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Title: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Tender Branson on August 01, 2012, 12:56:57 AM
A snapshot of the race, taken during a burst of summer campaigning, found that Mr. Obama holds an advantage of 6 percentage points over Mr. Romney in Florida and Ohio. The president is in a stronger position in Pennsylvania, leading by 11 percentage points, the poll found. The margin of sampling of error is plus or minus 3 percentage points in each state.

The New York Times, in collaboration with Quinnipiac and CBS News, is tracking the presidential contest in six states through polls over the next three months. Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania have a combined 67 electoral votes. Surveys will also be taken in Colorado, Wisconsin and Virginia, which have 32 electoral votes. Four years ago, Mr. Obama won all six states.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/news/us/-obama-leading-romney-in-3-pivotal-states-647041/#ixzz22GsSWBzW

Detailed numbers will be released later today on the Quinnipiac page:

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Tender Branson on August 01, 2012, 01:00:59 AM
Good to see.

I'd like to see the Pro-Romney camp invest 50 Mio. $ into Pennsylvania, just like McCain did - with absolutely no effect (maybe even the opposite, pushing the state even further into the Obama-column).


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Tender Branson on August 01, 2012, 01:05:01 AM
BTW:

The article says that this is Quinnipiac's first set of "likely voters".


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Lief 🗽 on August 01, 2012, 01:05:22 AM
Are these Quinnipiac polls or NYT/CBS polls? Pretty huge difference in quality...


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Tender Branson on August 01, 2012, 01:07:04 AM
Are these Quinnipiac polls or NYT/CBS polls? Pretty huge difference in quality...

No, NYT and CBS pay Quinnipiac to conduct the polls for them. But that doesn't change the quality. Quinnipiac has been a very good pollster in recent years, so don't shoot the messenger. The problem is Mitt Romney after all, not the pollster.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Lief 🗽 on August 01, 2012, 01:12:22 AM
Are these Quinnipiac polls or NYT/CBS polls? Pretty huge difference in quality...

No, NYT and CBS pay Quinnipiac to conduct the polls for them. But that doesn't change the quality. Quinnipiac has been a very good pollster in recent years, so don't shoot the messenger. The problem is Mitt Romney after all, not the pollster.

Oh yeah, as long as it's Quinnipiac doing the polls, that's good. These are pretty good numbers then, though the Florida lead is kind of hard to believe.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Tender Branson on August 01, 2012, 01:37:32 AM
Are these Quinnipiac polls or NYT/CBS polls? Pretty huge difference in quality...

No, NYT and CBS pay Quinnipiac to conduct the polls for them. But that doesn't change the quality. Quinnipiac has been a very good pollster in recent years, so don't shoot the messenger. The problem is Mitt Romney after all, not the pollster.

Oh yeah, as fine it's Quinnipiac doing the polls, that's good. These are pretty good numbers then, though the Florida lead is kind of hard to believe.

Maybe. But remember that SurveyUSA also showed Obama+5 in their latest FL poll.

And Quinnipiac and SurveyUSA basically had the best FL polls in 2008:

https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?fips=12


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on August 01, 2012, 01:40:31 AM
The latest string of polls out of Florida make me think that Obama has a slight lead. That's worrisome news for Romney.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Lief 🗽 on August 01, 2012, 01:45:42 AM
Huh, actually looking at the polls, it seems like Obama has been leading in all the recent polls of Florida, except for Purple Strategies which is looking like a big outlier.

Changes since last Quinnipiac polls:

FL: Obama +2
OH: Obama -3
PA: Obama +5


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on August 01, 2012, 01:47:56 AM
We couldn't possibly be this lucky.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Tender Branson on August 01, 2012, 01:48:00 AM
I'm actually more interested what Quinnipiac will find in their Colorado and Wisconsin polls.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Tender Branson on August 01, 2012, 02:17:19 AM
Full results:

FL: 51-45 Obama
OH: 50-44 Obama
PA: 53-42 Obama

July 24-30, 2012

Florida Likely voters N = 1,177
Ohio Likely voters N = 1,193
Pennsylvania Likely voters N = 1,168

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How the Poll Was Conducted

By THE NEW YORK TIMES
Published: August 1, 2012

The latest Quinnipiac University/New York Times/CBS News polls involved a total of 4,392 telephone interviews conducted July 24 through July 30 with adults in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Results are based on responses from 1,177 likely voters in Florida, 1,193 likely voters in Ohio and 1,168 likely voters in Pennsylvania. Likely voters are adults who say they are registered to vote and will “definitely” vote on Election Day.

