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Title: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (Law'd) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 18, 2012, 07:15:31 PM Quote A Bill Purpose: Co- operative support and job creation Section 1. TitleWorker Co-operative Pilot Program Section 2. Descripton This bill will start a pilot program that will focus on supporting worker co-operatives across the country. Section 3. Funding Funding: 1 Billion per year will be appropriated, 95% will be used to give favorable loan rates to co-operatives, and 5% on research and administration. Sponsor: Seatown Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 18, 2012, 07:17:17 PM Senator, you have 24 hours to advocate for this.
Is it customary to capitalize the first letter after a hyphen in cases like these? Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (Debating) Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on August 18, 2012, 09:24:57 PM I'm gonna need some serious convincing on this legislation, especially the billion dollar price tag.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (Debating) Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on August 18, 2012, 09:26:55 PM I find section two extremely unspecific and vague.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (Debating) Post by: Napoleon on August 18, 2012, 11:13:04 PM Is it customary to capitalize the first letter after a hyphen in cases like these? The Wiki happens to use both. (https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Capital_Gains_Tax_Co-Operative_Act) Hahaha. I'm gonna need some serious convincing on this legislation, especially the billion dollar price tag. That said, I think we should limit this program to three years and require businesses accepting these loans to share their information with the DoIA so we can properly evaluate their economic potential. The ESOPs in the law I linked to are given tax breaks but that doesn't necessarily correlate to an increase in that business model. Perhaps we may need Gm Shua to provide some information about the prevalence of ESOPs compared to more "traditional" business models. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 19, 2012, 06:41:37 PM Is it customary to capitalize the first letter after a hyphen in cases like these? The Wiki happens to use both. (https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Capital_Gains_Tax_Co-Operative_Act) Hahaha. lol, nice job Marokai. :P Well it is closer now to being accurate then what seatown originally put it as. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 19, 2012, 06:44:26 PM I don't have a particular problem with co-ops, but as Scott said this current text is presently lacking in definition and in standards, which poses and open invitation for fraud if you ask me.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 19, 2012, 06:47:35 PM I might be able to work up an amendment, but I will need some time.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN GET IN HERE!!!) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 20, 2012, 06:50:57 PM Oh no! SEATOWN!!!!!!!!! You let the 24 hours expire last night. :(
Motion to Table (unless there is a LOA somewhere from him) Damn it all the hell! Why can't you people just be active! Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: LastVoter on August 21, 2012, 12:01:01 AM Well, I thought you were going to introduce an amendment. But anyway I am introducing this because worker control results in fairer distribution of income, and there is not many loans given to traditional business models, much less not traditional ones right now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 21, 2012, 12:07:48 AM Whether or not someone says they will amend has no bearing on the obligations I place on sponsors in the first 24 hours. The very reason I place the obligation is so that the sponsor can respond to critiques and they can be dealt with quicker then otherwise would be the case. Not to mention it ensures the sponsor is there to answer questions and at least cares enough about the bill to post something about why it is needed in the first 24 hours. If a sponsor fails to do that, then I can only assume it isn't important and thus I will automatically motion to table all bills whose sponsor fails to post as required. This has been my policy for several months and has been mentioned or referred to in literally every bill brough to the floor since where I state, "okay you have 24 hours....".
