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Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion => Election What-ifs? => Topic started by: futurepres on August 30, 2012, 03:17:52 PM



Title: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: futurepres on August 30, 2012, 03:17:52 PM
Democrat vs Democrat. Who'd you vote for? Didn't realize the question mark in the title.


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: Maxwell on August 30, 2012, 03:25:25 PM
Clinton, obviously.


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: Supersonic on August 30, 2012, 03:27:02 PM


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on August 30, 2012, 03:39:41 PM
From these two? Easily Obama.


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 30, 2012, 03:40:35 PM


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: Thomas D on August 30, 2012, 04:21:00 PM
Obama


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: Talleyrand on August 30, 2012, 05:31:15 PM


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: Warren 4 Secretary of Everything on August 30, 2012, 10:46:39 PM


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: Jerseyrules on August 30, 2012, 11:08:25 PM


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on August 31, 2012, 12:13:30 AM


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: CultureKing on August 31, 2012, 12:34:28 AM


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: Sasquatch on August 31, 2012, 01:21:32 AM
Bill Clinton would win this handily.


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: Peeperkorn on August 31, 2012, 01:36:41 AM


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: Niemeyerite on August 31, 2012, 09:22:44 AM
Obama, obviously. America would surely have a great President anyway.


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on August 31, 2012, 11:31:53 AM


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: Goldwater on August 31, 2012, 11:40:03 PM


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: Napoleon on August 31, 2012, 11:42:31 PM


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: Napoleon on August 31, 2012, 11:43:58 PM
I fully credit Clinton for liberals winning the culture war. Obama's only a disappointment.


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: Beet on August 31, 2012, 11:59:53 PM
One thing Obama clearly has over Clinton so far is that he's kept his personal life together.


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: Spamage on September 01, 2012, 12:04:47 AM


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: TNF on September 01, 2012, 06:36:28 AM
Obama has been a far more effective President than Clinton ever was. So, Obama.


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: Jerseyrules on September 01, 2012, 10:15:02 PM
Obama has been a far more effective President than Clinton ever was. So, Obama.

...why do you think so?


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: Beet on September 01, 2012, 11:53:26 PM
Obama has been a far more effective President than Clinton ever was. So, Obama.

...why do you think so?

I've been pleasantly surprised at his skill at working with Congress in his first two years, and during the lame duck session. He got a lot more legislation through Congress than Clinton, whose health care initiative never even made it out of committee. If he were to win reelection I have little doubt he'd be able to go back and hammer out a deal with Boehner to cut the structural deficit, likely based around the deal they were close to in 2011.


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: Incipimus iterum on September 02, 2012, 12:27:21 AM
Clinton Obviously


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on September 02, 2012, 12:33:36 AM
I fully credit Clinton for liberals winning the culture war. Obama's only a disappointment.

The Clinton who signed DOMA into law?


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: morgieb on September 02, 2012, 12:46:03 AM
I fully credit Clinton for liberals winning the culture war. Obama's only a disappointment.

The Clinton who signed DOMA into law?
Don't forget DADT.


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: Jerseyrules on September 02, 2012, 01:52:05 AM
Obama has been a far more effective President than Clinton ever was. So, Obama.

...why do you think so?

I've been pleasantly surprised at his skill at working with Congress in his first two years, and during the lame duck session. He got a lot more legislation through Congress than Clinton, whose health care initiative never even made it out of committee. If he were to win reelection I have little doubt he'd be able to go back and hammer out a deal with Boehner to cut the structural deficit, likely based around the deal they were close to in 2011.

I think Clinton was a center-right president though.  I'm assuming most of the bills Obama got out of congress were during the Democratic majorities in Congress 09-11; Clinton probably didn't want to sign a lot of them, and didn't really lead from the front lines until post-94.


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: The Lord Marbury on September 02, 2012, 09:34:33 AM
Clinton blowout.


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: Vosem on September 02, 2012, 02:29:33 PM


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: Beet on September 02, 2012, 02:34:35 PM
Obama has been a far more effective President than Clinton ever was. So, Obama.

...why do you think so?

I've been pleasantly surprised at his skill at working with Congress in his first two years, and during the lame duck session. He got a lot more legislation through Congress than Clinton, whose health care initiative never even made it out of committee. If he were to win reelection I have little doubt he'd be able to go back and hammer out a deal with Boehner to cut the structural deficit, likely based around the deal they were close to in 2011.

I think Clinton was a center-right president though.  I'm assuming most of the bills Obama got out of congress were during the Democratic majorities in Congress 09-11; Clinton probably didn't want to sign a lot of them, and didn't really lead from the front lines until post-94.

Clinton's health care plan was to the left of Obama's; remember, Obama's health care plan is what conservatives proposed as the alternative to the Clinton plan in 1993. And he definitely put his personal political capital on the line for it.

Clinton's mistake was that he and Hillary put together the plan in secret in a highly centralized White House committee and then tried to ram it through Congress without sufficiently consulting was Congress was willing to pass. The top-down approach failed. Obama was much smarter about it-- he basically let Congress create the plan and simply endorsed it. Compared to Clinton he was a legislative genius-- the opposite of what I had feared when he came in.

Obama is to the right of Clinton in the other ways too-- he is against Clinton's tax levels, and mostly supports the Bush tax policy.


Title: Re: Bill Clinton vs Barack Obama?
Post by: Napoleon on September 03, 2012, 08:35:04 PM
I fully credit Clinton for liberals winning the culture war. Obama's only a disappointment.

The Clinton who signed DOMA into law?

Yeah. For those of us who understand politics at even the most basic of levels, its pretty obvious that DOMA was a way to mitigate the proponents of a Federal Marriage Amendment (and it worked). Clinton came out for gay marriage before Obama, anyway, and didn't need to use a Vice President to cover his ass.

I fully credit Clinton for liberals winning the culture war. Obama's only a disappointment.

The Clinton who signed DOMA into law?
Don't forget DADT.

DADT was a liberalization of the current law. Clinton actively campaigned on allowing gays serve openly in the military, but the compromise DADT was what Congress passed.