Title: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Keystone Phil on October 04, 2012, 09:25:44 AM http://mobile.philly.com/news/?wss=/philly/education&id=172580131 (http://mobile.philly.com/news/?wss=/philly/education&id=172580131)
The teacher publicly berated her and asked other teachers and students to bully her. She also stated that the student was at a "Democratic school" and that wearing a Romney shirt would be like a black teacher wearing a KKK shirt. The teacher went on to say that she was "just joking"...then stormed out of the school. If this doesn't make you sick... Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Napoleon on October 04, 2012, 09:44:17 AM Needs terminated today.
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: © tweed on October 04, 2012, 09:46:59 AM Needs terminated today. no Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: © tweed on October 04, 2012, 09:48:09 AM would the outcry be as vociferous in the case of a teacher who demanded a student recite the Pledge of Allegiance? this happened to me and I cited WV Board v Barnett, then took to reading the Soviet National Anthem during the pledge reading. With Stalin our leader, classless and free!
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: © tweed on October 04, 2012, 09:49:30 AM haha also my grandfather - Korean War vet got a flag from the American Legion yesterday. my response: "the Supreme Court says you can burn those things!" he still loves me, against all odds.
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Zioneer on October 04, 2012, 09:49:46 AM Yeah, I have to agree with you this time. Teachers shouldn't be berating students about politics; they can talk about politics sure, but since teachers are public figures themselves, they need self-control and good manners when talking about politics. The teacher needs to face discipline.
Of course, more context would be nice. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: © tweed on October 04, 2012, 09:50:00 AM does Keystone Phil support Tinker v DeMoines? Clarence Thomas doesn't.
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Napoleon on October 04, 2012, 10:17:06 AM would the outcry be as vociferous in the case of a teacher who demanded a student recite the Pledge of Allegiance? Yes, reason being, I support free speech and expression. Obviously there are a few restrictions in schools, but you can't be forced to recite the Pledge of Allegiance and you shouldn't be treated like this for wearing clothing within the school's dress code. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: © tweed on October 04, 2012, 10:19:35 AM would the outcry be as vociferous in the case of a teacher who demanded a student recite the Pledge of Allegiance? of course but once we start talking about disciplining the teacher it becomes a labor & employment issue. plus let's try to back the right-wingers here into a corner on student free-speech rights, something they've never liked. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: You kip if you want to... on October 04, 2012, 11:07:50 AM I would've laughed if I was in that class.
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: minionofmidas on October 04, 2012, 11:24:57 AM Lol Humans.
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Silent Hunter on October 04, 2012, 11:26:53 AM This is why school uniforms are a good idea.
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: minionofmidas on October 04, 2012, 11:28:32 AM This is why school uniforms are a good idea. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Keystone Phil on October 04, 2012, 11:31:11 AM This is why school uniforms are a good idea. It would happen with far more frequency during the political season if uniforms weren't mandatory. :P Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: minionofmidas on October 04, 2012, 11:37:30 AM This is why school uniforms are a good idea. It would happen with far more frequency during the political season if uniforms weren't mandatory. :P *and in regards to what's worn, most things are. And in regards to how teachers can comment on what's worn, freaking out like this is certainly not. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Keystone Phil on October 04, 2012, 11:53:38 AM This is why school uniforms are a good idea. It would happen with far more frequency during the political season if uniforms weren't mandatory. :P *and in regards to what's worn, most things are. And in regards to how teachers can comment on what's worn, freaking out like this is certainly not. I'm not suggesting that wearing political gear would become standard but there's definitely a greater chance of someone sporting campaign attire when "regular" clothes can be worn every day as opposed to the occasional dress down day. Also, I'm not suggesting that blow ups like this would occur as frequently but minor issues (things that don't make national news. Maybe just a minor classroom disturbance) would happen more often. Unless they stated from the start that political attire is not permitted...which is just another step towards uniforms, right? ;) Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: danny on October 04, 2012, 02:32:21 PM Needs terminated today. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: 5280 on October 04, 2012, 03:09:28 PM Can the teacher.