All interviewing was conducted from the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute in Hamden, Conn. Interviews were in English or Spanish.

The telephone numbers called, both for land lines and for cellphones, were from random digit dialing samples provided by Survey Sampling International of Shelton, Conn. The regions within each state were represented in proportion to their share of all telephone numbers. Random digit dialing ensures access to listed and unlisted numbers alike. The completed samples were adjusted to ensure the proper ratio of land-line-only, cellphone-only and dual-phone users. Within each household, one adult was designated by a random procedure to be the respondent.

Interviewers made multiple attempts to reach every phone number in the survey, calling back unanswered numbers on different days at different times of both day and evening.

Each state’s results have been weighted to adjust for variation in the sample relating to region, sex, race, Hispanic origin, age and education.

In theory, in 19 cases out of 20, overall results based on such samples will differ by no more than 3 percentage points in either direction from what would have been obtained by seeking to interview all voters in each of the states. For smaller subgroups, the margin of sampling error is larger. Shifts in results between polls over time also have a larger sampling error.

In addition to sampling error, the practical difficulties of conducting any survey of public opinion may introduce other sources of error into the poll. Variation in the wording and order of questions, for example, may lead to somewhat different results.

Michael R. Kagay of Princeton, N.J., assisted The Times in its polling analysis. Complete questions and results are available at nytimes.com/polls.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/01/us/politics/how-the-poll-was-conducted.html

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/405617/the-quinnipiac-university-new-york-times-cbs-poll.pdf


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on August 01, 2012, 02:42:11 AM
Their Florida and Pennsylvania numbers look too optimistic. PPP found Obama just one point ahead in Florida.

But his (and Brown's for that matter) Ohio numbers have been pretty stable throughout the campaign, which shows what a horrible fit for the state Romney is.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on August 01, 2012, 02:44:36 AM
I would love to believe these numbers, but I just can't.... apart from Ohio, which is falling in line with a lot of polls.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Tender Branson on August 01, 2012, 06:52:01 AM
The NYT also has a new site with crosstabs:

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/swing-state-polls


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on August 01, 2012, 07:11:27 AM
The NYT also has a new site with crosstabs:

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/swing-state-polls

Those cross tabs are interesting... IF we are to take them as reasonable... Romney's favourables and the Bain/Tax attacks are KILLING him.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: pepper11 on August 01, 2012, 08:45:12 AM
Florida D+9! Ohio D+ 8!

Rightttt....


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: krazen1211 on August 01, 2012, 08:51:21 AM
Florida D+9! Ohio D+ 8!

Rightttt....

GIGO. Shrug.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Brittain33 on August 01, 2012, 08:53:37 AM
Obama just started his messaging on the Ryan budget in Florida and how Romney is standing up for big cuts in Medicare. Let's see if he's seen as a credible messenger on this after Republicans successfully branded the Dems as Medicare cutters in 2010.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: DrScholl on August 01, 2012, 09:06:28 AM
Ohio is where the outsourcing ads are running a lot and those sort of ads would be most effective there.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Tender Branson on August 01, 2012, 10:04:40 AM

I already thought you would complain about the sample. But Quinnipiac asked both questions in this poll: partisan ID and how respondents are registered.

How those "likely voters" are currently registered:

FL: 42% DEM, 36% GOP, 22% IND/OTH
OH: 42% DEM, 35% GOP, 22% IND/OTH
PA: 46% DEM, 40% GOP, 14% IND/OTH

Very similar to the actual voter registration numbers in each state.

But of course you don't like the numbers ... :P


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: krazen1211 on August 01, 2012, 10:21:58 AM

I already thought you would complain about the sample. But Quinnipiac asked both questions in this poll: partisan ID and how respondents are registered.

How those "likely voters" are currently registered:

FL: 42% DEM, 36% GOP, 22% IND/OTH
OH: 42% DEM, 35% GOP, 22% IND/OTH
PA: 46% DEM, 40% GOP, 14% IND/OTH

Very similar to the actual voter registration numbers in each state.

But of course you don't like the numbers ... :P

Well, that's interesting, because Florida is actually only 40% D by registration and most expect a dropoff for the Democrats of 2 points or so when using a likely voter screen. It's very curious to flip that in the opposite direction.

And where precisely did you get your actual voter registration for Ohio?


