM The Long Game.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 16 Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 13, 2012, 10:04:59 PM Planet of the Dead.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 16 Post by: Silent Hunter on August 14, 2012, 04:18:33 AM The Long Game.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 16 Post by: patrick1 on August 14, 2012, 02:30:35 PM Partners in Crime
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 16 Post by: afleitch on August 14, 2012, 05:25:07 PM The Long Game.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 16 Post by: bore on August 15, 2012, 10:46:02 AM The shakespeare code
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 16 Post by: Redalgo on August 15, 2012, 12:44:12 PM Partners in Crime
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 16 Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on August 15, 2012, 04:06:34 PM What have you monsters done ! It was such a beautiful episode... :'( Now, back to sanity. Partners in Crime. Also, Partners in Crime. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 16 Post by: dead0man on August 18, 2012, 02:44:08 AM The Long Game
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 16 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 18, 2012, 07:36:29 PM Sorry guys, I don't have time to update this and probably won't have for the next week as well. I'm really busy settling in, attending all I need to attend and doing everything I need to do.
I hope to resume this as soon as possible. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 16 Post by: politicallefty on June 03, 2013, 05:50:26 AM Is this ever going to be revived?
If so, I'd be happy to take the tiebreaker role in eliminating Partners in Crime (mostly to save The Long Game, which I think is quite underrated). Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 16 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 03, 2013, 09:14:44 AM You're right, time has come to revive it! :)
Give me a half-day or so to find all the necessary stuff to close the round. Title: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 17 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 04, 2013, 04:18:20 AM Partners in Crime : 5
The Long Game : 4 Planet of the Ood : 1 Planet of the Dead : 1 The Shakespeare code : 1 Eliminated : Series 4 - Episode 1 () Aired 5 April 2008 () () () () () Quote Donna: How far away is that? Wilf: Oh, its about 26 million miles. But we'll get there one day. In a hundred years time we'll be striding out amongst the stars. Jiggling about with all them aliens. Just you wait. Donna: You really believe in all that stuff, don't you? Wilf: It's all over the place these days. If I wait here long enough... Donna: I don't suppose you've seen a little blue box? Wilf: Is that slang for something? Donna: No, I mean it. If you ever see a little blue box flying up there in the sky, you shout for me, Gramps. Oh, you just shout. Wilf: You know, I don't understand half the things you say these days. Donna: Nor me. Wilf: No, fair dos. You've had a funny old time of it lately. There was poor old what's his name, Lance, bless him... and that barmy old Christmas. I wish you would tell us what really happened. Donna: I know. It's just... the things I've seen. Sometimes I think I'm going mad. I mean even tonight I was in a... doesn't matter. Wilf: Well you're not yourself, I'll give you that. You just... you seem to be drifting, sweetheart. Donna: I'm not drifting. I'm waiting. Wilf: What for? Donna: The right man. Wilf: Oh,ho,ho same old story. A man! Haha. Donna: Ha ha, no, I don't mean like that. But, he's real. I've seen him. I've met him, just once. And then... I let him fly away. Wilf: Well there you are, go and find him! Donna: I've tried. He's nowhere. Wilf: Oi, not like you to give up. You know, remember when you were about six years old, your mother said no holiday this year. So off you toddled, all on your own and you got on a bus to Strathclyde! Hah! We had the police after you and everything! Ha, where's she gone then, where's that girl, hey? Donna: You're right. Cos he's still out there, somewhere. And I'll find him Gramps, even if I have to wait a hundred years. I'll find him. Quote Penny: Is anyone gonna tell me what's going on? Doctor: What, you're a journalist? Penny: Yes. Doctor: Well, make it up! Quote Doctor: Matron Cofelia, listen to me! Miss Foster: Oh, I don't think so, Doctor. And if I never see you again, it will be too soon. Doctor: Oh, why does no one ever listen? I'm trying to help! Just get across to the roof. Can you shift the levitation beam? Miss Foster: What, so that you can arrest me? Doctor: Just listen. I saw the Adiposian instructions - they know it's a crime, breeding on Earth. So what's the one thing they want to get rid of? Their accomplice! Miss Foster: I'm far more than that. I'm nanny to all these children. [In the meantime, the baby Adipose have all reached the ship, now it's only Miss Foster who is still in the air.] Doctor: Exactly! Mum and Dad have got the kids now, they don't need the nanny anymore! [Suddenly, the blue light vanishes. Bewildered, Miss Foster looks down - and she falls with a scream.] Quote Doctor: The last time, with Martha, like I said it... it got complicated. And that was all my fault. I just want a mate. Donna: You just want TO MATE??? Doctor: I just want a mate! Donna: You're not mating with me, sunshine! Doctor: A mate, I want a mate! Donna: Well just as well, because I'm not having any of that nonsense. I mean you're just a long streak of... nothing. You know, alien nothing. Doctor: There we are, then. OK. Donna: I can come? Doctor: Yeah. Course you can, yeah. I'd love it. Quote Wilf: There! Donna! It's... it's the flying blue box! [he looks into the telescope and sees his granddaughter waving from the open TARDIS door] Huh - what?! That's Donna! Yeah, that's Donna. [standing behind Donna, the Doctor is waving too] And that's him! That's him! Hey! That's him! Ha-ha-ha! Go on girl! Go on, get up there! Hey! Round 17 begins. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 17 Post by: bore on June 04, 2013, 05:16:52 AM The Shakespeare code
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 17 Post by: politicus on June 04, 2013, 05:26:23 AM The Shakespeare code Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 17 Post by: Consciously Unconscious on June 04, 2013, 07:05:11 PM The Long Game
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 17 Post by: politicallefty on June 04, 2013, 08:46:14 PM The Shakespeare Code. Probably the second weakest episode of Series 3.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 17 Post by: patrick1 on June 04, 2013, 09:02:55 PM The Shakespeare code. Very forgettable. I remember it being an episode and a moor reference with Martha and that is about it.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 17 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 05, 2013, 03:59:07 AM OK, fine with The Shakespeare Code. Looks like there isn't much suspense, but I hope we'll get a couple more voters. Where are PiT, afleitch and Deadman?
Title: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 18 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 05, 2013, 06:32:49 AM The Shakespeare Code: 5
The Long Game: 1 Eliminated: Series 3 - Episode 2 () Aired 7 April 2007 () () () () () Quote Martha: Blimey! Do you have to pass a test to fly this thing? The Doctor: Yes, and I failed it. Quote Martha: But are we safe? I mean, can we move around and stuff? The Doctor: Of course we can. Why do you ask? Martha: It’s like in the films. You step on a butterfly; you change the future of the human race. The Doctor: Well, tell you what then, don’t step on any butterflies. What have butterflies ever done to you? Martha: What if, I dunno, what if I kill my grandfather? The Doctor: You planning to? Martha: No. The Doctor: Well, then. Quote The Doctor: Genius. He’s a genius - THE genius. The most human Human that’s ever been. Now we’re gonna hear him speak. Always, he chooses the best words. New, beautiful, brilliant words. Shakespeare: Shut your big fat mouths! The Doctor: Oh, well. Martha: You should never meet your heroes. Quote Shakespeare: And you, Sir Doctor. How can a man so young have eyes so old? Quote The Doctor: Come on. We can all have a good flirt later. Shakespeare: Is that a promise, Doctor? The Doctor: Oh, 57 academics just punched the air. Now move! Quote Shakespeare: Doctor, can you stop her? Doomfinger: No mortal has power over me. The Doctor: Oh, but there’s a power in words. If I can find the right one — if I can just know you... Doomfinger: None on Earth has knowledge of us. The Doctor: Then it’s a good thing I’m here. Now think, think, think... Humanoid female, uses shapes and words to channel energy... ah, 14! That’s