Talk Elections

1.  Sen. Robert C. Byrd:   "(I would never fight)...with a Negro by my side. Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."

2.  Sen. Robert C. Byrd:   ""I am a former kleagle of the Ku Klux Klan in Raleigh County and the adjoining counties of the state .... The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia .... It is necessary that the order be promoted immediately and in every state of the Union. Will you please inform me as to the possibilities of rebuilding the Klan in the Realm of W. Va .... I hope that you will find it convenient to answer my letter in regards to future possibilities." 

3.  Sen. Robert C. Byrd:   "There are white ns. I've seen a lot of white ns in my time. I'm going to use that word. We just need to work together to make our country a better country, and I'd just as soon quit talking about it so much..."

#1 is by far the best one :D

I believe Number 3 is from 2003, for which Byrd apologized.  When were the other two quotes said?

They weren't said. These were made up by some so-called think tank.

2001, actually.

#2 is from 1946.

I think #1 is from 1946 or 1947 when Truman was preparing to integrate the armies.

lol@bandit

It wasn't Byrd who said it though. It was some other guy.

yes they were, LOL

As much as you Republicans are complaining about Byrd, how come you don't complain about Trent "Sheets" Lott, who never did renounce his own racism?

maybe because no one really cares what he says about Strom Thurmond. Personally, I think he was right on target with his statements.

I'm not a Republican.

They don't call him Trent "Sheets" Lott for nothing.

That's just a fabrication made up by the left wing media in some, so called, think tank.

Are you serious?!

are you?

Number 3!!! LMAO!! Byrd is hilarious.

I don't know why everyone hates Bryd. Sure, he's made some racist comments. So what? He's apologized.

I find Byrd to be absolutely hilarious. Ever watch him make a speech in congress? His mumbling and drooling is quite entertaining.

I like him, but then again Ive always been a sucker for the honest ones.



edit:  I dont mean I support his racist remarks, but I do support the fact that he doesnt watter down or sugar coat his comments.

Harsh, but true. The Almanac of American Politics has a high opinion of him- but then, that book is 90 percent bullsh**t.

I personally like the man, BTW.

I agree with him about the white ns.

I'm tired of seeing stupid suburban white teenagers stealing black culture and making it their own -- I'm not sure if thats what he was referring to (who the hell knows what he was talking about) but oh well.

Where I live, we call them "whiggers". :D

So you think the country would be better if Thurmond won his Presidential bid in 1948 & kept segregation going??

Yes, segregation came to an immediate end with Trumans re-election. ok, sure.

It came with an end to a concept, known as "States Rights".

No, States Rights is granted in the 10th Amendment. Glad to see you don't believe in the constitution you commie.

Well, I lost  faith in the 10th ammendment, when states like yours used to segregate people.

When you decide to actually pick up a history book you will find out that states outside the south actually did have segregation as well.

Did I say it did???  Thurmond ran on the SOLE PLATFORM of preserving sgregation,   That is what Lott praised, Thurmond's views on segregation.

What's wrong w/acknowledging the fact that the states are supposed to actually have power as intended by the founders?

California wasn't one of them.

Thats wrong of course. IF you actually listened to what he was talking about you would know he was referring to Stroms stance on national defense. Which for one, I strongly agree with.

Sorry to burst your bubble but IIRC California did have regulations on schooling in regards to race.

Then why didn't he bring up his Senate record??  Why did he refer to his Presidential bid in which the only platform Thurmond ran under was segregation??? 

The Founding Fathers are, wait for it, DEAD. They have been for quite a few years, two hundred at least. They had some great vision and impetus for their time; however, they presided over the formation of what was originally a stopgap Constitution (it was, by the way) for a globally near-irrelevant coastal agrarian nation of four million people. In addition, they held slaves, relegated their wives to a second-class status, and had no problem devising methods by which to help ensure that only the wealthiest classes had true power.

Times have changed in the intervening 230 years. If you don't think things can change in 230 years, then I'm afraid we can't yet forgive Germany for murdering six million Jews (or, rather, we can't even acknowledge that Otto von Bismarck united the German nation in the first place, or that France and England aren't monarchies anymore, or that Japan is no longer an isolationsit country, or that this messageboard even exists).

The Democrats were still pandering to segregationists in 48. But national defense was a hot topic at that period in time and some people in the Democratic party felt that Truman was not tough enough on national defense. And yes, this was still a point in history when the Democrats actually cared about defending America, before the hippie America haters took over.

& Thurmond didn't run on National Defese he ran on SEGREGATION

That was one aspect of his campaign. But not his sole platform.

It was BY FAR the biggest aspect of his campaign

Poor Robert Byrd; he's at fault for another great Strom Thurmond debate ...

i take it the only reason why Robert Byrd is being bashed here is that he is one of the few former segregationists who ain't dead yet (never mind the fact that he has since recanted).  why isn't anyone taking down the quotes of Strom Thurmond, or Jesse Helms here so we could bash them? what about George C. Wallace?  or David Duke? 

great, so now you're bashing senior citizens -he is 87 years old, give him a break.  he has a long record of public service which has consumed half of his entire life.  i'd like to see you doing any better when you reach his age.  tell me, do you make fun of your grandparents? 

so i take it you're disapproving of jazz and rock n' roll, for the white teenagers of that period were as 'white n' in their day as many are today.  what do you want here?  racial as well as cultural separation? 

You're dead wrong here. "Whiggers", as I shall henceforth refer to them as, are typically uneducated white trash, frequently high school dropouts, and want to be thugs. If that's the kind of "culture" you approve of, I'd hate to see what you don't like!

Jesse Helms was a segregationist?  I knew he was a fierce tobacco-obsessed conservative, but I know nothing of his racist past.  Care to enlighten me?