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Tender Branson on August 01, 2012, 10:36:55 AM

I already thought you would complain about the sample. But Quinnipiac asked both questions in this poll: partisan ID and how respondents are registered.

How those "likely voters" are currently registered:

FL: 42% DEM, 36% GOP, 22% IND/OTH
OH: 42% DEM, 35% GOP, 22% IND/OTH
PA: 46% DEM, 40% GOP, 14% IND/OTH

Very similar to the actual voter registration numbers in each state.

But of course you don't like the numbers ... :P

Well, that's interesting, because Florida is actually only 40% D by registration and most expect a dropoff for the Democrats of 2 points or so when using a likely voter screen. It's very curious to flip that in the opposite direction.

And where precisely did you get your actual voter registration for Ohio?

It doesn't really matter what "most believe". The poll tells us something different.

There is no party registration in OH, but for the other 2.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: MorningInAmerica on August 01, 2012, 11:07:39 AM

I already thought you would complain about the sample. But Quinnipiac asked both questions in this poll: partisan ID and how respondents are registered.

How those "likely voters" are currently registered:

FL: 42% DEM, 36% GOP, 22% IND/OTH
OH: 42% DEM, 35% GOP, 22% IND/OTH
PA: 46% DEM, 40% GOP, 14% IND/OTH

Very similar to the actual voter registration numbers in each state.

But of course you don't like the numbers ... :P

Tender Branson, do you honestly believe that if the party ID in Florida in 2008 was D+3, a year in which Democrats shattered records, that it will be D+9 this time??? If so, you're fooling yourself. Same applies for the Ohio poll. Quinnipiac is forceasting the same turnout as in 2008. Not sure what's gotten into Quinnipiac. Remember there Florida poll from a couple months back that was R+3? How could they switch to a likely voter model and find D+9? Makes no sense at all.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: MorningInAmerica on August 01, 2012, 11:09:55 AM
Basically all Quinnipiac just did was show us how Mitt Romney is performing in a 2008 electorate (D+9, D+8, D+6). I'd be interested in knowing how Romney performs in a likely 2012 electorate.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: krazen1211 on August 01, 2012, 11:27:08 AM

I already thought you would complain about the sample. But Quinnipiac asked both questions in this poll: partisan ID and how respondents are registered.

How those "likely voters" are currently registered:

FL: 42% DEM, 36% GOP, 22% IND/OTH
OH: 42% DEM, 35% GOP, 22% IND/OTH
PA: 46% DEM, 40% GOP, 14% IND/OTH

Very similar to the actual voter registration numbers in each state.

But of course you don't like the numbers ... :P

Well, that's interesting, because Florida is actually only 40% D by registration and most expect a dropoff for the Democrats of 2 points or so when using a likely voter screen. It's very curious to flip that in the opposite direction.

And where precisely did you get your actual voter registration for Ohio?

It doesn't really matter what "most believe". The poll tells us something different.

There is no party registration in OH, but for the other 2.


'The poll' doesn't tell us; rather, those doing the party weighting of the poll do.

Actual calls by 'the poll' show a mere 1% edge for the Democrats in the unweighted sample in Florida and a 4% edge for the Democrats in Ohio. Certainly you and others are entitled to figure that such should translate into a 6/7% edge for the Democrats, but that's on you.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on August 01, 2012, 11:55:29 AM
Nah... the Dem advantage is too big in OH and FL.  PA... I can believe a little more. 

I'd say slim leads for Obama in both FL and OH.  +1-2 in FL and +3-4 in OH. 


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Likely Voter on August 01, 2012, 12:00:50 PM
The rejection of polls you dont like and embracing of those you do thing is becoming an embarrassing cliche.



Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Lief 🗽 on August 01, 2012, 12:03:51 PM
The rejection of polls you dont like and embracing of those you do thing is becoming an embarrassing cliche.



Yeah, if this is all this forum is going to be for the next three months then let's just close  it now. It's really tiring to come to this forum to see new polls and see nothing but complaints that the poll is trash because it doesn't conform to their notions of how the sample should be weighed.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on August 01, 2012, 12:04:48 PM
The rejection of polls you dont like and embracing of those you do thing is becoming an embarrassing cliche.



Yeah, if this is all this forum is going to be for the next three months then let's just close  it now. It's really tiring to come to this forum to see new polls and see nothing but complaints that the poll is trash because it doesn't conform to their notions of how the sample should be weighed.