it! 14! The 14 stars of the Rexel planetary configuration! Creature, I name you Carrionite! [Doomfinger wails and disappears.] Quote Shakespeare: Close up this den of hateful, dire decay! Decomposition of your witches’ plot! You thieve my brains, consider me your toy. My doting Doctor tells me I am not! Lilith: No! Words of power! Shakespeare: Foul Carrionite spectres, cease your show! Between the points... [He looks to the Doctor.] The Doctor: 7-6-1-3-9-0! Shakespeare: 7-6-1-3-9-0! And banished like a tinker’s cuss, I say to thee... [Again, looks to the Doctor who is at a loss.] Martha: Expelliarmus! The Doctor: Expelliarmus! Shakespeare: Expelliarmus! The Doctor: Good old JK! Quote The Doctor [excited]: Queen Elizabeth I! Elizabeth I: Doctor! The Doctor: What? Elizabeth I: My sworn enemy! The Doctor: What? Elizabeth I: Off with his head! The Doctor: What? Martha: Never mind "what", just run! See you, Will! And thanks! [Martha and the Doctor run off.] Elizabeth I: Stop that pernicious Doctor! [Martha and the Doctor run through the streets to the TARDIS.] Soldier: Stop in the name of the Queen! Martha: What have you done to upset her?! The Doctor: How should I know? Haven’t even met her yet. That’s time travel for you! Still, can’t wait to find out. Round 18 begins. This is an immunity round: you must vote for an episode you want to protect from elimination during the rest of phase I. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 18 Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 05, 2013, 11:15:01 AM I vote to give immunity to Planet Of The Ood.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 18 Post by: politicus on June 05, 2013, 12:19:05 PM I vote to give immunity to Planet Of The Ood. I will second that. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 18 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 05, 2013, 02:56:10 PM I'll go with The Empty Child / The Doctor Dances. One of the absolute greatest. Someone tried to eliminate some rounds ago. I want to believe people here aren't crazy enough to do that, but you never know.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 18 Post by: bore on June 05, 2013, 04:48:43 PM The doctor dances.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 18 Post by: politicallefty on June 05, 2013, 06:47:48 PM I'll go with The Empty Child / The Doctor Dances. One of the absolute greatest. Someone tried to eliminate some rounds ago. I want to believe people here aren't crazy enough to do that, but you never know. That won't go anywhere for a long time. It's not my personal favourite from Series 1, but I think it is for a lot of people. I'll vote to save Planet of the Ood. It's somewhat underrated and much more at risk for elimination. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 18 Post by: Dereich on June 05, 2013, 11:38:54 PM I'll vote to immunize The Christmas Invasion. Why? Because Harriet Jones :'(
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 18 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 06, 2013, 06:11:00 AM I'll leave it open for a few more hours... 6 votes is really lackluster. :(
Title: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 19 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 07, 2013, 08:09:18 AM Planet Of The Ood : 3
The Empty Child / The Doctor Dances : 2 The Christmas Invasion : 1 Immune : Series 4 - Episode 3 () Round 19 begins. Back to normal rules. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 19 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 07, 2013, 08:10:50 AM Meh, looks like I have to get used to lower turnout...
Off with The Sontaran Stratagem / The Poison Sky now. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 19 Post by: bore on June 07, 2013, 04:23:10 PM Aliens of london for me.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 19 Post by: Dereich on June 07, 2013, 04:56:20 PM I'll go with School Reunion
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 19 Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 08, 2013, 12:04:43 AM School Reunion
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 19 Post by: politicallefty on June 08, 2013, 02:01:58 AM I think I might have to go with School Reunion as well. It was a fairly weak story, even though it did have Sarah Jane.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 19 Post by: Silent Hunter on June 08, 2013, 10:51:09 AM The Long Game.