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Link on October 04, 2012, 03:35:13 PM would the outcry be as vociferous in the case of a teacher who demanded a student recite the Pledge of Allegiance? Doubt it. You are dealing with people with very selective outrage. Yeah, I have to agree with you this time. Teachers shouldn't be berating students about politics; they can talk about politics sure, but since teachers are public figures themselves, they need self-control and good manners when talking about politics. Being a "public figure" has nothing to do with it. People shouldn't be expressing political opinions to any children except their own. And really they should only do that sparingly when the children are older teenagers. This forum stands as a testament to what goes wrong when young people who don't have a clue get deeply involved in politics. Children should be concentrating on reading, writing, science, math, and REAL history. 95% of what goes on in politics is pure nonsense. Young people need to be focused on facts and reason... not nonsense. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: J. J. on October 04, 2012, 03:41:31 PM would the outcry be as vociferous in the case of a teacher who demanded a student recite the Pledge of Allegiance? Doubt it. You are dealing with people with very selective outrage. Yeah, I have to agree with you this time. Teachers shouldn't be berating students about politics; they can talk about politics sure, but since teachers are public figures themselves, they need self-control and good manners when talking about politics. Being a "public figure" has nothing to do with it. People shouldn't be expressing political opinions to any children except their own. And really they should only do that sparingly when the children are older teenagers. This forum stands as a testament to what goes wrong when young people who don't have a clue get deeply involved in politics. Children should be concentrating on reading, writing, science, math, and REAL history. 95% of what goes on in politics is pure nonsense. Young people need to be focused on facts and reason... not nonsense. Ever hear of "civics?" Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on October 04, 2012, 03:55:25 PM No seriously this is not a joking matter. If a teacher called a student wearing an Obama shirt a supporter of terrorism or whatever, you'd always be calling for the teacher to be publicly executed.
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Keystone Phil on October 04, 2012, 04:23:59 PM I know this is a story because it was a Romney shirt but please, for a moment, take politics out of this. We have a teacher here that asked students and fellow teachers to mock a student after already mocking the girl in class and intimidating her ("This is a Democratic school" Note the irony). Then, after being reprimanded, she blamed the girl by telling the class, "I'm not allowed to joke with you anymore." She then left the building.
This is someone who was trusted with teaching and supervising children. Everyone should be enraged by this behavior. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Link on October 04, 2012, 05:04:46 PM would the outcry be as vociferous in the case of a teacher who demanded a student recite the Pledge of Allegiance? Doubt it. You are dealing with people with very selective outrage. Yeah, I have to agree with you this time. Teachers shouldn't be berating students about politics; they can talk about politics sure, but since teachers are public figures themselves, they need self-control and good manners when talking about politics. Being a "public figure" has nothing to do with it. People shouldn't be expressing political opinions to any children except their own. And really they should only do that sparingly when the children are older teenagers. This forum stands as a testament to what goes wrong when young people who don't have a clue get deeply involved in politics. Children should be concentrating on reading, writing, science, math, and REAL history. 95% of what goes on in politics is pure nonsense. Young people need to be focused on facts and reason... not nonsense. Ever hear of "civics?" Once again you know exactly what I mean but have decided to give us your usual retort. In a classroom you can factually describe the position of Speaker of the House. You can show where the duties and requirements for the office are laid out in the Constitution. You can list several recent speakers such as Boehner, Pelosi, and Gingrich. You can list their legislative accomplishments. This is all factual. It is not anyone's opinion. And as I said when the children start getting older and are in their late teens you can even present quotes from Op Eds, books, radio shows, and television shows. Again those are other people's opinions. You can teach the entire class and the students would have no clue who you voted for. You can present the information in a neutral way and then moderate. You don't have to go in and start spouting your partisan opinion. I would never repeat most of what I type on here in front of children. They deserve to have a chance to live a care free childhood and concentrate on gathering the building blocks they will use once they have more life experience. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on October 04, 2012, 05:14:13 PM Teacher had a point.
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Sbane on October 04, 2012, 07:09:40 PM I would pay good money to observe drama like this. I especially enjoyed the part about her leaving the school.
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: DrScholl on October 04, 2012, 07:27:04 PM The teacher shouldn't have said that, but it's one of those things that comes off as funny.
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: morgieb on October 04, 2012, 07:37:51 PM Wow, that's a bit of a **** of a teacher.