The Bawlexus legacy lives on.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Oakvale on August 01, 2012, 12:05:42 PM
Huh! I'm starting to think this election may not be decided by how Romney's dressaaaaaaaaaahhhhhge horse performs.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Tender Branson on August 01, 2012, 12:07:03 PM

I already thought you would complain about the sample. But Quinnipiac asked both questions in this poll: partisan ID and how respondents are registered.

How those "likely voters" are currently registered:

FL: 42% DEM, 36% GOP, 22% IND/OTH
OH: 42% DEM, 35% GOP, 22% IND/OTH
PA: 46% DEM, 40% GOP, 14% IND/OTH

Very similar to the actual voter registration numbers in each state.

But of course you don't like the numbers ... :P

Well, that's interesting, because Florida is actually only 40% D by registration and most expect a dropoff for the Democrats of 2 points or so when using a likely voter screen. It's very curious to flip that in the opposite direction.

And where precisely did you get your actual voter registration for Ohio?

It doesn't really matter what "most believe". The poll tells us something different.

There is no party registration in OH, but for the other 2.


'The poll' doesn't tell us; rather, those doing the party weighting of the poll do.

Actual calls by 'the poll' show a mere 1% edge for the Democrats in the unweighted sample in Florida and a 4% edge for the Democrats in Ohio. Certainly you and others are entitled to figure that such should translate into a 6/7% edge for the Democrats, but that's on you.

Well, I guess the folks "weighting" the polls at Quinnipiac know what they are doing.

Otherwise they wouldn't have correctly predicted the Romney+14 win in FL in the primaries and the Romney+1 win in OH. And also their FL 2008 poll was spot on, OH was only off by 2 points and PA was also spot on.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Tender Branson on August 01, 2012, 12:12:43 PM
This is also fitting for this thread (coming from Scotty Rasmussen):

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Wednesday, August 01, 2012

Partisan Trends: GOP Edge in Partisan ID Slips to 2012 Low

The number of Americans who consider themselves Republicans fell for the second straight month while the number of Democrats held steady.

During July, 34.9% of Americans considered themselves Republicans. That’s down from 35.4% in June  and from 35.7% in May.

The number of Democrats held steady at 34.0%. That marks a partial recovery for the president’s party. In February, just 32.4% described themselves as Democrats, the lowest level ever measured by Rasmussen Reports. Still, while the 34.0% figure is the best for Democrats in 2012, it’s down from earlier years.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/archive/mood_of_america_archive/partisan_trends/summary_of_party_affiliation


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on August 01, 2012, 12:17:10 PM
This is also fitting for this thread (coming from Scotty Rasmussen):

Quote
Wednesday, August 01, 2012

Partisan Trends: GOP Edge in Partisan ID Slips to 2012 Low

The number of Americans who consider themselves Republicans fell for the second straight month while the number of Democrats held steady.

During July, 34.9% of Americans considered themselves Republicans. That’s down from 35.4% in June  and from 35.7% in May.

The number of Democrats held steady at 34.0%. That marks a partial recovery for the president’s party. In February, just 32.4% described themselves as Democrats, the lowest level ever measured by Rasmussen Reports. Still, while the 34.0% figure is the best for Democrats in 2012, it’s down from earlier years.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/archive/mood_of_america_archive/partisan_trends/summary_of_party_affiliation

And he's being generous to the Republicans. When was the last time Republicans actually outnumbered Democrats among the general public? It simply hasn't happened in my lifetime, so Ras is wrong when he says it has.

A party for the rich simply isn't going to have that much real support.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on August 01, 2012, 12:41:48 PM
The rejection of polls you dont like and embracing of those you do thing is becoming an embarrassing cliche.



Believe me, I wish these numbers were true.  I think having Democrats with a +9 party ID in Florida and a +8 party ID in Ohio is a little too optimistic.  Nothing wrong with looking at the actual registration numbers and adjusting to get a clearer view of where the race is. 


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Tender Branson on August 01, 2012, 12:44:55 PM
The rejection of polls you dont like and embracing of those you do thing is becoming an embarrassing cliche.



Believe me, I wish these numbers were true.  I think having Democrats with a +9 party ID in Florida and a +8 party ID in Ohio is a little too optimistic.  Nothing wrong with looking at the actual registration numbers and adjusting to get a clearer view of where the race is.  