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 21, 2012, 12:10:39 AM The motion will stand, but it is meaningless without a second and since you have posted I will recommend that no one second it.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 21, 2012, 12:13:17 AM Quote The MONDRAGON Co-operatives operate in accordance with a business model based on People and the Sovereignty of Labour, which has made it possible to develop highly participative companies rooted in solidarity, with a strong social dimension but without neglecting business excellence We should define this business model in the bill, otherwise with no legal defination of what qualifies for the loans, anyone could call themselves and Co-op and then be eligible for money. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 21, 2012, 12:21:03 AM Quote from: Amendment in Construction A Bill Purpose: Co- operative support and job creation Section 1. Title Worker Co-operative Pilot Program Section 2. Descripton This bill will start a pilot program that will focus on supporting worker co-operatives across the country. Section 3. Funding Funding: 1 Billion per year will be appropriated, 95% will be used to give favorable loan rates to co-operatives, and 5% on research and administration. Section 4. Standards for Qualification 1. In order to qualify for the above mentioned program, the organization must be structured in a way that it is owned and run by the employees of the company based on the principle of one-man, one-vote. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: LastVoter on August 21, 2012, 10:01:05 PM Quote from: Amendment in Construction A Bill Purpose: Co- operative support and job creation Section 1. Title Worker Co-operative Pilot Program Section 2. Descripton This bill will start a pilot program that will focus on supporting worker co-operatives across the country. Section 3. Funding Funding: 1 Billion per year will be appropriated, 95% will be used to give favorable loan rates to co-operatives, and 5% on research and administration. Section 4. Standards for Qualification 1. In order to qualify for the above mentioned program, the organization must be structured in a way that it is owned and run by the employees of the company based on the principle of one-man, one-vote. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 21, 2012, 10:18:30 PM I am not done yet. :P
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 21, 2012, 11:41:06 PM Quote from: Amendment 50:31 by NC Yankee A Bill Purpose: Co- operative support and job creation Section 1. Title Worker Co-operative Pilot Program Section 2. Descripton This bill will start a pilot program that will focus on supporting worker co-operatives across the country. Section 3. Funding Funding: 1 Billion per year will be appropriated, 95% will be used to give favorable loan rates to co-operatives, and 5% on research and administration. Section 4. Standards for Qualification 1. In order to qualify for the above mentioned program, the organization must be structured in a way that it is owned and/or run by the employees of the organization. 2. The organization must also be organized according to the ten basic cooperative principles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative_principles) 3. The Department of Internal Affairs will oversee the program and ensure that the above criteria are followed by all applicants considered. Sponsor Feedback: Needs Re-entry for Finalized Amendment Text Status: Awaiting Feedback Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: LastVoter on August 22, 2012, 09:18:19 PM Friendly
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 22, 2012, 11:38:06 PM Senators have 24 hours to object.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 23, 2012, 08:24:47 PM This has about three hours left.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 24, 2012, 10:34:08 PM The amendment has passed.
Is there anything else that needs to be done with this? Should we consider limiting this specific industries? I fear if too widely diseminated, we may not get an accurate picture of the results of the program. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on August 26, 2012, 12:14:17 AM What is meant by "favorable loan rates"? I'm wondering whether this program will end up operating at a loss or if the investment will be recouped.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 26, 2012, 02:00:57 AM Does the sponsor have any reponse to the Game Moderator?
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 27, 2012, 08:25:12 PM SEATOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: LastVoter on August 27, 2012, 08:32:51 PM What is meant by "favorable loan rates"? I'm wondering whether this program will end up operating at a loss or if the investment will be recouped. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 29, 2012, 10:34:19 PM Would that require an amendment?
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: LastVoter on August 29, 2012, 11:37:38 PM Would that require an amendment? Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 31, 2012, 08:41:45 PM You think? Doesn't sound promising from a strength of the language standpoint. :P
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: LastVoter on August 31, 2012, 08:46:56 PM You think? Doesn't sound promising from a strength of the language standpoint. :P Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 04, 2012, 01:56:38 AM Could you define what you mean by soon? It has been five days already.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: LastVoter on September 04, 2012, 09:36:34 PM Quote Purpose: Co- operative support and job creation Section 1. Title Worker Co-operative Pilot Program Section 2. Descripton This bill will start a pilot program that will focus on supporting worker co-operatives across the country. Section 3. Funding Funding: 1 Billion per year will be appropriated, 95% will be used to give favorable loan rates to co-operatives, and 5% on research and administration. Section 4. Standards for Qualification 1. In order to qualify for the above mentioned program, the organization must be structured in a way that it is owned and/or run by the employees of the organization. 2. The organization must also be organized according to the ten basic cooperative principles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative_principles) 3. The Department of Internal Affairs will oversee the program and ensure that the above criteria are followed by all applicants considered. 4. The $.95 billion will be used to cover the difference in interest loan that would be typically at 6-7%, the loans under this program cannot be given at more than 5% annual interest. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 05, 2012, 12:02:44 AM First off, remove the highlighting of the section I added, which is now in the current text, and instead highly the changes you are making.