Also, I'm surprised this thread wasn't created by krazen. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Torie on October 04, 2012, 09:27:00 PM If a teacher had ever tried to do that with me ... well you just guess.
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on October 04, 2012, 09:43:46 PM My teachers are too aware of what my reaction would be to try that with me... Charming little fycker, aren't you? Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Link on October 04, 2012, 09:44:39 PM Where are people going to school where they have to worry about contingency plans for this situation? I've lived for decades in a country with hundreds of millions of people and this is the first time I've ever heard about something this extreme.
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Link on October 04, 2012, 10:59:44 PM High schoolers do not have strong opinions about economics or foreign policy (as opposed to social policy like abortion or gay marriage) and are therefore very willing to listen to someone they trust who does, like me. When politics is discussed in my clique, it usually comes down to me saying something and everyone agreeing. I am a rather persuasive person in real life (I recall a rather heated argument about Libya with my English teacher, where I was actually against intervention and she was for it, where I managed to convince the entire class that Gaddafi was preferable to the rebels, and f**k the mainstream media). So you think you convinced a bunch of disinterested adolescents. And a busy English teacher moved on from your protracted political speech. You know Vosem sometimes when adults just keep quiet and let you finish saying what you are saying and then move on it is not because you convinced them. Sometimes they just want to get on with their work so they humor the most talkative person. Once that person is satisfied they have convinced everyone in the room then the adult is free to move on with their day. I generally don't initiate political conversations at work. And if someone else engages me I never tell them my true feelings until I've ascertained theirs and I have some level of comfort they aren't going to blab my opinion all over the place. Even then most of stuff I say on this forum stays in my head. Most of the time when the extremists engage me in screwball conversations at work I just furrow my brow and say things like "that's very interesting" and "I really need to look into that." They walk away thinking they converted me to a Fox Noise acolyte and I can get on with my day. I'm pretty sure most of the people at my work vote. Only about three of them have come out and had ridiculous off the wall political conversations with me that made zero factual sense. Two of the conversations were particularly disappointing. One person I like a lot. I really enjoy spending time with them. Another one I have the utmost respect for as far as work. They are awesome. They probably all think I agree with them since I get along with them. Anyway it keeps the peace and lets me be around people I can learn a lot from. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Keystone Phil on October 05, 2012, 12:52:04 PM It gets worse - Pawlucy's parents went to the school today for a meeting. They were met with obscenities being shouted by the students from school windows - http://mobile.philly.com/news/?wss=/philly/news&id=172845481 (http://mobile.philly.com/news/?wss=/philly/news&id=172845481)
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: J. J. on October 05, 2012, 01:22:26 PM Once again you know exactly what I mean but have decided to give us your usual retort. In a classroom you can factually describe the position of Speaker of the House. You can show where the duties and requirements for the office are laid out in the Constitution. You can list several recent speakers such as Boehner, Pelosi, and Gingrich. You can list their legislative accomplishments. This is all factual. It is not anyone's opinion. And as I said when the children start getting older and are in their late teens you can even present quotes from Op Eds, books, radio shows, and television shows. Again those are other people's opinions. You can teach the entire class and the students would have no clue who you voted for. You can present the information in a neutral way and then moderate. You don't have to go in and start spouting your partisan opinion. I would never repeat most of what I type on here in front of children. They deserve to have a chance to live a care free childhood and concentrate on gathering the building blocks they will use once they have more life experience. And you can encourage people to take part in the democratic process. The teacher might present material in a neutral manner, but the expression of the student need not be neutral. The teacher "spouted" her "partisan opinion," needlessly. And yes, if this had been a student wearing an Obama tee shirt, I would have said the same thing. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: opebo on October 05, 2012, 01:30:55 PM Teacher had a point. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: minionofmidas on October 05, 2012, 01:53:21 PM This is why school uniforms are a good idea. It would happen with far more frequency during the political season if uniforms weren't mandatory. :P *and in regards to what's worn, most things are. And in regards to how teachers can comment on what's worn, freaking out like this is certainly not. I'm not suggesting that wearing political gear would become standard but there's definitely a greater chance of someone sporting campaign attire when "regular" clothes can be worn every day as opposed to the occasional dress down day. () and this one () regularly to school. That's a lot more objectionable (in a straightforward, mainstream media sense. In another sense, perhaps no) than a t shirt for a mainstream election candidate. No teacher has a right to get angry about it. Of course that was back in the nineties. There was a story recently about a female teacher here reacting somewhat similar, if not *quite* as badly, over a 14-year old girl's (apparently very, on that particular day) skimpy attire - and that brought memories back to what some of the girls in my class sometimes wore on summer days (and of a shocked exclamation by a student, though this must have been at age 16 or 17, directed at another student, "wait, are you actually sitting there topless?" She wasn't, but it was hard to tell from the back.) No one would have considered it appropriate for a teacher to get angry at that back in the 90s either. Teacher in this new case ended up paying a criminal fine, so all's well. -_- Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: bgwah on October 05, 2012, 01:57:00 PM My teachers are too aware of what my reaction would be to try that with me... Charming little fycker, aren't you? Well, I don't like to be immodest, but... When politics is discussed in my clique, it usually comes down to me saying something and everyone agreeing. I am a rather persuasive person in real life (I recall a rather heated argument about Libya with my English teacher, where I was actually against intervention and she was for it, where I managed to convince the entire class that Gaddafi was preferable to the rebels, and f**k the mainstream media). Hadn't really noticed you until now. Thanks for letting me know you're an immodest little twat, though. You remind me of my high school... it was full of sheltered, spoiled and rich Republican brats who thought they knew everything when in fact they knew nothing. Ignored. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: 後援会 on October 05, 2012, 02:03:40 PM ^ Ignore everyone I don't like! Everyone who opposes us is just part of an echo-chamber. Yaargggh!
God, some people are just such twats. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Oakvale on October 05, 2012, 02:38:01 PM ^ Ignore everyone I don't like! Everyone who opposes us is just part of an echo-chamber. Yaargggh! God, some people are just such twats. Please read Vosem's quote and see how insufferable it was before making judgements. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Badger on October 05, 2012, 02:41:46 PM Not cool, teach. NOT cool.
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: 後援会 on October 05, 2012, 02:43:05 PM ^ Ignore everyone I don't like! Everyone who opposes us is just part of an echo-chamber. Yaargggh! God, some people are just such twats. Please read Vosem's quote and see how insufferable it was before making judgements. To be quite fair, almost all of us are quite persuasive in real life. Because the vast majority of people have better things to do than research the minute details of political issues. If I had a car and it broke, I'm pretty sure anyone with any kind of background in mechanics would immediately become the most persuasive person on Earth. That being said, I found the reaction far far more insufferable than what prompted it. Snooty and still butthurt/resentful of silly high school things. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: minionofmidas on October 05, 2012, 02:44:41 PM I think "on ignore" should be the default setting on this forum. -_-
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: bgwah on October 05, 2012, 04:07:19 PM ^ Ignore everyone I don't like! Everyone who opposes us is just part of an echo-chamber. Yaargggh! God, some people are just such twats. Haha, cute. And where did I mention an echo chamber? Or that I ignore people I don't like? Oh, that's right... Can't win an argument? Then just make sh**t up! Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on October 05, 2012, 04:22:21 PM I think "on ignore" should be the default setting on this forum. -_- There's an idea. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: memphis on October 05, 2012, 04:32:19 PM Wonder if she scratched a backwards B on the child's cheek also.
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: © tweed on October 05, 2012, 04:40:58 PM can we get an answer on this?
