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Title: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (Passed) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 29, 2012, 01:10:27 AM Quote A RESOLUTION To create a Standing Committee for the tasks of cooperating with the Secretary of Internal Affairs on issues that are related to education, finance, the public health, and other matters. Be it enacted by the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia assembled. SECTION 1. TITLE This legislation may be cited as the ‘Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution .’ SECTION 2. DESCRIPTION This resolution shall create the Senate Committee on the Internal Affairs as a special committee of the Senate tasked with the duties of coordinating with the Secretary of Internal Affairs on matters that relate to:
SECTION 3. MEMBERSHIP 1.) The President of the Senate shall open nominations for committee membership at the start of each session, for a period of seventy-two hours. The Senate shall then select three of the nominees to serve on the Committee. 2.) Once selected, the Committee members shall select the Chairman from amongst themselves. The Chairman shall open the thread and preside over all hearings and functions of the Committee. 3.) The Chairman may be replaced by the President of the Senate, if he has been absent longer than a week. If the Chairman takes an announced leave of absence, the replacement shall only serve until the Senator's return. 4.) If a member of the committee resigns his position on the committee, or leaves the Senate, the full Senate shall select a replacement. 5.) Consideration for bills and hearings/proceedings may only occur in the committee for a maximum of seven days before being forwarded to the Senate. Sponsor: Scott Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 29, 2012, 01:13:14 AM 24 hours Scott, or the song I am listening to right now will be your fate.
There's no time left for you, No time left yoooouuuuu. No Time! No Time! No Time! I got got got got no time! You get the idea. :P Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution (Debating) Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on September 29, 2012, 01:18:48 AM I wrote this legislation at the request of the President. Now, I know what a lot of people are going to say: "Aw, not another friggin' committee. Don't we have enough of those, already?" However, I think this committee will serve a good purpose. The office of the SoIA, in my opinion, can have a much more significant role in the game if it is assigned a Senate committee that it can work with. As the Government Oversight and Reform Committee observed in the last session, there is, unfortunately, very little communication between the SoIA and other departments of our government. I believe that before we move to abolish that position, we ought to try passing this resolution and judge the results that follow.
Out of fairness to other senators, I will not apply for a spot on the new committee should this resolution pass. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 29, 2012, 01:28:16 AM I agree on the areas of policy that are specific to the SoIA, having a CoIA as it were would certainly help ensure that the SoIA be active and engaged. If he constantly has a dedicated committee looking over his shoulder to satisfy.
As ofr the lack of communication/interaction, that in my opinion is systemtic nad the same probably applies to the SoEA as well, atleast at various points in our history. The only committee with the breadth to attack this problem is and will remain the GOR. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution (Debating) Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on September 29, 2012, 01:35:28 AM Good point. I will amend for that line to be removed.
Quote A RESOLUTION To create a Standing Committee for the tasks of cooperating with the Secretary of Internal Affairs on issues that are related to education, finance, the public health, and other matters. Be it enacted by the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia assembled. SECTION 1. TITLE This legislation may be cited as the ‘Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution .’ SECTION 2. DESCRIPTION This resolution shall create the Senate Committee on the Internal Affairs as a special committee of the Senate tasked with the duties of coordinating with the Secretary of Internal Affairs on matters that relate to:
SECTION 3. MEMBERSHIP 1.) The President of the Senate shall open nominations for committee membership at the start of each session, for a period of seventy-two hours. The Senate shall then select three of the nominees to serve on the Committee. 2.) Once selected, the Committee members shall select the Chairman from amongst themselves. The Chairman shall open the thread and preside over all hearings and functions of the Committee. 3.) The Chairman may be replaced by the President of the Senate, if he has been absent longer than a week. If the Chairman takes an announced leave of absence, the replacement shall only serve until the Senator's return. 4.) If a member of the committee resigns his position on the committee, or leaves the Senate, the full Senate shall select a replacement. 5.) Consideration for bills and hearings/proceedings may only occur in the committee for a maximum of seven days before being forwarded to the Senate. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution (Debating) Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on September 29, 2012, 01:38:21 AM I'd like to wait to see what happens with the Getting Real About the Cabinet Act before I comment too much on this bill.