The poll actually uses registration numbers that are similar to the current registration in the states:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=156770.msg3370217#msg3370217

Party ID is just something very different, many are IDing with Independents in polls because they don't like policies of both candidates, but on election day when the exit pollster comes around they are more likely to be motivated to check a partisan label.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: MorningInAmerica on August 01, 2012, 12:45:03 PM
Still... anyone want to explain how Florida is D+9 in 2012, but D+3 in 2008? Christian Heinze does a good job of pointing out theproblem with the polls. Also, for those complaining, it's not about trashing polls you don't like. It's about looking at crosstabs and using common sense. Common sense doesn't dictate that in a year with Republican enthusiasm expected to be stronger than in '08, Florida would become 7 points MORE democratic.

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How can you sample Democrats at only +6% in a state with a huge Democratic registration advantage (Pennsylvania), but go with +9% in Florida and +8% in Ohio?

To wit: As of June, Democrats only had a 52%-48% registration advantage in Florida. So you're going to sample Democrats at twice that rate in an election where enthusiasm favors Republicans?

Meanwhile, Democrats have a 57%-43% registration advantage in Pennsylvania, and you're going to sample Dems at a lower rate than Florida?

As for Ohio, the state doesn't release partisan registration totals, so we're out of luck there, but again, it's hard to imagine why you'd sample Pennsylvania at +6% in favor of Democrats and +8% in Ohio, which is a much redder state.

http://gop12.thehill.com/2012/08/poll-shows-obama-with-solid-leads-in.html


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Likely Voter on August 01, 2012, 12:48:30 PM
There is nothing wrong with analyzing polls, of course that is the what this forum should be about. And of course there are variations, outliers and house effects. All of that is natural.

Let's face it, polling is part art part science. And no one really knows what the party ID weighting is going to be in 2012 and other indicators like age, frequency of church going, etc are rarely shown, which are even more important really.

I am talking about the knee-jerk complete rejection of considering every poll with someone's prefered candidate down as "junk poll" and every poll showing a preferred candidate up being trumpeted as god's truth.   



Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: krazen1211 on August 01, 2012, 12:49:50 PM

Well, I guess the folks "weighting" the polls at Quinnipiac know what they are doing.

Otherwise they wouldn't have correctly predicted the Romney+14 win in FL in the primaries and the Romney+1 win in OH. And also their FL 2008 poll was spot on, OH was only off by 2 points and PA was also spot on.

That's a possibility. That would of course discount that they 'knew what they were doing' a mere 3 months ago when the sample was GOP + 3, and, as to be expected, Romney had a 6 point lead.

At the time, interestingly enough, those results were disputed by Democrats.

Of course on October 23, 2008, Quinnipiac released a poll showing Obama up 14 in Ohio over McCain. Thus, history shows at best that they sometimes know what they are doing.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: krazen1211 on August 01, 2012, 12:50:30 PM
This is also fitting for this thread (coming from Scotty Rasmussen):

Quote
Wednesday, August 01, 2012

Partisan Trends: GOP Edge in Partisan ID Slips to 2012 Low

The number of Americans who consider themselves Republicans fell for the second straight month while the number of Democrats held steady.

During July, 34.9% of Americans considered themselves Republicans. That’s down from 35.4% in June  and from 35.7% in May.

The number of Democrats held steady at 34.0%. That marks a partial recovery for the president’s party. In February, just 32.4% described themselves as Democrats, the lowest level ever measured by Rasmussen Reports. Still, while the 34.0% figure is the best for Democrats in 2012, it’s down from earlier years.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/archive/mood_of_america_archive/partisan_trends/summary_of_party_affiliation

And he's being generous to the Republicans. When was the last time Republicans actually outnumbered Democrats among the general public? It simply hasn't happened in my lifetime, so Ras is wrong when he says it has.

A party for the rich simply isn't going to have that much real support.

According to what you just quoted, about 5 seconds ago.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Tender Branson on August 01, 2012, 12:53:54 PM

Well, I guess the folks "weighting" the polls at Quinnipiac know what they are doing.

Otherwise they wouldn't have correctly predicted the Romney+14 win in FL in the primaries and the Romney+1 win in OH. And also their FL 2008 poll was spot on, OH was only off by 2 points and PA was also spot on.

That's a possibility. That would of course discount that they 'knew what they were doing' a mere 3 months ago when the sample was GOP + 3, and, as to be expected, Romney had a 6 point lead.

At the time, interestingly enough, those results were disputed by Democrats.