does Keystone Phil support Tinker v DeMoines? Clarence Thomas doesn't. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Phony Moderate on October 05, 2012, 04:41:59 PM ^ Ignore everyone I don't like! Everyone who opposes us is just part of an echo-chamber. Yaargggh! God, some people are just such twats. Haha, cute. And where did I mention an echo chamber? Or that I ignore people I don't like? Oh, that's right... Can't win an argument? Then just make sh**t up! I'd be willing to bet that virtually no left-winger on here has Torie, Smid, Cathcon, RogueBeaver , Inks, dead0man or clarence on ignore. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Vosem on October 05, 2012, 05:57:45 PM High schoolers do not have strong opinions about economics or foreign policy (as opposed to social policy like abortion or gay marriage) and are therefore very willing to listen to someone they trust who does, like me. When politics is discussed in my clique, it usually comes down to me saying something and everyone agreeing. I am a rather persuasive person in real life (I recall a rather heated argument about Libya with my English teacher, where I was actually against intervention and she was for it, where I managed to convince the entire class that Gaddafi was preferable to the rebels, and f**k the mainstream media). So you think you convinced a bunch of disinterested adolescents. And a busy English teacher moved on from your protracted political speech. If spending the rest of the period (30 minutes) discussing it and then moving on the next day (although the subject did periodically recur), then she certainly did, and if I only imagined people in the class repeating my talking points, then it was just a figment of my imagination. You know Vosem sometimes when adults just keep quiet and let you finish saying what you are saying and then move on it is not because you convinced them. Sometimes that is the case, but it was clearly not the case this time. I generally don't initiate political conversations at work. And if someone else engages me I never tell them my true feelings until I've ascertained theirs and I have some level of comfort they aren't going to blab my opinion all over the place. Even then most of stuff I say on this forum stays in my head. Most of the time when the extremists engage me in screwball conversations at work I just furrow my brow and say things like "that's very interesting" and "I really need to look into that." They walk away thinking they converted me to a Fox Noise acolyte and I can get on with my day. I'm pretty sure most of the people at my work vote. Only about three of them have come out and had ridiculous off the wall political conversations with me that made zero factual sense. Two of the conversations were particularly disappointing. One person I like a lot. I really enjoy spending time with them. Another one I have the utmost respect for as far as work. They are awesome. They probably all think I agree with them since I get along with them. Anyway it keeps the peace and lets me be around people I can learn a lot from. OK... Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: rob in cal on October 05, 2012, 06:24:23 PM A side issue to this ridiculous teacher is that the teacher is sending out an incorrect political message. Perhaps if the girl wore a Virgil Goode t-shirt, or something from the League of the South, or "we should have picked our own cotton", the KKK comparison would hit closer to home. (I mention Goode just because his support for much lower immigration makes him the candidate that the Klan might very well support over the pro-mass immigration Romney).
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt Post by: Keystone Phil on October 05, 2012, 06:45:29 PM Wonder if she scratched a backwards B on the child's cheek also. Really mature. A girl was bullied by a teacher. Her teacher told other students and teachers to bully her. But let's dismiss it as a hoax because you don't want to admit classlessness on your side. Some of the responses here are predictable. They're a part of an act or general trolling. For anyone that doesn't fit in those two groups, let's imagine if a black student was told by a white teacher in...oh...Mississippi that the student was in a "Republican school" and that her Obama shirt. Imagine the national attention. Imagine the hysteria here. Thank you to the classy people here that called out this teacher for being a disgrace. This shouldn't be about one's political stance; it should be about defending a student against bullying and general ignorance. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt Post by: Keystone Phil on October 05, 2012, 06:47:09 PM can we get an answer on this? does Keystone Phil support Tinker v DeMoines? Clarence Thomas doesn't. Yes, absolutely you can get an answer: I'm not going to state my opinion as part of your diversion tactic. Hope that helped. :) Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: © tweed on October 05, 2012, 06:54:17 PM it isn't diversion at all, this is a textbook case re: the right of student speech/expression.
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: 後援会 on October 05, 2012, 06:55:59 PM it isn't diversion at all, this is a textbook case re: the right of student speech/expression. Even if the school had the right to prevent the expression of certain political opinions, there's a big difference between asking a student to go change their shirt and the bat-sh**t insane bullying this teacher pulled off. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: © tweed on October 05, 2012, 06:58:58 PM it isn't diversion at all, this is a textbook case re: the right of student speech/expression. Even if the school had the right to prevent the expression of certain political opinions, there's a big difference between asking a student to go change their shirt and the bat-sh**t insane bullying this teacher pulled off. the issue either is student speech or it isn't. if it is instead about how bad it is for teachers to "bully" students, then the underlying reason for the teacher doing so should be of no consequence. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Keystone Phil on October 05, 2012, 07:54:52 PM This isn't a matter of blocking freedom of expression; it's an issue regarding how the expression was dealt with by a superior. It was completely inappropriate. We're talking about a teacher bullying a student and wanting other students and teachers to join in. Inexcusable.