I do agree though that we sort of need a committee like this one if we're going to have a committee system. The trouble is, will we ever have an SoIA who'll actually appear in front of this committee? You seem to have faith that the problem is not with the SoIA, but with the fact that he doesn't have enough to do. I disagree. And since the Contempt of Congress Act seems to have failed, there's no way to ensure that we'll have the SoIA's co-operation with this committee. Without a willingness on the part of this cabinet secretary to participate, the committee becomes a little superluous—and I would hate to sign off on a bill that would pointlessly expand the bureaucracy. This bill would make the consequences of an inactive SoIA even more problematic. Still, I'll probably support the bill... but I have reservations. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 29, 2012, 01:40:17 AM Quote from: Amendment 51:09 by Scott A RESOLUTION To create a Standing Committee for the tasks of cooperating with the Secretary of Internal Affairs on issues that are related to education, finance, the public health, and other matters. Be it enacted by the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia assembled. SECTION 1. TITLE This legislation may be cited as the ‘Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution .’ SECTION 2. DESCRIPTION This resolution shall create the Senate Committee on the Internal Affairs as a special committee of the Senate tasked with the duties of coordinating with the Secretary of Internal Affairs on matters that relate to:
SECTION 3. MEMBERSHIP 1.) The President of the Senate shall open nominations for committee membership at the start of each session, for a period of seventy-two hours. The Senate shall then select three of the nominees to serve on the Committee. 2.) Once selected, the Committee members shall select the Chairman from amongst themselves. The Chairman shall open the thread and preside over all hearings and functions of the Committee. 3.) The Chairman may be replaced by the President of the Senate, if he has been absent longer than a week. If the Chairman takes an announced leave of absence, the replacement shall only serve until the Senator's return. 4.) If a member of the committee resigns his position on the committee, or leaves the Senate, the full Senate shall select a replacement. 5.) Consideration for bills and hearings/proceedings may only occur in the committee for a maximum of seven days before being forwarded to the Senate. Sponsor Feedback: Origination Status: Senators have 24 hours to object. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 29, 2012, 01:43:35 AM I'd like to wait to see what happens with the Getting Real About the Cabinet Act before I comment too much on this bill. I do agree though that we sort of need a committee like this one if we're going to have a committee system. The trouble is, will we ever have an SoIA who'll actually appear in front of this committee? You seem to have faith that the problem is not with the SoIA, but with the fact that he doesn't have enough to do. I disagree. And since the Contempt of Congress Act seems to have failed, there's no way to ensure that we'll have the SoIA's co-operation with this committee. Without a willingness on the part of this cabinet secretary to participate, the committee becomes a little superluous—and I would hate to sign off on a bill that would pointlessly expand the bureaucracy. This bill would make the consequences of an inactive SoIA even more problematic. Still, I'll probably support the bill... but I have reservations. He has plenty to do already, this is about ensuring that there is interaction that will require he be active or replaced. There may be other ways to approach the contempt issue that will pass. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution (Debating) Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on September 29, 2012, 01:49:39 AM The SoIA is going to be expected to work with the committee with the Contempt of Congress Act in place or not. If the secretary isn't willing to do his job and participate, he can be removed.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 30, 2012, 01:42:09 AM The amendment has passed. By one minute. :P
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution (Debating) Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on September 30, 2012, 02:06:47 AM The SoIA is going to be expected to work with the committee with the Contempt of Congress Act in place or not. If the secretary isn't willing to do his job and participate, he can be removed. Just so I know for the future, what current law provides that the SoIA could be replaced due to inactivity? Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution (Debating) Post by: Napoleon on September 30, 2012, 02:08:44 AM The SoIA is going to be expected to work with the committee with the Contempt of Congress Act in place or not. If the secretary isn't willing to do his job and participate, he can be removed. Just so I know for the future, what current law provides that the SoIA could be replaced due to inactivity? Dismissal by the President, in accordance with Article II, Section 1, Clause 4. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 01, 2012, 01:03:16 AM So is that all here?