Title: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 20 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 08, 2013, 05:34:44 PM School Reunion: 3
The Sontaran Stratagem / The Poison Sky: 1 Aliens of London / World War Three: 1 The Long Game: 1 Eliminated: Series 2 - Episode 3 () Aired 29 April 2006 () () () () () () Quote Mr. Finch: I see why the nurse sent you. You poor child. Poor... thin, child. Come inside. It's nearly time for lunch. Quote The Doctor: Hello, Sarah Jane. Sarah Jane: It's you. Oh... Doctor... Oh, my God, it's you, it's... it's... you've regenerated. The Doctor: Half a dozen times since we last met. Sarah Jane: You look... incredible. The Doctor: So do you. Sarah Jane: I got old. [beat] What're you doing here? The Doctor: Well... UFO sightings, school gets record results -- I couldn't resist. What about you? Sarah Jane: Same. [beat] I thought you'd died. I waited for you and you didn't come back, and I thought you must've died. The Doctor: I lived. Everyone else died. Sarah Jane: What do you mean? The Doctor: Everyone died, Sarah. Sarah Jane: I can't believe it's you. Quote Sarah Jane: Did I do something wrong? Because you never came back for me. You just... dumped me. The Doctor: I told you. I was called back home and in those days humans weren't allowed. Sarah Jane: I waited for you. I missed you. The Doctor: Oh, you didn't need me! You were getting on with your life. Sarah Jane: You were my life. You know what the most difficult thing was? Coping with what happens next, and with what doesn't happen next. You took me to the furthest reaches of the galaxy, you showed me supernovas, intergalactic battles and then you just dropped me back on Earth. How could anything compare to that? The Doctor: All those things you saw -- do you want me to apologize for that? Sarah Jane: No, but we get a taste of that splendour... and then we have to go back. The Doctor: But look at you, you're investigating. You found that school -- you're doing what we always did. Sarah Jane: You could've come back. The Doctor: I couldn't. Sarah Jane: Why not? Quote Mickey: So, what's the deal with the tin dog? Sarah Jane: The Doctor likes travelling with an entourage. Sometimes they're humans, sometimes they're aliens, and sometimes... they're tin dogs. What about you? Where do you fit in the picture? Mickey: Me? I'm their Man in Havana. I'm the technical support, I'm... [beat] Oh, my God. I'm the tin dog. Quote The Doctor: I don't age. I regenerate. But humans decay. You wither and you die. Imagine watching that happen to someone who you-- Rose: What, Doctor? The Doctor: You can spend the rest of your life with me. But I can't spend the rest of mine with you. I have to live on. Alone. That's the curse of the Time Lords. Quote K9: System restarting. All primary drives functioning. Mickey: You're working! Okay, no time to explain, we need to get inside the school. Do you have like, I dunno, a lock picking device? K9: We are in a car. Mickey: Maybe a drill attachment? K9: We are in a car. Mickey: Fat lot of good, you are. K9: We are in a car. Mickey: [realizing] Wait a second... we're in a car. Quote Sarah Jane: It's daft. But I haven't ever thanked you for that time, and like I said -- I wouldn't have missed it for the world. The Doctor: Something to tell the grandkids. Sarah Jane: Oh, I think it'll be someone else's grandkids now. The Doctor: Right. Yes, sorry -- I didn't get a chance to ask. You haven't... there hasn't been anyone... ? You know... ? Sarah Jane: Well... there was this one guy. I travelled with him for a while. But he was a tough act to follow. [beat] Goodbye, Doctor. The Doctor: Oh, it's not goodbye-- Sarah Jane: Say it, please. This time. Say it. The Doctor: Goodbye. My Sarah Jane. Round 20 begins. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 20 Post by: politicallefty on June 09, 2013, 02:45:58 AM The Fires of Pompeii. The two "historical" episodes from Series 4 weren't very memorable.
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 20 Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 10, 2013, 07:05:37 AM The fires of Pompeii had some pretty good drama at the end.
I'll go with The Sontaran Stratagem / The Poison Sky. Two-parters should be held to a higher standard, and this one was dull compared to others. Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 20 Post by: bore on June 10, 2013, 10:51:58 AM Aliens of london
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 20 Post by: Silent Hunter on June 10, 2013, 01:00:17 PM The Sontaran Stratagem / The Poison Sky
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 20 Post by: Dereich on June 10, 2013, 02:44:13 PM The Long Game
Title: Re: Doctor Who episodes, R. T. Davies period (2005-2010) survivor - Phase I Round 20 Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 17, 2013, 03:50:41 PM Whoops, I have been forgetting about this. I'll go with The Sontaran Stratagem/The Poison Sky, because I agree with Antonio that it is a rather dull experience overall.
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