This is in the news and is an especially hot topic because it is a political shirt in question but this problem runs deeper than that. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: © tweed on October 05, 2012, 07:55:50 PM so then the thread is not about the expression but about the teacher-bullying. why is the Romney shirt mentioned in your thread title?
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Keystone Phil on October 05, 2012, 09:17:30 PM so then the thread is not about the expression but about the teacher-bullying. why is the Romney shirt mentioned in your thread title? Because it stemmed from a confrontation over a Romney shirt, Tweed. That's part of the story whether we like it or not. You're really exhausting when you're difficult. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Brittain33 on October 06, 2012, 11:59:28 AM Have any kids confirmed this kid's story yet? I wouldn't expect the teacher to be unbiased, but did anyone who isn't named Pawlucy witness the teacher "going into the hallway to get other teachers to bully her"?
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on October 06, 2012, 01:48:05 PM I know this is a story because it was a Romney shirt but please, for a moment, take politics out of this. We have a teacher here that asked students and fellow teachers to mock a student after already mocking the girl in class and intimidating her ("This is a Democratic school" Note the irony). Then, after being reprimanded, she blamed the girl by telling the class, "I'm not allowed to joke with you anymore." She then left the building. This is someone who was trusted with teaching and supervising children. Everyone should be enraged by this behavior. Quoted for truth. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Keystone Phil on October 06, 2012, 03:41:31 PM Have any kids confirmed this kid's story yet? I wouldn't expect the teacher to be unbiased, but did anyone who isn't named Pawlucy witness the teacher "going into the hallway to get other teachers to bully her"? Maybe we'll get a few of the kids that shouted obscenities at her parents to say this is just a vast right wing conspiracy conjured up by a high school girl and her parents. Let's remember: the teacher was reprimanded for her behavior, threw a hissy fit (again) directed at the girl and stormed out of the school. Whoever the member of the administration was that reprimanded the teacher had to have done so after the story was verified especially since this is a "Democratic school." Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Brittain33 on October 06, 2012, 06:36:51 PM All I asked was if anyone other than the kid and her parents witnessed this. Has anyone said so?
I'm not alleging a "vast right wing conspiracy", it's just common sense. Maybe it happened the way this girl said, maybe it didn't. You have your reasons for wanting to take it at face value, and I'm sure I have my reasons for wanting verification by someone who isn't her. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Keystone Phil on October 07, 2012, 08:41:34 AM And a reprimanding by the administration isn't enough verification? The teacher not denying the comments isn't verification?
I don't "want" to take this at face value; I'm just recognizing that this obviously happened. If it didn't, where are the students saying it's a hoax (when they aren't shouting obscenities out of school windows)? Or maybe there is just a cover up by the right wing Republican hack Philadelphia press. "Maybe this happened, maybe it didn't" is sadly just a stalling tactic by those that enjoy seeing this and other boards filled with stories that make Romney supporters/Republicans look like savages, morons, etc. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: angus on October 07, 2012, 12:52:40 PM http://mobile.philly.com/news/?wss=/philly/education&id=172580131 (http://mobile.philly.com/news/?wss=/philly/education&id=172580131) weird. I admit that I thought it was a hoax, but I searched and it's real. The teacher has publicly apologized to the student's family by now, and the school district has issued a statement of regret for the impropriety of the teacher's behavior. She has also been reprimanded and transferred to another classroom My guess is that the school board does not want a fight with the teacher's union, so it probably won't attempt to terminate her. They probably hope this goes away quietly now that the teacher has been transferred to another class. Clearly this is the sort of bullying that we read about all the time and it often gets out of hand (gay students end up committing suicide, etc.) Teachers do set poor examples, and this wouldn't be the first time it has happened. I was reading an interview with Alfons Heck, a former Hitlerjungend member, in the public library yesterday. He told about how his teachers were always encouraging the students to take it upon themselves help the society cleanse itself of cripples, commies, Jews, and the like. Closer to home, just last year an elementary school teacher in LA blindfolded 3rd graders and fed them his semen on crackers, yet he still draws an LAUSD paycheck while out on $23 million bail for dozens of felony child molestation charges. In a world where the grown-ups are acting like Maurice in Lord of the Flies, can we really blame our children for being bullies themselves? Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: 後援会 on October 07, 2012, 02:07:01 PM Closer to home, just last year an elementary school teacher in LA blindfolded 3rd graders and fed them his semen on crackers, yet he still draws an LAUSD paycheck while out on $23 million bail for dozens of felony child molestation charges. lol, teacher's unions. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: © tweed on October 09, 2012, 02:19:13 PM Closer to home, just last year an elementary school teacher in LA blindfolded 3rd graders and fed them his semen on crackers, yet he still draws an LAUSD paycheck while out on $23 million bail for dozens of felony child molestation charges. lol, teacher's unions. $2.3 million. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: opebo on October 09, 2012, 02:48:02 PM Closer to home, just last year an elementary school teacher in LA blindfolded 3rd graders and fed them his semen on crackers, yet he still draws an LAUSD paycheck while out on $23 million bail for dozens of felony child molestation charges. lol, Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Oldiesfreak1854 on October 09, 2012, 04:45:55 PM http://mobile.philly.com/news/?wss=/philly/education&id=172580131 (http://mobile.philly.com/news/?wss=/philly/education&id=172580131) The teacher publicly berated her and asked other teachers and students to bully her. She also stated that the student was at a "Democratic school" and that wearing a Romney shirt would be like a black teacher wearing a KKK shirt. The teacher went on to say that she was "just joking"...then stormed out of the school. If this doesn't make you sick... Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Badger on October 09, 2012, 07:33:19 PM This isn't a matter of blocking freedom of expression; it's an issue regarding how the expression was dealt with by a superior. It was completely inappropriate. We're talking about a teacher bullying a student and wanting other students and teachers to join in. Inexcusable. This is in the news and is an especially hot topic because it is a political shirt in question but this problem runs deeper than that. Actually, it's both. And on each account the teacher acted totally $hi#y. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: DC Al Fine on October 13, 2012, 09:47:29 AM Reason to homeschool #5478: A not insignificant proportion of teachers bully their students.
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Brittain33 on October 13, 2012, 11:03:40 AM http://mobile.philly.com/news/?wss=/philly/education&id=172580131 (http://mobile.philly.com/news/?wss=/philly/education&id=172580131) The teacher publicly berated her and asked other teachers and students to bully her. She also stated that the student was at a "Democratic school" and that wearing a Romney shirt would be like a black teacher wearing a KKK shirt. The teacher went on to say that she was "just joking"...then stormed out of the school. If this doesn't make you sick... Since that was true 140 years ago, it's not really relevant to today. The revived KKK in the north and midwest in the 1920s was a staunch ally and pillar of the Republican Party. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Keystone Phil on October 13, 2012, 12:14:06 PM Things that happened 140 years ago is irrelevant but something about 90 years ago? Fair game, baby.
For the record, I find reference to both KKK examples above to be silly. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Brittain33 on October 13, 2012, 02:51:36 PM Things that happened 140 years ago is irrelevant but something about 90 years ago? Fair game, baby. For the record, I find reference to both KKK examples above to be silly. Phil, you're smarter than this. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Oldiesfreak1854 on October 13, 2012, 06:02:38 PM http://mobile.philly.com/news/?wss=/philly/education&id=172580131 (http://mobile.philly.com/news/?wss=/philly/education&id=172580131) The teacher publicly berated her and asked other teachers and students to bully her. She also stated that the student was at a "Democratic school" and that wearing a Romney shirt would be like a black teacher wearing a KKK shirt. The teacher went on to say that she was "just joking"...then stormed out of the school. If this doesn't make you sick... Since that was true 140 years ago, it's not really relevant to today. The revived KKK in the north and midwest in the 1920s was a staunch ally and pillar of the Republican Party. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Donerail on October 13, 2012, 08:08:37 PM http://mobile.philly.com/news/?wss=/philly/education&id=172580131 (http://mobile.philly.com/news/?wss=/philly/education&id=172580131) The teacher publicly berated her and asked other teachers and students to bully her. She also stated that the student was at a "Democratic school" and that wearing a Romney shirt would be like a black teacher wearing a KKK shirt. The teacher went on to say that she was "just joking"...then stormed out of the school. If this doesn't make you sick... Since that was true 140 years ago, it's not really relevant to today. The revived KKK in the north and midwest in the 1920s was a staunch ally and pillar of the Republican Party. You make me sad for the state of our education system. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Paul Kemp on October 14, 2012, 11:50:49 AM There are extreme idiots on both sides. This isn't news.