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution (Debating) Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on October 01, 2012, 01:08:30 AM I think so.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution (Deba) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 01, 2012, 01:31:12 AM Damn it this still has a little under 24 hours left.
I ask Unanimous Consent to waive the cloture requirement to proceed immediately to a final vote, Senators have 24 hours to object. This way when the minimum debate time expires we can just open the vote, basically and won't have to worry about any subsequent discussion. Unless someone objects of course. I didn't include the debate time minimum in the UC because it will run out a few minutes before the UC does on its own anyway. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution (Debating) Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on October 01, 2012, 01:53:40 PM I would've liked to include urban affairs in section 2, but I'll refrain from proposing an amendment if we're in a hurry to get the resolution passed.
Dismissal by the President, in accordance with Article II, Section 1, Clause 4. Also, I appreciate your answer here. Although hopefully you can understand why that does not make me confident... and I would say the same thing if anyone were president. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution (Debating) Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on October 01, 2012, 02:00:21 PM I would've liked to include urban affairs in section 2, but I'll refrain from proposing an amendment if we're in a hurry to get the resolution passed. Dismissal by the President, in accordance with Article II, Section 1, Clause 4. Also, I appreciate your answer here. Although hopefully you can understand why that does not make me confident... and I would say the same thing if anyone were president. Yeah, I should've included that. "Housing" should suffice, though. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution (Debating) Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on October 01, 2012, 02:15:32 PM Yes, sort of. :P
I do not object to UC for a final vote. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution (Debating) Post by: Marokai Backbeat on October 02, 2012, 12:46:52 AM I object to UC and ask for a cloture vote.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 02, 2012, 12:53:47 AM WTF MArokai that has never been objected to before! >:( You better have a pretty damn good reason. If you want the housing thing added there is a much faster way to go about it then trying to force a failing cloture vote. ::) Start talking!!!
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution (Debating) Post by: Marokai Backbeat on October 02, 2012, 01:03:42 AM WTF MArokai that has never been objected to before! >:( You better have a pretty damn good reason. If you want the housing thing added there is a much faster way to go about it then trying to force a failing cloture vote. ::) Start talking!!! It's nothing personal, I'm just trying to keep this from being dealt with until my proposal to get rid of the SoIA section of the constitution has been passed or rejected. It feels weird talking about how to expand the position when we are simultaneously debating ending it. Title: Re: SENATE BILL:...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (Cloture At Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 02, 2012, 01:16:49 AM Thanks to Franzl and Hagrid that got delayed another 24 hours as well.
Senators, Cloture is now at vote on this SCoIA Creation Resolution to end debate and proceed immediately to a final vote. Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution (Debating) Post by: Marokai Backbeat on October 02, 2012, 01:18:06 AM Nay.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 02, 2012, 01:18:28 AM We got starve the beast, we got dillatory tactics, and we basically got fillibustering going on here. Fing Obstructionist Tea Partier!