I think there's more than enough about Strom Thurmond being said; Wallace apologized and later became a civil rights advocate; David Duke... what else can be said?  He's a white supremacist wacko nutjob.

whom are you referring to here?  Eminem?  i had in mind cultural artists.   

I'm talking about actual whiggers. I want to know what you mean by "cultural artists".

didn't i just give you an example?  Eminem is one of the best examples of this current generation to bridge the divide between white and black by adopting rap and hip-hop and making it his own.  Elvis Presley was one of the first rock n' roll artists -and rock n' roll has its origins with black gospel music.  it was frowned upon by the censors of that time because it was seen as sexually promiscuous (you ever seen Presley dance?), and sexual promiscuity was commonly associated with black people at that time period, while whites were supposed to be a step above them. 

i don't see what the big deal is with rebellious white teenagers adopting black cultural icons, whether in music or in fashion -so what the hell is your problem?   

as a radio personality on WRAL and as Senator, he made a name for himself exploiting the fears of the white working class in North Carolina by directing their resentments towards blacks -you are aware of his affirmative action ads that sealed his victory over all his opponents, aren't you? i am surprised this isn't common knowledge -Jesse Helms was your quintessential southern Dixiecrat-turned-Republican who stoked racial fears to enable him to win race after race as Senator since he first won the seat in 1972.  when that no longer became fashionable, he turned his attention against gays and lesbians.  he was notorious for it -so much so that each race he won was by narrow margins. 


so since we aren't bashing either Thurmond or Wallace for being segregationists in their younger years, why are we still bashing Byrd? 

No.  They don't call him that at all.

I'm not aware of Lott being called "Sheets" either; I've heard nothing of any supposed history with a Klan group.  I do know however that he supported segregation on his college campus in Mississippi and that he said some racist remarks as a college student.  Still unsure how that equates to "Sheets" :-p

Surely we can all agree that both Byrd and Lott are racists.  They're southern white males, so it should come as no surprise.  However, Byrd is a former extremist who has moderated his views, and does provide a reliable Democratic vote in the Senate, which obviously helps to fight racism in America.

People like Lott, and nearly all of the current Republican Senators and Congressmen out of the south are still running on race, as racists.  It may be amusing to dig up quotes from old Byrd from 1946, but the real problem is the South is still racist to this day.

Happily there are absolutely no racist Libertarians in congress. :)

We agree!

Well, I quite like Byrd. He seems to be a right character and he's right to defend the filibuster. Bush ought to stop nominating extreme wing nuts for the judiciary. Personally, I think the judiciary ought not to be ideological of any given persuation

Lets hope it's not too long before Byrd's President Pro Tempore

Dave

what's a kleagle?

I'm leaning toward #3

I never knew whigger had an h in it, but it makes sense.


very tacky thread, by the way.  :)

3 is the least racist, but it made me laugh the most.

Eminmem is foul and a definately a whigger as some have described it here. To call him an artist is an insult to artists around the world.

Do you like Rap when performed by actual Blacks, Zebu?

I personally dont care as I don't listen to it. I personally don't like it but hey, you can listen to whatever nonsense you want.

I'm not a big fan, though I do enjoy a small percentage.  I was just curious if you were a rap fan who preferred black artists, or if you just didn't like Emminem.  I have to admit a few of his more comical songs are fun.

Oh, I think some of his songs are definately funny. But I rank him more with the likes of Weird Al Yankovic then say, Hank Williams or   Louis Armstrong.

Whiggers are pure scum.  They're usually poor, white trash, who don't keep themsleves clean, wear pants past their ass, curse like sailors, act like rude drunks, and bounce around to another life failure sscreaming about his weed, booze, and whores.

Classism.

Truth

What's all this about Louis Armstrong??!

and what the hell is a kleagle?

I hope it's not a nasty word for Louis Armstrong.  I named my son after Louis Armstrong I'll have you know.  (Actually, I named him after the protagonist in "Interview with a Vampire" but I'm a big fan of Louis Armstrong, and Louis Jordan.  And, on some days, Louis de Broglie.)  I used to play a mean trumpet.  At one time.  Now I can't even play the skin-flute.

Anyway, I don't see the need to lump Louis in with Weird Al.  (Gore or Yankovich!)

This from a black persons point of view on the wigger issue:

I know many white people who have tried to adopt the hip-hop culture and live like thugs and gangstas. I also know people who have adopted the hip-hop culture, but a very different segment of it. Some wiggers are only acting like pimps and gangstas because gangsta rap tends to promote sex and violence and drug dealing, something these kids do a lot of. They are the rebellious high school dropouts who will live a life of poverty and stupidity. Then there are the other kind, I wouldn't really call them wiggers as they are the kind who instead of trending towards gangsta rap like more of the R&B and gospel styles. Most of their friends are black because they just tend to get along with black people better and are often raised going to black churches, or because they live in a mostly black neighboorhood. These are the kids who will most likely stay in school and go on to live a succesful career and are also much harder to sterotype and pinpoint as you can tell one from another.

So basically, there are two major types of wiggers, one of which is the kind all are sterotyped to be and the other, people who like black music and have mostly black friends, but don't try to be wannabe gangstas and pimps like 50 Cent.

In australia, we call them "Mo-fauxs", as in fake mother-ers, and most of the ones who are really hardcore into it are middle class rebellious nitwits. Sure, lots of the poorer kids get into the music and stuff, but they don't spend $1000 to look like someone who earns $50 a week.

Apparently there's an H in whigger.  Hey, I didn't know either.  We can learn quite a bit on this forum.

Bob, thanks, I figured that much out.