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: © tweed on October 14, 2012, 11:52:03 AM There are extreme idiots on both sides. This isn't news. there are more than two sides my man! Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Vosem on October 14, 2012, 11:56:19 AM There are extreme idiots on both sides. This isn't news. there are more than two sides my man! This is America. There are two (2) sides. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Paul Kemp on October 14, 2012, 12:05:39 PM There are extreme idiots on both sides. This isn't news. there are more than two sides my man! Sorry, all sides*. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on October 14, 2012, 12:08:51 PM This is seriously one of the worst threads ever
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Paul Kemp on October 14, 2012, 12:10:37 PM This is seriously one of the worst threads ever Ever read anything from MyPalFish? Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on October 14, 2012, 12:13:22 PM This is seriously one of the worst threads ever Ever read anything from MyPalFish? No but I'm assuming I don't want to Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: fezzyfestoon on October 14, 2012, 06:04:26 PM God, are we pussies. And what obnoxious parents to obviously have put their child in this position.
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Spanish Moss on October 17, 2012, 04:29:53 PM would the outcry be as vociferous in the case of a teacher who demanded a student recite the Pledge of Allegiance? Which they do all the time, which is so overtly nationalistic it's creepy. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Vosem on October 17, 2012, 04:32:24 PM I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands; one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice. Said that every school day since August of 2002. Except when I have a doctor's appointment or some s**t and come in late.
Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: Spanish Moss on October 17, 2012, 04:38:16 PM I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands; one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice. Said that every school day since August of 2002. Except when I have a doctor's appointment or some s**t and come in late. I sat for it. And, referring to a Supreme Court Case, got my stuffy, right wing principal to send a note to all homeroom teachers that it is unconstitutional for them to force kids to stand. My only allegiance is to peace and justice. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: courts on October 17, 2012, 05:23:55 PM I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands; one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice. Said that every school day since August of 2002. Except when I have a doctor's appointment or some s**t and come in late. I sat for it. And, referring to a Supreme Court Case, got my stuffy, right wing principal to send a note to all homeroom teachers that it is unconstitutional for them to force kids to stand. My only allegiance is to peace and justice. to play devil's advocate here, what makes forced participation in the pledge different from something like taxation or anything else people justify as part of the 'social contract'? at least with the pledge you're not actually doing anything substantive. i didn't actually help kill any iraqis when i saluted the flag in high school. or subsidize goldman sachs or halliburton. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: © tweed on October 17, 2012, 09:59:23 PM I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands; one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice. Said that every school day since August of 2002. Except when I have a doctor's appointment or some s**t and come in late. I sat for it. And, referring to a Supreme Court Case, got my stuffy, right wing principal to send a note to all homeroom teachers that it is unconstitutional for them to force kids to stand. My only allegiance is to peace and justice. to play devil's advocate here, what makes forced participation in the pledge different from something like taxation or anything else people justify as part of the 'social contract'? at least with the pledge you're not actually doing anything substantive. i didn't actually help kill any iraqis when i saluted the flag in high school. or subsidize goldman sachs or halliburton. it's not a very important matter in-itself, but in the US we have these trump cards which proscribe certain conduct by the state, good, bad, or meaningless. and recitation of the Pledge quite clearly falls within the purview of one of the trump cards. Title: Re: Philly teacher to student: Romney shirt must come off; it's like a KKK shirt. Post by: J. J. on October 18, 2012, 10:01:24 AM I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands; one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice. Said that every school day since August of 2002. Except when I have a doctor's appointment or some s**t and come in late. "...for all." It is not required. You may decline to participate, as many Jehovah's Witnesses do. |