AYE Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Creation Resolution (Debating) Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on October 02, 2012, 01:18:40 AM Aye.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (Cloture AT VOTE ) Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on October 02, 2012, 01:34:38 AM Abstain
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (Cloture AT VOTE ) Post by: Franzl on October 02, 2012, 03:05:15 AM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (Cloture AT VOTE ) Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on October 02, 2012, 08:31:56 AM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (Cloture AT VOTE ) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 04, 2012, 12:36:01 AM This is simply not going to suffice it people. I PMed every singe one of you, about this. >:( What part of "I WANT YOU, DAY AFTER DAY" did you not understand? >:D
We got 4-1-1 here in a body of 10. These numbers don't add up, where I come from, just a simple country boy from rural Pennsylvania. Bacon King, NVTownsend, Redalgo and sbane, where are you people? Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (Cloture AT VOTE ) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 06, 2012, 12:07:46 AM MAROKAI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOOK WHAT YOU DID! YOU GOT THIS WHOLE BILL STUCK IN A SEVEN DAY VOTE ON A PROCEDURAL MATTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (Cloture AT VOTE ) Post by: Sbane on October 06, 2012, 01:49:41 PM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (Cloture AT VOTE ) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 08, 2012, 11:19:57 AM This cloture vote is failing bitches and we are stuck in it until tomorrow. CAN YOU BELIVE THAT WE WAISTED A WEEK ON A PROCEDURAL VOTE ONLY TO HAVE A IT FAIL?!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is why I created UC to render cloture unnecessary. Standard Operating proceduce now is: 1. Everybody STFU for 24 hours 2. UC for one someone accidentally forgets 3. Cloture for when someone refuses to STFU and everyone else thinks he should. This should have been waived through and instead has been messed up for a whole week. I will never forgive you for this Marokai. Because fake bills in a political simulation are obviously serious business. :P Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 09, 2012, 01:02:37 AM Vote on Cloture: Aye (5): Ben, Franzl, NC Yankee, sbane, and Scott Nay (1): Marokai Blue Abstain (1): Hagrid Didn't Vote (3): Bacon King, NVTownsend and Redalgo. Cloture has not been acheived. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 09, 2012, 01:03:09 AM Do I hear any requests for a final vote here?
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (Cloture AT VOTE ) Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on October 09, 2012, 01:04:16 AM Please.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (At Final Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 09, 2012, 01:18:45 AM Praise the lord, we hath received his deliverance from the devil's hand maiden.
Senators, this bill is now at final vote, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (At Final Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 09, 2012, 01:20:00 AM OH YES! SO INCREDIBLY Fing AYE
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (At Final Vote) Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on October 09, 2012, 01:30:21 AM Aye.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (At Final Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 09, 2012, 11:08:43 AM I expect this to be done quickly. We have an urgent crisis on our hands...!
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (At Final Vote) Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on October 09, 2012, 04:38:52 PM Abstain
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (At Final Vote) Post by: Marokai Backbeat on October 09, 2012, 07:21:10 PM Abstain.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (At Final Vote) Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on October 09, 2012, 07:37:48 PM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (At Final Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 11, 2012, 12:23:06 AM I think I just found another reason to oppose Marokai's Gun bill, I suddenly feel the need for a machine pistol. ::)
3-0-2 Unreal. ::) Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (At Final Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 12, 2012, 12:31:17 AM I think I am going to need an RPG actually. ::)
Someone vote, before I feel the need for even more firepower. :P Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (At Final Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 12, 2012, 11:28:59 PM How do we go four days without a single vote on a bill that only has five so far?
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (At Final Vote) Post by: Franzl on October 13, 2012, 04:24:50 AM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (At Final Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 15, 2012, 02:53:12 AM What the hell? 4-0-2 is still crap! >:(
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (At Final Vote) Post by: Sbane on October 15, 2012, 08:37:50 PM Abstain
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (Passed) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 17, 2012, 12:22:22 AM I had planned to end this last night but I have only been able to get on for short periods of time on here, because of a problem with the internet. The phone jack in which it was plugged in burnt out. We replaced it and now it is back to normal. sh**tty, but in a normal kind of way. :P
Final Vote on passage of the Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Resolution: Aye (4): Ben, Franzl, NC Yankee, and Scott Nay (0): Abstain (2): Marokai Blue and sbane Didn't Vote (4): Bacon King, Hagrid, NVTownsend, and Redalgo The resolution has passed. We spent 2/3rds of a month on something that should have been waived through, now we only have two weeks left, we couldn't get it up and running before the end of the Senate if we started tonight. This is despicable. First we had dillatory tactics employed, it takes a weeks to wait for a cloture vote to fail because too few vote on it, and then it takes a week to produce a 4-0-2 vote? How can you justify this. A WEEK!!! I understand finals and other concerns, but damn it. A ING WEEK!!!! Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (Passed) Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on October 17, 2012, 08:29:31 PM I voted abstain, you can see above.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (Passed) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 18, 2012, 01:26:37 AM I still think it is a despicable result whether it is 4-0-2 or 4-0-3. :P
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (Passed) Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on October 18, 2012, 10:20:26 PM Fair enough. :P
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