Of course on October 23, 2008, Quinnipiac released a poll showing Obama up 14 in Ohio over McCain. Thus, history shows at best that they sometimes know what they are doing.

McCain was basically imploding in the first half of October 2008 ...

And there have been other polls during this period, even in OH, that had Obama up by 10+

Maybe he was really ahead by that much at this time.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: pepper11 on August 01, 2012, 01:05:20 PM
I guarantee neither campaign believes these numbers to be true...


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: MorningInAmerica on August 01, 2012, 02:40:20 PM
Harry Enten of the UK's The Guardian just tweeted this. Little perspective:
https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/230747065632825344

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Here were polls as of 11/1/2000 in FL: +7 Gore, +5 Gore, +2 Bush, +4 Bush, +5 Gore, +5 Bush. Ranges happen folks.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: President von Cat on August 01, 2012, 06:55:00 PM
JUNK POLL CUZ OBAMA HATES FREEDOM


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 02, 2012, 10:09:09 AM

Well, I guess the folks "weighting" the polls at Quinnipiac know what they are doing.

Otherwise they wouldn't have correctly predicted the Romney+14 win in FL in the primaries and the Romney+1 win in OH. And also their FL 2008 poll was spot on, OH was only off by 2 points and PA was also spot on.

That's a possibility. That would of course discount that they 'knew what they were doing' a mere 3 months ago when the sample was GOP + 3, and, as to be expected, Romney had a 6 point lead.

At the time, interestingly enough, those results were disputed by Democrats.

Of course on October 23, 2008, Quinnipiac released a poll showing Obama up 14 in Ohio over McCain. Thus, history shows at best that they sometimes know what they are doing.

McCain was basically imploding in the first half of October 2008 ...

And there have been other polls during this period, even in OH, that had Obama up by 10+

Maybe he was really ahead by that much at this time.

There was also a last minute push by a Republican PAC that basically threw everything but the kitchen sink at Obama in OH and Florida and that may account for the reason why they were within the national average, unlike some other swing states.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: pbrower2a on August 02, 2012, 10:53:35 PM
Basically all Quinnipiac just did was show us how Mitt Romney is performing in a 2008 electorate (D+9, D+8, D+6). I'd be interested in knowing how Romney performs in a likely 2012 electorate.

Romney probably wins with a 2010 electorate.

Nothing says that the 2012 electorate will be essentially more R than that of 2008. Expect the Obama campaign to have an effective GOTV campaign coordinated with unions. The GOP has done nothing to win over young voters. Romney increasingly looks like a bad candidate; his foreign tour was a disaster. 

It is possible to shape an election by shaping the electorate. You can be sure that the Obama campaign will be registering every possible D voter and goading each one to go to the polls. The Tea Party has achieved very little except to offend moderates and liberals. If President Obama and his people can help it far more than "likely (as a group R-leaning) voters" will be voting.

Even if States are sure things, Senate seats and many House seats are not.   


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: MorningInAmerica on August 03, 2012, 02:01:49 AM
Basically all Quinnipiac just did was show us how Mitt Romney is performing in a 2008 electorate (D+9, D+8, D+6). I'd be interested in knowing how Romney performs in a likely 2012 electorate.

Romney probably wins with a 2010 electorate.

Nothing says that the 2012 electorate will be essentially more R than that of 2008. Expect the Obama campaign to have an effective GOTV campaign coordinated with unions. The GOP has done nothing to win over young voters. Romney increasingly looks like a bad candidate; his foreign tour was a disaster.  

It is possible to shape an election by shaping the electorate. You can be sure that the Obama campaign will be registering every possible D voter and goading each one to go to the polls. The Tea Party has achieved very little except to offend moderates and liberals. If President Obama and his people can help it far more than "likely (as a group R-leaning) voters" will be voting.

Even if States are sure things, Senate seats and many House seats are not.    

Hear what you're saying, but it sounds like you're talking yourself into something. I don't see how anyone can believe that the 2012 electorate will be MORE Democratic than the 2008 electorate. Pure and simple.

Remember. Obama has a record now. Much unlike four years ago.


Title: Re: Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS Swing State Poll: Obama with big leads in PA, OH & FL
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on August 03, 2012, 01:24:40 PM
I would prefer to see these type of numbers when Sept or when the Mason Dixon polls come out, these polls are just as useless as the Rasmussen polls that showed the same thing in May, Obama leads in core btg states of OH, FL.