Then if you could label it as Amendment introduce/offered/proposed/ or just state "I offer this amendment", then I could move forward with the process. Every text is not an amendment, even if every amendment is a text. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: LastVoter on September 05, 2012, 12:05:38 AM Amendment:
Quote Purpose: Co- operative support and job creation Section 1. Title Worker Co-operative Pilot Program Section 2. Descripton This bill will start a pilot program that will focus on supporting worker co-operatives across the country. Section 3. Funding Funding: 1 Billion per year will be appropriated, 95% will be used to give favorable loan rates to co-operatives, and 5% on research and administration. Section 4. Standards for Qualification 1. In order to qualify for the above mentioned program, the organization must be structured in a way that it is owned and/or run by the employees of the organization. 2. The organization must also be organized according to the ten basic cooperative principles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative_principles) 3. The Department of Internal Affairs will oversee the program and ensure that the above criteria are followed by all applicants considered. 4. The $.95 billion will be used to cover the difference in interest loan that would be typically at 6-7%, the loans under this program cannot be given at more than 5% annual interest. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 05, 2012, 01:21:33 AM Quote from: Amendment 50:39 by Seatown Purpose: Co- operative support and job creation Section 1. Title Worker Co-operative Pilot Program Section 2. Descripton This bill will start a pilot program that will focus on supporting worker co-operatives across the country. Section 3. Funding Funding: 1 Billion per year will be appropriated, 95% will be used to give favorable loan rates to co-operatives, and 5% on research and administration. Section 4. Standards for Qualification 1. In order to qualify for the above mentioned program, the organization must be structured in a way that it is owned and/or run by the employees of the organization. 2. The organization must also be organized according to the ten basic cooperative principles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative_principles) 3. The Department of Internal Affairs will oversee the program and ensure that the above criteria are followed by all applicants considered. 4. The $.95 billion will be used to cover the difference in interest loan that would be typically at 6-7%, the loans under this program cannot be given at more than 5% annual interest. Sponsor Feedback: Origination Status: Senators have 24 hours to object. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 06, 2012, 01:23:13 AM The amendment has passed.
Are we done here? No answer will lead me to open a vote tomorrow when I come on. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (SEATOWN! GTF IN HERE!!!) Post by: LastVoter on September 06, 2012, 01:23:50 AM Yea, final vote time.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (At Final Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 06, 2012, 01:40:15 AM Senators a vote is now open on this bill, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (At Final Vote) Post by: Sbane on September 06, 2012, 08:14:30 AM Nay
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (At Final Vote) Post by: Redalgo on September 06, 2012, 09:28:27 AM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (At Final Vote) Post by: LastVoter on September 06, 2012, 10:56:15 AM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (At Final Vote) Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on September 06, 2012, 03:15:14 PM Abstain
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (At Final Vote) Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on September 06, 2012, 03:25:12 PM Nay
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (At Final Vote) Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on September 06, 2012, 08:02:16 PM Abstain.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (At Final Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 06, 2012, 11:36:08 PM Well this will at least give the SoIA something to do that isn't from a while ago, and thus easily ignored. :P
Aye. I would prefer it to be funded and have a time sunset but we'll monitor what the SoIA and GM say about it and reform it as we go if needed. That is how these things are suppose to work. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (At Final Vote) Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on September 09, 2012, 07:24:32 PM Not sure if I'm able to vote on this bill since I wasn't sworn in until after voting began. Either way, I was not able to participate in the debate, so if I can vote, I feel like I have to...
Abstain Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (At Final Vote) Post by: Svensson on September 09, 2012, 07:46:05 PM If I even can vote, as Hagrid said:
ABSTAIN. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (On the President's Desk) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 15, 2012, 12:29:45 AM Vote on Final Passage of the Worker Co-operative Pilot Program:
Aye (3): NC Yankee, Redalgo, and Seatown Nay (2): Ben and Sbane Abstain (4): Clarence, Hagrid, NVTownsend, and Scott Didn't Vote (1): AndrewTX/BK, Marokai Blue (didn't alter vote cast by predecessor), TJ (vote cast by successor), With three votes in the affirmative and two in the negative, the bill is passed and presented to the President for his signature or veto. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (On the President's Desk) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 15, 2012, 12:31:39 AM Quote from: Final Text Purpose: Co- operative support and job creation Section 1. Title Worker Co-operative Pilot Program Section 2. Descripton This bill will start a pilot program that will focus on supporting worker co-operatives across the country. Section 3. Funding Funding: 1 Billion per year will be appropriated, 95% will be used to give favorable loan rates to co-operatives, and 5% on research and administration. Section 4. Standards for Qualification 1. In order to qualify for the above mentioned program, the organization must be structured in a way that it is owned and/or run by the employees of the organization. 2. The organization must also be organized according to the ten basic cooperative principles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative_principles) 3. The Department of Internal Affairs will oversee the program and ensure that the above criteria are followed by all applicants considered. 4. The $.95 billion will be used to cover the difference in interest loan that would be typically at 6-7%, the loans under this program cannot be given at more than 5% annual interest. |